Omg, people are actually deleting, editing and doing other stuff, violating the WP policies. Stop it, just stop it. And now we have what!? Double and three double sections with the same content!? I'm talking about the talk section-- Albin Schmitt ( talk) 14:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Can this be added to the article: "The Las Vegas shooter didn’t commit suicide as the mainstream media is reporting, but was killed by a FBI hostage rescue team who also found Antifa literature in his hotel room, according to a source linked to the team. The FBI team took the suspect out after he opened fired on them, according to the source, and afterwards the team found photos taken in the Middle East of a woman linked to the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock." To reflect the suspect as a radical communist/antifa/anti-Trumper https://www.infowars.com/fbi-source-vegas-shooter-found-with-antifa-literature-photos-taken-in-middle-east/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.212.151 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Not done - Not a reliable source. -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Not done Fake news website. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Not done I disregarded the source after I took a look and saw an article about how the government is mutating humans. (no joke) - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:17, 2 October 2017 (UTC) |
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In the lead, change "festival in Paradise, Nevada" to Festival in the Las Vegas Strip, Paradise, Nevada.
Practically no-one has heard of Paradise, Nevada or cares that it's not technically part of LV. Also since "Strip" is part of the title it should be echoed in the lead ASAP. ItWeren'tMe ( talk) 15:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Since this article was moved, should Talk:2017 Las Vegas Strip shooting/Archive 1 be moved, too? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Note: There are now two "User:MiszaBot/config" templates at the top of this page. Not sure if this should be addressed, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thumb This image shows the Mandalay from the south with the Luxor pyramid to the north of it, and I believe the parking lot is to the upper right. Obviously cropping is necessary.
Btw, the exact location of the festival seems to be 3901 South Las Vegas Blvd [1] ItWeren'tMe ( talk) 16:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thumb|better image (suggested by Andy Mabbett)
Here's a better image. Can someone add a caption describing where the concert was held? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm now wondering if there are too many images. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This article currently has 3 images and a map. Do we still need the banner on this talk page requesting additional photos? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Possible motive is in retaliation for his Lawsuit against a Las Vegas Casino being dismissed with Prejudice... The Casino he sued (The Cosmopolitan) was 1 mile from the site where he did the shooting from (Mandalay Bay). It could be that he is banned from the Cosmopolitan after the suit against them. He may also have had large gambling debts and blamed Las Vegas for "ruining him" (note: debts not confirmed yet). Maybe he was trying to hurt Las Vegas's economy as a whole or this was the closest venue to the Cosmopolitan with lots of people to target. Sources: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11928892 Casino sued: /info/en/?search=Cosmopolitan_of_Las_Vegas Shooting Location: /info/en/?search=Mandalay_Bay Distance Calculation: here Nodozen ( talk) 21:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodozen ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It's worth noting at least as part of his biography. It at least ties into his gambling, and might hint at money problems. Not sure if it's a motive though. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 20:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Agreed it isn't definitive proof or anything but only 1 mile away is really close and a 2 year lawsuit can be very costly. I would at least update the article to denote that he had a 2 year lawsuit (that was Dismissed with Prejudice) with the Cosmopolitan Casino which is only 1 mile away... Nodozen ( talk) 21:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC) |
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Why is the 24 hour( military clock) being used instead of the 12 hour clock like it is in other mass shooting articles? MitchellLunger ( talk) 03:13, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
This article was linked from List of terrorist incidents in October 2017 but I've removed its entry there until the motive is known (it should possibly appear instead in List of rampage killers, etc) ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 09:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Removing the edit that says that "Islam" is the motive. Barring the fact that wahhabi jihadism isn't indicative of "all Islam" generally, the motive of the shooter(s) is currently unknown, if a single motive exists at all. 70.31.82.231 ( talk) 08:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This article needs to be locked in order to prevent further vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.6.10.154 ( talk) 08:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Most of these details are false. Shishkabobbie ( talk) 09:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The article is missing some information right now, which is ok, since it is "current news" and not so much is known. But ... 20 dead? 100 injured? A single person? Well, visitors will ask HOW this happened. How could this happen, what weapon(s) were used? 2A02:8388:1603:CB00:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 10:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm still unable to edit, but if people are actively updating, here's a good MSNBC livestream reporting all the confirmed updated facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_HTCLhEJGo also thanks to Lugnuts for finally updating the info about the shooter's name as confirmed by the sheriff. Cheesy poof ( talk) 11:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Right now wikipedia article says about the identified suspect:
Media seem to disagree on this - perhaps because info from authorities develop; e.g.:
-- Nø ( talk) 12:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The political context section seems to provide no politcal context of the attacker but just talks about Nevada gun law. It seems that the only purpose of bringing it up is to claim that the lack of tighter gun laws allowed this attack to happen. No evidence is made to support that, and what details are present (multiple guns, lone attacker, secluded area) would imply that the large capacity magazines and open carry laws did not play a role in the number of fatalities. I think that this section should be either removed or edited to actually provide some politcal context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Locke411 ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Could we not wait before creating an article untill there is more certainty? Now the death rate has to be constantly adjusted. Wikinews is more suitable for breaking news. -- Livenws ( talk) 11:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A straw poll is underway at the Village Pump concerning articles like this, and whether the policy relating to "breaking news" articles should be changed. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Straw_poll_on_the_current_view_of_WP:NOT.23NEWS Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Do we know yet what governmental, civic, and religious leaders (aside from the Governor and President Trump) from the U.S. and other continents, nations, and supra-national bodies have said or are saying regarding this incident, which I understand to be the largest-ever (mass) shooting and a very significant event, at least in terms of fatalities and injuries, ever in the United States, with at least 50 dead and perhaps about 200-400 wounded to some extent? 98.215.153.31 ( talk) 14:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It's against Wikipedia policy to edit or delete comments on the Wikipedia discussion page. If you disagree with the topic (like including the name of the perpetrator), deleting the comment or the comment section is NOT OKAY. You can leave your argument below the comment instead.-- Albin Schmitt ( talk) 10:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Interesting witness report on NBC 3 Live, witness indicated a lady pushed her way to the front and started getting into a scuffle with another lady, and the pushy lady started yelling "you are all going to die tonight" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nby7zJSTw (clip of NBC 3 Live report) Cheesy poof ( talk) 11:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC) ***Also if someone can download this clip and/or post it to liveleaks or something as the interview has not been re-aired by the other news agencies and it may be pulled from youtube. This was possibly the companion woman Cheesy poof ( talk)
Apparently, there was a warning about 45 minutes before the shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.100.176 ( talk) 12:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
From what little is known, that could have been a personal threat by someone not connected to the shooter. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 15:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we make the "Reactions" section yet? Donald Trump had written his condolence on Twitter. -- Heydari ( talk) 12:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Ariana Grande is mentioned in the current Reactions section. Worth keeping? ---
Another Believer (
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I put in a reference where PBS said that a statement that Steve Paddock was a local resident was being "walked back" [9]. I have no idea what that means. From internet forums I was led to a Whitepages listing [10] that puts a Steven Paddock and a Marilou Danley at an address 80 miles from Las Vegas in Mesquite, Nevada, the town our text currently gives. Is there simply argument over whether that is "local", or is Paddock not truly a resident there, or ... well, I have no idea but keep an eye on this. Wnt ( talk) 12:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Someone added the ISIS claim again. Till this day no ISIS Perpetrator have committed suicide after carrying a mass shooting, like last year's Orlando attack when law enforcers had to kill the ISIS guy to stop him. But this guy is more similar to the typical mentally ill mass shooters like the Sandy Hook's School shooter in 2012. Regardless I am not trying to say that this was not an ISIS attack, but there is no valid confirmation yet and all the sources provided so far have been based on the Amaq claim, the person who added it posted the same news from different website based on that claim as his/her sources and he/she should be invited to the talk page to discuss the matter before adding this. A lot of web sites also claimed he was mentally ill or it was based on his political views, but we can't add these either because there is no valid confirmation about that either. Recently most Amaq claims have been false and they are just trying to use these claims to keep ISIS relevant. If ISIS involvement is definitely proven, it should indeed be included. There is no evidence other than Amaq claim that the perpetrator had accepted Islam either. But till now it is yet to be confirmed. I think we should wait for more information about the perpetrator before coming to such conclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengoman2017 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
ISIS's reaction needs to be in the article all International media have carried this claim BBC and along them considered it worthy to be there in there articles.Please note we have added that they have offered no evidence along with the reaction.We are not making a claim that they carried out this attack only putting there reaction Restore as per WP:NOTCENSORED . Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Let's keep the discussion in one section. See ISIS above. Objective3000 ( talk) 18:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I object to this edit. If we say what this crime was deadlier than, why not also say what it was less deadly than? Like this:
This crime was not as deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 (168 fatalities), the November 2015 Paris attacks (130 fatalities), and the 2011 Norway attacks (77 fatalities). [1]
References
- ^ Hinnant, Lori; Juozapavicius, Justin (October 2, 2017). "Terrorism, race, religion: Defining the Las Vegas shooting". ABC News. Associated Press.
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
[11] as a SHOOTING in peacetime, it is the second most after Utoya. Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 18:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The shooting is the deadliest in the united states [1]. Oklahoma city bombing was not a shooting, Paris attacks and 2011 Norway attacks were larger but were foreign attacks
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Police were "helped" finding the room due to a fire alarm activated by the guns' smoke. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/a-fire-alarm-from-gun-smoke-led-police-to-the-las-vegas-shooters-room-retired-officer-says/ (Better wording appreciated) -- 85.179.83.215 ( talk) 18:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The following links may be useful for a background section on the perpetrator...
This comment is tangentially related to this event, but I went ahead and created a Wikipedia stub for the phrase " thoughts and prayers". There are sources mentioning this phrase in the context of the Las Vegas shooting. I invite page watchers to help expand, if interested. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The Daily Mail is of an exploitative nature, and has been deemed by consensus to be an unreliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220 Llacb47 ( talk) 20:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This , while well intentioned, seems like it crosses outside of the scope of an encyclopedia. Also, generally speaking, should such details be included in articles? I would think not, though I'm not sure which specific policy would guide the decision. 207.222.59.50 ( talk) 20:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It is being reported in mainstream news sources (i.e., Bloomberg, The Washington Post) that shortly following the shooting fake news surfaced in right-wing media and Facebook pages which identified the wrong person as the suspect and branded him a leftist and registered Democrat. Given Wikipedia's strong stance against fake news, I deemed it relevant to include in this article, but it was deleted by another editor with the claim that "I'm sure there were responses claiming it to be a white nationalist as well"; the editor offered no evidence to support this allegation. Should this information be included given the issue of fake news surrounding events like this?-- C.J. Griffin ( talk) 17:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It actually is part of the story and could be included in an immediate reactions section, if done in the context of mood of the country at the time of incident, but will have to wait a few months or years. Until then, the best thing is document on the talk page for future editorial work. -- Green C 21:07, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Do we need all 3 of these?
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Update: Alright, we're down to just the 1st image at this point. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we include File:President Trump Gives Remarks.webm in the "Aftermath" section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:20, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Victor Grigas ( talk) 19:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't think this file will end up being displayed in the article, but I made sure it's been categorized at Commons appropriately for easy future reference. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Wondering if we should create the following subcategories:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Omg, people are actually deleting, editing and doing other stuff, violating the WP policies. Stop it, just stop it. And now we have what!? Double and three double sections with the same content!? I'm talking about the talk section-- Albin Schmitt ( talk) 14:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Can this be added to the article: "The Las Vegas shooter didn’t commit suicide as the mainstream media is reporting, but was killed by a FBI hostage rescue team who also found Antifa literature in his hotel room, according to a source linked to the team. The FBI team took the suspect out after he opened fired on them, according to the source, and afterwards the team found photos taken in the Middle East of a woman linked to the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock." To reflect the suspect as a radical communist/antifa/anti-Trumper https://www.infowars.com/fbi-source-vegas-shooter-found-with-antifa-literature-photos-taken-in-middle-east/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.212.151 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Not done - Not a reliable source. -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Not done Fake news website. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Not done I disregarded the source after I took a look and saw an article about how the government is mutating humans. (no joke) - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:17, 2 October 2017 (UTC) |
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I want to provide more deatail about the gunmans life. E.g- a former auditor, has a pilots license. 199.188.45.21 ( talk) 15:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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In the lead, change "festival in Paradise, Nevada" to Festival in the Las Vegas Strip, Paradise, Nevada.
Practically no-one has heard of Paradise, Nevada or cares that it's not technically part of LV. Also since "Strip" is part of the title it should be echoed in the lead ASAP. ItWeren'tMe ( talk) 15:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Since this article was moved, should Talk:2017 Las Vegas Strip shooting/Archive 1 be moved, too? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Note: There are now two "User:MiszaBot/config" templates at the top of this page. Not sure if this should be addressed, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thumb This image shows the Mandalay from the south with the Luxor pyramid to the north of it, and I believe the parking lot is to the upper right. Obviously cropping is necessary.
Btw, the exact location of the festival seems to be 3901 South Las Vegas Blvd [1] ItWeren'tMe ( talk) 16:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thumb|better image (suggested by Andy Mabbett)
Here's a better image. Can someone add a caption describing where the concert was held? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm now wondering if there are too many images. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This article currently has 3 images and a map. Do we still need the banner on this talk page requesting additional photos? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:01, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Possible motive is in retaliation for his Lawsuit against a Las Vegas Casino being dismissed with Prejudice... The Casino he sued (The Cosmopolitan) was 1 mile from the site where he did the shooting from (Mandalay Bay). It could be that he is banned from the Cosmopolitan after the suit against them. He may also have had large gambling debts and blamed Las Vegas for "ruining him" (note: debts not confirmed yet). Maybe he was trying to hurt Las Vegas's economy as a whole or this was the closest venue to the Cosmopolitan with lots of people to target. Sources: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11928892 Casino sued: /info/en/?search=Cosmopolitan_of_Las_Vegas Shooting Location: /info/en/?search=Mandalay_Bay Distance Calculation: here Nodozen ( talk) 21:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodozen ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It's worth noting at least as part of his biography. It at least ties into his gambling, and might hint at money problems. Not sure if it's a motive though. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 20:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Agreed it isn't definitive proof or anything but only 1 mile away is really close and a 2 year lawsuit can be very costly. I would at least update the article to denote that he had a 2 year lawsuit (that was Dismissed with Prejudice) with the Cosmopolitan Casino which is only 1 mile away... Nodozen ( talk) 21:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC) |
NOTFORUM. -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC) |
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Why is the 24 hour( military clock) being used instead of the 12 hour clock like it is in other mass shooting articles? MitchellLunger ( talk) 03:13, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
This article was linked from List of terrorist incidents in October 2017 but I've removed its entry there until the motive is known (it should possibly appear instead in List of rampage killers, etc) ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 09:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Removing the edit that says that "Islam" is the motive. Barring the fact that wahhabi jihadism isn't indicative of "all Islam" generally, the motive of the shooter(s) is currently unknown, if a single motive exists at all. 70.31.82.231 ( talk) 08:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This article needs to be locked in order to prevent further vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.6.10.154 ( talk) 08:39, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Most of these details are false. Shishkabobbie ( talk) 09:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The article is missing some information right now, which is ok, since it is "current news" and not so much is known. But ... 20 dead? 100 injured? A single person? Well, visitors will ask HOW this happened. How could this happen, what weapon(s) were used? 2A02:8388:1603:CB00:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 10:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm still unable to edit, but if people are actively updating, here's a good MSNBC livestream reporting all the confirmed updated facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_HTCLhEJGo also thanks to Lugnuts for finally updating the info about the shooter's name as confirmed by the sheriff. Cheesy poof ( talk) 11:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Right now wikipedia article says about the identified suspect:
Media seem to disagree on this - perhaps because info from authorities develop; e.g.:
-- Nø ( talk) 12:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The political context section seems to provide no politcal context of the attacker but just talks about Nevada gun law. It seems that the only purpose of bringing it up is to claim that the lack of tighter gun laws allowed this attack to happen. No evidence is made to support that, and what details are present (multiple guns, lone attacker, secluded area) would imply that the large capacity magazines and open carry laws did not play a role in the number of fatalities. I think that this section should be either removed or edited to actually provide some politcal context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Locke411 ( talk • contribs) 13:45, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Could we not wait before creating an article untill there is more certainty? Now the death rate has to be constantly adjusted. Wikinews is more suitable for breaking news. -- Livenws ( talk) 11:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
A straw poll is underway at the Village Pump concerning articles like this, and whether the policy relating to "breaking news" articles should be changed. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Straw_poll_on_the_current_view_of_WP:NOT.23NEWS Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Do we know yet what governmental, civic, and religious leaders (aside from the Governor and President Trump) from the U.S. and other continents, nations, and supra-national bodies have said or are saying regarding this incident, which I understand to be the largest-ever (mass) shooting and a very significant event, at least in terms of fatalities and injuries, ever in the United States, with at least 50 dead and perhaps about 200-400 wounded to some extent? 98.215.153.31 ( talk) 14:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It's against Wikipedia policy to edit or delete comments on the Wikipedia discussion page. If you disagree with the topic (like including the name of the perpetrator), deleting the comment or the comment section is NOT OKAY. You can leave your argument below the comment instead.-- Albin Schmitt ( talk) 10:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Interesting witness report on NBC 3 Live, witness indicated a lady pushed her way to the front and started getting into a scuffle with another lady, and the pushy lady started yelling "you are all going to die tonight" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nby7zJSTw (clip of NBC 3 Live report) Cheesy poof ( talk) 11:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC) ***Also if someone can download this clip and/or post it to liveleaks or something as the interview has not been re-aired by the other news agencies and it may be pulled from youtube. This was possibly the companion woman Cheesy poof ( talk)
Apparently, there was a warning about 45 minutes before the shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.100.176 ( talk) 12:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
From what little is known, that could have been a personal threat by someone not connected to the shooter. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 15:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we make the "Reactions" section yet? Donald Trump had written his condolence on Twitter. -- Heydari ( talk) 12:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Ariana Grande is mentioned in the current Reactions section. Worth keeping? ---
Another Believer (
Talk) 20:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I put in a reference where PBS said that a statement that Steve Paddock was a local resident was being "walked back" [9]. I have no idea what that means. From internet forums I was led to a Whitepages listing [10] that puts a Steven Paddock and a Marilou Danley at an address 80 miles from Las Vegas in Mesquite, Nevada, the town our text currently gives. Is there simply argument over whether that is "local", or is Paddock not truly a resident there, or ... well, I have no idea but keep an eye on this. Wnt ( talk) 12:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Someone added the ISIS claim again. Till this day no ISIS Perpetrator have committed suicide after carrying a mass shooting, like last year's Orlando attack when law enforcers had to kill the ISIS guy to stop him. But this guy is more similar to the typical mentally ill mass shooters like the Sandy Hook's School shooter in 2012. Regardless I am not trying to say that this was not an ISIS attack, but there is no valid confirmation yet and all the sources provided so far have been based on the Amaq claim, the person who added it posted the same news from different website based on that claim as his/her sources and he/she should be invited to the talk page to discuss the matter before adding this. A lot of web sites also claimed he was mentally ill or it was based on his political views, but we can't add these either because there is no valid confirmation about that either. Recently most Amaq claims have been false and they are just trying to use these claims to keep ISIS relevant. If ISIS involvement is definitely proven, it should indeed be included. There is no evidence other than Amaq claim that the perpetrator had accepted Islam either. But till now it is yet to be confirmed. I think we should wait for more information about the perpetrator before coming to such conclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengoman2017 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
ISIS's reaction needs to be in the article all International media have carried this claim BBC and along them considered it worthy to be there in there articles.Please note we have added that they have offered no evidence along with the reaction.We are not making a claim that they carried out this attack only putting there reaction Restore as per WP:NOTCENSORED . Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Let's keep the discussion in one section. See ISIS above. Objective3000 ( talk) 18:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I object to this edit. If we say what this crime was deadlier than, why not also say what it was less deadly than? Like this:
This crime was not as deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 (168 fatalities), the November 2015 Paris attacks (130 fatalities), and the 2011 Norway attacks (77 fatalities). [1]
References
- ^ Hinnant, Lori; Juozapavicius, Justin (October 2, 2017). "Terrorism, race, religion: Defining the Las Vegas shooting". ABC News. Associated Press.
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
[11] as a SHOOTING in peacetime, it is the second most after Utoya. Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 18:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The shooting is the deadliest in the united states [1]. Oklahoma city bombing was not a shooting, Paris attacks and 2011 Norway attacks were larger but were foreign attacks
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Police were "helped" finding the room due to a fire alarm activated by the guns' smoke. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/a-fire-alarm-from-gun-smoke-led-police-to-the-las-vegas-shooters-room-retired-officer-says/ (Better wording appreciated) -- 85.179.83.215 ( talk) 18:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The following links may be useful for a background section on the perpetrator...
This comment is tangentially related to this event, but I went ahead and created a Wikipedia stub for the phrase " thoughts and prayers". There are sources mentioning this phrase in the context of the Las Vegas shooting. I invite page watchers to help expand, if interested. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
The Daily Mail is of an exploitative nature, and has been deemed by consensus to be an unreliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220 Llacb47 ( talk) 20:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This , while well intentioned, seems like it crosses outside of the scope of an encyclopedia. Also, generally speaking, should such details be included in articles? I would think not, though I'm not sure which specific policy would guide the decision. 207.222.59.50 ( talk) 20:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It is being reported in mainstream news sources (i.e., Bloomberg, The Washington Post) that shortly following the shooting fake news surfaced in right-wing media and Facebook pages which identified the wrong person as the suspect and branded him a leftist and registered Democrat. Given Wikipedia's strong stance against fake news, I deemed it relevant to include in this article, but it was deleted by another editor with the claim that "I'm sure there were responses claiming it to be a white nationalist as well"; the editor offered no evidence to support this allegation. Should this information be included given the issue of fake news surrounding events like this?-- C.J. Griffin ( talk) 17:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
It actually is part of the story and could be included in an immediate reactions section, if done in the context of mood of the country at the time of incident, but will have to wait a few months or years. Until then, the best thing is document on the talk page for future editorial work. -- Green C 21:07, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Do we need all 3 of these?
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Update: Alright, we're down to just the 1st image at this point. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Should we include File:President Trump Gives Remarks.webm in the "Aftermath" section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:20, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Victor Grigas ( talk) 19:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't think this file will end up being displayed in the article, but I made sure it's been categorized at Commons appropriately for easy future reference. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Wondering if we should create the following subcategories:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)