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@ Jgmac1106: In this you wrote that the protests "involved large scale efforts by Russian media to shape propaganda about protests" using this as a source about the 2 May 2014 deaths in Odesa. The only somewhat relevant sentences I could find was: "The Russian channels characterised the Odesa events as 'the 21st century’s Khatyn'... Overall, Russian television painted a picture of an aggressive post-Maidan Kyiv 'junta' trying violently to put down 'supporters of federalism' and Russian-speakers more generally... Russian television also highlighted the inaction and possible collusion of the police with the perpetrators of violence, but characterised the activists with red armbands attacking pro-Maidan march participants from behind police lines as pro-Maidan agents-provocateurs, not anti-Maidan activists... The Russian coverage neglected instances of pro-Maidan activists aiding those trapped in the burning building to escape and instead emphasised pro-Maidaners attacking those who tried to escape the inferno". I do not see anything that explicitly supports the statement you added, especially considering it is about Odesa only.
In addition you wrote "the portayal of protests often used crisis actors" using this as a source which again is about the Odesa deaths but I do not see anything about "crisis actors". It mentions the atrocity narratives on TV e.g. photo of the supposedly strangled woman from that day. The only mention of acting is by the talk show guests. Even in your edit summary you only mention "crisis Actors in the Odesa Union Hall coverage". I am not sure where you got "crisis actors" from. You also mention disinformation techniques but this is vague and the source used here only focuses on media after these events (i.e. during the war in eastern Ukraine). In that edit you also changed that the unrest was in the "early stages" to "throughout" the war (i.e. from 2014 to present) rather than early 2014, I think you have misunderstood what this article is about.
Also for some reason you are introducing this information in the lead and not in the body. The lead is supposed to summarize the information in the body and not include unnecessary details. There is also a separate article for media portrayal and disinformation. Mellk ( talk) 20:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Pomerantsev himself said the protests and state media are linked.
mellk how do you feel about changing the word Ouster? I feel like it has a connotation of a Coup.
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Given the vote was 328-0 in the Rada supporting removal I think we shoudl change.
What do you think about "democratically removed" or a variation thereof Jgmac1106 ( talk) 23:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The map used in the infobox says protests were in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson and so on, while the article lists none of such. Why the map is there? ManyAreasExpert ( talk) 22:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Jgmac1106: In this you wrote that the protests "involved large scale efforts by Russian media to shape propaganda about protests" using this as a source about the 2 May 2014 deaths in Odesa. The only somewhat relevant sentences I could find was: "The Russian channels characterised the Odesa events as 'the 21st century’s Khatyn'... Overall, Russian television painted a picture of an aggressive post-Maidan Kyiv 'junta' trying violently to put down 'supporters of federalism' and Russian-speakers more generally... Russian television also highlighted the inaction and possible collusion of the police with the perpetrators of violence, but characterised the activists with red armbands attacking pro-Maidan march participants from behind police lines as pro-Maidan agents-provocateurs, not anti-Maidan activists... The Russian coverage neglected instances of pro-Maidan activists aiding those trapped in the burning building to escape and instead emphasised pro-Maidaners attacking those who tried to escape the inferno". I do not see anything that explicitly supports the statement you added, especially considering it is about Odesa only.
In addition you wrote "the portayal of protests often used crisis actors" using this as a source which again is about the Odesa deaths but I do not see anything about "crisis actors". It mentions the atrocity narratives on TV e.g. photo of the supposedly strangled woman from that day. The only mention of acting is by the talk show guests. Even in your edit summary you only mention "crisis Actors in the Odesa Union Hall coverage". I am not sure where you got "crisis actors" from. You also mention disinformation techniques but this is vague and the source used here only focuses on media after these events (i.e. during the war in eastern Ukraine). In that edit you also changed that the unrest was in the "early stages" to "throughout" the war (i.e. from 2014 to present) rather than early 2014, I think you have misunderstood what this article is about.
Also for some reason you are introducing this information in the lead and not in the body. The lead is supposed to summarize the information in the body and not include unnecessary details. There is also a separate article for media portrayal and disinformation. Mellk ( talk) 20:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Pomerantsev himself said the protests and state media are linked.
mellk how do you feel about changing the word Ouster? I feel like it has a connotation of a Coup.
(note edited to reflect mistake in naming Rada)
Given the vote was 328-0 in the Rada supporting removal I think we shoudl change.
What do you think about "democratically removed" or a variation thereof Jgmac1106 ( talk) 23:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The map used in the infobox says protests were in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson and so on, while the article lists none of such. Why the map is there? ManyAreasExpert ( talk) 22:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)