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I'm looking at the driver table, trying to figure out how we could condense it, because right now, it's quite overloaded. I was wondering if we could cut some of the superfluous stuff, particularly the entrant column. It doesn't really add anything. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 07:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Not according to the FIA. All of their results are credited to Williams-Mercedes. "Williams Martini Racing" is just the name used by the team when referring to themselves. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Articles are fluid. Just because previous articles do it, that doesn't automatically mean that it will always be done that way Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Can we all stop removing this from the table for the time being. The level of editing regarding this issue is disruptive and it's clear that a number of users object to the removal. Such an important change really needs consensus. T v x1 03:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
So, any thoughts? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 04:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Speedy Question Mark — I have been suggesting that the column be removed for a week. This discussion has been here for as long and nobody has been able to provide a good reason for keeping it. So instead of throwing a tantrum and demanding that things are kept the way they were without a reason, how about you do something constructive and participate in a discussion? Or is that asking too much of you? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 00:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't find it useful at all, and I think you're grossly overstating the potential for someone to confuse "Haas" and "Haas F1 Team" as being two completely different things—especially when there is other information provided alongside the use of "Haas F1 Team" (the drivers) that make it easier still to identify "Haas" and "Haas F1 Team" as being one and the same.
There is no useful information in the entrant column. There's just a lot of repetition. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 21:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you know what is also unique and useful? Jenson Button's middle name—his full name is Jenson Alexander Lyons Button. It's unique, and it's useful, but it's also irrelevant. Why is it so important that we know the full team names? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
This coming from the guy who immediately characterises any proposed edits he disagrees with as being indefensible?
And if you read that discussion, you would see that I made it pretty clear that when I said every article, I meant every article. It's a practice that is common to the season articles of every major motorsport championship, and thus it's not our place to make a decision like that. It's an issue for WP:MOTOR at the very least, and probably a few others to boot. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 21:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I will continue to edit in a way that I see fit and which I believe is in the interests of the article. I will not, however, pay any attention to anything that you have to say until such time as you can demonstrate respect for other editors. You have repeatedly accused people who disagree with you of behaving in a way that is indefensible as if disagreeing with you is a cardinal sin. Now you have deliberately misrepresented the arguments of other editors to suit your own agenda, and have decided to rule with absolute authority when you have none, and in doing so you have shown that you cannot be trusted to conduct a civil discussion.
If you want to do something to benefit the article, you have two choices: you can lose the attitude and apologise, or you can go somewhere else. If you choose to stay and keep the attitude, every edit you make will be regressive because it will be serving your pride rather than the article. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I think what you meant to say is "I have nothing more to say on this topic". Especially since you criticised me for speaking as if I spoke for multiple editors. For you to then do it makes you a hypocrite on top of everything else. If other people want to say something, let them, rather than assuming that you have the right to speak for them. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 20:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I couldn't care less about that. I'm more concerned that you think that this is an appropriate way to conduct yourself, as if you blatant disrespect and condescension are somehow virtues. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 06:23, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
http://www.sauberf1team.com/news/pascal-wehrlein-not-to-start-at-the-australian-grand-prix
Could someone with edit privileges please add this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeyofthePriuses ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this race be counted as "an entry" for Wehrlein? DH85868993 ( talk) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
But on his page he is not, which I suppose raises more questions. Holdenman05 ( talk) 10:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
No, he is listed as having been entered. The rounds column lists entries. The results tables and the prose expain what happened afterwards. They clearly show he didn't take part in the race so there is no scope for misassumption. T v x1 10:40, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
In the past drivers who withdrew after practice, or drivers who only took part in pactice (excluding Friday drivers) were listed as Practiced only. For some reason this has been altered (to withdrawn) in some of the season standings, but this is still the case on all the driver's profiles. Eddie Irvine Sergio Pérez. For the sake of consistency I think we should make sure that all the pages state the same. Jahn1234567890 ( talk) 15:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I thought Chase Carey was Bernie Ecclestone's successor but he isn't mentioned. Can someone please explain? Gmackematix ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Is there a source on Vettel's win being first mattering in who leads the championship? The sporting regulations just say that the number of wins matter, and make no mention on the order of wins. Considering Formula1.com and FIA.com have different leaders, I can't see how we can say for sure that one is ahead of the other without a reliable source saying so. OZ OO 21:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:
a) The holder of the greatest number of first places.
b) If the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places.
c) If the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.
d) If this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.
-- Mark McWire ( talk) 01:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
My understanding is that if it is tied on wins, they go to second placings; if they're tied on seconds, they go to third placings, and so on and so forth until they reach the point of diminishing returns and use "such criteria as they see fit". Clearly, we're at that point, but I have never heard of pole positions being used as that criteria. It is THEN that they would consider who scored their victories and when. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 04:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking at third party sources, there is some confusion over the current standings. The BBC and Motorsport.com, show Vettel first, in line with F1.com. The standings from the FIA website with Hamilton shown in the lead are followed by The Telegraph, Sky Sports, Channel 4 (the other British broadcaster), NBC Sports, and quite a few others.
The third way is to show a tie, which we were using yesterday, and that is used by Autosport, Eurosport and ESPN. This I believe is the correct approach, as if we read the actual regulations:
7.2 If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:
They state that a tie is only broken at the end of a season, and then by a criteria decided by the FIA. There is no mention of qualifying performances, or which driver scored a victory first; the FIA might use either, but if they don't tell us, we can't assume. There is also no provision about breaking a tie mid-season, so the implication is as things stand right now, Hamilton and Vettel are tied. This also means Palmer and Vandoorne are tied, although I have a feeling no one would care if the question was only over 16th place. QueenCake ( talk) 15:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
With no apparent consensus amongst the reliable sources, we need to state just that in the article and leave the readers to draw their own conclusions. Anything else would fail WP:NPOV. -- de Facto ( talk). 18:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I will also note that the FIA are contradicting themselves here they have Hamilton on top, but here they have the opposite. Regarding third-party sources, GPUpdate and StatsF1] put Vettel on top as well. I think DeFacto raised a fair point, but I can't see how we could actually implement it. After all, we have to put something in the first two rows of the standings' table. T v x1 21:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I remember that we used to show a tie for drivers in lower places or I'm confusing it with something else? If I'm right then we should do what was always done. Otherwise, Vettel should be on top as he was the first driver to win it this year. – Sabbatino ( talk) 04:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
A further discussion of this subject is occurring at the F1 WikiProject discussion page – Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Drivers' standings after the 2017 Chinese GP – and all contributions are invited. Regards, EdChem ( talk) 03:03, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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"Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.[67]"
Remove the comma, it makes no sense. 78.0.192.253 ( talk) 00:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Are we not doing this for 2017? I'm focusing my attentions on other articles this year, so I'm not really up for it, but it seems like a curious omission to make. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 22:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Prisonermonkeys: and Tvx1 - before we stray into WP:EW territory, the source explicitly names it as the "Max Verstappen rule", so the use of the term "Verstappen rule" is correct. It is also referred to as such by various F1 commentators, such as Martin Brundle of Sky Sports F1. Whether or not the term is "tabloid" is neither here nor there. The term is in common use. Mjroots ( talk) 13:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I'm relatively new here but made a curious discovery when looking at the season tables couple of days ago. In the drivers' and consructors' championship standings; Did not start (DNS) and Race cancelled (C) are keyed as White, but Did not practice (DNP), Excluded (EX), Did not arrive (DNA), Withdrawn (WD) are keyed as blank. Now to my eyes there is barely any difference between the two colours and if there was an intended categorical difference it is not tangible to be made out in the busy tables, the only way of easily knowing there is in fact a difference is to rigorously inspect the key. So I wondered if it might be better to:
- 1) Collapse them all to either the White or Blank classification
or if is deemed sufficient difference exists between the two classifications
- 2) Choose a more distinct colour contrast, so the distinction can be thus made
Interestingly still, 'Not classified, retired (Ret)' belongs to its own category.
And shouldn't 'Red' be called 'Pink' because it does not resemble Red to me. Maybe this scheme has been used for many years, but the current key colouring is at best, moderately indistinct. I think a simple change could make it much more consistent and useful in an encyclopedia. Maybe this is not a significant problem, but to me, at very least: the current use of White and Blank for separate categories is completely useless. MatthewJAFields ( talk) 17:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Why when clicking on the 2017 Spanish Grand Prix and subsequents it redirects to the 2017 Formula One Season?-- RafaelS1979 ( talk) 14:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
The WDC standings have KMag listed as having finished the Russian GP in 13th place, but the WCC standings list him has having finished 12th. I clicked edit, but I don't know how to fix this. Real tlhingan ( talk) 15:54, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
After Barcelona, the points for Toro Rosso and Sauber need to be corrected. The table reflects SAI and WEH correctly after the 5 second penalty, but the points are off by 2 for their teams RobiBuecheler ( talk) 19:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
For the Spanish GP, Wehrlein incurred a 5 second post-race penalty and was classified 8th, being Sainz. The standings are reflecting the race finish order, not the final classification. Real tlhingan ( talk) 21:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
I have a question regarding McLaren and the constructors standings table. Jenson Button, who raced with number 22 from 2014-16, will be participating in the Monaco Grand Prix on the 28th of May. I notice that there is a third "sub-row" as I call it in the constructor's standings for him in the McLaren row already. That's fine, but it lists his car number as 66, not the 22 that he raced with in 2014-16. I would be very interested to see the source for that information, because I have seen nothing from official sources that Jenson Button will in fact be driving with 66 on the nose of his car instead of 22. If there is a legitimate source that does confirm this, that's perfectly ok. I just haven't seen anything about it. Any clarity on this would be greatly appreciated. Adamlast1 ( talk) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The kids must be out of school, there's been A LOT of vandalism this passed day or so. We need page protection so that edits can only be made by registered users. Real tlhingan ( talk) 18:21, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Surely Button shouldn't be listed on the drivers table until he is actually entered for the Monaco race weekend? It was my understanding that this was the case? Surely the note in the "mid-season changes" section should suffice until such time as the FIA have released their entry list which is not normally until a week before the race weekend. Anyway, ignore me if I'm wrong. MetalDylan ( talk) 13:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@ The359 — at the risk of going down completely the wrong avenue, the definition of "participation" is fuzzy. Here we've got Button in the table because he's under contract, but Wehrlein is in the table for Melbourne despite only practicing, and everybody else has raced. The threshold for inclusion in the table is appearing on the entry list on the Thursday before the race, although I think a far more practical definition of "participation" is that they attempted to qualify. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
List drivers by the rounds they have competed in, with those they as scheduled to compete in in brackets. Thus the entry for Button at the minute would just read (6), Wehrlein would read 1, 3 (4-20). Mjroots ( talk) 14:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
My suggestion is 2-fold, and quite simple:
Real tlhingan ( talk) 05:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
We should not list him before this. Real tlhingan ( talk) 06:04, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Surely it would be more fitting for the picture of Vettel to be the same one as on his page? I think it makes more sense to have him in some kind of Ferrari gear.
Although, he might lead the championship by the end of this weekend, so his picture may soon be gone anyway. MartianDuk ( talk) 13:52, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Apparently some F1 cars were modified following Billy Monger's F4 accident at Donington. Worth mentioning in the article? Mjroots ( talk) 21:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. I want to make Persian (فارسی) version of this page. Sajad.Za ( talk) 08:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
A few months ago, I put forward a proposal that season articles should be renamed as their content only reflected the championship. The proposal was rejected on the grounds that the articles addressed everything that happened in the season, even if the only racing was the World Championship.
Overnight, I added all of the drivers who took part in the post-Hungary test, but @ Tvx1 has since reverted them. My case for including them is as follows:
Therefore, I think we can conclude that test sessions constitute part of the wider season, and thus drivers who took part should be included in the article. If not, then the article is not a "season" article and should be moved as it only focuses on the events of the championship. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 00:45, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
In the Constructors' Standings, Toro Rosso's 10th place is shaded blue (no points), it should be shaded green (non-podium points). Real tlhingan ( talk) 23:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi!
I just noticed that Carlos Sainz's tenth place should be green and not blue. Regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.182.196.165 ( talk) 14:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the Android mobile app this reference/link shows up as not found.
If the link is long pressed & open in a new tab is selected then the page loads properly.
Pictured is the W08 EQ Power+, the car entered by the team in 2017.]]
I'm not a wiki guru so I cannot propose a solution. This may be a bug in the formatting when it comes to the mobile app. Hometheatercalibrator ( talk) 21:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I just noticed mercedes's constructor points in the championship should amount to 475, and not 435. EDIT: Actually I just noticed that no constructors' total points have been updated.
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The above-mentioned UN resolution is non-binding and is thus far from representing "international law" as suggested by the single-purpose account (WP:SPA) above. So there is no reason to engage in any dispute here, unless the goal is to discuss controversial subjects in international politics. But since the subject of F1 and of distribution of the Grands Prix around the world is far from international politics, the map simply represents the de-facto status of the territories as it currently stands. The issue raised is a non-issue in the context of the subject this map represents, and this in no way detracts from the main purpose of the map. So apart from engaging in WP:ADVOCACY by the WP:SPA Vaper ( talk| contribs), there is no other reason to change the map as it currently stands. cherkash ( talk) 05:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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Hi there,
Wouldn't it be appropriate to add the free practice drivers from Hungary to make the page as precise as possible?
Source: [1]
Keep up the good work! High-five from Denmark Kasper 217.61.216.164 ( talk) 09:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed that Giovinazzi driving for sauber is included in the driver changes section but is this not *technically* a mid-season change as Wehrlein took part in FP1 and is not part of the permanent driver line-up? Just wanted to get a consensus before making the edit. 83.231.221.26 ( talk) 07:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Pascal Wehrlein, who moved from MRT to replace Felipe Nasr at Sauber,[42] withdrew from the opening rounds of the championship as a precaution after an injury at the Race of Champions interrupted his training regime, prompting concerns that he would not be able to cope with the greater physical demands placed on the drivers by the 2017 generation of cars. As such, 2016 GP2 Series runner-up Antonio Giovinazzi drove for Sauber from the second practice of the opening round in Australia.[16][41] Wehrlein returned to competition at the third race, the Bahrain Grand Prix, with Giovinazzi resuming testing and reserve driving duties.[43]
But the wording of the article doesn't address that at all. You're relying on the reader to make a connection based on a premise is not clearly stated. You cannot simply copy and paste one part of an article into another without making changes to it and expect that there are no issues when the sections you are taking that content from and are adding it to deal with completely different things. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 23:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@ WikiEditorAU: and Prisonermonkeys - there isn't an edit war about to break out, is there? Gasly is contracted, but it is referenced elsewhere in the article that Kvyat will race in USA. Mjroots ( talk) 10:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Something's not lined up properly in the points column. I don't have access to fix it. Real tlhingan ( talk) 22:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The below chart illustrates the (ongoing) cumulative points of championship contenders. It may supplement results by providing a clear visual representation through the races of the season.
It would be great to hear any opinions before making or not making changes. Bamkin ( talk) 01:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Chart illustrating the cumulative point totals of championship contenders Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel and Valtteri Bottas through the 2017 FIA Formula One World Championship season race-by-race.
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81.36.56.146 ( talk) 19:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
At ITN ( Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Formula_One) I've said:
Apart from that there's currently one support, and the nominator's own comment. So it seems quite likely that the above-mentioned couple of paragraphs are all that's needed to get it posted. I don't feel competent to add them myself, but surely some of the editors round here are capable of doing that. Tlhslobus ( talk) 01:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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I'm looking at the driver table, trying to figure out how we could condense it, because right now, it's quite overloaded. I was wondering if we could cut some of the superfluous stuff, particularly the entrant column. It doesn't really add anything. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 07:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Not according to the FIA. All of their results are credited to Williams-Mercedes. "Williams Martini Racing" is just the name used by the team when referring to themselves. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Articles are fluid. Just because previous articles do it, that doesn't automatically mean that it will always be done that way Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Can we all stop removing this from the table for the time being. The level of editing regarding this issue is disruptive and it's clear that a number of users object to the removal. Such an important change really needs consensus. T v x1 03:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
So, any thoughts? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 04:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Speedy Question Mark — I have been suggesting that the column be removed for a week. This discussion has been here for as long and nobody has been able to provide a good reason for keeping it. So instead of throwing a tantrum and demanding that things are kept the way they were without a reason, how about you do something constructive and participate in a discussion? Or is that asking too much of you? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 00:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't find it useful at all, and I think you're grossly overstating the potential for someone to confuse "Haas" and "Haas F1 Team" as being two completely different things—especially when there is other information provided alongside the use of "Haas F1 Team" (the drivers) that make it easier still to identify "Haas" and "Haas F1 Team" as being one and the same.
There is no useful information in the entrant column. There's just a lot of repetition. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 21:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you know what is also unique and useful? Jenson Button's middle name—his full name is Jenson Alexander Lyons Button. It's unique, and it's useful, but it's also irrelevant. Why is it so important that we know the full team names? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
This coming from the guy who immediately characterises any proposed edits he disagrees with as being indefensible?
And if you read that discussion, you would see that I made it pretty clear that when I said every article, I meant every article. It's a practice that is common to the season articles of every major motorsport championship, and thus it's not our place to make a decision like that. It's an issue for WP:MOTOR at the very least, and probably a few others to boot. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 21:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I will continue to edit in a way that I see fit and which I believe is in the interests of the article. I will not, however, pay any attention to anything that you have to say until such time as you can demonstrate respect for other editors. You have repeatedly accused people who disagree with you of behaving in a way that is indefensible as if disagreeing with you is a cardinal sin. Now you have deliberately misrepresented the arguments of other editors to suit your own agenda, and have decided to rule with absolute authority when you have none, and in doing so you have shown that you cannot be trusted to conduct a civil discussion.
If you want to do something to benefit the article, you have two choices: you can lose the attitude and apologise, or you can go somewhere else. If you choose to stay and keep the attitude, every edit you make will be regressive because it will be serving your pride rather than the article. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I think what you meant to say is "I have nothing more to say on this topic". Especially since you criticised me for speaking as if I spoke for multiple editors. For you to then do it makes you a hypocrite on top of everything else. If other people want to say something, let them, rather than assuming that you have the right to speak for them. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 20:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I couldn't care less about that. I'm more concerned that you think that this is an appropriate way to conduct yourself, as if you blatant disrespect and condescension are somehow virtues. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 06:23, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
http://www.sauberf1team.com/news/pascal-wehrlein-not-to-start-at-the-australian-grand-prix
Could someone with edit privileges please add this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeyofthePriuses ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this race be counted as "an entry" for Wehrlein? DH85868993 ( talk) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
But on his page he is not, which I suppose raises more questions. Holdenman05 ( talk) 10:09, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
No, he is listed as having been entered. The rounds column lists entries. The results tables and the prose expain what happened afterwards. They clearly show he didn't take part in the race so there is no scope for misassumption. T v x1 10:40, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
In the past drivers who withdrew after practice, or drivers who only took part in pactice (excluding Friday drivers) were listed as Practiced only. For some reason this has been altered (to withdrawn) in some of the season standings, but this is still the case on all the driver's profiles. Eddie Irvine Sergio Pérez. For the sake of consistency I think we should make sure that all the pages state the same. Jahn1234567890 ( talk) 15:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I thought Chase Carey was Bernie Ecclestone's successor but he isn't mentioned. Can someone please explain? Gmackematix ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Is there a source on Vettel's win being first mattering in who leads the championship? The sporting regulations just say that the number of wins matter, and make no mention on the order of wins. Considering Formula1.com and FIA.com have different leaders, I can't see how we can say for sure that one is ahead of the other without a reliable source saying so. OZ OO 21:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:
a) The holder of the greatest number of first places.
b) If the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places.
c) If the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.
d) If this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.
-- Mark McWire ( talk) 01:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
My understanding is that if it is tied on wins, they go to second placings; if they're tied on seconds, they go to third placings, and so on and so forth until they reach the point of diminishing returns and use "such criteria as they see fit". Clearly, we're at that point, but I have never heard of pole positions being used as that criteria. It is THEN that they would consider who scored their victories and when. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 04:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking at third party sources, there is some confusion over the current standings. The BBC and Motorsport.com, show Vettel first, in line with F1.com. The standings from the FIA website with Hamilton shown in the lead are followed by The Telegraph, Sky Sports, Channel 4 (the other British broadcaster), NBC Sports, and quite a few others.
The third way is to show a tie, which we were using yesterday, and that is used by Autosport, Eurosport and ESPN. This I believe is the correct approach, as if we read the actual regulations:
7.2 If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:
They state that a tie is only broken at the end of a season, and then by a criteria decided by the FIA. There is no mention of qualifying performances, or which driver scored a victory first; the FIA might use either, but if they don't tell us, we can't assume. There is also no provision about breaking a tie mid-season, so the implication is as things stand right now, Hamilton and Vettel are tied. This also means Palmer and Vandoorne are tied, although I have a feeling no one would care if the question was only over 16th place. QueenCake ( talk) 15:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
With no apparent consensus amongst the reliable sources, we need to state just that in the article and leave the readers to draw their own conclusions. Anything else would fail WP:NPOV. -- de Facto ( talk). 18:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I will also note that the FIA are contradicting themselves here they have Hamilton on top, but here they have the opposite. Regarding third-party sources, GPUpdate and StatsF1] put Vettel on top as well. I think DeFacto raised a fair point, but I can't see how we could actually implement it. After all, we have to put something in the first two rows of the standings' table. T v x1 21:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I remember that we used to show a tie for drivers in lower places or I'm confusing it with something else? If I'm right then we should do what was always done. Otherwise, Vettel should be on top as he was the first driver to win it this year. – Sabbatino ( talk) 04:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
A further discussion of this subject is occurring at the F1 WikiProject discussion page – Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Drivers' standings after the 2017 Chinese GP – and all contributions are invited. Regards, EdChem ( talk) 03:03, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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"Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.[67]"
Remove the comma, it makes no sense. 78.0.192.253 ( talk) 00:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Are we not doing this for 2017? I'm focusing my attentions on other articles this year, so I'm not really up for it, but it seems like a curious omission to make. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 22:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Prisonermonkeys: and Tvx1 - before we stray into WP:EW territory, the source explicitly names it as the "Max Verstappen rule", so the use of the term "Verstappen rule" is correct. It is also referred to as such by various F1 commentators, such as Martin Brundle of Sky Sports F1. Whether or not the term is "tabloid" is neither here nor there. The term is in common use. Mjroots ( talk) 13:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I'm relatively new here but made a curious discovery when looking at the season tables couple of days ago. In the drivers' and consructors' championship standings; Did not start (DNS) and Race cancelled (C) are keyed as White, but Did not practice (DNP), Excluded (EX), Did not arrive (DNA), Withdrawn (WD) are keyed as blank. Now to my eyes there is barely any difference between the two colours and if there was an intended categorical difference it is not tangible to be made out in the busy tables, the only way of easily knowing there is in fact a difference is to rigorously inspect the key. So I wondered if it might be better to:
- 1) Collapse them all to either the White or Blank classification
or if is deemed sufficient difference exists between the two classifications
- 2) Choose a more distinct colour contrast, so the distinction can be thus made
Interestingly still, 'Not classified, retired (Ret)' belongs to its own category.
And shouldn't 'Red' be called 'Pink' because it does not resemble Red to me. Maybe this scheme has been used for many years, but the current key colouring is at best, moderately indistinct. I think a simple change could make it much more consistent and useful in an encyclopedia. Maybe this is not a significant problem, but to me, at very least: the current use of White and Blank for separate categories is completely useless. MatthewJAFields ( talk) 17:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Why when clicking on the 2017 Spanish Grand Prix and subsequents it redirects to the 2017 Formula One Season?-- RafaelS1979 ( talk) 14:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
The WDC standings have KMag listed as having finished the Russian GP in 13th place, but the WCC standings list him has having finished 12th. I clicked edit, but I don't know how to fix this. Real tlhingan ( talk) 15:54, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
After Barcelona, the points for Toro Rosso and Sauber need to be corrected. The table reflects SAI and WEH correctly after the 5 second penalty, but the points are off by 2 for their teams RobiBuecheler ( talk) 19:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
For the Spanish GP, Wehrlein incurred a 5 second post-race penalty and was classified 8th, being Sainz. The standings are reflecting the race finish order, not the final classification. Real tlhingan ( talk) 21:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
I have a question regarding McLaren and the constructors standings table. Jenson Button, who raced with number 22 from 2014-16, will be participating in the Monaco Grand Prix on the 28th of May. I notice that there is a third "sub-row" as I call it in the constructor's standings for him in the McLaren row already. That's fine, but it lists his car number as 66, not the 22 that he raced with in 2014-16. I would be very interested to see the source for that information, because I have seen nothing from official sources that Jenson Button will in fact be driving with 66 on the nose of his car instead of 22. If there is a legitimate source that does confirm this, that's perfectly ok. I just haven't seen anything about it. Any clarity on this would be greatly appreciated. Adamlast1 ( talk) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The kids must be out of school, there's been A LOT of vandalism this passed day or so. We need page protection so that edits can only be made by registered users. Real tlhingan ( talk) 18:21, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Surely Button shouldn't be listed on the drivers table until he is actually entered for the Monaco race weekend? It was my understanding that this was the case? Surely the note in the "mid-season changes" section should suffice until such time as the FIA have released their entry list which is not normally until a week before the race weekend. Anyway, ignore me if I'm wrong. MetalDylan ( talk) 13:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@ The359 — at the risk of going down completely the wrong avenue, the definition of "participation" is fuzzy. Here we've got Button in the table because he's under contract, but Wehrlein is in the table for Melbourne despite only practicing, and everybody else has raced. The threshold for inclusion in the table is appearing on the entry list on the Thursday before the race, although I think a far more practical definition of "participation" is that they attempted to qualify. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 01:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
List drivers by the rounds they have competed in, with those they as scheduled to compete in in brackets. Thus the entry for Button at the minute would just read (6), Wehrlein would read 1, 3 (4-20). Mjroots ( talk) 14:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
My suggestion is 2-fold, and quite simple:
Real tlhingan ( talk) 05:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
We should not list him before this. Real tlhingan ( talk) 06:04, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Surely it would be more fitting for the picture of Vettel to be the same one as on his page? I think it makes more sense to have him in some kind of Ferrari gear.
Although, he might lead the championship by the end of this weekend, so his picture may soon be gone anyway. MartianDuk ( talk) 13:52, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Apparently some F1 cars were modified following Billy Monger's F4 accident at Donington. Worth mentioning in the article? Mjroots ( talk) 21:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. I want to make Persian (فارسی) version of this page. Sajad.Za ( talk) 08:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
A few months ago, I put forward a proposal that season articles should be renamed as their content only reflected the championship. The proposal was rejected on the grounds that the articles addressed everything that happened in the season, even if the only racing was the World Championship.
Overnight, I added all of the drivers who took part in the post-Hungary test, but @ Tvx1 has since reverted them. My case for including them is as follows:
Therefore, I think we can conclude that test sessions constitute part of the wider season, and thus drivers who took part should be included in the article. If not, then the article is not a "season" article and should be moved as it only focuses on the events of the championship. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 00:45, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
In the Constructors' Standings, Toro Rosso's 10th place is shaded blue (no points), it should be shaded green (non-podium points). Real tlhingan ( talk) 23:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi!
I just noticed that Carlos Sainz's tenth place should be green and not blue. Regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.182.196.165 ( talk) 14:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the Android mobile app this reference/link shows up as not found.
If the link is long pressed & open in a new tab is selected then the page loads properly.
Pictured is the W08 EQ Power+, the car entered by the team in 2017.]]
I'm not a wiki guru so I cannot propose a solution. This may be a bug in the formatting when it comes to the mobile app. Hometheatercalibrator ( talk) 21:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I just noticed mercedes's constructor points in the championship should amount to 475, and not 435. EDIT: Actually I just noticed that no constructors' total points have been updated.
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The map of the 2017 championship is incorrect because of Crimea. According to international law, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. See /info/en/?search=United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262
Please change an image to this file, edited by me previously - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formula_1_all_over_the_world-2017_-_2.svg
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The above-mentioned UN resolution is non-binding and is thus far from representing "international law" as suggested by the single-purpose account (WP:SPA) above. So there is no reason to engage in any dispute here, unless the goal is to discuss controversial subjects in international politics. But since the subject of F1 and of distribution of the Grands Prix around the world is far from international politics, the map simply represents the de-facto status of the territories as it currently stands. The issue raised is a non-issue in the context of the subject this map represents, and this in no way detracts from the main purpose of the map. So apart from engaging in WP:ADVOCACY by the WP:SPA Vaper ( talk| contribs), there is no other reason to change the map as it currently stands. cherkash ( talk) 05:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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Hi there,
Wouldn't it be appropriate to add the free practice drivers from Hungary to make the page as precise as possible?
Source: [1]
Keep up the good work! High-five from Denmark Kasper 217.61.216.164 ( talk) 09:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed that Giovinazzi driving for sauber is included in the driver changes section but is this not *technically* a mid-season change as Wehrlein took part in FP1 and is not part of the permanent driver line-up? Just wanted to get a consensus before making the edit. 83.231.221.26 ( talk) 07:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Pascal Wehrlein, who moved from MRT to replace Felipe Nasr at Sauber,[42] withdrew from the opening rounds of the championship as a precaution after an injury at the Race of Champions interrupted his training regime, prompting concerns that he would not be able to cope with the greater physical demands placed on the drivers by the 2017 generation of cars. As such, 2016 GP2 Series runner-up Antonio Giovinazzi drove for Sauber from the second practice of the opening round in Australia.[16][41] Wehrlein returned to competition at the third race, the Bahrain Grand Prix, with Giovinazzi resuming testing and reserve driving duties.[43]
But the wording of the article doesn't address that at all. You're relying on the reader to make a connection based on a premise is not clearly stated. You cannot simply copy and paste one part of an article into another without making changes to it and expect that there are no issues when the sections you are taking that content from and are adding it to deal with completely different things. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 23:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@ WikiEditorAU: and Prisonermonkeys - there isn't an edit war about to break out, is there? Gasly is contracted, but it is referenced elsewhere in the article that Kvyat will race in USA. Mjroots ( talk) 10:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Something's not lined up properly in the points column. I don't have access to fix it. Real tlhingan ( talk) 22:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The below chart illustrates the (ongoing) cumulative points of championship contenders. It may supplement results by providing a clear visual representation through the races of the season.
It would be great to hear any opinions before making or not making changes. Bamkin ( talk) 01:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Chart illustrating the cumulative point totals of championship contenders Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel and Valtteri Bottas through the 2017 FIA Formula One World Championship season race-by-race.
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81.36.56.146 ( talk) 19:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
At ITN ( Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Formula_One) I've said:
Apart from that there's currently one support, and the nominator's own comment. So it seems quite likely that the above-mentioned couple of paragraphs are all that's needed to get it posted. I don't feel competent to add them myself, but surely some of the editors round here are capable of doing that. Tlhslobus ( talk) 01:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)