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I feel like this would be better if it were restricted to 2016, but expanded to include the entirety of the Turkish purge. Soldiers, judiciary, police. That would allow large swaths to me moved from there to here, and this to link into the 2016 coup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollth ( talk • contribs) 13:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, looks like overwhelming oppose will prevent this. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 16:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
2016 Turkish purges → 2016 Turkish counter-coup d'état – The original coup is speculated to be a false flag operation like the Reichstag fire, and the purge has been described (by BBC) as a counter-coup. 124.49.117.100 ( talk) 07:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, below is an easy-to-read a draft summary of the couter-coup. Feel free to detail and source it before we add it into the article.
Group | jailed | suspended |
---|---|---|
Military | ~6.000 | ? |
Judiciary | ~3.000 | ? |
Education | -- | +30.000 |
Total | 10000 | 30000 |
Yug (talk) 09:04, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA The lists were already prepared.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 14:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has already proven himself a bona-fide megalomaniac. His rhetoric and his actions speak for themselves. His new "presidential palace," built on what was all but sacred ground, is an insane monument to ego. His government has been shown to be funding ISIS. His campaign against those who campaign against corruption shows us exactly who he is. Aside from all of this, if anyone knows how to stage a coup, it's the Turkish military. They've got the experience and have never failed. But this time, we are supposed to believe it was a total debacle from its first minutes, instantly followed by thousands of targeted arrests???
Everywhere the word "coup" appears regarding descriptions of this nightmare, and it is a nightmare to those now suffering from it, should be preceded by the word "alleged." Erdoğan has very high hopes. It's too easy to imagine his dearest dream coming true, becoming the Ottoman's latest Sultan. I don't even want to think about what would come after that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.215.236.176 ( talk) 17:30, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Ahnoneemoos:, probably right that Erdogan isn't the best fit for the lead, what about this pic? It's apparently taken during the protests, and seems fairly neutral. It's not the most relevant pic imaginable, but the article is currently a desert as far as images go. TimothyJosephWood 12:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
It might be better to define 'purged' in the article's lead. Does 'purged' mean they were killed? Or simply dismissed from their roles? The article does not make clear. Uhlan talk 01:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Currently, the images in the article are of a protest against the coup, and a Turkish Court house. If there are going to be images in this article, they should be of the actual purge/arrests. Or somthing more directly related to the actual purge (as opposed to a protest against the coup which belongs in the article about the coup). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaakovaryeh ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I added an infobox for clarity sake (when on IP, my apologizes). As my first infobox, I welcomes review and helps on it. -- Yug (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
It's a biased and not a fair link, just a comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bidursimdi ( talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Much of the human rights concerns are sourced from one Amnesty International documents. A broader set of sources would be useful. We should also make it clear that the allegations are in Amnesty's (or the press's, or the Western press's, etc...) voice.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough,
19:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC).
That is an unsubstantiated allegation by the Turkish government, which has not yet provided evidence that this is any different from Stalin's Great Purge or the response to the Reichstag Fire. Right now, it is just a purge of alleged Gulenists. User:VirginiaNorseman — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirginianNorseman ( talk • contribs) 04:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
A massive cut have been done to the lead section. I'am not sure, but it may be politically motivated. Yug 17:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
I strongly object to a "civil conflict" infobox being used for this article. The events covered in this article do not fall under the definition of a civil conflict. There is no conflict and none of the categories in the infobox are valid for this event. If any infobox is to be used, the historical event infobox would be far more appropriate. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 22:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
According to the Prime Minister Binali Yildirim :
Turkey launches mass raids against 'Gulen-linked' businesses, Aug 18, 2016.
This means "The purges involved by the dismissal, detention or suspension of over 67,000 125.000 officials". --
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Should the date be "ongoing" or "present"? Because other articles such as Battle of Mosul (2016–present) and War in Donbass use the latter.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 03:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) TonyBallioni ( talk) 04:35, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
2016–17 Turkish purges →
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On July 19 2018 the state of emergency was announced over. The last bulk of dismissals occurred before that date. Purge technically over. Update as necessary if further dismissals are reported. So far 0 dismissals since last month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjdabi ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Feel free to restore the sources you feel adds up to the purge. Individual arrests of person related to terror charges have been taking place long before 2016. Hence not a part of purge. Dismissals which comprised the purge have ended over a month. No reason to keep the article as purge on going. Any further dismissals occur then update as on going. Marjdabi ( talk) 17:21, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
What does it have to do with my thoughts. Do you report a source even if its spreading false information? Also the biased picture you've added, "the devils child" has no explanation to being there. This is an encyclopedia not a pro Western forum. Marjdabi ( talk) 18:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Tobby72, thanks for your vigilance on this article and preventing its pushy renaming. It is pretty clear that the purge is a long term phenomenon going on with periodic mass purges and precises dissidents arrests for already 24 months. Having one month or two, or event 4, is not enough to consider the purges closed. Current governments has managed to maintain state of emergency levels of controls, with submissive judiciary, submissive army, submissive polices. 2014 anonymous-and-paid denunciation laws are still in effect. Abusive and politically motivated arrest still occurs. Marjdabi, thanks to not rename this page without a clear consensus on the talk page. As I'am one of the 3 main authors of this article, I will from now monitor this naming issue so no abusive renaming occurs. Yug (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
-- Yug (talk) 23:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
link-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 23:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/01/17/turkey-state-emergency-ends-not-repression Yug (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I noticed the Nightwatchmen system have been reactivated in 2016 and is biffed up, with criticism and fear of building a Basij-like morality police. I tried to prestructure the section, with history, equipment, authority. More sources review and content to gather here. Will likely need an article later on. Also, as hot 2020-new, the force is proposed by the government to be a way to increase public works in the face of the pandemic. These job, tho, are offered to AKP Youth members, according to one source, which is a de factor clientelism/ prebendalism approach (personal analysis). Yug (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Yug (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
The phrases and concepts looked for were dialogue, respect for human beings, the golden generation, horizon man, hope and dedication.[177] This sentence in under Fetometer title does not comply with the principle Wikipedia:Neutral point of view needs to remove. İsyankar18 ( talk) 07:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Moved, as an uncontested technical request. Any objection within a reasonable time frame should see the move reverted. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 20:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Purges in Turkey (2016–present) → Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt – Unlikely to ever get a definitive "end" to these purges; renaming at least clarifies the scope. Would also be fine with something like "Purges in Turkey of the Gülen movement". Elli ( talk | contribs) 19:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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I feel like this would be better if it were restricted to 2016, but expanded to include the entirety of the Turkish purge. Soldiers, judiciary, police. That would allow large swaths to me moved from there to here, and this to link into the 2016 coup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollth ( talk • contribs) 13:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, looks like overwhelming oppose will prevent this. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 16:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
2016 Turkish purges → 2016 Turkish counter-coup d'état – The original coup is speculated to be a false flag operation like the Reichstag fire, and the purge has been described (by BBC) as a counter-coup. 124.49.117.100 ( talk) 07:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, below is an easy-to-read a draft summary of the couter-coup. Feel free to detail and source it before we add it into the article.
Group | jailed | suspended |
---|---|---|
Military | ~6.000 | ? |
Judiciary | ~3.000 | ? |
Education | -- | +30.000 |
Total | 10000 | 30000 |
Yug (talk) 09:04, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA The lists were already prepared.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 14:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has already proven himself a bona-fide megalomaniac. His rhetoric and his actions speak for themselves. His new "presidential palace," built on what was all but sacred ground, is an insane monument to ego. His government has been shown to be funding ISIS. His campaign against those who campaign against corruption shows us exactly who he is. Aside from all of this, if anyone knows how to stage a coup, it's the Turkish military. They've got the experience and have never failed. But this time, we are supposed to believe it was a total debacle from its first minutes, instantly followed by thousands of targeted arrests???
Everywhere the word "coup" appears regarding descriptions of this nightmare, and it is a nightmare to those now suffering from it, should be preceded by the word "alleged." Erdoğan has very high hopes. It's too easy to imagine his dearest dream coming true, becoming the Ottoman's latest Sultan. I don't even want to think about what would come after that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.215.236.176 ( talk) 17:30, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Ahnoneemoos:, probably right that Erdogan isn't the best fit for the lead, what about this pic? It's apparently taken during the protests, and seems fairly neutral. It's not the most relevant pic imaginable, but the article is currently a desert as far as images go. TimothyJosephWood 12:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
It might be better to define 'purged' in the article's lead. Does 'purged' mean they were killed? Or simply dismissed from their roles? The article does not make clear. Uhlan talk 01:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Currently, the images in the article are of a protest against the coup, and a Turkish Court house. If there are going to be images in this article, they should be of the actual purge/arrests. Or somthing more directly related to the actual purge (as opposed to a protest against the coup which belongs in the article about the coup). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaakovaryeh ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I added an infobox for clarity sake (when on IP, my apologizes). As my first infobox, I welcomes review and helps on it. -- Yug (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
It's a biased and not a fair link, just a comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bidursimdi ( talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Much of the human rights concerns are sourced from one Amnesty International documents. A broader set of sources would be useful. We should also make it clear that the allegations are in Amnesty's (or the press's, or the Western press's, etc...) voice.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough,
19:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC).
That is an unsubstantiated allegation by the Turkish government, which has not yet provided evidence that this is any different from Stalin's Great Purge or the response to the Reichstag Fire. Right now, it is just a purge of alleged Gulenists. User:VirginiaNorseman — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirginianNorseman ( talk • contribs) 04:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
A massive cut have been done to the lead section. I'am not sure, but it may be politically motivated. Yug 17:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
I strongly object to a "civil conflict" infobox being used for this article. The events covered in this article do not fall under the definition of a civil conflict. There is no conflict and none of the categories in the infobox are valid for this event. If any infobox is to be used, the historical event infobox would be far more appropriate. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 22:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
According to the Prime Minister Binali Yildirim :
Turkey launches mass raids against 'Gulen-linked' businesses, Aug 18, 2016.
This means "The purges involved by the dismissal, detention or suspension of over 67,000 125.000 officials". --
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Should the date be "ongoing" or "present"? Because other articles such as Battle of Mosul (2016–present) and War in Donbass use the latter.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 03:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) TonyBallioni ( talk) 04:35, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
2016–17 Turkish purges →
2016–17 purges in Turkey – In order to have a clearer meaning there should be country's name instead of adjective in the title (adjective "Turkish" can also refer to Turkish people in Germany, for example).
I propose
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On July 19 2018 the state of emergency was announced over. The last bulk of dismissals occurred before that date. Purge technically over. Update as necessary if further dismissals are reported. So far 0 dismissals since last month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjdabi ( talk • contribs) 17:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Feel free to restore the sources you feel adds up to the purge. Individual arrests of person related to terror charges have been taking place long before 2016. Hence not a part of purge. Dismissals which comprised the purge have ended over a month. No reason to keep the article as purge on going. Any further dismissals occur then update as on going. Marjdabi ( talk) 17:21, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
What does it have to do with my thoughts. Do you report a source even if its spreading false information? Also the biased picture you've added, "the devils child" has no explanation to being there. This is an encyclopedia not a pro Western forum. Marjdabi ( talk) 18:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Tobby72, thanks for your vigilance on this article and preventing its pushy renaming. It is pretty clear that the purge is a long term phenomenon going on with periodic mass purges and precises dissidents arrests for already 24 months. Having one month or two, or event 4, is not enough to consider the purges closed. Current governments has managed to maintain state of emergency levels of controls, with submissive judiciary, submissive army, submissive polices. 2014 anonymous-and-paid denunciation laws are still in effect. Abusive and politically motivated arrest still occurs. Marjdabi, thanks to not rename this page without a clear consensus on the talk page. As I'am one of the 3 main authors of this article, I will from now monitor this naming issue so no abusive renaming occurs. Yug (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
-- Yug (talk) 23:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
link-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 23:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/01/17/turkey-state-emergency-ends-not-repression Yug (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I noticed the Nightwatchmen system have been reactivated in 2016 and is biffed up, with criticism and fear of building a Basij-like morality police. I tried to prestructure the section, with history, equipment, authority. More sources review and content to gather here. Will likely need an article later on. Also, as hot 2020-new, the force is proposed by the government to be a way to increase public works in the face of the pandemic. These job, tho, are offered to AKP Youth members, according to one source, which is a de factor clientelism/ prebendalism approach (personal analysis). Yug (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Yug (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
The phrases and concepts looked for were dialogue, respect for human beings, the golden generation, horizon man, hope and dedication.[177] This sentence in under Fetometer title does not comply with the principle Wikipedia:Neutral point of view needs to remove. İsyankar18 ( talk) 07:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Moved, as an uncontested technical request. Any objection within a reasonable time frame should see the move reverted. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 20:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Purges in Turkey (2016–present) → Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt – Unlikely to ever get a definitive "end" to these purges; renaming at least clarifies the scope. Would also be fine with something like "Purges in Turkey of the Gülen movement". Elli ( talk | contribs) 19:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)