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I've moved this to "conflicts in 2017" as it seems to be a more appropriate category. There's an argument to be made that "settlers" in general shouldn't be seen as "civilian" as civilians in the Israeli state proper, but that's beside the point as this attack specifically targeted Israeli military personnel and is thus as such militarily legitimate. 70.31.81.167 ( talk) 11:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
No, it's a settlement. In the West Bank. nableezy - 16:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Elisha Efrat (27 September 2006). The West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Geography of Occupation and Disengagement. Routledge. p. 58. ISBN 978-1-134-17217-7.
Youve also violated the discretionary sanctions here. Kindly stop. nableezy - 19:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I found a better source for straddles, Ill return that how they treat it. nableezy - 19:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that Wikipedia has any style guide mandating the use of the word "settlement" in particular contexts. Either version of the article states that the local is in the "West Bank", so it's clear which side of the green line it lies on. So, it's not too big a deal. On the one hand, calling it a "residential suburb" may give a more accurate sense of its geography to those less familiar with the intricacies of the conflict. On the other hand, a map is provided, so it's clear where it is located with respect to Jerusalem. OtterAM ( talk) 23:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Galatz, WP:1RR means "more than one revert", not "one revert". When you making changes with two edits and I'm reverting both edits it's considering one revert. Instead of going to my talk page with false edit-warring accusations, you should've started discussion here.
Year in names of articles about terrorist attacks is common practice, as seen in 2017 Halamish stabbing attack, 2017 Yavne attack, 2017 Turku stabbing, 2017 Parsons Green bombing. Read about it here and here. Your examples ( Lions' Gate stabbings and Beersheva bus station shooting) are outdated and named like that due to lack of attention.
As for {{ Current}}, it included when subject of article is in the news, which is still the case here. For attacks, it normally lasts for a day or two. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 20:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert.
The background section is ridiculously unbalanced: seriously, in a conflict: listing only the dead on one side??? So Palestinian killed doesn't count.....?? Huldra ( talk) 22:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
This article focusses on the Palestinian terror attack. The background shows the Palestinian terror attacks in the past. If this was an israeli attack then the background would show a history of Israeli violence. JBergsma1 ( talk) 08:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC) JBergsma1 ( talk) 08:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I removed the Facebook quote from the alleged killer. I don't really see any reason to include it, and Wikipedia typically doesn't include the last Facebook status updates of killers, unless they are particularly relevant or notable. OtterAM ( talk) 23:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Maybe it's me but I am a little confused by this clause. (Also, is this part really needed?) Isn't if it's within the Green Line, then it's in Israel, and the West Bank is outside of the Green Line? And if it says it's an ISraeli Settlement, then there is no need to say it's located on the "other side" of the green line inside of the WB, since that what it is. If part of it is inside the line and part out, that needs to be clarified since it's written unclearly. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I very much object to the edit summary and edit here by Icewhiz. No, Muslims do not have a "specific God", Allah is the Arabic for God, and non-Muslim Arabic speakers use Allah as the word for God as well. Further, we even have a style guideline about this WP:ALLAH. The Facebook post was written in Arabic, and we use the English translation where that is the case. I understand Yedioth Aharanot choose to keep it as Allah in their article, we do not have to follow that little race-baiting here. nableezy - 21:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
In response to the allegation that a Machsom Watch activist told one of the guards, "You are a disgrace", she denied it. In case my Google-assisted translation is wrong, it is "בתגובה אמרה בר"ג: "מה פתאום, לא אמרנו דבר כזה. מכניסים לנו את זה לפה" which I understand to mean "In response, [Hanna] Barag said, 'We did not say such a thing; they put it in our mouths'.". I don't see how this incident played any part in the shooting. Does the source say it did? If not, why is it here? Zero talk 01:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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I've moved this to "conflicts in 2017" as it seems to be a more appropriate category. There's an argument to be made that "settlers" in general shouldn't be seen as "civilian" as civilians in the Israeli state proper, but that's beside the point as this attack specifically targeted Israeli military personnel and is thus as such militarily legitimate. 70.31.81.167 ( talk) 11:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
No, it's a settlement. In the West Bank. nableezy - 16:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Elisha Efrat (27 September 2006). The West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Geography of Occupation and Disengagement. Routledge. p. 58. ISBN 978-1-134-17217-7.
Youve also violated the discretionary sanctions here. Kindly stop. nableezy - 19:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I found a better source for straddles, Ill return that how they treat it. nableezy - 19:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that Wikipedia has any style guide mandating the use of the word "settlement" in particular contexts. Either version of the article states that the local is in the "West Bank", so it's clear which side of the green line it lies on. So, it's not too big a deal. On the one hand, calling it a "residential suburb" may give a more accurate sense of its geography to those less familiar with the intricacies of the conflict. On the other hand, a map is provided, so it's clear where it is located with respect to Jerusalem. OtterAM ( talk) 23:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Galatz, WP:1RR means "more than one revert", not "one revert". When you making changes with two edits and I'm reverting both edits it's considering one revert. Instead of going to my talk page with false edit-warring accusations, you should've started discussion here.
Year in names of articles about terrorist attacks is common practice, as seen in 2017 Halamish stabbing attack, 2017 Yavne attack, 2017 Turku stabbing, 2017 Parsons Green bombing. Read about it here and here. Your examples ( Lions' Gate stabbings and Beersheva bus station shooting) are outdated and named like that due to lack of attention.
As for {{ Current}}, it included when subject of article is in the news, which is still the case here. For attacks, it normally lasts for a day or two. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 20:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert.
The background section is ridiculously unbalanced: seriously, in a conflict: listing only the dead on one side??? So Palestinian killed doesn't count.....?? Huldra ( talk) 22:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
This article focusses on the Palestinian terror attack. The background shows the Palestinian terror attacks in the past. If this was an israeli attack then the background would show a history of Israeli violence. JBergsma1 ( talk) 08:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC) JBergsma1 ( talk) 08:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I removed the Facebook quote from the alleged killer. I don't really see any reason to include it, and Wikipedia typically doesn't include the last Facebook status updates of killers, unless they are particularly relevant or notable. OtterAM ( talk) 23:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Maybe it's me but I am a little confused by this clause. (Also, is this part really needed?) Isn't if it's within the Green Line, then it's in Israel, and the West Bank is outside of the Green Line? And if it says it's an ISraeli Settlement, then there is no need to say it's located on the "other side" of the green line inside of the WB, since that what it is. If part of it is inside the line and part out, that needs to be clarified since it's written unclearly. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I very much object to the edit summary and edit here by Icewhiz. No, Muslims do not have a "specific God", Allah is the Arabic for God, and non-Muslim Arabic speakers use Allah as the word for God as well. Further, we even have a style guideline about this WP:ALLAH. The Facebook post was written in Arabic, and we use the English translation where that is the case. I understand Yedioth Aharanot choose to keep it as Allah in their article, we do not have to follow that little race-baiting here. nableezy - 21:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
In response to the allegation that a Machsom Watch activist told one of the guards, "You are a disgrace", she denied it. In case my Google-assisted translation is wrong, it is "בתגובה אמרה בר"ג: "מה פתאום, לא אמרנו דבר כזה. מכניסים לנו את זה לפה" which I understand to mean "In response, [Hanna] Barag said, 'We did not say such a thing; they put it in our mouths'.". I don't see how this incident played any part in the shooting. Does the source say it did? If not, why is it here? Zero talk 01:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)