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"The explosions took place the day after the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, prime suspect in the 2015 Paris attacks."
This purports a connection, but that is pure speculation. For all we know it could be a coincidence. I don't think it belongs in the lead yet; at least not until prominent sources specifically link them. Bataaf van Oranje ( talk) 08:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article says "Belgium's Interior Ministry announced that the terror level in the country would be raised to the highest level following the attacks."
The source article says "raised the nation's terror alert to its maximum level" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.9.10 ( talk) 10:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article doesn't yet mention that multiple explosions took place at Maelbeek metro station but this BBC live feed [1] @ 10:53 indicates that controlled explosions also took place. Is this important enough, and sourced enough to add into the article? CaptRik ( talk) 11:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
This has a lot of useful info. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
American Airlines has said it was not at their ticket counter: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/american-airlines-rebuffs-brussels-blast-reports-as-shares-fall-34-2016-03-22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.101.126.53 ( talk) 14:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I've removed a few of these in the last 30mins or so purely to keep the article neutral until an official confirmation and source is provided confirming the links. I think we all know this is likely to happen but we don't have to be in a rush to put this in while unconfirmed.
I'm happy to be overruled though and stop removing them if we get consensus here, so feel free to discuss and provide sources. CaptRik ( talk) 14:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll probably look like an idiot for writing this...at present the word "bombing" is unverifiable as per title. The more neutral "explosions" is being used. Probably won't need to be moved in about 6 hours, though. Gareth E. Kegg ( talk) 07:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
"March 2013 Brussels attacks" might make sense, as per November 2015 Paris attacks. 81.108.18.234 ( talk) 15:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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I want to include Swedish reaction. http://www.news24.com/World/News/brussels-blasts-attack-against-democratic-europe-swedish-pm-20160322 Canome ( talk) 13:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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Also, the Swedish Head of State, the King of Sweden: http://www.kungahuset.se/kungafamiljen/aktuellahandelser/aktuellt/kungenomhandelsernaibryssel.5.274e83ca152f4410091324c.html
213.89.166.161 ( talk) 14:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Jd52102: renamed back with "bombings", please see other attack bombing/attack pages, none uses capitalization for "attack"/"bombing" (e.g. International reactions to the Charlie Hebdo shooting, International reactions to the November 2015 Paris attack, International reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks, etc.) Spirit Ethanol ( talk) 15:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I can't edit the article, but can someone put the type of weapon in the infobox (Bombs with TATP explosives)? Thanks-- Stefanvh96 ( talk) 17:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The Schuman metro station article says another bomb went off in the Schuman metro station after the one in the Maelbeek/Maalbeek metro station. Is this a mistake? Abductive ( reasoning) 18:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll look in to it. 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 19:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It has been dismissed. 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 19:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 01:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:26, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Updated sources:
Brussels airport - cops found a a Kalashnikov assault rifle. A nail bomb was found in a suspect's house. [17]
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Eventually, when we know more, we'll have to say this (from the Brussels article): Brussels has a large concentration of Muslims, mostly of Turkish and Moroccan ancestry. Belgium does not collect statistics by ethnic background, so exact figures are unknown. It was estimated that in 2005 people of Muslim background account for 25.5% of Brussels' population, a much higher concentration than those of the other regions of Belgium. [1] Raquel Baranow ( talk) 14:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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@ The ed17: I don't really see the "International reactions" section as violating WP:NOTNEWS. There are many similar articles (e.g. International reactions to the Charlie Hebdo shooting, International reactions to the November 2015 Paris attack, International reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks, etc.) that talk about international reactions to something. epicgenius ( talk) 14:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Move content to International reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
See also: The "Thanks" section at Talk:Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings re: the necessity of similar "reaction" articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Can someone update the nationalities of the dead and injured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.176.187.165 ( talk) 14:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Can someone please update the nationalities of the Westerners of none Arab or Islamic descent or heritage, murdered by these hate filled individuals. Please do not remove my inquiry. Please do no sanitize, sterilize, or remove or attempt to shape this question in support of the murderers or what ever their deranged ideology is rather than those innocents who were butchered in the bombing, until we have details of the victims origins. We are concerned about our fellow countrymen here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.176.187.165 ( talk) 16:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia still refers to the terrorist group Daesh as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Please do not change it to Daesh; this is a name commonly used by the media, and, as I have said before, it is not the name used within its Wikipedia article. Best, -- Ches (talk) (contribs) 17:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It is blatantly false that "Wikipedia" refers to the Islamic State terrorist organisation as "daesh" (the French government's politically correct term) or as "isis" (the U.S. government's politically correct term). Most of the Wikipedia avoids being servile to the U.S. and French governments and call the Islamic State what the Islamic State calls itself:
Spanish Wikipedia: Estado Islámico
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Islámico
Italian Wikipedia: Stato Islamico
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stato_Islamico
German Wikipedia: Islamischer Staat (Organisation)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamischer_Staat_(Organisation)
French Wikipedia: État islamique (organisation)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/État_islamique_(organisation)
It is well known, for instance, that the BBC calls the Islamic State "Islamic State," for example.
http://www.bbc.com/news/24758587
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Currently the article reads "Najim Laachraoui (correct spelling: Necim Laachrawi....)"; a google search of "Necim Laachrawi" returns no result at all, so where does this "correct spelling" come from? Sofeshue ( talk) 14:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
There's another suspect involved with the Metro bombing. [2] Please add to the infobox. 199.195.226.171 ( talk) 17:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Most media reports about the so-called deportation are inaccurate. The Dutch parliament was supposed to have a debate about it, but the letter from the government arrived late. In short, the letter says:
So in contrast to what the article claims, there were no warnings, neither was Ibrahim "released" by the Dutch authorities: he arrived in Amsterdam as a normal passenger and there was no contact with the Dutch police services. The letter from minister van der Steur: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/content/documents/2016/03/24/brief_steur.pdf Prevalence 01:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@ LowSelfEstidle: I'm not sure if the perpetrators' dates of birth really add much to our knowledge of the event. Firebrace ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
This is easily misunderstood. The fighters of the second sentence have nothing to do with the intervention of the first sentence, in fact, they fight on the other side. AxelBoldt ( talk) 18:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ WWGB: I would like to know why you removed the November 2015 Paris attacks template. It's been judged to have some connection to those attacks because some Brussels suspects were also involved in the planning stages. Also, I did try to remove the Brussels bombings from the template, only for that to be reverted, so I'm assuming it's important enough to be included in that template. Parsley Man ( talk) 21:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
In the article is stated that Belgium provides most foreign fighters (citate needed); the correct way is saying most fighters per capita. Source: ICSR (through BBC : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35870957) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.205.106.92 ( talk) 22:05, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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The names of the brothers have been confused. "Khalid died in one of the suicide bombings at Brussels Airport, while Ibrahim committed the bombing at the metro station, in which he also died." should be changed to "Ibrahim died in one of the suicide bombings at Brussels Airport, while Khalid committed the bombing at the metro station, in which he also died." Allmogen ( talk) 00:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Done Source says: "The siblings were identified Wednesday by prosecutors in Belgium who said Ibrahim, 30, detonated a bomb at Brussels Airport while Khalid, 27, blew himself up in the city's subway system." Thanks.
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The procuror reported today around noon that no evidence of any gun/rifle was found, see https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_attenats-de-bruxelles-et-paris-un-suspect-interpelle-a-anderlecht?id=9249575 ("Frédéric Van Leeuw confirme également qu'aucune arme de guerre n'a été trouvée à l'aéroport." -> "Frédéric Van Leeuw also confirmed that no war weapon was found at the airport."). Please remove the references about those. 217.136.252.185 ( talk) 22:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Timeline says "8:15 am : threat level raised to max". I understand the timeline is local time. The reference for that piece of info speaks in UTC, making it 9:15 instead of 8:15 for the increase of threat level. This is mirrored by Belgian sources who say 9:15 local time. 217.136.252.185 ( talk) 00:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure it was 30 people who died in the Brussels attack not 31. Hs2107 ( talk) 21:03, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not saying for definite it was 30, I thought it was at first, these articles about the Brussels attacks say figures such as at least as 30 [3], I did presume that when it said at least 30 I thought it was exactly 30, but maybe not since this article says 31 [4]. Hs2107 ( talk) 09:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
March 16 article here says so: [1]
"Police in Brussels hunting terror suspects linked to last November's ISIS massacre in Paris earlier detained two men after a dramatic raid on an apartment in which the Algerian accomplice was killed and four officers were wounded.
All three of those arrested or killed are thought to have links to the deadly ISIS-inspired attacks on the French capital, which left 130 dead.
At a press conference this morning, the prosecutor said one of the detained men had been arrested after arriving at a Brussels hospital with a broken leg.
Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.
The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area"
Both are named in this March 16 article. They were apparently arrested, then released, even though authorities had been looking for them after the raid. 45.72.144.60 ( talk) 03:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)Toto
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Should the King of Belgium's address to the people after the attack be added here? It's on the response to brussels bombing attack, but I feel like It shouldn't be lumped together with all the other responses from heads of states. 2602:306:CD3C:CB70:A06B:DC03:6823:14CF ( talk) 11:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I believe we should try to keep the timeline in this article short and concise, like the one in the November 2015 Paris attacks-article, but instead of deleting relevant details, I think we should move them into a new article. The article can be called " Timeline of the 2016 Brussels bombings", and will look like the Timeline of the 2005 London bombings-article. WP:PROSPLIT recommends a "Split" discussion, so, is it ok to split the timeline, leaving only the most relevant part of the timeline her? Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I've deleted 8:00, 8:40, 11:50, 13:36 and 13:57, and removed the auto-hidden option. Erlbaeko ( talk) 07:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Is the location of the bombing in the airport correct? Standaard.be mentiones one near the Starbucks/British/Brussels Airlines (these are very close to each other), and the other one in the other departure hall. Looking at the images, It seems Standaard is correct. http://s3.standaardcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2016/03/22/160322_DS4_Zaventem.jpg?maxheight=416&maxwidth=568&format=jpg 2A02:1810:9420:2E00:206D:4435:2710:5E1F ( talk) 22:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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This shows that the comment below is not a reaction but independently thought of and thought to be of concern.
infobox coordinates is original research and not wikipedia compliant
The infobox has coordinates. This seems to be original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia. I looked up the references and the BBC News article doesn't give the coordinates.
I suggest removing the coordinates but identifying the spot as much as we know. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Can an editor who works on terrorism-related topics take a look at this new page that discusses the dead in last week's Brussels bombings as casualties not of ISIL terrorism but, rather, as Casualties of the Military intervention against ISIL. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 01:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Just bringing this page to editors attention to query if it should be merged or re-directed here. Ibrahim el-Bakraoui and Khalid el-Bakraoui already re-direct here. -- 220 of Borg 09:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Год назад, когда произошли теракты в редакции "Шарли Эбдо", эта новость застала меня в Донецке, где как раз началось самое серьезное обострение со времен первого "Минска", которое я в тогдашнем репортаже охарактеризовал как "кровавое Рождество": каждый день горели дома, каждый день гибли люди. Но вся Европа вешала на себя ленточки с надписью "Я Шарли!". Шарли назвал себя и президент Украины, на чьих руках крови в тот момент было уже поболее, чем на руках всех террористов, когда-либо что-то взрывавших в Европе вместе взятых. И европейские лидеры жали эти руки.
http://ren.tv/blog/84346 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.104.198.164 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Пожалуйста, обсудите в русской википедии
Translation: Please discuss this in the Russian language Wikipedia. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 17:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Please correct the casualty figures. 28 victims, with 3 suicide bombers, equals a total of 31 people dead.
This is stated in the following CNN article: "The rally was set to mark the terror attacks that killed 28 people from various nations. (Belgian authorities said Saturday that the widely reported death toll of 31 included the three suicide attackers, putting the victims' tally at 28.)" Link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/europe/brussels-investigation-main/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.109.238 ( talk) 18:51, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I have found 3 errors and a 4th imprecise statement. Please be careful when editing! Thank you. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 02:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC) ~ Found and corrected more errors. Please be careful. There are probably several more errors. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 02:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The pace of improvement of this article isn't like some articles which a lot of editors fix up right away as soon as the news breaks. Therefore, I ask that you keep the following things in mind because I do not want to enter a battleground right now.
1. There should be improved summarizing of the events as they happen. Too often, the prose on Wikipedia is similar to "On 6 June, this happened". Next paragraph, "On 8 June, that happened>"
2. Some specific info that is breaking news. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/world/europe/brussels-attacks.html?_r=0 Police Misidentify Suspect as Brussels Airport Attacker
3. Try to settle the contentious names. Some settled matters in Wikipedia is that both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China on Taiwan claim the name of China. Wikipedia should be neutral even though the People's Republic of China has been very aggressive and successful to get many people to think of them as China. Another matter is the Flemish/French names, such as Maalbeek/Maelbeek. There, the French speakers have been able to push their way with the American audience due to a greater number of French speakers in the U.S. and few Flemish speakers. However, we should abide by the Wikipedia rule to be as neutral as possible. Luckily, the Irish question is not a part of this article.
3. The airport bombing is a little short on details. Location of bombs, how it affected the airport (Brussels Airlines started a hub in Liege, Antwerpen/Anvers, Frankfurt, and Zurch). Jet Airways is ending its hub at Brussels early as a result. They are leaving town, in other words.
4. The metro bombing details are a little short compared to the terrorists' bios.
5. There should be more free use photos, if at all possible.
6. Consider having an infobox on the dead at the airport and the dead at the metro station. It is not clear now.
7. The number of dead should be consistent in the article. This is different info in the article versus the infoboxes. 34, 35, 38, etc.
Good luck! I am not here to debate so take these suggestions if you agree, but do not take advantage of me not being here to criticize them. If you don't like them, just let it go.
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 20:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The Belgian authorities have lowered the victim death toll to 32 not including the 3 murderers. Link - http://news.yahoo.com/belgium-resumes-hunt-airport-suspect-criticism-mounts-004723635.html;_ylt=A0LEVy031fpW2TIAyaJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNmJjZWttBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE3OTJfMQRzZWMDc2M
"Hours after the attack the French-language hashtag #JeSuisBruxelles (#IamBrussels), the Dutch-language #ikwilhelpen (#iwanttohelp)[96] and images of the Belgian comic character Tintin crying trended on social media sites."
This seems like trivial information that should be removed. It doesn't give any context as to why it's important to the bombings. If this occured before the time of Twitter, it would be akin to claiming "news of the attack was a much-talked about topic among nearby residents". The Tintin story is rather odd. I would normally be bold, but these highly visible articles have a habit of attracting a "keep everything" mentality as well as 1RR. Jolly Ω Janner 05:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
So, the 5 or 6 citations for the above statement currently included in the article (overcite much?) seem to be all based on editorial articles on what otherwise may or may not be WP:RS. Funny, in other articles the WP:Police always seems to show up in a nano-second to delete/expunge/obliterate/nuke-from-orbit anything and everything unless it comes straight up strictly from the "news" section. Never mind of course that the reason why the Brussels attacks are of interest is that these were Islamic State (IS) attacks on Westerners, a subject that tends to resonate more with Western audiences than, say, the old Kurd-Turk ethnic war. XavierItzm ( talk) 13:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
UKIP 'used' the Brussels Attacks to Make Brexit Case. Nigel Farage is called "shameful" by David Cameron for using the Brussels attacks to make the case for the UK to leave the European Union. Mike Hookem said the attacks illustrated that freedom of movement in the bloc was a 'security threat'. UKIP called for the ethnic cleansing of all immigrants, the closure of all borders and leavening the EU. [1] [2] [1] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [6] [8] [1] [4] [9] [2] [2] [1] [10] 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 02:48, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Add to the end of section "Background" a sentence summarizing this article, https://www.yahoo.com/news/belgian-suspects-lawyer-plans-action-against-prosecutor-111632455.html.
Example: The captured suspect, Salah Abdeslam, confessed to authorities about planned attack in Brussels for which he had several weapons.
Add Salah Abdeslam ( /info/en/?search=Salah_Abdeslam) to "See Also". klubalj ( talk) 19:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
8 French were injured in the bombing. Shouldn't a table be created detailing the nationalities?
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2016/03/22/97001-20160322FILWWW00331-attentats-de-bruxelles-8-francais-blesses.php?link_time=1458673668#xtor=AL-155-[facebook] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanvh96 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Yep! 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:15, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
A number of countries, national leaders and international organisations expressed comments or lit monuments in reaction to the 2016 Brussels bombings. 79.77.214.236 ( talk) 17:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Nation. | Dead. | Wounded. |
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Peru | 1 [1] | |
Morocco | 1 [2] | |
USA | 2 [3] | 13-15 [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] |
Turkey | 1 [11] | |
UK | 2-4 [12] [13] [14] | |
Italy | 3 [15] | |
Colombia | 2 [16] [17] | |
India | 2 [18] | |
Ecuador | 1 [19] | |
Belgium | 1 [20] | |
France | 1 [21] | 8-11 [22] [23] [24] |
Netherlands | 2 [25] | |
Unknown | 24 | Circa ~220 |
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79.77.214.236 ( talk) 15:45, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
It would be useful to know nationalities at the metro station. Were they all Belgian? Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
There are many reliable sources about American missionaries, relative of former U.S. Ambassador, etc. Surprisingly, unlike many Wikipedia article, not in this article. If you want proof that it is in other Wikipedia article, then look. Not hard to find. I am not looking for a long list, merely some people that were covered somewhat extensively in the press. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I've checked several sources (RPT, CNN, The Guardian and even Buzzfeed) and it seems there are no Swiss deaths. Maybe once all the nationalities are released, we can update/correct the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.188.59.122 ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I have just added this image to show the location of the station in the subtitle Maelbeek/Maalbeek metro station, but was removed by the user without consensus (and left no comment at his talk page), and only the argument is no English-language text (there is also English text in the thumb) the text that is showed in the picture is not the most important but the specific place , it is an idea, no obligation. BerendWorst ( talk) 20:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Re-add it, Sir; readd it! 79.77.220.42 ( talk)
I've added a new map to the infobox. Any suggestions/comments are welcome. -- Veggies ( talk) 23:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I feel that this article's lead should be reworded, but I'd rather have consensus established first, given the high level of activity here.
Right now, the lead states the "three explosions occurred in Belgium." To me, this doesn't satisfy the actual significance of the event; these weren't just explosions. They were deliberate terrorist attacks, a fact which should be presented as such. I suggest a change to this, or something like it:
"On the morning of 22 March 2016, three coordinated bombings occurred in Belgium..."
Anyone have any thoughts? Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 20:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Just changed it. Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 20:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
A timeline has been added to Location of the bombings. It takes up a lot of room, and spans the entire page on the mobile version of Wikipedia. [5] I feel the timeline should have its own section lower down the article. What do others think? Firebrace ( talk) 21:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Parsley Man: I always think it is unfeeling to put the victims and attackers together like that. They're not really in the same boat. Le Sanglier des Ardennes ( talk) 21:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
:'( :'( :'( Parsley Man ( talk) 22:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
We must be cautious to have this background section because it can give an excuse to wny Daesh would be justified in the bombing. They have not a shred of excuse for it.
I will think of an alternative. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 21:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
This would allow links to various airport attacks, such as Rome and Vienna 1985, New York LaGuardia, etc. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 21:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The text below was copied from a different sub-heading, but duplicates this topic
I've removed the tag from the article, because of such overwhelming opposition. Also, this talk page is highly visible, so we don't need to advertise the discussion on the article page. Jolly Ω Janner 23:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
"Did arrest of Salah Abdeslam accelerate a planned atrocity?" [6] This is not even suggested in the article. It seems very obvious and many analysts are suggesting it. 217.38.159.206 ( talk) 22:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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@ Parsley Man: Now you're up to 4 reverts in 24 hours. [10] Firebrace ( talk) 21:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Firebrace: I think you should read WP:1RR a little closer yourself... Ref. [11] [12]. Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The infobox lists TATP as explosive, without reference. Do we have a reference? AxelBoldt ( talk) 00:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Im not editing this, but here are some sources (and proposal):
O.K. 79.77.214.229 ( talk) 16:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Jet Airways is an Indian airline based in Mumbai. It is the second largest airline in India, both in terms of market share and passengers carried, after IndiGo. The families-of-two-jet-airways-employees-to-be-air-lifted-from-india [3] 79.77.214.229 ( talk) 16:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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The article refers to "Schaarbeek". This is the Dutch spelling. Please use both French and Dutch: Schaerbeek/Schaarbeek. Further, Schaerbeek is not a suburb of Brussels. It is part of Brussels itself. It is a "commune", or municipality, of Brussels. Grammar police and thieves ( talk) 09:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ user Ymblanter: if your article only refers to "Schaerbeek", this should be corrected as well. The dutch spelling "Schaarbeek" has just as much official status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.70 ( talk) 12:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted a raft of references which all linked back to a blog run by the Guardian newspaper. Any blog must be considered unreliable because the posts to it are by definition self published and not reviewed in any way. - Elektrik Fanne ( talk) 14:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/tools-terror-details-brussels-bombs-revealed-n544141-- Stefvh96 ( talk) 15:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
We have to make sure we don't take sides.
The station name is Maalbeek/Maelbeek or Maelbeek/Maalbeek. We should never just use Maalbeek. Perhaps alternate between which one is first. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
To be as uninvolved as possible, I will not do this change now. Please indicate when the corrects are made. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Who cares. Both spellings are correct and neither is English. Legacypac ( talk) 04:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Millions care. The language issue is very contentious in Belgium. There is no English word (such as Malebock) so we can only use Flemish and French terms. We must support Wikipedia ideals and be neutral. This is very important for editors. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 16:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@ LjL using both dutch & french names woumld certainly be more neutral than defaulting to the french version. As is claiming that Belgian language issue are unimportant. If you have to choose only one version, it would be better to choose the dutch one, as dutch is the majority language in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.70 ( talk) 12:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I have looked at the English version of the Brussels metro website and it shows Maalbeek Maelbeek. See http://www.stib-mivb.be/irj/go/km/docs/resource/Plan_tiny/index-en.html Therefore, to comply with Wikipedia rules of neutrality, I recommend use of both terms and in that order (Maalbeek Maelbeek) Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
"If the subject has no English name, or cannot be easily anglicized: Find out which name is used the most often in English. In practice, this will almost always be French. Then: Use the French name in the title Use that name throughout the article."
I copy here the message I left on the talk pages of the Brussels naming convention and of the metro station :
For some unknown reason, Maelbeek/Maalbeek station and Arts-Loi/Kunst-Wet station are the only ones of the Brussels metro where the Dutch names ("Maalbeek" and "Kunst-Wet") are written before the French ones ("Maelbeek" and "Arts-Loi") here on Wikipedia. As a reminder, Maelbeek metro station is now (unfortunately!) famous because of Brussels terrorist attacks, and Arts-Loi is the most frequented station of the network: those two stations are therefore the most "famous" stations of the Brussels metro network.
Surprisingly, the changes in the names happened a few days ago, both made by one user. The same user edited the
2016 Brussels bombings article to make sure only the Dutch name "Maalbeek" appears in the article.
Is there any discussion somewhere about the name convention for the Brussels metro station names? As for all the other station the "French name/Dutch name" convention is used, shouldn't we standardize it that way?
In addition, I should precise the use of bilingual names by STIB/MIVB (Brussels Intercommunal Transport Company).
The topic is not just about the spelling in Wikipedia. Actually, as Wikipedia is the most accessed encyclopedia of the internet, using one language rather than the other one for Brussels places is about image!! With all the political (linguistic) problems we have in Belgium, you could imagine how important it must be for some/many(?) people to make sure its capital is internationally perceived as a more Flemish or francophone city... (And I'm 100% sure that's why a user changed the names of Maelbeek/Maalbeek and Arts-Loi/Kunst-Wet metro stations in Wikipedia.) In other words: it's a sensitive issue!
In my opinion, all of this should be discussed on the talk page of the Brussels naming conventions. Rather than a discussion about the futur usage for Maelbeek/Maalbeek only, I think there should be an agreement (and an extension of the convention, if needed) about the names of all the metro stations (or even of all the names of Brussels places). Though I'm not sure the agreement about the naming of Brussels municipalities is perfect (using Dutch names for two municipalities and French names for all the others is a bit confusing), at least there's a rule everyone must follow. MisterQ ( talk) 00:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Seems to be split about 60-40 in Google News, "el-Bakraoui" leading. The more esteemed English news (New York Times, BBC, The Guardian, NPR, Wall Street Journal) go with "el-" (and "Bakraoui brothers"), though not all that use "El" are rags. INTERPOL say "El", but that's French, as is likely the alleged passport. Seems we should use the COMMONNAME per secondary sources, despite primary sources, but I could be wrong. Is anybody here familiar enough with Arabic to let us know what's proper there? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Intresting.. my question about how many days had elapsed from the Parisian attack and this one has been removed?
Seems like a dick move to me, WP. -- 84.105.83.223 ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
So, someone removed a perfectly good WP:RS using the following pretext:
Pay-for sources such as the financial times cannot easily be checked and therefore are unusable on Wikipedia
Is this a joke? XavierItzm ( talk) 11:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
This is removing useful information.
Since it has been removed twice by the same editor, I will insert the information, but not in the form of a box. This is really stupid but Wikipedians want it so that is what they get.
The nationalities of the airport deaths are far different from the metro. Contrary to what most people think, lots of nationalities died in the metro, only a few countries were represented in the airport. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Nationality | SAS 686 | Cessna | Ground | Total | ||
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Passengers | Crew | Passengers | Crew | |||
Denmark | 16 | 3 | – | – | – | 19 |
Finland | 6 | – | – | – | – | 6 |
Germany | – | – | – | 2 | – | 2 |
Italy | 58 | – | 2 | – | 4 | 64 |
Norway | 3 | – | – | – | – | 3 |
Romania | 1 | – | – | – | – | 1 |
South Africa | 1 | – | – | – | – | 1 |
Sweden | 17 | 3 | – | – | – | 20 |
United Kingdom | 2 * | – | – | – | – | 2 |
Total | 104 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 118 |
* One passenger listed as a Briton by SAS held United Kingdom and United States citizenships. [1] |
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 20:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
! colspan="2" | Airport
and ! colspan="2" | Metro station
inside that one table for that matter?
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Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [15] [16]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [17] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I've started ISIL Brussels terror cell and suggest we merge the other short articles into it. If a better common name emerges we can rename it. Legacypac ( talk) 00:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [23] [24]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [25] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [31] [32]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [33] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
European Jewish Congress President Moshe Kantor about acts of terrorism in Brussels.
..."We can no longer ignore the fact that radical Islamists declared war on Europe and all Europeans, therefore, we call on governments and law enforcement agencies of European countries to act accordingly - said Moshe Kantor. - We have for too long been in the role of victims, now we have to strike back at terrorist infrastructure, including those who support them, and finances. "... Moshe Vitalievitsh ( talk) 16:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I note that both the articles that were proposed to be merged have seen the merge reverted. One by an editor claiming no consensus. I see no discussion here about why they feel that way. Given the 1RR restrction we really should talk this out. Legacypac ( talk) 14:07, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Yup we all found a good solution that was not to merge the short articles into the main bombing article (making it too long) but create a spinout terror cell article. If ISIL Brussels terror cell does not cover the people in it, it will be a pretty short article. Legacypac ( talk) 20:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
*No merge (don't vote twice) merging is a violation of
WP:GNG as this pass guideline with flying colors. There is too much information on Mohamed Abrini to be merge. That article can be expanded massively. Also application of WP:BLP1E does not apply to ongoing political or extended violent struggles. Abrini is known for more than 1E.
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I see no reason to continue with this, I certainly don't see any agreement if Rmhermen, Erlbaeko and Werldwayd have agreed with the merge then merge is fine, I did not see this from my reading of the discussion. Legacypac, Jolly Janner and Parsley Man if there was an agreement then carry on. Valoem talk contrib 02:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Legacypac: I find your continued posting of nonsense about there being a consensus for a merge to be disruptive. I have NOT agreed with the merge, nor have Rmhermen, and both Valoem and Theslimefish (ref. diff) are against it. So is werldwayd, ref. diff, even if he later accepted a compromise, ref. diff. For the record, I think it is ok to have an article about the "Brussels terror cell", with a short description of the group’s members. I do not agree to merge the Osama Krayem page or the Mohamed Abrini page to that article. Nor should we merge the Salah Abdeslam or the Abdelhamid Abaaoud page to the article about the terror cell, but yes, a short description of them and their role in the group should be included. Erlbaeko ( talk) 06:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
You lost my faith in your ability to interpret other editor's comments when you said someone that posted "I find this arrangement just magnificent" is opposed to this. Reading about this terror cell in one place with links amd roles all noted is way better then a bunch of seperate short articles. Legacypac ( talk) 07:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Did someone suggest we merge Abdelhamid Abaaoud in - that page is too long and includes activities outside this cell. Legacypac ( talk) 07:07, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
"The rate of anti-Semitism in Europe is so high that for the first time in its history the UN General Assembly had to hold a special session on anti-Semitism in January 2015.
Having been persecuted for centuries, burnt in the furnaces of the concentration camps, Jews feel the threat at the genetic level. But the problem here is more than just anti-Semitism. The attitude to Jews is the barometer of a society's health, of its socio-economic and political sustainability and the social contract." /Speech by EJC President Moshe Kantor at the Annual European Commission Colloquium on Fundamental Rights in Brussels, 1 October 2015/ A mina233 ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
citing Interview Minister van Binnenlandse Zaken Jan Jambon to De Standaard ‘Dansen na de aanslagen. Stenen gooien naar de politie. Dát is het echte probleem’ / 16 APRIL 2016 OM 03:00 UUR | Bart Brinckman, Marjan Justaert /
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The politican says there is a 'cancer' of extremism running through Belgian society. 'They threw stones and bottles at police and press during the arrest of Salah Abdeslam. This is the real problem,' he said.
I too believe it's important to add this piece. 2015.ww ( talk) 05:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Help from editors would be welcomed in finding RS that confirm details of the number and location of the US victims. This is needed to complete the draft table with proper citations, and to avoid suggestions of WP:Synthesis - see previous discussion here and the following 'Victims' section. Even the total numbers is difficult - the article currently states or implies different numbers. Leaving aside the three perpetrators, 28 (15+13) bodies were recovered from the scenes (airport, metro respectively). Initially the Belgian authorities gave a total of victims' deaths as 35, but reduced that to 32 on 29-30/3 after removing double counting of victims who died at the scenes and at hospital.
There are reliable sources for 15 names who died from the bombs at the airport, and for 16 from the metro bomb and for the nationalities of 32 victims. There are reliable sources for there being 4 United States victims though only three have been named (these three all at the airport), but I have not seen a confirmed location for the un-named one nor any RS confirming any US deaths at the metro. Also, I cannot find any RS suggesting that there are any other unnamed victims. Perhaps I have missed some more recent sources that would help. Davidships ( talk) 15:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
For us, the problem is that the NATO staff members were killed NATO Stab Securite Officer ( talk) 15:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC) Zou het kunnen er een plaats delict Mujahideen? Maar wat deden ze gewroken? Het is niet duidelijk. Verbessern sie bitte der artikel via verklaringen. (Om het meer uniek!) Dank u. WikipediaUser54323456786543 ( talk) 15:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Lives under the protection of her anti-terrorist police a mutmaster terrorist. Involved in 4 terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris. A turkish turk. With a wrong Turkish passport (meanwhile, stale pass). His delicate face profile, refined manners also allow him to continue to operate heroin trade and heroin free distribution, to play with cuddly toys, to surf the Internet locally. Anti - drug police are watching the house 33 from disstance of 100 meters. Try to drive out all the Newgirian Wikipedia users from the neighborhoods (as if we could have had something against it, of course! These previntieve poisoning (immediately before the terrorist attacks).)))
…A third recommendation is that foreign victims should receive the same financial assistance as Belgian nationals or residents. Former US ambassador James Cain, whose son-in-law died in Zaventem, alerted Commission President Patrick Dewael over the aberration of the Belgian system… Another important recommendation is that the state should advance the payment of damages, ... "It is abnormal that people have to wait months and months to receive assistance to which they are entitled," says André Frédéric ( PS), member of the Commission of Inquiry. http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/un-guichet-unique-pour-les-victimes-d-attentats-5908aee1cd702b5fbe563c7f Atelier du Web ( talk) 14:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, compare with the one in 1979.
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"The explosions took place the day after the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, prime suspect in the 2015 Paris attacks."
This purports a connection, but that is pure speculation. For all we know it could be a coincidence. I don't think it belongs in the lead yet; at least not until prominent sources specifically link them. Bataaf van Oranje ( talk) 08:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article says "Belgium's Interior Ministry announced that the terror level in the country would be raised to the highest level following the attacks."
The source article says "raised the nation's terror alert to its maximum level" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.9.10 ( talk) 10:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article doesn't yet mention that multiple explosions took place at Maelbeek metro station but this BBC live feed [1] @ 10:53 indicates that controlled explosions also took place. Is this important enough, and sourced enough to add into the article? CaptRik ( talk) 11:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
This has a lot of useful info. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
American Airlines has said it was not at their ticket counter: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/american-airlines-rebuffs-brussels-blast-reports-as-shares-fall-34-2016-03-22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.101.126.53 ( talk) 14:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I've removed a few of these in the last 30mins or so purely to keep the article neutral until an official confirmation and source is provided confirming the links. I think we all know this is likely to happen but we don't have to be in a rush to put this in while unconfirmed.
I'm happy to be overruled though and stop removing them if we get consensus here, so feel free to discuss and provide sources. CaptRik ( talk) 14:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll probably look like an idiot for writing this...at present the word "bombing" is unverifiable as per title. The more neutral "explosions" is being used. Probably won't need to be moved in about 6 hours, though. Gareth E. Kegg ( talk) 07:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
"March 2013 Brussels attacks" might make sense, as per November 2015 Paris attacks. 81.108.18.234 ( talk) 15:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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I want to include Swedish reaction. http://www.news24.com/World/News/brussels-blasts-attack-against-democratic-europe-swedish-pm-20160322 Canome ( talk) 13:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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Also, the Swedish Head of State, the King of Sweden: http://www.kungahuset.se/kungafamiljen/aktuellahandelser/aktuellt/kungenomhandelsernaibryssel.5.274e83ca152f4410091324c.html
213.89.166.161 ( talk) 14:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Jd52102: renamed back with "bombings", please see other attack bombing/attack pages, none uses capitalization for "attack"/"bombing" (e.g. International reactions to the Charlie Hebdo shooting, International reactions to the November 2015 Paris attack, International reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks, etc.) Spirit Ethanol ( talk) 15:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I can't edit the article, but can someone put the type of weapon in the infobox (Bombs with TATP explosives)? Thanks-- Stefanvh96 ( talk) 17:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The Schuman metro station article says another bomb went off in the Schuman metro station after the one in the Maelbeek/Maalbeek metro station. Is this a mistake? Abductive ( reasoning) 18:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll look in to it. 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 19:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It has been dismissed. 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 19:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 01:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:26, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Updated sources:
Brussels airport - cops found a a Kalashnikov assault rifle. A nail bomb was found in a suspect's house. [17]
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Eventually, when we know more, we'll have to say this (from the Brussels article): Brussels has a large concentration of Muslims, mostly of Turkish and Moroccan ancestry. Belgium does not collect statistics by ethnic background, so exact figures are unknown. It was estimated that in 2005 people of Muslim background account for 25.5% of Brussels' population, a much higher concentration than those of the other regions of Belgium. [1] Raquel Baranow ( talk) 14:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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@ The ed17: I don't really see the "International reactions" section as violating WP:NOTNEWS. There are many similar articles (e.g. International reactions to the Charlie Hebdo shooting, International reactions to the November 2015 Paris attack, International reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks, etc.) that talk about international reactions to something. epicgenius ( talk) 14:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Move content to International reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
See also: The "Thanks" section at Talk:Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings re: the necessity of similar "reaction" articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Can someone update the nationalities of the dead and injured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.176.187.165 ( talk) 14:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Can someone please update the nationalities of the Westerners of none Arab or Islamic descent or heritage, murdered by these hate filled individuals. Please do not remove my inquiry. Please do no sanitize, sterilize, or remove or attempt to shape this question in support of the murderers or what ever their deranged ideology is rather than those innocents who were butchered in the bombing, until we have details of the victims origins. We are concerned about our fellow countrymen here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.176.187.165 ( talk) 16:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia still refers to the terrorist group Daesh as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Please do not change it to Daesh; this is a name commonly used by the media, and, as I have said before, it is not the name used within its Wikipedia article. Best, -- Ches (talk) (contribs) 17:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It is blatantly false that "Wikipedia" refers to the Islamic State terrorist organisation as "daesh" (the French government's politically correct term) or as "isis" (the U.S. government's politically correct term). Most of the Wikipedia avoids being servile to the U.S. and French governments and call the Islamic State what the Islamic State calls itself:
Spanish Wikipedia: Estado Islámico
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Islámico
Italian Wikipedia: Stato Islamico
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stato_Islamico
German Wikipedia: Islamischer Staat (Organisation)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamischer_Staat_(Organisation)
French Wikipedia: État islamique (organisation)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/État_islamique_(organisation)
It is well known, for instance, that the BBC calls the Islamic State "Islamic State," for example.
http://www.bbc.com/news/24758587
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Currently the article reads "Najim Laachraoui (correct spelling: Necim Laachrawi....)"; a google search of "Necim Laachrawi" returns no result at all, so where does this "correct spelling" come from? Sofeshue ( talk) 14:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
There's another suspect involved with the Metro bombing. [2] Please add to the infobox. 199.195.226.171 ( talk) 17:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Most media reports about the so-called deportation are inaccurate. The Dutch parliament was supposed to have a debate about it, but the letter from the government arrived late. In short, the letter says:
So in contrast to what the article claims, there were no warnings, neither was Ibrahim "released" by the Dutch authorities: he arrived in Amsterdam as a normal passenger and there was no contact with the Dutch police services. The letter from minister van der Steur: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/content/documents/2016/03/24/brief_steur.pdf Prevalence 01:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@ LowSelfEstidle: I'm not sure if the perpetrators' dates of birth really add much to our knowledge of the event. Firebrace ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
This is easily misunderstood. The fighters of the second sentence have nothing to do with the intervention of the first sentence, in fact, they fight on the other side. AxelBoldt ( talk) 18:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ WWGB: I would like to know why you removed the November 2015 Paris attacks template. It's been judged to have some connection to those attacks because some Brussels suspects were also involved in the planning stages. Also, I did try to remove the Brussels bombings from the template, only for that to be reverted, so I'm assuming it's important enough to be included in that template. Parsley Man ( talk) 21:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
In the article is stated that Belgium provides most foreign fighters (citate needed); the correct way is saying most fighters per capita. Source: ICSR (through BBC : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35870957) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.205.106.92 ( talk) 22:05, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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The names of the brothers have been confused. "Khalid died in one of the suicide bombings at Brussels Airport, while Ibrahim committed the bombing at the metro station, in which he also died." should be changed to "Ibrahim died in one of the suicide bombings at Brussels Airport, while Khalid committed the bombing at the metro station, in which he also died." Allmogen ( talk) 00:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Done Source says: "The siblings were identified Wednesday by prosecutors in Belgium who said Ibrahim, 30, detonated a bomb at Brussels Airport while Khalid, 27, blew himself up in the city's subway system." Thanks.
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The procuror reported today around noon that no evidence of any gun/rifle was found, see https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_attenats-de-bruxelles-et-paris-un-suspect-interpelle-a-anderlecht?id=9249575 ("Frédéric Van Leeuw confirme également qu'aucune arme de guerre n'a été trouvée à l'aéroport." -> "Frédéric Van Leeuw also confirmed that no war weapon was found at the airport."). Please remove the references about those. 217.136.252.185 ( talk) 22:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Timeline says "8:15 am : threat level raised to max". I understand the timeline is local time. The reference for that piece of info speaks in UTC, making it 9:15 instead of 8:15 for the increase of threat level. This is mirrored by Belgian sources who say 9:15 local time. 217.136.252.185 ( talk) 00:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure it was 30 people who died in the Brussels attack not 31. Hs2107 ( talk) 21:03, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not saying for definite it was 30, I thought it was at first, these articles about the Brussels attacks say figures such as at least as 30 [3], I did presume that when it said at least 30 I thought it was exactly 30, but maybe not since this article says 31 [4]. Hs2107 ( talk) 09:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
March 16 article here says so: [1]
"Police in Brussels hunting terror suspects linked to last November's ISIS massacre in Paris earlier detained two men after a dramatic raid on an apartment in which the Algerian accomplice was killed and four officers were wounded.
All three of those arrested or killed are thought to have links to the deadly ISIS-inspired attacks on the French capital, which left 130 dead.
At a press conference this morning, the prosecutor said one of the detained men had been arrested after arriving at a Brussels hospital with a broken leg.
Brothers Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, who were named in Belgian media, are believed to be the two men detained after fleeing the scene yesterday afternoon.
The men are reportedly known for their links with violent crime in the Brussels area"
Both are named in this March 16 article. They were apparently arrested, then released, even though authorities had been looking for them after the raid. 45.72.144.60 ( talk) 03:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)Toto
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Should the King of Belgium's address to the people after the attack be added here? It's on the response to brussels bombing attack, but I feel like It shouldn't be lumped together with all the other responses from heads of states. 2602:306:CD3C:CB70:A06B:DC03:6823:14CF ( talk) 11:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I believe we should try to keep the timeline in this article short and concise, like the one in the November 2015 Paris attacks-article, but instead of deleting relevant details, I think we should move them into a new article. The article can be called " Timeline of the 2016 Brussels bombings", and will look like the Timeline of the 2005 London bombings-article. WP:PROSPLIT recommends a "Split" discussion, so, is it ok to split the timeline, leaving only the most relevant part of the timeline her? Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I've deleted 8:00, 8:40, 11:50, 13:36 and 13:57, and removed the auto-hidden option. Erlbaeko ( talk) 07:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Is the location of the bombing in the airport correct? Standaard.be mentiones one near the Starbucks/British/Brussels Airlines (these are very close to each other), and the other one in the other departure hall. Looking at the images, It seems Standaard is correct. http://s3.standaardcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2016/03/22/160322_DS4_Zaventem.jpg?maxheight=416&maxwidth=568&format=jpg 2A02:1810:9420:2E00:206D:4435:2710:5E1F ( talk) 22:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment originally in a new section but moved here...
This shows that the comment below is not a reaction but independently thought of and thought to be of concern.
infobox coordinates is original research and not wikipedia compliant
The infobox has coordinates. This seems to be original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia. I looked up the references and the BBC News article doesn't give the coordinates.
I suggest removing the coordinates but identifying the spot as much as we know. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Can an editor who works on terrorism-related topics take a look at this new page that discusses the dead in last week's Brussels bombings as casualties not of ISIL terrorism but, rather, as Casualties of the Military intervention against ISIL. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 01:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Just bringing this page to editors attention to query if it should be merged or re-directed here. Ibrahim el-Bakraoui and Khalid el-Bakraoui already re-direct here. -- 220 of Borg 09:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Год назад, когда произошли теракты в редакции "Шарли Эбдо", эта новость застала меня в Донецке, где как раз началось самое серьезное обострение со времен первого "Минска", которое я в тогдашнем репортаже охарактеризовал как "кровавое Рождество": каждый день горели дома, каждый день гибли люди. Но вся Европа вешала на себя ленточки с надписью "Я Шарли!". Шарли назвал себя и президент Украины, на чьих руках крови в тот момент было уже поболее, чем на руках всех террористов, когда-либо что-то взрывавших в Европе вместе взятых. И европейские лидеры жали эти руки.
http://ren.tv/blog/84346 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.104.198.164 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Пожалуйста, обсудите в русской википедии
Translation: Please discuss this in the Russian language Wikipedia. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 17:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Please correct the casualty figures. 28 victims, with 3 suicide bombers, equals a total of 31 people dead.
This is stated in the following CNN article: "The rally was set to mark the terror attacks that killed 28 people from various nations. (Belgian authorities said Saturday that the widely reported death toll of 31 included the three suicide attackers, putting the victims' tally at 28.)" Link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/europe/brussels-investigation-main/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.109.238 ( talk) 18:51, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I have found 3 errors and a 4th imprecise statement. Please be careful when editing! Thank you. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 02:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC) ~ Found and corrected more errors. Please be careful. There are probably several more errors. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 02:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The pace of improvement of this article isn't like some articles which a lot of editors fix up right away as soon as the news breaks. Therefore, I ask that you keep the following things in mind because I do not want to enter a battleground right now.
1. There should be improved summarizing of the events as they happen. Too often, the prose on Wikipedia is similar to "On 6 June, this happened". Next paragraph, "On 8 June, that happened>"
2. Some specific info that is breaking news. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/world/europe/brussels-attacks.html?_r=0 Police Misidentify Suspect as Brussels Airport Attacker
3. Try to settle the contentious names. Some settled matters in Wikipedia is that both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China on Taiwan claim the name of China. Wikipedia should be neutral even though the People's Republic of China has been very aggressive and successful to get many people to think of them as China. Another matter is the Flemish/French names, such as Maalbeek/Maelbeek. There, the French speakers have been able to push their way with the American audience due to a greater number of French speakers in the U.S. and few Flemish speakers. However, we should abide by the Wikipedia rule to be as neutral as possible. Luckily, the Irish question is not a part of this article.
3. The airport bombing is a little short on details. Location of bombs, how it affected the airport (Brussels Airlines started a hub in Liege, Antwerpen/Anvers, Frankfurt, and Zurch). Jet Airways is ending its hub at Brussels early as a result. They are leaving town, in other words.
4. The metro bombing details are a little short compared to the terrorists' bios.
5. There should be more free use photos, if at all possible.
6. Consider having an infobox on the dead at the airport and the dead at the metro station. It is not clear now.
7. The number of dead should be consistent in the article. This is different info in the article versus the infoboxes. 34, 35, 38, etc.
Good luck! I am not here to debate so take these suggestions if you agree, but do not take advantage of me not being here to criticize them. If you don't like them, just let it go.
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 20:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The Belgian authorities have lowered the victim death toll to 32 not including the 3 murderers. Link - http://news.yahoo.com/belgium-resumes-hunt-airport-suspect-criticism-mounts-004723635.html;_ylt=A0LEVy031fpW2TIAyaJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNmJjZWttBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE3OTJfMQRzZWMDc2M
"Hours after the attack the French-language hashtag #JeSuisBruxelles (#IamBrussels), the Dutch-language #ikwilhelpen (#iwanttohelp)[96] and images of the Belgian comic character Tintin crying trended on social media sites."
This seems like trivial information that should be removed. It doesn't give any context as to why it's important to the bombings. If this occured before the time of Twitter, it would be akin to claiming "news of the attack was a much-talked about topic among nearby residents". The Tintin story is rather odd. I would normally be bold, but these highly visible articles have a habit of attracting a "keep everything" mentality as well as 1RR. Jolly Ω Janner 05:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
So, the 5 or 6 citations for the above statement currently included in the article (overcite much?) seem to be all based on editorial articles on what otherwise may or may not be WP:RS. Funny, in other articles the WP:Police always seems to show up in a nano-second to delete/expunge/obliterate/nuke-from-orbit anything and everything unless it comes straight up strictly from the "news" section. Never mind of course that the reason why the Brussels attacks are of interest is that these were Islamic State (IS) attacks on Westerners, a subject that tends to resonate more with Western audiences than, say, the old Kurd-Turk ethnic war. XavierItzm ( talk) 13:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
UKIP 'used' the Brussels Attacks to Make Brexit Case. Nigel Farage is called "shameful" by David Cameron for using the Brussels attacks to make the case for the UK to leave the European Union. Mike Hookem said the attacks illustrated that freedom of movement in the bloc was a 'security threat'. UKIP called for the ethnic cleansing of all immigrants, the closure of all borders and leavening the EU. [1] [2] [1] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [6] [8] [1] [4] [9] [2] [2] [1] [10] 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 02:48, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Add to the end of section "Background" a sentence summarizing this article, https://www.yahoo.com/news/belgian-suspects-lawyer-plans-action-against-prosecutor-111632455.html.
Example: The captured suspect, Salah Abdeslam, confessed to authorities about planned attack in Brussels for which he had several weapons.
Add Salah Abdeslam ( /info/en/?search=Salah_Abdeslam) to "See Also". klubalj ( talk) 19:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
8 French were injured in the bombing. Shouldn't a table be created detailing the nationalities?
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2016/03/22/97001-20160322FILWWW00331-attentats-de-bruxelles-8-francais-blesses.php?link_time=1458673668#xtor=AL-155-[facebook] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanvh96 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Yep! 79.77.220.42 ( talk) 20:15, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
A number of countries, national leaders and international organisations expressed comments or lit monuments in reaction to the 2016 Brussels bombings. 79.77.214.236 ( talk) 17:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Nation. | Dead. | Wounded. |
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Peru | 1 [1] | |
Morocco | 1 [2] | |
USA | 2 [3] | 13-15 [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] |
Turkey | 1 [11] | |
UK | 2-4 [12] [13] [14] | |
Italy | 3 [15] | |
Colombia | 2 [16] [17] | |
India | 2 [18] | |
Ecuador | 1 [19] | |
Belgium | 1 [20] | |
France | 1 [21] | 8-11 [22] [23] [24] |
Netherlands | 2 [25] | |
Unknown | 24 | Circa ~220 |
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79.77.214.236 ( talk) 15:45, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
It would be useful to know nationalities at the metro station. Were they all Belgian? Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
There are many reliable sources about American missionaries, relative of former U.S. Ambassador, etc. Surprisingly, unlike many Wikipedia article, not in this article. If you want proof that it is in other Wikipedia article, then look. Not hard to find. I am not looking for a long list, merely some people that were covered somewhat extensively in the press. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I've checked several sources (RPT, CNN, The Guardian and even Buzzfeed) and it seems there are no Swiss deaths. Maybe once all the nationalities are released, we can update/correct the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.188.59.122 ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I have just added this image to show the location of the station in the subtitle Maelbeek/Maalbeek metro station, but was removed by the user without consensus (and left no comment at his talk page), and only the argument is no English-language text (there is also English text in the thumb) the text that is showed in the picture is not the most important but the specific place , it is an idea, no obligation. BerendWorst ( talk) 20:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Re-add it, Sir; readd it! 79.77.220.42 ( talk)
I've added a new map to the infobox. Any suggestions/comments are welcome. -- Veggies ( talk) 23:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I feel that this article's lead should be reworded, but I'd rather have consensus established first, given the high level of activity here.
Right now, the lead states the "three explosions occurred in Belgium." To me, this doesn't satisfy the actual significance of the event; these weren't just explosions. They were deliberate terrorist attacks, a fact which should be presented as such. I suggest a change to this, or something like it:
"On the morning of 22 March 2016, three coordinated bombings occurred in Belgium..."
Anyone have any thoughts? Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 20:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Just changed it. Colonel Wilhelm Klink ( Complaints| Mistakes) 20:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
A timeline has been added to Location of the bombings. It takes up a lot of room, and spans the entire page on the mobile version of Wikipedia. [5] I feel the timeline should have its own section lower down the article. What do others think? Firebrace ( talk) 21:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Parsley Man: I always think it is unfeeling to put the victims and attackers together like that. They're not really in the same boat. Le Sanglier des Ardennes ( talk) 21:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
:'( :'( :'( Parsley Man ( talk) 22:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
We must be cautious to have this background section because it can give an excuse to wny Daesh would be justified in the bombing. They have not a shred of excuse for it.
I will think of an alternative. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 21:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
This would allow links to various airport attacks, such as Rome and Vienna 1985, New York LaGuardia, etc. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 21:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The text below was copied from a different sub-heading, but duplicates this topic
I've removed the tag from the article, because of such overwhelming opposition. Also, this talk page is highly visible, so we don't need to advertise the discussion on the article page. Jolly Ω Janner 23:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
"Did arrest of Salah Abdeslam accelerate a planned atrocity?" [6] This is not even suggested in the article. It seems very obvious and many analysts are suggesting it. 217.38.159.206 ( talk) 22:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@
Parsley Man: You have made 8 3 reverts since the one-revert rule was imposed:
[7],
[8],
[9]. "Editors of this page may not make more than one revert per twenty-four hours when reverting logged-in users". For a detailed explanation of what this means, see
WP:1RR.
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@ Parsley Man: Now you're up to 4 reverts in 24 hours. [10] Firebrace ( talk) 21:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Firebrace: I think you should read WP:1RR a little closer yourself... Ref. [11] [12]. Erlbaeko ( talk) 15:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The infobox lists TATP as explosive, without reference. Do we have a reference? AxelBoldt ( talk) 00:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Im not editing this, but here are some sources (and proposal):
O.K. 79.77.214.229 ( talk) 16:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Jet Airways is an Indian airline based in Mumbai. It is the second largest airline in India, both in terms of market share and passengers carried, after IndiGo. The families-of-two-jet-airways-employees-to-be-air-lifted-from-india [3] 79.77.214.229 ( talk) 16:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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The article refers to "Schaarbeek". This is the Dutch spelling. Please use both French and Dutch: Schaerbeek/Schaarbeek. Further, Schaerbeek is not a suburb of Brussels. It is part of Brussels itself. It is a "commune", or municipality, of Brussels. Grammar police and thieves ( talk) 09:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
@ user Ymblanter: if your article only refers to "Schaerbeek", this should be corrected as well. The dutch spelling "Schaarbeek" has just as much official status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.70 ( talk) 12:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted a raft of references which all linked back to a blog run by the Guardian newspaper. Any blog must be considered unreliable because the posts to it are by definition self published and not reviewed in any way. - Elektrik Fanne ( talk) 14:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/tools-terror-details-brussels-bombs-revealed-n544141-- Stefvh96 ( talk) 15:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
We have to make sure we don't take sides.
The station name is Maalbeek/Maelbeek or Maelbeek/Maalbeek. We should never just use Maalbeek. Perhaps alternate between which one is first. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
To be as uninvolved as possible, I will not do this change now. Please indicate when the corrects are made. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 19:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Who cares. Both spellings are correct and neither is English. Legacypac ( talk) 04:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Millions care. The language issue is very contentious in Belgium. There is no English word (such as Malebock) so we can only use Flemish and French terms. We must support Wikipedia ideals and be neutral. This is very important for editors. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 16:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@ LjL using both dutch & french names woumld certainly be more neutral than defaulting to the french version. As is claiming that Belgian language issue are unimportant. If you have to choose only one version, it would be better to choose the dutch one, as dutch is the majority language in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.70 ( talk) 12:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I have looked at the English version of the Brussels metro website and it shows Maalbeek Maelbeek. See http://www.stib-mivb.be/irj/go/km/docs/resource/Plan_tiny/index-en.html Therefore, to comply with Wikipedia rules of neutrality, I recommend use of both terms and in that order (Maalbeek Maelbeek) Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
"If the subject has no English name, or cannot be easily anglicized: Find out which name is used the most often in English. In practice, this will almost always be French. Then: Use the French name in the title Use that name throughout the article."
I copy here the message I left on the talk pages of the Brussels naming convention and of the metro station :
For some unknown reason, Maelbeek/Maalbeek station and Arts-Loi/Kunst-Wet station are the only ones of the Brussels metro where the Dutch names ("Maalbeek" and "Kunst-Wet") are written before the French ones ("Maelbeek" and "Arts-Loi") here on Wikipedia. As a reminder, Maelbeek metro station is now (unfortunately!) famous because of Brussels terrorist attacks, and Arts-Loi is the most frequented station of the network: those two stations are therefore the most "famous" stations of the Brussels metro network.
Surprisingly, the changes in the names happened a few days ago, both made by one user. The same user edited the
2016 Brussels bombings article to make sure only the Dutch name "Maalbeek" appears in the article.
Is there any discussion somewhere about the name convention for the Brussels metro station names? As for all the other station the "French name/Dutch name" convention is used, shouldn't we standardize it that way?
In addition, I should precise the use of bilingual names by STIB/MIVB (Brussels Intercommunal Transport Company).
The topic is not just about the spelling in Wikipedia. Actually, as Wikipedia is the most accessed encyclopedia of the internet, using one language rather than the other one for Brussels places is about image!! With all the political (linguistic) problems we have in Belgium, you could imagine how important it must be for some/many(?) people to make sure its capital is internationally perceived as a more Flemish or francophone city... (And I'm 100% sure that's why a user changed the names of Maelbeek/Maalbeek and Arts-Loi/Kunst-Wet metro stations in Wikipedia.) In other words: it's a sensitive issue!
In my opinion, all of this should be discussed on the talk page of the Brussels naming conventions. Rather than a discussion about the futur usage for Maelbeek/Maalbeek only, I think there should be an agreement (and an extension of the convention, if needed) about the names of all the metro stations (or even of all the names of Brussels places). Though I'm not sure the agreement about the naming of Brussels municipalities is perfect (using Dutch names for two municipalities and French names for all the others is a bit confusing), at least there's a rule everyone must follow. MisterQ ( talk) 00:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Seems to be split about 60-40 in Google News, "el-Bakraoui" leading. The more esteemed English news (New York Times, BBC, The Guardian, NPR, Wall Street Journal) go with "el-" (and "Bakraoui brothers"), though not all that use "El" are rags. INTERPOL say "El", but that's French, as is likely the alleged passport. Seems we should use the COMMONNAME per secondary sources, despite primary sources, but I could be wrong. Is anybody here familiar enough with Arabic to let us know what's proper there? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Intresting.. my question about how many days had elapsed from the Parisian attack and this one has been removed?
Seems like a dick move to me, WP. -- 84.105.83.223 ( talk) 15:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
So, someone removed a perfectly good WP:RS using the following pretext:
Pay-for sources such as the financial times cannot easily be checked and therefore are unusable on Wikipedia
Is this a joke? XavierItzm ( talk) 11:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
This is removing useful information.
Since it has been removed twice by the same editor, I will insert the information, but not in the form of a box. This is really stupid but Wikipedians want it so that is what they get.
The nationalities of the airport deaths are far different from the metro. Contrary to what most people think, lots of nationalities died in the metro, only a few countries were represented in the airport. Whiskeymouth ( talk) 05:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Nationality | SAS 686 | Cessna | Ground | Total | ||
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Passengers | Crew | Passengers | Crew | |||
Denmark | 16 | 3 | – | – | – | 19 |
Finland | 6 | – | – | – | – | 6 |
Germany | – | – | – | 2 | – | 2 |
Italy | 58 | – | 2 | – | 4 | 64 |
Norway | 3 | – | – | – | – | 3 |
Romania | 1 | – | – | – | – | 1 |
South Africa | 1 | – | – | – | – | 1 |
Sweden | 17 | 3 | – | – | – | 20 |
United Kingdom | 2 * | – | – | – | – | 2 |
Total | 104 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 118 |
* One passenger listed as a Briton by SAS held United Kingdom and United States citizenships. [1] |
Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy ( talk) 20:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
! colspan="2" | Airport
and ! colspan="2" | Metro station
inside that one table for that matter?
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Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [15] [16]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [17] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I've started ISIL Brussels terror cell and suggest we merge the other short articles into it. If a better common name emerges we can rename it. Legacypac ( talk) 00:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [23] [24]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [25] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello. According to what I read in French sources ( [31] [32]), the French victim of the bombings is André Adam, who was also (and arguably, "mainly") a Belgian national. So the table with the flags would need to be updated. Further, "Sixteen of the deceased were Belgian nationals, while the remaining twelve were from eight different nations." doesn't add up to 32. I think there would be a need to review the entire section and table based on more recent sources (for example [33] would be a good starting point). It might also be worth checking the French Wikipedia article, which has fairly different figures. Thanks and regards, Biwom ( talk) 06:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Both of these articles seem to fail WP:BLP1E and are notable only towards the bombings. Parsley Man ( talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
European Jewish Congress President Moshe Kantor about acts of terrorism in Brussels.
..."We can no longer ignore the fact that radical Islamists declared war on Europe and all Europeans, therefore, we call on governments and law enforcement agencies of European countries to act accordingly - said Moshe Kantor. - We have for too long been in the role of victims, now we have to strike back at terrorist infrastructure, including those who support them, and finances. "... Moshe Vitalievitsh ( talk) 16:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I note that both the articles that were proposed to be merged have seen the merge reverted. One by an editor claiming no consensus. I see no discussion here about why they feel that way. Given the 1RR restrction we really should talk this out. Legacypac ( talk) 14:07, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Yup we all found a good solution that was not to merge the short articles into the main bombing article (making it too long) but create a spinout terror cell article. If ISIL Brussels terror cell does not cover the people in it, it will be a pretty short article. Legacypac ( talk) 20:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
*No merge (don't vote twice) merging is a violation of
WP:GNG as this pass guideline with flying colors. There is too much information on Mohamed Abrini to be merge. That article can be expanded massively. Also application of WP:BLP1E does not apply to ongoing political or extended violent struggles. Abrini is known for more than 1E.
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I see no reason to continue with this, I certainly don't see any agreement if Rmhermen, Erlbaeko and Werldwayd have agreed with the merge then merge is fine, I did not see this from my reading of the discussion. Legacypac, Jolly Janner and Parsley Man if there was an agreement then carry on. Valoem talk contrib 02:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@ Legacypac: I find your continued posting of nonsense about there being a consensus for a merge to be disruptive. I have NOT agreed with the merge, nor have Rmhermen, and both Valoem and Theslimefish (ref. diff) are against it. So is werldwayd, ref. diff, even if he later accepted a compromise, ref. diff. For the record, I think it is ok to have an article about the "Brussels terror cell", with a short description of the group’s members. I do not agree to merge the Osama Krayem page or the Mohamed Abrini page to that article. Nor should we merge the Salah Abdeslam or the Abdelhamid Abaaoud page to the article about the terror cell, but yes, a short description of them and their role in the group should be included. Erlbaeko ( talk) 06:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
You lost my faith in your ability to interpret other editor's comments when you said someone that posted "I find this arrangement just magnificent" is opposed to this. Reading about this terror cell in one place with links amd roles all noted is way better then a bunch of seperate short articles. Legacypac ( talk) 07:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Did someone suggest we merge Abdelhamid Abaaoud in - that page is too long and includes activities outside this cell. Legacypac ( talk) 07:07, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
"The rate of anti-Semitism in Europe is so high that for the first time in its history the UN General Assembly had to hold a special session on anti-Semitism in January 2015.
Having been persecuted for centuries, burnt in the furnaces of the concentration camps, Jews feel the threat at the genetic level. But the problem here is more than just anti-Semitism. The attitude to Jews is the barometer of a society's health, of its socio-economic and political sustainability and the social contract." /Speech by EJC President Moshe Kantor at the Annual European Commission Colloquium on Fundamental Rights in Brussels, 1 October 2015/ A mina233 ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Why is there no section on this? We shouldn't be keeping people in the dark on anything happening, even if political correctness is hurt in the process. This article needs to acknowlege that many Muslims in Belgium celebrated the terror attacks. This isn't to be anti muslim, but to reveal how divided of a society Belgium is. We can only make sense of these attrocities if we look at the mindset of some Islamic Belgians. 108.208.70.47 ( talk) 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I sense an anti-Islam motive at play here... Parsley Man ( talk) 05:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
citing Interview Minister van Binnenlandse Zaken Jan Jambon to De Standaard ‘Dansen na de aanslagen. Stenen gooien naar de politie. Dát is het echte probleem’ / 16 APRIL 2016 OM 03:00 UUR | Bart Brinckman, Marjan Justaert /
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The politican says there is a 'cancer' of extremism running through Belgian society. 'They threw stones and bottles at police and press during the arrest of Salah Abdeslam. This is the real problem,' he said.
I too believe it's important to add this piece. 2015.ww ( talk) 05:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Help from editors would be welcomed in finding RS that confirm details of the number and location of the US victims. This is needed to complete the draft table with proper citations, and to avoid suggestions of WP:Synthesis - see previous discussion here and the following 'Victims' section. Even the total numbers is difficult - the article currently states or implies different numbers. Leaving aside the three perpetrators, 28 (15+13) bodies were recovered from the scenes (airport, metro respectively). Initially the Belgian authorities gave a total of victims' deaths as 35, but reduced that to 32 on 29-30/3 after removing double counting of victims who died at the scenes and at hospital.
There are reliable sources for 15 names who died from the bombs at the airport, and for 16 from the metro bomb and for the nationalities of 32 victims. There are reliable sources for there being 4 United States victims though only three have been named (these three all at the airport), but I have not seen a confirmed location for the un-named one nor any RS confirming any US deaths at the metro. Also, I cannot find any RS suggesting that there are any other unnamed victims. Perhaps I have missed some more recent sources that would help. Davidships ( talk) 15:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
For us, the problem is that the NATO staff members were killed NATO Stab Securite Officer ( talk) 15:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC) Zou het kunnen er een plaats delict Mujahideen? Maar wat deden ze gewroken? Het is niet duidelijk. Verbessern sie bitte der artikel via verklaringen. (Om het meer uniek!) Dank u. WikipediaUser54323456786543 ( talk) 15:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Lives under the protection of her anti-terrorist police a mutmaster terrorist. Involved in 4 terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris. A turkish turk. With a wrong Turkish passport (meanwhile, stale pass). His delicate face profile, refined manners also allow him to continue to operate heroin trade and heroin free distribution, to play with cuddly toys, to surf the Internet locally. Anti - drug police are watching the house 33 from disstance of 100 meters. Try to drive out all the Newgirian Wikipedia users from the neighborhoods (as if we could have had something against it, of course! These previntieve poisoning (immediately before the terrorist attacks).)))
…A third recommendation is that foreign victims should receive the same financial assistance as Belgian nationals or residents. Former US ambassador James Cain, whose son-in-law died in Zaventem, alerted Commission President Patrick Dewael over the aberration of the Belgian system… Another important recommendation is that the state should advance the payment of damages, ... "It is abnormal that people have to wait months and months to receive assistance to which they are entitled," says André Frédéric ( PS), member of the Commission of Inquiry. http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/un-guichet-unique-pour-les-victimes-d-attentats-5908aee1cd702b5fbe563c7f Atelier du Web ( talk) 14:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 14:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
2016 Brussels bombings →
Brussels bombings – Considering that the 2016 bombing caused 35 deaths and hundreds of injured, this may be the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, compare with the one in 1979.
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