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Article contains Misleading Information: Article States that fully automatic weapons (machine Guns) are allowed in Nevada and compares them to have the same permissibility as magazines or semi-automatic weapons. Fully automatic weapons are restricted at the federal level via the National Firearms Act (1934) & The Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986) and are not legal for any private citizen to own unless they hold the correct Federal Firearms Licence. This is partially referenced in the cited articles but is not included in the text. The text also implies that registration of automatic weapons is not required. Cited articles are full of inaccuracies and are only partially referenced in the text to suit a narrative.
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It is not immediately evident what gun controls were in place for patrons of the Mandalay Bay resort. It is also not immediately evident whether the Route 91 Harvest country music festival had restrictions on guns for attendees, or whether metal detectors were in place for attendees.
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The state of Nevada, where the shooting occurred, has lenient gun control laws. [1] [2] [3] Assault weapons (including automatic or semi-automatic firearms) and large-capacity ammunition magazines are allowed. [1] [4] Registration as a gun owner is not needed, though background checks are performed when guns are purchased and private sales are permitted. [1]
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The state of Nevada, where the shooting occurred, has lenient gun control laws. [1] [5] [6] Assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazines are allowed. [1] [7] Registration as a gun owner is not needed, though background checks are performed when guns are purchased and private sales are permitted. [1] Fusion2186 ( talk) 14:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Not done Currently there is no mention of automatic weapons, or of gun laws, in the article. And there won't be until it is sorted out. The best source I found said that some of the rifles may have been modified to full automatic mode, but that possibility awaits evaluation by ATF. -- MelanieN ( talk) 23:42, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please make it so that the location doesn't disappear from the street-map when it is opened to a readable size? Davidships ( talk) 23:45, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Why not here? Rhadow ( talk) 22:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Re this edit: I watched them and they are not very good, and three is too many anyway. They should be covered under the template * Media related to Las Vegas Strip shooting at Wikimedia Commons-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 00:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Where did he mostly live prior to the incident? I think they showed his house ..... but he wasn't there most of the time. Where was he spending most of his time in the months prior to the incident? When did he buy most of those guns? Did he lose a lot of money in the days prior? Did he have cancer or some kind of other disease? Meth or crack? Autopsy needed. 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 21:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
They said he managed real estate. Good chance he had a secret apartment.
Paddock and Danley, who was his girlfriend, reportedly lived for several years in a retirment community in Reno, Nev., The Washington Post reported, before moving to another home in Mesquite, Nev. Some of their neighbors described Paddock as "extremely standoffish" and "aggressively unfriendly," the report said. Other neighbors said they noticed that the couple disappeared for long stretches of time, but Danley had reporedly explained that Paddock was a professional gambler, The Washington Post reported. Was he traveling prior to the shooting? Did hedgiest lose a lot of money gambling? 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 23:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
Clark County declared a state of emergency. Is this worth nothing in aftermath? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Done added with above reference. Anyone know how common it is to do that? Issue a state of emergency following something like this? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A state of emergency is a situation in which a government is empowered to perform actions that it would normally not be allowed to.Obviously there a massive number of people traumatized by this event. But, what extra powers does the government need since the alleged perp is dead? Do we suspend habeas corpus? What does this mean? Objective3000 ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Twenty firearms were found in Paddock's hotel room; some were fully-automatic weapons.
Police found at least 19 weapons, including rifles and handguns, inside the hotel room that Paddock had rented since September 28.
Any reason these are different? (not that they can't both be accurate) Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:38, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The New York Times piece came out at 6:12 pm Eastern time. (ref name = "nyt171002") Rhadow ( talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Next discussion: fully automatic weapons are not illegal in the U.S., but they are expensive and rare. There are ways to alter weapons that are not technically machine guns, but achieve the same effect. Rhadow ( talk) 22:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A gun modified with Slide Fire “fires as a machine gun would...but, he adds, that doesn’t make it a machine gun.Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 23:05, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Experts who have listened to recordings of the long bursts of gunfire that erupted inside the Mandalay Bay told NBC News there is a strong possibility that the suspect used some sort of modification.source. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 23:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
When did he buys most of these weapons? 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 22:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
Hello Drewmutt -- If it turns out to be relevant, the BATFE office that approved the slide fire mod will be embarrassed, but at the top, there will be no comment. It's too early to speculate. Rhadow ( talk)
Isn't that how we normally name these things? Plus these things are pretty common. Date will help people find the article. Maybe rename the article 2017 Las Vegas shooting . Casprings ( talk) 23:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
There were already attempts for a standalone article at Stephen Paddock, Stephen Craig Paddock and Stephan Paddock, all turned into RD for now. In similar cases like Omar Mateen the community later decided to split the lengthy bio from the article so I suggest we slowly develop Draft:Stephen Paddock with the growing amount of reported relevant information, so we better see when it's worth an article on its own. @ Slazenger, Illegitimate Barrister, and Zirnevis: -- 85.179.83.215 ( talk) 15:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This can be migrated: https://twitter.com/FBILasVegas/status/914889765459251200 Victor Grigas ( talk) 00:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
This is the thinking here. I'd argue merely mentioning ISIS' feelings on the matter isn't enough to make this sufficiently "related" to it. If the group had actually done something (planned, funded, executed), I could see how this might be "about" it. But a statement in aftermath? I don't know what "broadly construed" means here. Is this too broad? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
ISIS plays a bigger part in this story than this shooting plays in ISIS'Sorry, what role does ISIS play? Do they play a role in the hurricanes? What is the connection that you see? Objective3000 ( talk) 00:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
The lede talks about it being the deadliest incident in modern US history. Doesn't this imply that somewhere in the past there was a worse one? Unless there's sources for that, I would suggest removing the "modern". 101.98.13.161 ( talk) 22:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
EMTs did not enter concert venue until police said all clear. Concertgoers hauled injured out themselves to a staging area well clear of venue. Rhadow ( talk) 23:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
First shots at 10:08 pm. LVPD says "shooter down" at 11:58 pm. How long did it take in Dallas? Rhadow ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
"with at least one off-duty police officer among the dead."
- there's no evidence that the officer was specifically targeted. Why is this significant, and not the number of, say, teachers or librarians?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 16:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps he was off-duty but armed, and he responded in some capacity? If so, then this would be relevant. 216.119.215.193 ( talk) 17:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This piece of information is completely irrelevant without some context indicating that it is. Please remove 192.91.171.36 ( talk) 19:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It is common, in the early days of a breaking news story, for there to be move warring from one title to another. That was happening here. I have now installed move protection to prevent any further warring. The version I protected actually happens to be the version that seemed to be the most stable, although it may not be the final title chosen. I protected it for a week, at the end of which time the Reliable Sources have usually settled on what they are calling it. A few days before that we can have an RfC to choose the actual title for the article - based on WP policy, comparison with other similar articles, Reliable Source usage, and whatever else people choose to rely on. -- MelanieN ( talk) 04:20, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
In the "Shooting" section, it says that "23 firearms were found". Two sections down, under "Perpetrator", it says that "police found 16 rifles and one handgun". I recognize that this is not necessarily a contradiction, but it does require examination and possibly explanation by persons more familiar with firearms than myself. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Definitely time for a section as it’s now a big deal with a lot of criticism of Facebook and Google. Doug Weller talk 05:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Benjamin_Hoskins_Paddock is not the father ..... 207.229.180.183 ( talk) 05:19, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we add an infobox to the "Perpetrator" section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm frankly quite surprised that my addition was reverted by so many folks, so I'm bringing it here. I tried to add the unexpected reaction of a band member who performed at Route 91 Harvest that day from the Josh Abbott Band, just before the shooting. [2] (In general, I concur with the desire to cut down on "Reactions" sections of articles. I really do.) But a country music personality (on stage that same day) who comes out publicly and forcefully and reverses his stance on gun control is a very significant deal. I gave the particulars, three reliable sources and the context from The Washington Post that this is a large deviation from the norm and is a big cultural shift: "Speaking up about any remotely political issue is rare in country music, particularly about gun culture, given the genre’s close ties with the National Rifle Association."
Again, I know well the problems with runaway "Reactions" sections and how they can get politicized. But what are we here for as an encyclopedia if we don't point out major, significant viewpoints directly as a result of the topic of the article? -- Fuzheado | Talk 01:00, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know how to fix the map, but the caption on the location map says it's a map of Downtown Las Vegas, but the area pictured (and where the shooting occurred) was the south end of the Strip. Downtown is several miles north and isn't even on that map.
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In "Shooting" section, the number of guns is mentioned. But no mention of the hotel room windows being smashed to allow the shooting. NBC news citation
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the article should be renamed to "Mandalay Bay Massacre", or "Mandalay Bay Shooting"? Several major news agencies have already begun calling the incident the Mandalay Bay Massacre (see: https://worldusheadlines.com/tag/mandalay-bay-massacre/), as well as the Mandalay Bay Shooting (see: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-active-shooter-harvest-country-music-festival). I think naming the article “2017 Las Vegas Strip Shooting” is too generic, because there have already been numerous shootings in Las Vegas in 2017, and it's too easily confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsw531 ( talk • contribs) 04:38, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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The article should be renamed to Mandalay Bay Massacre, because of two reasons:
1. Major news agencies have already begun calling the incident the Mandalay Bay Massacre. (see: https://worldusheadlines.com/tag/mandalay-bay-massacre/) 2. Calling the incident the “Las Vegas Shooting” is too generic, because there have already been numerous shootings in Las Vegas. Bsw531 ( talk) 04:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Someone has moved this page back to 2017 Las Vegas Strip shooting which is inappropriate:
We should move it to the most commonly recognized title. -- Fuzheado | Talk 12:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Wait for the dust to settle.Exactly this. When one of these things happen it's basically guaranteed to get a half dozen threads on requested moves within about the first 72 hours. Usually within a few weeks, there's enough actual information about the event to decide on a name, and all previous discussion end up being a complete waste of time. GMG talk 12:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I see that "2017" has been removed from the title. That is probably appropriate, given that other one-of-a-kind shootings like Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and Virginia Tech shooting do not include the year. -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Press is calling it Mandalay Bay Shooting. Give it a couple of days. Rhadow ( talk) 22:55, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Article contains Misleading Information: Article States that fully automatic weapons (machine Guns) are allowed in Nevada and compares them to have the same permissibility as magazines or semi-automatic weapons. Fully automatic weapons are restricted at the federal level via the National Firearms Act (1934) & The Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986) and are not legal for any private citizen to own unless they hold the correct Federal Firearms Licence. This is partially referenced in the cited articles but is not included in the text. The text also implies that registration of automatic weapons is not required. Cited articles are full of inaccuracies and are only partially referenced in the text to suit a narrative.
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm Cite error: The <ref>
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Fusion2186 (
talk) 15:55, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It is not immediately evident what gun controls were in place for patrons of the Mandalay Bay resort. It is also not immediately evident whether the Route 91 Harvest country music festival had restrictions on guns for attendees, or whether metal detectors were in place for attendees.
Current text:
The state of Nevada, where the shooting occurred, has lenient gun control laws. [1] [2] [3] Assault weapons (including automatic or semi-automatic firearms) and large-capacity ammunition magazines are allowed. [1] [4] Registration as a gun owner is not needed, though background checks are performed when guns are purchased and private sales are permitted. [1]
Proposed changes:
The state of Nevada, where the shooting occurred, has lenient gun control laws. [1] [5] [6] Assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazines are allowed. [1] [7] Registration as a gun owner is not needed, though background checks are performed when guns are purchased and private sales are permitted. [1] Fusion2186 ( talk) 14:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Not done Currently there is no mention of automatic weapons, or of gun laws, in the article. And there won't be until it is sorted out. The best source I found said that some of the rifles may have been modified to full automatic mode, but that possibility awaits evaluation by ATF. -- MelanieN ( talk) 23:42, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please make it so that the location doesn't disappear from the street-map when it is opened to a readable size? Davidships ( talk) 23:45, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Why not here? Rhadow ( talk) 22:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Re this edit: I watched them and they are not very good, and three is too many anyway. They should be covered under the template * Media related to Las Vegas Strip shooting at Wikimedia Commons-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 00:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Where did he mostly live prior to the incident? I think they showed his house ..... but he wasn't there most of the time. Where was he spending most of his time in the months prior to the incident? When did he buy most of those guns? Did he lose a lot of money in the days prior? Did he have cancer or some kind of other disease? Meth or crack? Autopsy needed. 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 21:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
They said he managed real estate. Good chance he had a secret apartment.
Paddock and Danley, who was his girlfriend, reportedly lived for several years in a retirment community in Reno, Nev., The Washington Post reported, before moving to another home in Mesquite, Nev. Some of their neighbors described Paddock as "extremely standoffish" and "aggressively unfriendly," the report said. Other neighbors said they noticed that the couple disappeared for long stretches of time, but Danley had reporedly explained that Paddock was a professional gambler, The Washington Post reported. Was he traveling prior to the shooting? Did hedgiest lose a lot of money gambling? 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 23:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
Clark County declared a state of emergency. Is this worth nothing in aftermath? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Done added with above reference. Anyone know how common it is to do that? Issue a state of emergency following something like this? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A state of emergency is a situation in which a government is empowered to perform actions that it would normally not be allowed to.Obviously there a massive number of people traumatized by this event. But, what extra powers does the government need since the alleged perp is dead? Do we suspend habeas corpus? What does this mean? Objective3000 ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Twenty firearms were found in Paddock's hotel room; some were fully-automatic weapons.
Police found at least 19 weapons, including rifles and handguns, inside the hotel room that Paddock had rented since September 28.
Any reason these are different? (not that they can't both be accurate) Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:38, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The New York Times piece came out at 6:12 pm Eastern time. (ref name = "nyt171002") Rhadow ( talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Next discussion: fully automatic weapons are not illegal in the U.S., but they are expensive and rare. There are ways to alter weapons that are not technically machine guns, but achieve the same effect. Rhadow ( talk) 22:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A gun modified with Slide Fire “fires as a machine gun would...but, he adds, that doesn’t make it a machine gun.Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 23:05, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Experts who have listened to recordings of the long bursts of gunfire that erupted inside the Mandalay Bay told NBC News there is a strong possibility that the suspect used some sort of modification.source. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 23:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
When did he buys most of these weapons? 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 22:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)BG
Hello Drewmutt -- If it turns out to be relevant, the BATFE office that approved the slide fire mod will be embarrassed, but at the top, there will be no comment. It's too early to speculate. Rhadow ( talk)
Isn't that how we normally name these things? Plus these things are pretty common. Date will help people find the article. Maybe rename the article 2017 Las Vegas shooting . Casprings ( talk) 23:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
There were already attempts for a standalone article at Stephen Paddock, Stephen Craig Paddock and Stephan Paddock, all turned into RD for now. In similar cases like Omar Mateen the community later decided to split the lengthy bio from the article so I suggest we slowly develop Draft:Stephen Paddock with the growing amount of reported relevant information, so we better see when it's worth an article on its own. @ Slazenger, Illegitimate Barrister, and Zirnevis: -- 85.179.83.215 ( talk) 15:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This can be migrated: https://twitter.com/FBILasVegas/status/914889765459251200 Victor Grigas ( talk) 00:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
This is the thinking here. I'd argue merely mentioning ISIS' feelings on the matter isn't enough to make this sufficiently "related" to it. If the group had actually done something (planned, funded, executed), I could see how this might be "about" it. But a statement in aftermath? I don't know what "broadly construed" means here. Is this too broad? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
ISIS plays a bigger part in this story than this shooting plays in ISIS'Sorry, what role does ISIS play? Do they play a role in the hurricanes? What is the connection that you see? Objective3000 ( talk) 00:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
The lede talks about it being the deadliest incident in modern US history. Doesn't this imply that somewhere in the past there was a worse one? Unless there's sources for that, I would suggest removing the "modern". 101.98.13.161 ( talk) 22:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
EMTs did not enter concert venue until police said all clear. Concertgoers hauled injured out themselves to a staging area well clear of venue. Rhadow ( talk) 23:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
First shots at 10:08 pm. LVPD says "shooter down" at 11:58 pm. How long did it take in Dallas? Rhadow ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
"with at least one off-duty police officer among the dead."
- there's no evidence that the officer was specifically targeted. Why is this significant, and not the number of, say, teachers or librarians?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 16:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps he was off-duty but armed, and he responded in some capacity? If so, then this would be relevant. 216.119.215.193 ( talk) 17:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This piece of information is completely irrelevant without some context indicating that it is. Please remove 192.91.171.36 ( talk) 19:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It is common, in the early days of a breaking news story, for there to be move warring from one title to another. That was happening here. I have now installed move protection to prevent any further warring. The version I protected actually happens to be the version that seemed to be the most stable, although it may not be the final title chosen. I protected it for a week, at the end of which time the Reliable Sources have usually settled on what they are calling it. A few days before that we can have an RfC to choose the actual title for the article - based on WP policy, comparison with other similar articles, Reliable Source usage, and whatever else people choose to rely on. -- MelanieN ( talk) 04:20, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
In the "Shooting" section, it says that "23 firearms were found". Two sections down, under "Perpetrator", it says that "police found 16 rifles and one handgun". I recognize that this is not necessarily a contradiction, but it does require examination and possibly explanation by persons more familiar with firearms than myself. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Definitely time for a section as it’s now a big deal with a lot of criticism of Facebook and Google. Doug Weller talk 05:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Benjamin_Hoskins_Paddock is not the father ..... 207.229.180.183 ( talk) 05:19, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we add an infobox to the "Perpetrator" section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm frankly quite surprised that my addition was reverted by so many folks, so I'm bringing it here. I tried to add the unexpected reaction of a band member who performed at Route 91 Harvest that day from the Josh Abbott Band, just before the shooting. [2] (In general, I concur with the desire to cut down on "Reactions" sections of articles. I really do.) But a country music personality (on stage that same day) who comes out publicly and forcefully and reverses his stance on gun control is a very significant deal. I gave the particulars, three reliable sources and the context from The Washington Post that this is a large deviation from the norm and is a big cultural shift: "Speaking up about any remotely political issue is rare in country music, particularly about gun culture, given the genre’s close ties with the National Rifle Association."
Again, I know well the problems with runaway "Reactions" sections and how they can get politicized. But what are we here for as an encyclopedia if we don't point out major, significant viewpoints directly as a result of the topic of the article? -- Fuzheado | Talk 01:00, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know how to fix the map, but the caption on the location map says it's a map of Downtown Las Vegas, but the area pictured (and where the shooting occurred) was the south end of the Strip. Downtown is several miles north and isn't even on that map.
GaidinBDJ (
talk) 06:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
In "Shooting" section, the number of guns is mentioned. But no mention of the hotel room windows being smashed to allow the shooting. NBC news citation
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the article should be renamed to "Mandalay Bay Massacre", or "Mandalay Bay Shooting"? Several major news agencies have already begun calling the incident the Mandalay Bay Massacre (see: https://worldusheadlines.com/tag/mandalay-bay-massacre/), as well as the Mandalay Bay Shooting (see: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-active-shooter-harvest-country-music-festival). I think naming the article “2017 Las Vegas Strip Shooting” is too generic, because there have already been numerous shootings in Las Vegas in 2017, and it's too easily confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsw531 ( talk • contribs) 04:38, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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The article should be renamed to Mandalay Bay Massacre, because of two reasons:
1. Major news agencies have already begun calling the incident the Mandalay Bay Massacre. (see: https://worldusheadlines.com/tag/mandalay-bay-massacre/) 2. Calling the incident the “Las Vegas Shooting” is too generic, because there have already been numerous shootings in Las Vegas. Bsw531 ( talk) 04:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Someone has moved this page back to 2017 Las Vegas Strip shooting which is inappropriate:
We should move it to the most commonly recognized title. -- Fuzheado | Talk 12:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Wait for the dust to settle.Exactly this. When one of these things happen it's basically guaranteed to get a half dozen threads on requested moves within about the first 72 hours. Usually within a few weeks, there's enough actual information about the event to decide on a name, and all previous discussion end up being a complete waste of time. GMG talk 12:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I see that "2017" has been removed from the title. That is probably appropriate, given that other one-of-a-kind shootings like Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and Virginia Tech shooting do not include the year. -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Press is calling it Mandalay Bay Shooting. Give it a couple of days. Rhadow ( talk) 22:55, 2 October 2017 (UTC)