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Being mindful of WP:NOTNEWS, that Wikipedia is not a news source, I'm noticing that nearly daily summaries are being posted to the article from an apparently ongoing series of protests, at a level of detail that has been reaching down to every random thing some observer or other heard being yelled during the protest. I've removed those because I don't think that's controversial, but it seems to me that if this is an ongoing situation, there should be less per-day detail, treating the article as a diary. The coverage should be at a higher level, albeit updated (again at a high level) to reflect the most significant new developments. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 20:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
2016–2021 Iranian Insurgency → 2016–2021 Iranian protests – This article is about protests, not an insurgency. Charles Essie ( talk) 15:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Toomuchcuriosity: I agree with you but I think a merger with
2019–2020 Iranian protests would be better. What do you think?
Charles Essie (
talk) 02:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I now think this article should be kept and turned into a proper umbrella article. Charles Essie ( talk) 17:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 00:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
2016–2022 Iranian protests → Iranian democracy movement – This article must include protests and information about the Iranian democracy movement. 174.89.100.68 ( talk) 08:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC) 174.89.100.68 ( talk) 08:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I didn't get here in time to vote and while I also would have opposed this move I am however strongly in favor of the creation of a new titled Iranian democracy movement with a much broader scoop. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
This article extensively cites [1]. This is the website of the People's Mujahedin of Iran and a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source of a political group. Hence it doesn't seem like a reliable source. I will remove all instances of this source and replace them with citation tags, giving a reasonable time to find sources for this content. VR talk 04:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to 2017–2021 Iranian protests.( non-admin closure) signed, 511KeV (talk) 08:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
2016–2021 Iranian protests → 2017–2021 Iranian protests – The 2016 Cyrus the Great Revolt took place a full fourteen months before the 2017–2018 Iranian protests even began and neither article suggests a link between them. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 05:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
In the past, I suggested the creation of an umbrella article for the protests in Iran from 2017 to the present because they appeared to be more or less constant since then and the existing articles overlap with each other's timelines. I presume that's what this article was created for given its title but it only covers protests in 2020 and 2021. There also appears to be confusion over the article's scope as the infobox and opening paragraph use the title Iranian Democracy Movement which suggests a much longer timeline, potentially going back to Qajar Iran.
So I guess I'm wondering which is it? Personally, I've since come to believe that a broader article about Iran's democracy movement (such as the ones focused on the democracy movements in China, Kazakhstan, Nepal and Vietnam) might be more useful but as of now this article doesn't really work as either. It provides insufficient coverage of the protests and is not particularly well sourced. What should we do? Charles Essie ( talk) 20:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Since this is still not a proper umbrella article and only covers protests from 2020 and 2021, I think it's content should simply be merged into 2019–2020 Iranian protests and 2021–2022 Iranian protests respectively. It might be better to create an umbrella article from scratch anyway. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:03, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | The contents of the 2017–2021 Iranian protests page were merged into 2019–2020 Iranian protests on 23 September 2023. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
![]() | On 6 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Iranian democracy movement. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2017–2021 Iranian protests was copied or moved into 2021–2022 Iranian protests with this edit on 23 Sep 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Being mindful of WP:NOTNEWS, that Wikipedia is not a news source, I'm noticing that nearly daily summaries are being posted to the article from an apparently ongoing series of protests, at a level of detail that has been reaching down to every random thing some observer or other heard being yelled during the protest. I've removed those because I don't think that's controversial, but it seems to me that if this is an ongoing situation, there should be less per-day detail, treating the article as a diary. The coverage should be at a higher level, albeit updated (again at a high level) to reflect the most significant new developments. Largoplazo ( talk) 22:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 20:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
2016–2021 Iranian Insurgency → 2016–2021 Iranian protests – This article is about protests, not an insurgency. Charles Essie ( talk) 15:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@
Toomuchcuriosity: I agree with you but I think a merger with
2019–2020 Iranian protests would be better. What do you think?
Charles Essie (
talk) 02:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I now think this article should be kept and turned into a proper umbrella article. Charles Essie ( talk) 17:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 00:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
2016–2022 Iranian protests → Iranian democracy movement – This article must include protests and information about the Iranian democracy movement. 174.89.100.68 ( talk) 08:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC) 174.89.100.68 ( talk) 08:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I didn't get here in time to vote and while I also would have opposed this move I am however strongly in favor of the creation of a new titled Iranian democracy movement with a much broader scoop. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
This article extensively cites [1]. This is the website of the People's Mujahedin of Iran and a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source of a political group. Hence it doesn't seem like a reliable source. I will remove all instances of this source and replace them with citation tags, giving a reasonable time to find sources for this content. VR talk 04:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to 2017–2021 Iranian protests.( non-admin closure) signed, 511KeV (talk) 08:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
2016–2021 Iranian protests → 2017–2021 Iranian protests – The 2016 Cyrus the Great Revolt took place a full fourteen months before the 2017–2018 Iranian protests even began and neither article suggests a link between them. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 05:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
In the past, I suggested the creation of an umbrella article for the protests in Iran from 2017 to the present because they appeared to be more or less constant since then and the existing articles overlap with each other's timelines. I presume that's what this article was created for given its title but it only covers protests in 2020 and 2021. There also appears to be confusion over the article's scope as the infobox and opening paragraph use the title Iranian Democracy Movement which suggests a much longer timeline, potentially going back to Qajar Iran.
So I guess I'm wondering which is it? Personally, I've since come to believe that a broader article about Iran's democracy movement (such as the ones focused on the democracy movements in China, Kazakhstan, Nepal and Vietnam) might be more useful but as of now this article doesn't really work as either. It provides insufficient coverage of the protests and is not particularly well sourced. What should we do? Charles Essie ( talk) 20:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Since this is still not a proper umbrella article and only covers protests from 2020 and 2021, I think it's content should simply be merged into 2019–2020 Iranian protests and 2021–2022 Iranian protests respectively. It might be better to create an umbrella article from scratch anyway. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:03, 18 November 2022 (UTC)