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Why did you insist on that thing; Why; What will happen if it will remain in that way; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.86.255.196 ( talk) 19:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
The long-standing approach to these tables was to simply present the full number as given in the source as seen here. There were concerns that this approach violated MOS:LARGENUM which states "Where explicit uncertainty is unavailable (or is unimportant for the article's purposes) round to an appropriate number of significant digits; the precision presented should usually be conservative. Precise values (often given in sources for formal or matter-of-record reasons) should be used only where stable and appropriate to the context, or significant in themselves for some special reason." In response to this guideline, the table format was changed to this. However, as I explained at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Archive_58#MOS:LARGENUM_issues I believe this also violates MOS:UNCERTAINTY which states "The number of decimal places should be consistent within a list or context (The response rates were 41.0 and 47.4 percent, respectively, not 41 and 47.4 percent), unless different precisions are actually intended." Even though you can argue that 1.1 billion has the same number of decimal places as 1.1 million it is not the same level of precision, and if we are comparing quantities the grosses should all have the same level of precision. Currently there are two versions under dispute, and two solutions which were put forward at the Film project. I will present these below:
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3. The first solution put forward at the Film project which rounds to hundreds of thousands. This satisfies the MOS and has the added benefit of being numerically sortable for tables where this function is necessary.
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4. The second solution put forward by AngusWOOF at the Film project involves using a simple scaling unit and also rounds to hundreds of thousands; identical to the approach at K-pop#YouTube_views. This is also similar to the approach used by the World Bank and the IMF to present financial data.
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Before any more attempts are made to alter the format of the table we should discuss the issue here and arrive at a consensus. My preferred format is option 3, but option 4 is also acceptable to me too. In regards to option 1, I believe that the editors in favor of this should put forward an argument as to why that level of precision is required. Option 2 is a no-go for me: it doesn't comply with the MOS and it looks aesthetically poor how it changes units from a "billion" to a "million" halfway down the table. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Probably the word "decimal places" should be read as "decimal places or significant figures". I'd round it all to 3 sigfigs like this:
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See how much cleaner that is? And the reader's understanding isn't reduced one iota -- in fact it's increased, since brainpower isn't wasted dealing with the static of extra figures that make only 1/10 of 1% difference to anything. The figures should be right-aligned too, but before morning coffee I'm not gonna tangle with table syntax. I hope this helps. EEng ( talk) 12:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
As there has been no further comments, it appears that consensus has been reached - yes? Should a new thread be started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film to confirm the consensus should be carried to all "XXXX in film" articles? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 17:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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There were discussions above about making the number format consistent with MOS:LARGENUM. Christmas seems to have thrown us off track slightly, so I will summarise the options above so we can survey opinion. If there is a consensus for one particular version then we can install the new table. If not we can file a formal RFC, but that ultimately could result in a version none of us particularly like. Betty Logan ( talk) 08:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Here are the various options (I am starting a new section to maximise editorial input):
1. Long-standing version with unnecessary level of precision (violates MOS:LARGENUM; I have taken the liberty of adding right-alignment per a suggestion in the discussion)
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2. New version with different levels of precision (violates MOS:UNCERTAINTY unless different levels of precision are intended; no right-alignment due to a mix of words and numbers)
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3. The first solution put forward at the Film project which rounds to hundreds of thousands. This satisfies the MOS and has the added benefit of being numerically sortable for tables where this function is necessary.
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4. The second solution put forward by AngusWOOF at the Film project involves using a simple scaling unit and is identical to the approach at K-pop#YouTube_views. This is also similar to the approach used by the World Bank and the IMF to present financial data. Uses "$000,000s" to denote the scale, which is consistent with usage at CNN.
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5. A slight variation on the one above proposed by EEng which sees the figures round to the nearest 10 million. Uses "$ million" to denote the scale which is consistent with the World Bank.
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Hi, I added a new movie; but I was unfamiliar with the terms date= and accessdate= and their differences in the edit page. So I entered both of them the same. Is it incorrect? Can someone please give me a brief info about the terms? 5.235.92.58 ( talk) 15:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Is it possible to leave only two films credits to each person in the "Notable deaths" section? Since 2015 is passed, we could try to save some space in the page... -- AleCapHollywood ( talk) 17:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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Why did you insist on that thing; Why; What will happen if it will remain in that way; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.86.255.196 ( talk) 19:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
The long-standing approach to these tables was to simply present the full number as given in the source as seen here. There were concerns that this approach violated MOS:LARGENUM which states "Where explicit uncertainty is unavailable (or is unimportant for the article's purposes) round to an appropriate number of significant digits; the precision presented should usually be conservative. Precise values (often given in sources for formal or matter-of-record reasons) should be used only where stable and appropriate to the context, or significant in themselves for some special reason." In response to this guideline, the table format was changed to this. However, as I explained at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Archive_58#MOS:LARGENUM_issues I believe this also violates MOS:UNCERTAINTY which states "The number of decimal places should be consistent within a list or context (The response rates were 41.0 and 47.4 percent, respectively, not 41 and 47.4 percent), unless different precisions are actually intended." Even though you can argue that 1.1 billion has the same number of decimal places as 1.1 million it is not the same level of precision, and if we are comparing quantities the grosses should all have the same level of precision. Currently there are two versions under dispute, and two solutions which were put forward at the Film project. I will present these below:
1. Long-standing version with unnecessary level of precision (violates MOS:LARGENUM)
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3. The first solution put forward at the Film project which rounds to hundreds of thousands. This satisfies the MOS and has the added benefit of being numerically sortable for tables where this function is necessary.
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4. The second solution put forward by AngusWOOF at the Film project involves using a simple scaling unit and also rounds to hundreds of thousands; identical to the approach at K-pop#YouTube_views. This is also similar to the approach used by the World Bank and the IMF to present financial data.
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Before any more attempts are made to alter the format of the table we should discuss the issue here and arrive at a consensus. My preferred format is option 3, but option 4 is also acceptable to me too. In regards to option 1, I believe that the editors in favor of this should put forward an argument as to why that level of precision is required. Option 2 is a no-go for me: it doesn't comply with the MOS and it looks aesthetically poor how it changes units from a "billion" to a "million" halfway down the table. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Probably the word "decimal places" should be read as "decimal places or significant figures". I'd round it all to 3 sigfigs like this:
5.
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See how much cleaner that is? And the reader's understanding isn't reduced one iota -- in fact it's increased, since brainpower isn't wasted dealing with the static of extra figures that make only 1/10 of 1% difference to anything. The figures should be right-aligned too, but before morning coffee I'm not gonna tangle with table syntax. I hope this helps. EEng ( talk) 12:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
As there has been no further comments, it appears that consensus has been reached - yes? Should a new thread be started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film to confirm the consensus should be carried to all "XXXX in film" articles? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 17:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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There were discussions above about making the number format consistent with MOS:LARGENUM. Christmas seems to have thrown us off track slightly, so I will summarise the options above so we can survey opinion. If there is a consensus for one particular version then we can install the new table. If not we can file a formal RFC, but that ultimately could result in a version none of us particularly like. Betty Logan ( talk) 08:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Here are the various options (I am starting a new section to maximise editorial input):
1. Long-standing version with unnecessary level of precision (violates MOS:LARGENUM; I have taken the liberty of adding right-alignment per a suggestion in the discussion)
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3. The first solution put forward at the Film project which rounds to hundreds of thousands. This satisfies the MOS and has the added benefit of being numerically sortable for tables where this function is necessary.
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4. The second solution put forward by AngusWOOF at the Film project involves using a simple scaling unit and is identical to the approach at K-pop#YouTube_views. This is also similar to the approach used by the World Bank and the IMF to present financial data. Uses "$000,000s" to denote the scale, which is consistent with usage at CNN.
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5. A slight variation on the one above proposed by EEng which sees the figures round to the nearest 10 million. Uses "$ million" to denote the scale which is consistent with the World Bank.
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Hi, I added a new movie; but I was unfamiliar with the terms date= and accessdate= and their differences in the edit page. So I entered both of them the same. Is it incorrect? Can someone please give me a brief info about the terms? 5.235.92.58 ( talk) 15:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Is it possible to leave only two films credits to each person in the "Notable deaths" section? Since 2015 is passed, we could try to save some space in the page... -- AleCapHollywood ( talk) 17:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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