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Removed as lacking notability. Just makes the minimum of non-English articles, but all articles are stubs and/or clones of the English article with no local content and consist largely of a list of film appearances. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove two things? Gisela May as per WP:RY, And the hidden note that says, "Per Wikipedia:Recent years, please add in people with nine non-English articles at the time of their death. Other people can be listed in Deaths in November 2016." Thank you. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 21:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Done Gisela May removed. Hidden note modified. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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I would like to update the deaths section of the article and add Harambe on may 28, 2016 2601:84:8900:414B:B536:9BFF:CA80:FDA7 ( talk) 23:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
He meets criteria, barely, but his career doesn't look too notable - mostly consisting of side roles in soap operas. I understand many people remember his villains, but objectively, I think he could be left out. Opinions? — Yerpo Eh? 09:54, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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Death: Nov 11. Victor Bailey (musician) American bass player born: 1960 92.109.98.138 ( talk) 14:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Not done He fails the minimum criteria at WP:RY (less than 9 non-English articles at the time of death). DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 20:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Just a little note, when the December section is bigger, can you add in an image of Alan Thicke? Thanks. Not now, but when there's more room. 206.45.11.108 ( talk) 23:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Sager's death was covered in the "British"., "French"., "German"., "Canadian"., and "Japanese". presses, just to name a few. His death was featured on the "front page". of the New York Times and was commemorated by all thirty teams in the world's largest basketball organization.
I would contend that he is a noteworthy exception to the WP:RY guideline on the number of non-English articles. Furthermore, I feel that this matter is worthy of review by more than one singular editor. Saget53 07:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you revert Chyna's image? I don't find her notable other than the fact she was a wrestler. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 02:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in these two?
Both of them met WP:RY before they died. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 15:00, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you revert to revision 756394185 by Elephantpink? The other names also fail WP:RY too. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 13:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Once there is more room, can you please add in an image of Zsa Zsa Gabor? Because we need one more female to end it off with the years.
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Done I added this now. It was a space issue before, and an astronaut and a Nobel winner were more notable even if you take into account gender bias Valentina Cardoso ( talk) 19:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I wanted that image because the other image of Gabor was incorrect. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 20:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Valentina Cardoso: She meets the specific WP:RY criteria for deaths, but seems best known for what happened to her, rather than what she did. I'm not sure she should be here. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
He was a global figure who's music will be heard by many generations to come he deserves his photo in the December section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edge4life42 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in Ashot Anastasian? He meets WP:RY.
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Can you add in Claude Gensac? She meets WP:RY.
Could Phife Dawg be added in to the March death section? He meets WP:RY, as do A Tribe Called Quest.
Entertainer, animator - created "Adult Swim" on Cartoon Network. Deserves a mention. 24.39.192.122 ( talk) 13:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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In Deaths Section, please add:
Not done He clearly fails the minimum criteria at WP:RY and there is nothing in his article to suggest he is sufficiently notable for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 02:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Sure he has pages in six languages versus nine, but he was still a very significant person. His article says he was 'one of the "World's Most Influential Muslims"' and news of his death is still dominating the media in South Asia. Further, he in fact is a leader of the Tablighi Jamaat movement which is a school of thought within Sunni Islam and is said to currently have 150 million followers (see him mentioned here: /info/en/?search=Tablighi_Jamaat#Notable_members). His 1987 hit song from his former musical career is said to be "the unofficial national anthem of Pakistan" by the BBC World Service ( /info/en/?search=Dil_Dil_Pakistan). He was a South Asian icon known across the Indian Subcontinent; and India has the largest population diaspora in the world while Pakistan has the sixth largest. Google Trends also proves him to be consistently more popular than even many of the other people on this list (you can use the 'compare' feature on Google Trends). Furthermore, hundreds of thousands are expected at his funeral. So he was indeed "sufficiently notable". 15:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove Glenn Frey's image? Reason: There is no room for five images in January. And you also please remove Juan Gabriel's image because there's too many images in the August section. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 05:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in these two? They both met WP:RY before they died.
Thank you. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 14:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The iPhone 7's headphone jack removal is highly notable among the world. So is Donald Trump's election, which posed a lot of worldwide controversy, hence is notable enough more than local but also global, more than any other president in Wikipedia's history (the only ones Wikipedia faced were young Bush and Obama). Why can't any of them gain any inclusion? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 01:24, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Trump election should be included. The nomination and election absolutely dominated the headlines for over 9 months. For 9 months there was not a single day for any major U.S. newspaper without a Trump-related headline or article on the front page, with unprecedented international coverage of a U.S. campaign. It also represented only the 5th time the electoral college vote was different than the popular vote result. It also represents the first time a true outsider (no previous public office held and no previous military experience) was elected U.S. President. Trump's election, the campaign, and even the nomination process, clearly meets the "three-continent" rule under WP:RY. Both of Bill Clinton's elections in 1992 and 1996 are included in those respective Wikipedia pages of yearly events, as is George Bush Sr's election (1988), and both of Ronald Reagan's 2 terms (1980 and 1984). Definitely newsworthy and international enough to include. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.113.88.104 ( talk) 18:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove William Christopher because of WP:RY? He has only eight non-English Wikipedias at the time of his death. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 02:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Done Done. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 03:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
William Christopher has nine non-English Wiki articles. They include German, Persian, French, Dutch, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Swedish, and Turkish. He should be added to the list of 2016 deaths in accordance with WP:RY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underwoodl06 ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hello! Could you add a line to the introduction clarifying that this page focuses on international news? It is not immediately clear why certain significant events are omitted from this list, so perhaps a sentence is needed to explain that the events listed here involve two or more countries. This clarification may be helpful in explaining why events like Trump's election or the Pulse Nightclub shooting are not listed on this page.
Thanks! 09:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC) Amandaleighevans ( talk) 09:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Norden1990 is very determined to include the image of Vilmos Zsigmond. As a cinematographer, he does not enjoy anything like the profile of performers like Rickman, and is a long way from being a household name. Norden accused me of bias and lack of knowledge in removing this image. Actually I was a projectionist in the 1980s, I know perfectly well who Zsigmond is, but cinematographers are generally not well known outside the industry and the images in this list are selective, figures likely to have widespread recognition, essentially household names. I think this image does not belong: it violates the principle of minimum astonishment. Guy ( Help!) 20:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Add to April 20th? She was a vastly influencial and important performer and writer in British comedy and has a vast legacy 89.243.127.130 ( talk) 17:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Please can you include Gary Sprake? See /info/en/?search=Gary_Sprake
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLangley ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Not done He fails WP:RY, no justification for making an exception. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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March 31st. Ronnie Corbett, Comedian, actor, writer, broadcaster (b. 1930) Nigel Tilbury ( talk) 12:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Can you remove Benjamin A. Gilman as per WP:RY? He did not met the requirements at the time of his death. 206.45.11.108 ( talk) 05:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Another entry to the death. A German Jazz master, Knut Kieswetter. He died on 12.28. /info/en/?search=Knut_Kiesewetter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:2388:D600:24A6:796D:8161:B7D8 ( talk) 13:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
The election of Donald Trump to the US Presidency is widely regarded as one of the most notable events of 2016. Its
inclusion was however
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WP:RY criteria, which sounds bizarre: by this logic we could probably remove 95% of other events on the page. The
WP:RY#Politics and legislation section says: National elections are not usually included unless they represent a significant change in the country. Some elections gain international significance for other reasons and this can be demonstrated through several international news sources.
Trump's election easily fulfills these criteria: both supporters and opponents reckon that his policies and attitude are dramatically outside the realm of conventions and will indeed change the country (for better or for worse is in the eye of the beholder), and international media coverage of this US election cycle has been utterly massive. If that were needed, here is some documented proof of worldwide notability:
I believe that the above rationale sufficiently demonstrates that the event should be included. Comments welcome. — JFG talk 12:01, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
For these collective reasons, alongside my more inclusionist philosophy on Wikipedia, I find it easy to say that WP:IGNORE should be applied in this situation and that the election of Donald Trump should be added. Thanks. WClarke ( talk) 18:57, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
November 8 – Donald Trump is elected 45th President of the United States.No need to insert any political views or WP:CRYSTAL speculation in there; this election was one of the top worldwide events of 2016, that's an obvious fact. Happy new year, folks! — JFG talk 08:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
For anybody still insisting that the election of Donald Trump isn't notable enough to be added to the article because it is a "local issue within the United States" that doesn't affect the rest of the world, here is a list with links to the front pages of newspapers from countries of every continent of the world (except Antarctica), most with very large and dramatic headlines:
If an event that is on the front pages of essentially every reputable/notable newspaper across the globe isn't "notable" enough to be added to the article, then what event is? I see at least six editors above agreeing that the election of Donald Trump should be added: according to WP:RY, consensus can overrule the standards listed on the page. If anyone else objects (or supports) the inclusion of the election of Donald Trump, please say so below. Otherwise, I think that there is consensus and we can put this issue to rest. Thanks. WClarke ( talk) 06:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Disagreements aside, I want to say thank you to Derby and Yerpo and others who spend time maintaining Wikipedia pages. I think Wikipedia is one of the greatest and most useful websites on the planet, and that is because of the volunteers who spend their time and effort keeping it that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.160.4 ( talk) 19:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, it seems that maintainers of these "recent year" pages are adamantly opposed to inserting any election, no matter its significance or RS coverage. I checked the last 10 years and only saw elections creeping into 2008 (Obama, Castro, Mugabe, Trudeau), one in 2006 (Sirleaf), none in 2007 and 2009–2016, so enforcement looks efficient. On the other hand, our readers are treated to the eminently notable International Year of the Potato. Methinks "encyclopedic standards" need an overhaul… — JFG talk 09:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
More seriously, it seems that maintainers are opposed in principle to listing a worldwide notable event because the event happens to be an election. Would it be rejected if it was some other kind of event with the same weight of notability? The criterion of "impact on the world" is certainly a noble endeavour, but again who are we to judge? Especially with "fresh" events, long-term significance is hard to guess. Perusing the last few years of selected events, we've got art lovers marveling at auction records or stolen works, space lovers giving the same weight to a historic Pluto mission and a puny satellite launch by North Korea, environment lovers religiously tracking CO2 levels and ratifications of protocols, economics lovers wondering what caused the year's crash or surge, architecture lovers documenting the newest bridges, tunnels or skyscrapers, and obviously the gory news lovers reporting plane crashes and terrorist attacks. None of those events is changing the world by itself: if that is the key criterion for insertion, we might as well blank the page.
It has been noted in the debate above that other language wikis are more liberal in events they choose to include in their "year overview" pages. Still they don't seem to crumble under dozens of local election reports or plane crashes every year: I honestly think we are being too strict here. Perhaps we should look for editorial third-party sources which compile top events independently of what WP volunteers think is important?
Another idea: select the top 5 or top 10 events in each "Year in xxx" category, and promote those to the 2016 "front page". That would be really illustrative of what happened in the world and would satisfy the individual interests of every reader. — JFG talk 09:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Derby and Yerpo argued above (see above under the iPhone and Trump headline) that the 2016 election is NOT YET important but that it may become important enough for inclusion at a later date. By that measure, the Brexit vote should not be included because Great Britain has not yet left the European Union and isn't even certain to do so until Article 50 is invoked in March 2017 and even then the process of leaving the European Union won't be complete until March 2019. Certainly no one is arguing Brexit was not one of the most important events of the year 2016. And neither is the U.S. presidential election, and thus should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.160.4 ( talk) 18:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The refusal to include Ronnie Corbett and Victoria Wood in the deaths section, despite easily confirmable notability, forces me to officially contest the inclusion of Ron Glass and Jerry Doyle, who are far less notable (Doyle in particular as his only claims to fame were a supporting role in a 1990s sci-fi series and a radio show). (This is not meant to insult Glass and Doyle and their supporters, but rather to make a point at the ridiculousness and inconsistency of the WP:RY criteria. 136.159.160.3 ( talk) 22:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Deaths for the end of December 2016 (29, 30, 31) in the 2016 yearly page (this article) do not correlate (are not consistent) with the deaths listed in the December 2016 Wikipedia Deaths page article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.177.194 ( talk) 02:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I only wanted to replace Janet Reno's image for Lupita Tovar because I know about double and triple imaging quite well, and quite frankly, how can there be too many entertainers? There's only 12 (Vilmos Zsigmond, David Bowie, Alan Rickman, Nancy Reagan [she was more First Lady of the U.S. than an entertainer], Patty Duke, Prince, Anton Yelchin, Gene Wilder, Andrzej Wajda, Leonard Cohen, George Michael and Carrie Fisher) entertainers compared to the 38 non-entertainers. Before that, there was 14, which included Juan Gabriel and Ralph Stanley. I had to remove those images because they were breaking the layout (Gabriel's wasn't breaking the layout), but this has gone too far. Same thing applies when I wanted Zsa Zsa Gabor's image because I was hoping she would have made it to 2017, but she didn't. So, if Gabor's image cannot be here, then it cannot be in the year she was born either. Same thing applies with Debbie Reynolds' image not being here too. But I will work out a solution. I'll see what I can do with the images. Once I do, I'm going to think long and hard. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 16:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC) (Oh, and the reason why it's part 2 is because part one is about Umberto Eco's image).
I wanted to add Mother Angelica to the Deaths Section. She died on March 27, 2016. I added her once, but I didn't know the rule for the less than 8 non-English articles. Signed, WIKIswagmaster842 23:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
As per previous consensus here, removed as lacking international notability. Just passes the minimum criteria at WP:RY but of the 9 non-English articles one, the Malay article [1], has not been edited since 2013 and was a copy of the English anyway, and the remainder are clones of the English wiki article with, in most cases, no local content. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 00:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
It has been regarded as one of the worst years in
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worst": "superlative form of bad: most bad", "bad" is: "Not good; unfavorable; negative". There's nothing
WP:VAGUE about this, in fact, it puts "controversial" as a vague word, a word used in the titles of some articles (
Hillary Clinton email controversy), also WP:VAGUE is a guideline, not a policy. ∼∼∼∼
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Regarding this edit, why does this being a talk page make it preferable to have a giant block of unreadable wiki mark up instead of nicely formatted references? -- Irn ( talk) 18:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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Ronnie did die in 2016, but he should be recognised by Wikipedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:628a:1300:8d52:ef87:3d:d2eb ( talk • contribs) 2017-09-23 12:13:33 (UTC)
@ Arthur Rubin: removed Brian Bedford with the comment " Doesn't seem to have been internationally notable at death; lived (and died) in the United States" In fact, Bedford is from the UK and lived at least part time in Canada. His death was covered in media outlets internationally: NY Times, The Guardian, The Globe & Mail, National Post. That last article details his career in all three countries. That's sufficient international notability to be included. agtx 21:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Adding the 2016 United States presidential election onto the page Paramount Pctures ( talk) 21:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
In a surprise victory, businessman and television personality Donald Trump is elected President of the United States as a Republican after running a populist campaign. [1]
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In any case, good ol' RY criteria says "National elections are not usually included unless they represent a significant change in the country (e.g., a nation's first election)." If electing Trump isn't a "significant change" I don't know what would be. Electing a dog? I imagine Clinton would have been listed yet her policy shifts would have paled into insignificance compared to the current "president"... The Rambling Man ( talk) 15:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
And before we get a revert on the Cubs, here's the international stories: France, front page in Mexico, front page in Colombia, front page in Japan, South Korea. agtx 15:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
To anticipate some other objections. Yes, I am from Chicago. No, I am not a Cubs fan. No, World Series wins are not necessarily internationally notable, but given the widespread coverage, this one is. agtx 15:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I have removed a number of hidden comments on this page because they are in direct violation of WP:HIDDEN, which says:
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The comments I removed were all phrased as "Do not add" (sometimes in all capital letters). Most of them were not discussed at all, so it's unclear that there was even consensus. Before readding such comments, you should a) discuss them here and b) make sure they comply with WP:HIDDEN, which is an MOS guideline. agtx 18:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't see international significance, unless the Peabody award is such. Nothing else presently in the article indicates international significance. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Why include? Do we include all bombings? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Removed as lacking notability. Just makes the minimum of non-English articles, but all articles are stubs and/or clones of the English article with no local content and consist largely of a list of film appearances. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove two things? Gisela May as per WP:RY, And the hidden note that says, "Per Wikipedia:Recent years, please add in people with nine non-English articles at the time of their death. Other people can be listed in Deaths in November 2016." Thank you. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 21:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Done Gisela May removed. Hidden note modified. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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I would like to update the deaths section of the article and add Harambe on may 28, 2016 2601:84:8900:414B:B536:9BFF:CA80:FDA7 ( talk) 23:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
He meets criteria, barely, but his career doesn't look too notable - mostly consisting of side roles in soap operas. I understand many people remember his villains, but objectively, I think he could be left out. Opinions? — Yerpo Eh? 09:54, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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Death: Nov 11. Victor Bailey (musician) American bass player born: 1960 92.109.98.138 ( talk) 14:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Not done He fails the minimum criteria at WP:RY (less than 9 non-English articles at the time of death). DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 20:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Just a little note, when the December section is bigger, can you add in an image of Alan Thicke? Thanks. Not now, but when there's more room. 206.45.11.108 ( talk) 23:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Sager's death was covered in the "British"., "French"., "German"., "Canadian"., and "Japanese". presses, just to name a few. His death was featured on the "front page". of the New York Times and was commemorated by all thirty teams in the world's largest basketball organization.
I would contend that he is a noteworthy exception to the WP:RY guideline on the number of non-English articles. Furthermore, I feel that this matter is worthy of review by more than one singular editor. Saget53 07:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you revert Chyna's image? I don't find her notable other than the fact she was a wrestler. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 02:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in these two?
Both of them met WP:RY before they died. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 15:00, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you revert to revision 756394185 by Elephantpink? The other names also fail WP:RY too. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 13:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Once there is more room, can you please add in an image of Zsa Zsa Gabor? Because we need one more female to end it off with the years.
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Done I added this now. It was a space issue before, and an astronaut and a Nobel winner were more notable even if you take into account gender bias Valentina Cardoso ( talk) 19:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I wanted that image because the other image of Gabor was incorrect. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 20:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Valentina Cardoso: She meets the specific WP:RY criteria for deaths, but seems best known for what happened to her, rather than what she did. I'm not sure she should be here. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
He was a global figure who's music will be heard by many generations to come he deserves his photo in the December section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edge4life42 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in Ashot Anastasian? He meets WP:RY.
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Could Phife Dawg be added in to the March death section? He meets WP:RY, as do A Tribe Called Quest.
Entertainer, animator - created "Adult Swim" on Cartoon Network. Deserves a mention. 24.39.192.122 ( talk) 13:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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In Deaths Section, please add:
Not done He clearly fails the minimum criteria at WP:RY and there is nothing in his article to suggest he is sufficiently notable for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 02:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Sure he has pages in six languages versus nine, but he was still a very significant person. His article says he was 'one of the "World's Most Influential Muslims"' and news of his death is still dominating the media in South Asia. Further, he in fact is a leader of the Tablighi Jamaat movement which is a school of thought within Sunni Islam and is said to currently have 150 million followers (see him mentioned here: /info/en/?search=Tablighi_Jamaat#Notable_members). His 1987 hit song from his former musical career is said to be "the unofficial national anthem of Pakistan" by the BBC World Service ( /info/en/?search=Dil_Dil_Pakistan). He was a South Asian icon known across the Indian Subcontinent; and India has the largest population diaspora in the world while Pakistan has the sixth largest. Google Trends also proves him to be consistently more popular than even many of the other people on this list (you can use the 'compare' feature on Google Trends). Furthermore, hundreds of thousands are expected at his funeral. So he was indeed "sufficiently notable". 15:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove Glenn Frey's image? Reason: There is no room for five images in January. And you also please remove Juan Gabriel's image because there's too many images in the August section. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 05:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you add in these two? They both met WP:RY before they died.
Thank you. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 14:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The iPhone 7's headphone jack removal is highly notable among the world. So is Donald Trump's election, which posed a lot of worldwide controversy, hence is notable enough more than local but also global, more than any other president in Wikipedia's history (the only ones Wikipedia faced were young Bush and Obama). Why can't any of them gain any inclusion? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 01:24, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Trump election should be included. The nomination and election absolutely dominated the headlines for over 9 months. For 9 months there was not a single day for any major U.S. newspaper without a Trump-related headline or article on the front page, with unprecedented international coverage of a U.S. campaign. It also represented only the 5th time the electoral college vote was different than the popular vote result. It also represents the first time a true outsider (no previous public office held and no previous military experience) was elected U.S. President. Trump's election, the campaign, and even the nomination process, clearly meets the "three-continent" rule under WP:RY. Both of Bill Clinton's elections in 1992 and 1996 are included in those respective Wikipedia pages of yearly events, as is George Bush Sr's election (1988), and both of Ronald Reagan's 2 terms (1980 and 1984). Definitely newsworthy and international enough to include. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.113.88.104 ( talk) 18:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you remove William Christopher because of WP:RY? He has only eight non-English Wikipedias at the time of his death. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 02:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Done Done. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 03:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
William Christopher has nine non-English Wiki articles. They include German, Persian, French, Dutch, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Swedish, and Turkish. He should be added to the list of 2016 deaths in accordance with WP:RY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underwoodl06 ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hello! Could you add a line to the introduction clarifying that this page focuses on international news? It is not immediately clear why certain significant events are omitted from this list, so perhaps a sentence is needed to explain that the events listed here involve two or more countries. This clarification may be helpful in explaining why events like Trump's election or the Pulse Nightclub shooting are not listed on this page.
Thanks! 09:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC) Amandaleighevans ( talk) 09:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Norden1990 is very determined to include the image of Vilmos Zsigmond. As a cinematographer, he does not enjoy anything like the profile of performers like Rickman, and is a long way from being a household name. Norden accused me of bias and lack of knowledge in removing this image. Actually I was a projectionist in the 1980s, I know perfectly well who Zsigmond is, but cinematographers are generally not well known outside the industry and the images in this list are selective, figures likely to have widespread recognition, essentially household names. I think this image does not belong: it violates the principle of minimum astonishment. Guy ( Help!) 20:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Add to April 20th? She was a vastly influencial and important performer and writer in British comedy and has a vast legacy 89.243.127.130 ( talk) 17:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Please can you include Gary Sprake? See /info/en/?search=Gary_Sprake
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLangley ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Not done He fails WP:RY, no justification for making an exception. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 21:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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March 31st. Ronnie Corbett, Comedian, actor, writer, broadcaster (b. 1930) Nigel Tilbury ( talk) 12:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Can you remove Benjamin A. Gilman as per WP:RY? He did not met the requirements at the time of his death. 206.45.11.108 ( talk) 05:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Another entry to the death. A German Jazz master, Knut Kieswetter. He died on 12.28. /info/en/?search=Knut_Kiesewetter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:2388:D600:24A6:796D:8161:B7D8 ( talk) 13:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
The election of Donald Trump to the US Presidency is widely regarded as one of the most notable events of 2016. Its
inclusion was however
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WP:RY criteria, which sounds bizarre: by this logic we could probably remove 95% of other events on the page. The
WP:RY#Politics and legislation section says: National elections are not usually included unless they represent a significant change in the country. Some elections gain international significance for other reasons and this can be demonstrated through several international news sources.
Trump's election easily fulfills these criteria: both supporters and opponents reckon that his policies and attitude are dramatically outside the realm of conventions and will indeed change the country (for better or for worse is in the eye of the beholder), and international media coverage of this US election cycle has been utterly massive. If that were needed, here is some documented proof of worldwide notability:
I believe that the above rationale sufficiently demonstrates that the event should be included. Comments welcome. — JFG talk 12:01, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
For these collective reasons, alongside my more inclusionist philosophy on Wikipedia, I find it easy to say that WP:IGNORE should be applied in this situation and that the election of Donald Trump should be added. Thanks. WClarke ( talk) 18:57, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
November 8 – Donald Trump is elected 45th President of the United States.No need to insert any political views or WP:CRYSTAL speculation in there; this election was one of the top worldwide events of 2016, that's an obvious fact. Happy new year, folks! — JFG talk 08:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
For anybody still insisting that the election of Donald Trump isn't notable enough to be added to the article because it is a "local issue within the United States" that doesn't affect the rest of the world, here is a list with links to the front pages of newspapers from countries of every continent of the world (except Antarctica), most with very large and dramatic headlines:
If an event that is on the front pages of essentially every reputable/notable newspaper across the globe isn't "notable" enough to be added to the article, then what event is? I see at least six editors above agreeing that the election of Donald Trump should be added: according to WP:RY, consensus can overrule the standards listed on the page. If anyone else objects (or supports) the inclusion of the election of Donald Trump, please say so below. Otherwise, I think that there is consensus and we can put this issue to rest. Thanks. WClarke ( talk) 06:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Disagreements aside, I want to say thank you to Derby and Yerpo and others who spend time maintaining Wikipedia pages. I think Wikipedia is one of the greatest and most useful websites on the planet, and that is because of the volunteers who spend their time and effort keeping it that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.160.4 ( talk) 19:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, it seems that maintainers of these "recent year" pages are adamantly opposed to inserting any election, no matter its significance or RS coverage. I checked the last 10 years and only saw elections creeping into 2008 (Obama, Castro, Mugabe, Trudeau), one in 2006 (Sirleaf), none in 2007 and 2009–2016, so enforcement looks efficient. On the other hand, our readers are treated to the eminently notable International Year of the Potato. Methinks "encyclopedic standards" need an overhaul… — JFG talk 09:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
More seriously, it seems that maintainers are opposed in principle to listing a worldwide notable event because the event happens to be an election. Would it be rejected if it was some other kind of event with the same weight of notability? The criterion of "impact on the world" is certainly a noble endeavour, but again who are we to judge? Especially with "fresh" events, long-term significance is hard to guess. Perusing the last few years of selected events, we've got art lovers marveling at auction records or stolen works, space lovers giving the same weight to a historic Pluto mission and a puny satellite launch by North Korea, environment lovers religiously tracking CO2 levels and ratifications of protocols, economics lovers wondering what caused the year's crash or surge, architecture lovers documenting the newest bridges, tunnels or skyscrapers, and obviously the gory news lovers reporting plane crashes and terrorist attacks. None of those events is changing the world by itself: if that is the key criterion for insertion, we might as well blank the page.
It has been noted in the debate above that other language wikis are more liberal in events they choose to include in their "year overview" pages. Still they don't seem to crumble under dozens of local election reports or plane crashes every year: I honestly think we are being too strict here. Perhaps we should look for editorial third-party sources which compile top events independently of what WP volunteers think is important?
Another idea: select the top 5 or top 10 events in each "Year in xxx" category, and promote those to the 2016 "front page". That would be really illustrative of what happened in the world and would satisfy the individual interests of every reader. — JFG talk 09:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Derby and Yerpo argued above (see above under the iPhone and Trump headline) that the 2016 election is NOT YET important but that it may become important enough for inclusion at a later date. By that measure, the Brexit vote should not be included because Great Britain has not yet left the European Union and isn't even certain to do so until Article 50 is invoked in March 2017 and even then the process of leaving the European Union won't be complete until March 2019. Certainly no one is arguing Brexit was not one of the most important events of the year 2016. And neither is the U.S. presidential election, and thus should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.164.160.4 ( talk) 18:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The refusal to include Ronnie Corbett and Victoria Wood in the deaths section, despite easily confirmable notability, forces me to officially contest the inclusion of Ron Glass and Jerry Doyle, who are far less notable (Doyle in particular as his only claims to fame were a supporting role in a 1990s sci-fi series and a radio show). (This is not meant to insult Glass and Doyle and their supporters, but rather to make a point at the ridiculousness and inconsistency of the WP:RY criteria. 136.159.160.3 ( talk) 22:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Deaths for the end of December 2016 (29, 30, 31) in the 2016 yearly page (this article) do not correlate (are not consistent) with the deaths listed in the December 2016 Wikipedia Deaths page article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.177.194 ( talk) 02:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I only wanted to replace Janet Reno's image for Lupita Tovar because I know about double and triple imaging quite well, and quite frankly, how can there be too many entertainers? There's only 12 (Vilmos Zsigmond, David Bowie, Alan Rickman, Nancy Reagan [she was more First Lady of the U.S. than an entertainer], Patty Duke, Prince, Anton Yelchin, Gene Wilder, Andrzej Wajda, Leonard Cohen, George Michael and Carrie Fisher) entertainers compared to the 38 non-entertainers. Before that, there was 14, which included Juan Gabriel and Ralph Stanley. I had to remove those images because they were breaking the layout (Gabriel's wasn't breaking the layout), but this has gone too far. Same thing applies when I wanted Zsa Zsa Gabor's image because I was hoping she would have made it to 2017, but she didn't. So, if Gabor's image cannot be here, then it cannot be in the year she was born either. Same thing applies with Debbie Reynolds' image not being here too. But I will work out a solution. I'll see what I can do with the images. Once I do, I'm going to think long and hard. 206.45.42.137 ( talk) 16:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC) (Oh, and the reason why it's part 2 is because part one is about Umberto Eco's image).
I wanted to add Mother Angelica to the Deaths Section. She died on March 27, 2016. I added her once, but I didn't know the rule for the less than 8 non-English articles. Signed, WIKIswagmaster842 23:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
As per previous consensus here, removed as lacking international notability. Just passes the minimum criteria at WP:RY but of the 9 non-English articles one, the Malay article [1], has not been edited since 2013 and was a copy of the English anyway, and the remainder are clones of the English wiki article with, in most cases, no local content. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 00:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
It has been regarded as one of the worst years in
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worst": "superlative form of bad: most bad", "bad" is: "Not good; unfavorable; negative". There's nothing
WP:VAGUE about this, in fact, it puts "controversial" as a vague word, a word used in the titles of some articles (
Hillary Clinton email controversy), also WP:VAGUE is a guideline, not a policy. ∼∼∼∼
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Regarding this edit, why does this being a talk page make it preferable to have a giant block of unreadable wiki mark up instead of nicely formatted references? -- Irn ( talk) 18:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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Ronnie did die in 2016, but he should be recognised by Wikipedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:628a:1300:8d52:ef87:3d:d2eb ( talk • contribs) 2017-09-23 12:13:33 (UTC)
@ Arthur Rubin: removed Brian Bedford with the comment " Doesn't seem to have been internationally notable at death; lived (and died) in the United States" In fact, Bedford is from the UK and lived at least part time in Canada. His death was covered in media outlets internationally: NY Times, The Guardian, The Globe & Mail, National Post. That last article details his career in all three countries. That's sufficient international notability to be included. agtx 21:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Adding the 2016 United States presidential election onto the page Paramount Pctures ( talk) 21:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
In a surprise victory, businessman and television personality Donald Trump is elected President of the United States as a Republican after running a populist campaign. [1]
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In any case, good ol' RY criteria says "National elections are not usually included unless they represent a significant change in the country (e.g., a nation's first election)." If electing Trump isn't a "significant change" I don't know what would be. Electing a dog? I imagine Clinton would have been listed yet her policy shifts would have paled into insignificance compared to the current "president"... The Rambling Man ( talk) 15:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
And before we get a revert on the Cubs, here's the international stories: France, front page in Mexico, front page in Colombia, front page in Japan, South Korea. agtx 15:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
To anticipate some other objections. Yes, I am from Chicago. No, I am not a Cubs fan. No, World Series wins are not necessarily internationally notable, but given the widespread coverage, this one is. agtx 15:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I have removed a number of hidden comments on this page because they are in direct violation of WP:HIDDEN, which says:
When it is a mere local consensus that a certain edit should not be performed, the hidden text should be worded more softly to suggest to the editor to consult the talk page (or archive page if appropriate) for the current consensus prior to making the edit. Since consensus can change, it is inappropriate to use hidden text to try to prohibit making a certain edit merely because it would conflict with an existing consensus.
The comments I removed were all phrased as "Do not add" (sometimes in all capital letters). Most of them were not discussed at all, so it's unclear that there was even consensus. Before readding such comments, you should a) discuss them here and b) make sure they comply with WP:HIDDEN, which is an MOS guideline. agtx 18:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't see international significance, unless the Peabody award is such. Nothing else presently in the article indicates international significance. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Why include? Do we include all bombings? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:YEARS#"New English words" sections. Enterprisey ( talk!) 06:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
See WT:YEARS#Eclipses for a matter relevant to this page. Arthur Rubin (alternate) ( talk) 23:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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