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Revolution: "A fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time."
Coup: "The sudden and illegal seizure of a government, usually instigated by a small group of the existing state establishment to depose the established government and replace it with a new ruling body, civil or military."
Let me explain the difference clearly. A revolution occurs when forces abolish government power structures. This clearly did not occur. A coup occurs when one faction of the government seizes control of the existing power structures. This clearly did occur.
There was no revolution in Ukraine. There was only a coup. The article should be retitled accordingly. This position is non-POV and sustainable. I recommend: "Maidan Coup" or "2014 Ukrainian Coup". 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 15:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
A coup is when the government is overthrown by a group that's hostile towards the west, while a revolution is when a government is overthrown by a group favourable towards the west. Western media 101. Simple enough? But in all seriousness, this article is obviously misnamed; coup or not, it certainly wasn't a revolution. LokiiT ( talk) 20:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Is this a serious discussion? It wasn't a coup, that's hilarious. No legitimate source calls it a coup. Are we done here? -- Львівське ( говорити) 06:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC) I wouldn't call it a coup but Russia Today does. Is that not RS? And the Iranian Revolutuion was around 35 years ago, since the end of the cold-war there have been many 'colour-coded' revolutions favourable to the West. So I'm for neither 'coup' nor 'revolution'
Has there been any decision that RT is not RS. It is surely reliable in stating the Russian government's view that this was a Putsch, which is all I am indicating in lead. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 08:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Re: [1]. Oy! Come on! The source you added to supposedly support the fact that it was a "coup" is all about how it was NOT a coup, even though Russian government tries to pretend it was! You are blatantly misrepresenting a source here, which is a blockable offense. You are basically "lying with sources".
Of course it is true that the Russian government calls it a coup. And this is already included in the lede. But you cannot add your own made up article title to the first sentence in an attempt to push POV. When and if actual reliable sources call the thing coup (not say "Russian government calls it a coup" which is a different thing), then you could do that. But for now please stop it with the POV pushing and the misrepresentation of sources. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 12:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Well please report me and see if I get blocked. I am not arguing whether it was a coup or not simply that some people regard it as a coup. If you think RT is not a reliable source for anything the Russian government said I have used the Guardian. I'm not adding an article title, I'm qualifying the title of the article in the first sentence, trying to accomodate the views of a significant minority of editors in the discussion above. It's not pushing POV it's trying to see that all points of view are represented. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 12:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we remove the POV-title tag? There appears to be no consensus to call this a "coup", only to note that the Russian government calls it that. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 11:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Why did nobody complain and speek about an Ukrain crisis when Russian people where ukrainized whithout being asked? No chance of a referrendum .. just new borders by goveernments above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.165.90.170 ( talk) 04:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Very good point that should not be disregarded, the history of the Russian's in Crimea has been overlooked and is rather central to the events... simmering discontent... Perhaps you could put a parragraph together and even a new WP page? WP is not a notice board for political views but facts this seems like an important background fact. 180.149.192.132 ( talk) 20:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Could Volunteer Marek, or somebody else, please explain why he reverted my edit about the interview Bogomolets had with CNN on the 20th. I added this because I think it is relevant. Bogolomets says she never treated miltary or Berkut personnel during the violence on 18th - 20th of february, but in this interview she says she did. Whatever you may think of that, it is a fact, not speculation, POV, rumor, outdated info, or whatever reason Volunteer Marek is citing. So why? Bandar kecil ( talk) 17:35, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
So here's a title that I'm proposing for a possible rename, given that some of the above users who did support the move to Revolution, were still not completely sure about the title.
The reason being that the Ukrainian parliament has remained more or less intact even with some current and former Party of Regions MP's staying, which means that their mandate has been preserved, if they've been present in the current proceedings; and despite the previous government fleeing and the parliament voting to remove the president, and therefore a better word for it might be uprising. Comments are welcome. - Mardus ( talk) 00:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Might you support the move from "2014 Ukrainian revolution" to 2014 Ukrainian uprising?
Leave your support, opposition and comments below in the section.
With all due respect, you seem to be making it up as you go along. What is happening in Ukraine is by no means a revolution. There were protests and there was a regime change, but nothing else has changed. The social structure hasn't changed, the economic structure hasn't changed, the culture hasn't changed, there's no change in class structure... the list goes on. People even debate whether the Meiji Restoration in Japan in 1868 counts, and that event did have virtually all the hallmarks of a revolution. In this case, a democratically elected parliament voted to remove a sitting president, and now there is an interim government. The title of this article is wildly incorrect, and I say this as someone who has studied revolution theory at degree level. One of the leading academics on revolution theory is Theda Skocpol; whilst I strongly disagree with her in relation to the Meiji Restoration, you should find a fairly comprehensive analysis of what constitutes a revolution in her work. Perhaps start with this one: States and Social Revolutions: A Comparative Analysis of France, Russia, and China, Cambridge University Press (New York), 1979. 86.161.244.214 ( talk) 23:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Maidan Coup: "The sudden and illegal seizure of a government, usually instigated by a small group of the existing state establishment to depose the established government and replace it with a new ruling body, civil or military." This was not a revolution by an outside group but a coup by an existing government faction which had failed to win elections. 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 15:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Should Russia's view on the revolution be discussed in this article? Absolutely. What Putin thinks? Certainly. But it seems more than a little odd IMO that so much space and energy is given in THIS and many other Ukraine-related articles to the Kremlin's position. It seems to beg the conclusion that somehow in this the 21st Century Russia still "OWNS" Ukraine. Is the USSR really NOT a failed state afterall? Have these last 24 years just been an illusion?
Does this seem more than a little out-of-whack to anyone else? How about a section rel what Denmark or Iceland thinks? What about the official positions of Somalia or Zambia rel the subject? Or what about Mexico or Columbia? Paavo273 ( talk) 22:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Is this the wiki page where we can write about the recently outted Russian spy operating in Eastern Ukraine? http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&gl=ua&tbm=nws&q=Igor+Strelkov&oq=Igor+Strelkov Thank You, Anonymous
This is in personal opinion and not sourced. Provide a source or delete the statement.-- Wrant ( talk) 23:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe this has already been covered in the archives but surely a more accurate name for this article would be Ukrainian Coup d'état or Ukrainian Coup. The current name seems a bit POV to me. -- 109.246.151.191 ( talk) 12:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
No it didn't Washington Post said:
1. Thousands of protesters marched to the parliament building to support a vote to reduce the president's powers.
2. Yanukovych is still seen as inching closer to Russia
3. The core problems driving the protests are all still there.
The only thing they wrote was: "it's part of $15 billion in overall promised aid – but it's a reminder that Yanukovych is sticking with Putin.".
"a quick fix to plug holes in Ukraine’s indebted economy" should be added from this article to make clear why the money was needed: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/russia-gives-2-billion-boost-to-ukraines-embattled-yanukovych/article16922660/
-- Wrant ( talk) 23:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
There is a section /info/en/?search=2014_Ukrainian_revolution#Russian_involvement about Russian involvement. I suggest a new section about US/EU Involvement.
-- Wrant ( talk) 23:16, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Which three editors, there's you and there's Volunteer Marek I'd be glad if you could refer to the third. However you're surely supposed to respond to the points I raise, not just say it's not RS and keep silence. If you don't respond then it looks like you are not interested in the question any more. So, if reverting state exactly why it is not RS for each of the three references you are deleting.
Regarding 1 Russian government viewing the revolution as a coup as 'coup' [3] states "Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject." That justifies one. 2 Where RT agrees with another RS how can it be unreliable? 3 Regarding the view of the Mayor of Tallinn is there any reason to think that RT would misrepresent him. I would suggest that deletion of the references without answering these questions is an abuse of wikipedia and even if there is a majority of editors on this page who might support it that wouldn't make it an abuse. If such abuse continues can anyone advise me if there is a facility to report it.
As said this rather demonstrates that the Kremlin agents aren't editing this article. If they were editing anywhere on wikipedia they would surely edit here. If they aren't editing wikipedia we can feel fairly confident that the readers comments and approval ratings on such diverse publications as the Guardian and Daily Mail which show rather strong support for the Russian position over Ukraine aren't being edited by the Kremlin either, which shows that to have any credibility this article must give expression to such views. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 14:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems that on voting there is 3 to 2 but none of the 3 are trying to answer the points made by at least of the 2. Talk is about trying to reach consensus. If the 3 aren't trying to reach consensus do their vote count? Certainly if there is continuing silence from the 3 I will try to flag this up. I'll leave until tomorrow until I attempt that. Daily Mail not always the best source but if Daily Mail and RT agree that might provide some reassurance. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, what do the sources say? Russia Today Drops All Pretense Of Editorial Independence, Publishes Pro-Putin Propaganda The Kremlin funded Russia Today network, in the words of its former anchor Liz Wahl, regularly “whitewashes the actions of Putin.” And that is merely one organ of the enormous PR machine designed to gain support for Russian policies on our shores.(opinion) On the Kremlin's Overseas Propaganda News Channel, Putin Really Rules The Kremlin runs a multi-hundred million dollar propaganda machine—can it be sanctioned? Russia Today alone is a $400 million operation Russia Today, which acts as the chief mouthpiece of Putin’s propaganda Does not look good. Darkness Shines ( talk) 15:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
My 2 cents. Russia Today is reliable. It's surely not less reliable than anything else. UNIAN and Ukrainska Pravda use every opportunity to report something that denigrates the anti-Maidan forces. Russia Today is a much more serious news provider than these ones and it surely cares about its reputation more than them. And I've seen The Guardian, Daily Mail, etc. use every opportunity to repeat pro-Maidan propaganda too. They don't fact check the news they report. Yes, Russia Today is non-neutral, but none of the sources used in the article are. "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." It is against WP:NPOV to delete references to Russia Today. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 12:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
RT is as reliable as BBC. Is BBC a reliable source? 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 20:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
RT is more reliable than most sources used in the article. UNIAN, Ukrainska Pravda are pushing pro-Maidan views as it is their very purpose to do that. And The Guardian and Daily Mail are happy to repeat every little thing that comes out of the current Ukrainian power's mouth. I am also amazed that BBC does the same. It's like BBC doesn't even attempt to check the information that is given to them by the current Ukrainian power, doesn't even attempt to present a more complete picture. From my point of view, RT is much more clever and there is much more substance to how they present things. Yes, RT is non-neutral, but it cares about its reputation. (By the way, there are also several references to Radio Free Europe, which is funded by U.S. Congress. Yet, no one is talking about removing them.) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-foreign-affairs/news/ministry-of-foreign-affairs-of-hungary-urges-peaceful-solution-to-the-ukrainian-crisis. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Psychonaut ( talk) 19:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
... similar to this editnotice, which has been placed on the global warming article? Jarble ( talk) 14:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
What do you think? Would you support that page being created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.181.72 ( talk) 19:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
Revolution: "A fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time."
Coup: "The sudden and illegal seizure of a government, usually instigated by a small group of the existing state establishment to depose the established government and replace it with a new ruling body, civil or military."
Let me explain the difference clearly. A revolution occurs when forces abolish government power structures. This clearly did not occur. A coup occurs when one faction of the government seizes control of the existing power structures. This clearly did occur.
There was no revolution in Ukraine. There was only a coup. The article should be retitled accordingly. This position is non-POV and sustainable. I recommend: "Maidan Coup" or "2014 Ukrainian Coup". 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 15:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
A coup is when the government is overthrown by a group that's hostile towards the west, while a revolution is when a government is overthrown by a group favourable towards the west. Western media 101. Simple enough? But in all seriousness, this article is obviously misnamed; coup or not, it certainly wasn't a revolution. LokiiT ( talk) 20:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Is this a serious discussion? It wasn't a coup, that's hilarious. No legitimate source calls it a coup. Are we done here? -- Львівське ( говорити) 06:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC) I wouldn't call it a coup but Russia Today does. Is that not RS? And the Iranian Revolutuion was around 35 years ago, since the end of the cold-war there have been many 'colour-coded' revolutions favourable to the West. So I'm for neither 'coup' nor 'revolution'
Has there been any decision that RT is not RS. It is surely reliable in stating the Russian government's view that this was a Putsch, which is all I am indicating in lead. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 08:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Re: [1]. Oy! Come on! The source you added to supposedly support the fact that it was a "coup" is all about how it was NOT a coup, even though Russian government tries to pretend it was! You are blatantly misrepresenting a source here, which is a blockable offense. You are basically "lying with sources".
Of course it is true that the Russian government calls it a coup. And this is already included in the lede. But you cannot add your own made up article title to the first sentence in an attempt to push POV. When and if actual reliable sources call the thing coup (not say "Russian government calls it a coup" which is a different thing), then you could do that. But for now please stop it with the POV pushing and the misrepresentation of sources. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 12:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Well please report me and see if I get blocked. I am not arguing whether it was a coup or not simply that some people regard it as a coup. If you think RT is not a reliable source for anything the Russian government said I have used the Guardian. I'm not adding an article title, I'm qualifying the title of the article in the first sentence, trying to accomodate the views of a significant minority of editors in the discussion above. It's not pushing POV it's trying to see that all points of view are represented. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 12:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we remove the POV-title tag? There appears to be no consensus to call this a "coup", only to note that the Russian government calls it that. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 11:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Why did nobody complain and speek about an Ukrain crisis when Russian people where ukrainized whithout being asked? No chance of a referrendum .. just new borders by goveernments above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.165.90.170 ( talk) 04:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Very good point that should not be disregarded, the history of the Russian's in Crimea has been overlooked and is rather central to the events... simmering discontent... Perhaps you could put a parragraph together and even a new WP page? WP is not a notice board for political views but facts this seems like an important background fact. 180.149.192.132 ( talk) 20:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Could Volunteer Marek, or somebody else, please explain why he reverted my edit about the interview Bogomolets had with CNN on the 20th. I added this because I think it is relevant. Bogolomets says she never treated miltary or Berkut personnel during the violence on 18th - 20th of february, but in this interview she says she did. Whatever you may think of that, it is a fact, not speculation, POV, rumor, outdated info, or whatever reason Volunteer Marek is citing. So why? Bandar kecil ( talk) 17:35, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
So here's a title that I'm proposing for a possible rename, given that some of the above users who did support the move to Revolution, were still not completely sure about the title.
The reason being that the Ukrainian parliament has remained more or less intact even with some current and former Party of Regions MP's staying, which means that their mandate has been preserved, if they've been present in the current proceedings; and despite the previous government fleeing and the parliament voting to remove the president, and therefore a better word for it might be uprising. Comments are welcome. - Mardus ( talk) 00:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Might you support the move from "2014 Ukrainian revolution" to 2014 Ukrainian uprising?
Leave your support, opposition and comments below in the section.
With all due respect, you seem to be making it up as you go along. What is happening in Ukraine is by no means a revolution. There were protests and there was a regime change, but nothing else has changed. The social structure hasn't changed, the economic structure hasn't changed, the culture hasn't changed, there's no change in class structure... the list goes on. People even debate whether the Meiji Restoration in Japan in 1868 counts, and that event did have virtually all the hallmarks of a revolution. In this case, a democratically elected parliament voted to remove a sitting president, and now there is an interim government. The title of this article is wildly incorrect, and I say this as someone who has studied revolution theory at degree level. One of the leading academics on revolution theory is Theda Skocpol; whilst I strongly disagree with her in relation to the Meiji Restoration, you should find a fairly comprehensive analysis of what constitutes a revolution in her work. Perhaps start with this one: States and Social Revolutions: A Comparative Analysis of France, Russia, and China, Cambridge University Press (New York), 1979. 86.161.244.214 ( talk) 23:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Maidan Coup: "The sudden and illegal seizure of a government, usually instigated by a small group of the existing state establishment to depose the established government and replace it with a new ruling body, civil or military." This was not a revolution by an outside group but a coup by an existing government faction which had failed to win elections. 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 15:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Should Russia's view on the revolution be discussed in this article? Absolutely. What Putin thinks? Certainly. But it seems more than a little odd IMO that so much space and energy is given in THIS and many other Ukraine-related articles to the Kremlin's position. It seems to beg the conclusion that somehow in this the 21st Century Russia still "OWNS" Ukraine. Is the USSR really NOT a failed state afterall? Have these last 24 years just been an illusion?
Does this seem more than a little out-of-whack to anyone else? How about a section rel what Denmark or Iceland thinks? What about the official positions of Somalia or Zambia rel the subject? Or what about Mexico or Columbia? Paavo273 ( talk) 22:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Is this the wiki page where we can write about the recently outted Russian spy operating in Eastern Ukraine? http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&gl=ua&tbm=nws&q=Igor+Strelkov&oq=Igor+Strelkov Thank You, Anonymous
This is in personal opinion and not sourced. Provide a source or delete the statement.-- Wrant ( talk) 23:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe this has already been covered in the archives but surely a more accurate name for this article would be Ukrainian Coup d'état or Ukrainian Coup. The current name seems a bit POV to me. -- 109.246.151.191 ( talk) 12:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
No it didn't Washington Post said:
1. Thousands of protesters marched to the parliament building to support a vote to reduce the president's powers.
2. Yanukovych is still seen as inching closer to Russia
3. The core problems driving the protests are all still there.
The only thing they wrote was: "it's part of $15 billion in overall promised aid – but it's a reminder that Yanukovych is sticking with Putin.".
"a quick fix to plug holes in Ukraine’s indebted economy" should be added from this article to make clear why the money was needed: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/russia-gives-2-billion-boost-to-ukraines-embattled-yanukovych/article16922660/
-- Wrant ( talk) 23:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
There is a section /info/en/?search=2014_Ukrainian_revolution#Russian_involvement about Russian involvement. I suggest a new section about US/EU Involvement.
-- Wrant ( talk) 23:16, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Which three editors, there's you and there's Volunteer Marek I'd be glad if you could refer to the third. However you're surely supposed to respond to the points I raise, not just say it's not RS and keep silence. If you don't respond then it looks like you are not interested in the question any more. So, if reverting state exactly why it is not RS for each of the three references you are deleting.
Regarding 1 Russian government viewing the revolution as a coup as 'coup' [3] states "Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject." That justifies one. 2 Where RT agrees with another RS how can it be unreliable? 3 Regarding the view of the Mayor of Tallinn is there any reason to think that RT would misrepresent him. I would suggest that deletion of the references without answering these questions is an abuse of wikipedia and even if there is a majority of editors on this page who might support it that wouldn't make it an abuse. If such abuse continues can anyone advise me if there is a facility to report it.
As said this rather demonstrates that the Kremlin agents aren't editing this article. If they were editing anywhere on wikipedia they would surely edit here. If they aren't editing wikipedia we can feel fairly confident that the readers comments and approval ratings on such diverse publications as the Guardian and Daily Mail which show rather strong support for the Russian position over Ukraine aren't being edited by the Kremlin either, which shows that to have any credibility this article must give expression to such views. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 14:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems that on voting there is 3 to 2 but none of the 3 are trying to answer the points made by at least of the 2. Talk is about trying to reach consensus. If the 3 aren't trying to reach consensus do their vote count? Certainly if there is continuing silence from the 3 I will try to flag this up. I'll leave until tomorrow until I attempt that. Daily Mail not always the best source but if Daily Mail and RT agree that might provide some reassurance. Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, what do the sources say? Russia Today Drops All Pretense Of Editorial Independence, Publishes Pro-Putin Propaganda The Kremlin funded Russia Today network, in the words of its former anchor Liz Wahl, regularly “whitewashes the actions of Putin.” And that is merely one organ of the enormous PR machine designed to gain support for Russian policies on our shores.(opinion) On the Kremlin's Overseas Propaganda News Channel, Putin Really Rules The Kremlin runs a multi-hundred million dollar propaganda machine—can it be sanctioned? Russia Today alone is a $400 million operation Russia Today, which acts as the chief mouthpiece of Putin’s propaganda Does not look good. Darkness Shines ( talk) 15:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
My 2 cents. Russia Today is reliable. It's surely not less reliable than anything else. UNIAN and Ukrainska Pravda use every opportunity to report something that denigrates the anti-Maidan forces. Russia Today is a much more serious news provider than these ones and it surely cares about its reputation more than them. And I've seen The Guardian, Daily Mail, etc. use every opportunity to repeat pro-Maidan propaganda too. They don't fact check the news they report. Yes, Russia Today is non-neutral, but none of the sources used in the article are. "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." It is against WP:NPOV to delete references to Russia Today. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 12:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
RT is as reliable as BBC. Is BBC a reliable source? 173.79.251.253 ( talk) 20:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
RT is more reliable than most sources used in the article. UNIAN, Ukrainska Pravda are pushing pro-Maidan views as it is their very purpose to do that. And The Guardian and Daily Mail are happy to repeat every little thing that comes out of the current Ukrainian power's mouth. I am also amazed that BBC does the same. It's like BBC doesn't even attempt to check the information that is given to them by the current Ukrainian power, doesn't even attempt to present a more complete picture. From my point of view, RT is much more clever and there is much more substance to how they present things. Yes, RT is non-neutral, but it cares about its reputation. (By the way, there are also several references to Radio Free Europe, which is funded by U.S. Congress. Yet, no one is talking about removing them.) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 15:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-foreign-affairs/news/ministry-of-foreign-affairs-of-hungary-urges-peaceful-solution-to-the-ukrainian-crisis. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Psychonaut ( talk) 19:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
... similar to this editnotice, which has been placed on the global warming article? Jarble ( talk) 14:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
What do you think? Would you support that page being created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.181.72 ( talk) 19:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)