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I modified the dates to a 'From date, with no 'To' date (since it isn't clear when/if this is over). 'Ongoing' was restored. How long can we continue to treat these as 'ongoing protests'? Pincrete ( talk) 10:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we have an update?---- ZiaLater ( talk) 21:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
There are protests ongoing in Khuzstan and Isfahan province now https://twitter.com/MAZANDARA/status/979633696599834624 https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/979329832864624640 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.170.189 ( talk) 09:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Should we not also mention the protests going on in Khuzestan by the Arabs over racism and farmers in Isfahan over lack of pay and water? WHile you could argue that the Arabic ones are unrelated to the ones in this article I don't see how the Isfahan ones are not. Since they are mostly ecomonic based and by the Dari-speaking people who largely protested in January. https://twitter.com/IranNewsUpdate1/status/983311148912136194 (Isfahan protests from today 9/4/18) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.189.153 ( talk) 13:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The ayatollahs' love affair with sexism is undeniable.-- 180.180.130.67 ( talk) 12:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Re this in 7th January:
According to a report in Al-Quds Al-Arabi, former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad may have been arrested in Iran and kept under house arrest with the approval of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, for "inciting violence", after he criticized the current government of Iran during the protests. [1]
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The sourcing is not the greatest (also has NY Post quoting A-Q A-A as well as JP above), and surely the arrest would either have been confirmed/disproven by now. Should the text go or be rephrased to reflect that there was no later confirmation? Pincrete ( talk) 21:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
GTVM92: you tend to remove the photos used for the sake of neutrality. It's even worse you fail to say why those photos should be removed. -- Mhhossein talk 12:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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It is still very unclear as to whether there is any connection between the June protests and the winter ones. I suggest for now we should simply list the June ones (as at present) and look for some text to establish what the connection is (if any). I've altered the infobox text to something more tentative (removed first phase 2nd phase - which is pure OR), because a) it is still unclear whether the events are connected BY SOURCES b) it would be completely misleading to say Dec - present, even if June ones turn out to be linked. Pincrete ( talk) 00:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein and Pincrete: Shall we act on the consensus to move the June content? Someone also needs to correct the links but I don't know the original sources. @ GTVM92: Instead of revert wars correct these non-working links. -- Expectant of Light ( talk) 10:51, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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@ Oshwah: As you see the previous consensus on this talk is on keeping this page separate from other incidents unless there are reliable sources connecting them to this subject. This edit is certainly against the consensus. You'd be better check the TP before locking the article. Regards. -- Mhhossein talk 11:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
From December, Iran has faces protests. In all of them, protesters chanted against ruling regime! Why you insist to create different pages?! Maybe protests for water problems of Daravish protests be different, but December, June and now August protests are same. All protests has phases and it's not necessary to create different pages for all. For example, Venezuelan protests (2014–present), 2015–2018 Iraqi protests and also 2009 Iranian presidential election protests. 2009 protests was not continuous but we don't create different pages for it! GTVM92 ( talk) 07:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Anti-government protests by Iranians fed up with their nation's economic woes have spread to 10 major cities, posing the biggest challenge to Iran's Islamist rulers since January's nationwide demonstrations.
This week’s protests are among the largest to hit Iran since a wave of unrest erupted across more than 80 cities in December and January also over the country’s economic woes. At least 25 people were killed during that time and thousands were arrested.
Some protests have taken place sporadically and some have been well-organized, some have been isolated and others spread to several cities near-simultaneously. December and January saw some of the largest protests occurring in around 80 cities all on the same day. During another spike in activity in June, demonstrations even reached Tehran’s Grand Bazaar, a national symbol of Iran and one of the focal points for the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
The demonstrations began in January, when in more than 80 cities, including Tehran, people took to the streets with economic demands and calls for more freedoms. In total, 25 people were killed and more than 4,000 were arrested ... The protests in the ensuing months ...
More sources that are referring to the protests as part of the same movement/issue:
A riot at a religious school in Tehran is the latest in months of anti-government protests by Iranians nationwide. The protesters are angry at water shortages, power cuts and the worsening economy.Al Jazeera
This week’s protests are among the largest to hit Iran since a wave of unrest erupted across more than 80 cities in December and January also over the country’s economic woes.Independent
Iran has seen frequent nationwide street protests this year involving dozens to hundreds and occasionally thousands of people. Protesters have been venting anger toward local and national officials and business leaders they accuse of mismanagement, corruption and oppression.Voa News
The current protests follow unrest in December and January, when at least 25 people were killed in demonstrations that spread to dozens of towns and cities.Arab News
Thoughts? Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 00:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Gives the sources presented above treating the current August protests (as well as interim protests) as a continuation of Dec/Jan - should we combine? Please indicate Support or Oppose. Pinging participants: @ GTVM92, HistoryofIran, Mhhossein, Stefka Bulgaria, and Pincrete:. Icewhiz ( talk) 12:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Scare quotes "may indicate that the author is using someone else's term". "Staged", which is not actually quoted, needs to be removed per MOS:SCAREQUOTES. -- Mhhossein talk 16:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
"Staged" pro-government rallies continued in the following daysis very different from stating
Pro-government rallies continued in the following days. It has nothing to do with "scarequoting" as the source is trying to tell us that the demonstration was "Stage", which is very different from non-staged demonstrations. The title of the article is "Iran stages pro-government rallies, derides Trump 'blunder' at U.N.", so that tells us that the pro-government rallies were "staged" (this telling us that the rallies were fixed, and needs to be described as such). Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 21:50, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
US politicians expressing vocal support for the aims of the protesters (retrospectively) - is not the same as the US giving tangible aid to protesters, which inclusion in the infobox under 'party to the civil conflict' implies. Pincrete ( talk) 10:39, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I have just reverted a page move since it is unclear that the original protests continue into 2019.
I also question whether much of the late 2018 material is relevant/related. In any country at any time somebody is probably protesting about something - but not every protest in Iran automatically relates to the original anti-gov protests that the article is ostensibly about.
Thoughts? Pincrete ( talk) 16:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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I modified the dates to a 'From date, with no 'To' date (since it isn't clear when/if this is over). 'Ongoing' was restored. How long can we continue to treat these as 'ongoing protests'? Pincrete ( talk) 10:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we have an update?---- ZiaLater ( talk) 21:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
There are protests ongoing in Khuzstan and Isfahan province now https://twitter.com/MAZANDARA/status/979633696599834624 https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/979329832864624640 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.170.189 ( talk) 09:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Should we not also mention the protests going on in Khuzestan by the Arabs over racism and farmers in Isfahan over lack of pay and water? WHile you could argue that the Arabic ones are unrelated to the ones in this article I don't see how the Isfahan ones are not. Since they are mostly ecomonic based and by the Dari-speaking people who largely protested in January. https://twitter.com/IranNewsUpdate1/status/983311148912136194 (Isfahan protests from today 9/4/18) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.189.153 ( talk) 13:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The ayatollahs' love affair with sexism is undeniable.-- 180.180.130.67 ( talk) 12:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Re this in 7th January:
According to a report in Al-Quds Al-Arabi, former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad may have been arrested in Iran and kept under house arrest with the approval of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, for "inciting violence", after he criticized the current government of Iran during the protests. [1]
References
The sourcing is not the greatest (also has NY Post quoting A-Q A-A as well as JP above), and surely the arrest would either have been confirmed/disproven by now. Should the text go or be rephrased to reflect that there was no later confirmation? Pincrete ( talk) 21:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
GTVM92: you tend to remove the photos used for the sake of neutrality. It's even worse you fail to say why those photos should be removed. -- Mhhossein talk 12:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
It is still very unclear as to whether there is any connection between the June protests and the winter ones. I suggest for now we should simply list the June ones (as at present) and look for some text to establish what the connection is (if any). I've altered the infobox text to something more tentative (removed first phase 2nd phase - which is pure OR), because a) it is still unclear whether the events are connected BY SOURCES b) it would be completely misleading to say Dec - present, even if June ones turn out to be linked. Pincrete ( talk) 00:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein and Pincrete: Shall we act on the consensus to move the June content? Someone also needs to correct the links but I don't know the original sources. @ GTVM92: Instead of revert wars correct these non-working links. -- Expectant of Light ( talk) 10:51, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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@ Oshwah: As you see the previous consensus on this talk is on keeping this page separate from other incidents unless there are reliable sources connecting them to this subject. This edit is certainly against the consensus. You'd be better check the TP before locking the article. Regards. -- Mhhossein talk 11:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
From December, Iran has faces protests. In all of them, protesters chanted against ruling regime! Why you insist to create different pages?! Maybe protests for water problems of Daravish protests be different, but December, June and now August protests are same. All protests has phases and it's not necessary to create different pages for all. For example, Venezuelan protests (2014–present), 2015–2018 Iraqi protests and also 2009 Iranian presidential election protests. 2009 protests was not continuous but we don't create different pages for it! GTVM92 ( talk) 07:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Anti-government protests by Iranians fed up with their nation's economic woes have spread to 10 major cities, posing the biggest challenge to Iran's Islamist rulers since January's nationwide demonstrations.
This week’s protests are among the largest to hit Iran since a wave of unrest erupted across more than 80 cities in December and January also over the country’s economic woes. At least 25 people were killed during that time and thousands were arrested.
Some protests have taken place sporadically and some have been well-organized, some have been isolated and others spread to several cities near-simultaneously. December and January saw some of the largest protests occurring in around 80 cities all on the same day. During another spike in activity in June, demonstrations even reached Tehran’s Grand Bazaar, a national symbol of Iran and one of the focal points for the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
The demonstrations began in January, when in more than 80 cities, including Tehran, people took to the streets with economic demands and calls for more freedoms. In total, 25 people were killed and more than 4,000 were arrested ... The protests in the ensuing months ...
More sources that are referring to the protests as part of the same movement/issue:
A riot at a religious school in Tehran is the latest in months of anti-government protests by Iranians nationwide. The protesters are angry at water shortages, power cuts and the worsening economy.Al Jazeera
This week’s protests are among the largest to hit Iran since a wave of unrest erupted across more than 80 cities in December and January also over the country’s economic woes.Independent
Iran has seen frequent nationwide street protests this year involving dozens to hundreds and occasionally thousands of people. Protesters have been venting anger toward local and national officials and business leaders they accuse of mismanagement, corruption and oppression.Voa News
The current protests follow unrest in December and January, when at least 25 people were killed in demonstrations that spread to dozens of towns and cities.Arab News
Thoughts? Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 00:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Gives the sources presented above treating the current August protests (as well as interim protests) as a continuation of Dec/Jan - should we combine? Please indicate Support or Oppose. Pinging participants: @ GTVM92, HistoryofIran, Mhhossein, Stefka Bulgaria, and Pincrete:. Icewhiz ( talk) 12:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Scare quotes "may indicate that the author is using someone else's term". "Staged", which is not actually quoted, needs to be removed per MOS:SCAREQUOTES. -- Mhhossein talk 16:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
"Staged" pro-government rallies continued in the following daysis very different from stating
Pro-government rallies continued in the following days. It has nothing to do with "scarequoting" as the source is trying to tell us that the demonstration was "Stage", which is very different from non-staged demonstrations. The title of the article is "Iran stages pro-government rallies, derides Trump 'blunder' at U.N.", so that tells us that the pro-government rallies were "staged" (this telling us that the rallies were fixed, and needs to be described as such). Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 21:50, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
US politicians expressing vocal support for the aims of the protesters (retrospectively) - is not the same as the US giving tangible aid to protesters, which inclusion in the infobox under 'party to the civil conflict' implies. Pincrete ( talk) 10:39, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I have just reverted a page move since it is unclear that the original protests continue into 2019.
I also question whether much of the late 2018 material is relevant/related. In any country at any time somebody is probably protesting about something - but not every protest in Iran automatically relates to the original anti-gov protests that the article is ostensibly about.
Thoughts? Pincrete ( talk) 16:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)