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NoonIcarus, explain the reason for deleting the link to the main article in the subsection on United States support for the Revolution. wp:povfork blatantly inappropriate as the main article is written from academic sources. Алексей Юрчак ( talk) 20:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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I restored the language to more neutral language. Although some sources do use the pejorative phrase "Russian propaganda", I did not see the phrase in the sources used for the sentence in sentence. (I do not have access to most of the sources.) For consistency, I rarely see the one-sided claims made in Western media (e.g. Propaganda_in_the_United_States) referred to as propaganda--like the WMDs used to justify the Iraq War (see Media_coverage_of_the_Iraq_War, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]) and the countless images of mushroom clouds suggesting that Iraq was on the verge of launching ICBMs. Yet, when I search the Iraq War article for the term "propaganda" nothing comes up.-- David Tornheim ( talk) 12:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
The loaded term was also introduced here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 12:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
We talked about this a few months ago it hasn't even been archived yet! there are plenty of academic sources for this!!!— blindlynx 13:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
you shouldn't be removing stuff because you don't have access to sources.I did not remove the term "propaganda." As I explained above, I restored the original neutral language "Russian media" from the loaded term "propaganda" by reverting this edit. I followed WP:BRD by reverting a bold edit and discussing.
Which sources used that loaded term?with edit summary "Request identification of which "sources describe it as such"".
I don't think you're acting in bad faithThank you.
Could you please explain what the iraq war has to do with this?Double-standards on Wikipedia. U.S. propaganda is not labelled as U.S. propaganda in Iraq war--when I hope we can all agree that the justification for going to that war was propaganda--while non-U.S. countries' propaganda for making similar arguments is identified as such. For the Iraq war, rather than saying that U.S. propaganda claimed ..., the article attributes those views to the proponents in the administration (e.g. Bush/Cheney) which were uncritically echoed in the U.S. mainstream media.
@ Closed Limelike Curves: Please stop edit warring. For academic sources that cover this not-so-current event, see my comment at Talk:Revolution_of_Dignity/Archive_10#Arbitrary_break. Also: An "A" rating normally needs a review, see the pages on rating. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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NoonIcarus, explain the reason for deleting the link to the main article in the subsection on United States support for the Revolution. wp:povfork blatantly inappropriate as the main article is written from academic sources. Алексей Юрчак ( talk) 20:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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-- David Tornheim ( talk) 12:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 14:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
I restored the language to more neutral language. Although some sources do use the pejorative phrase "Russian propaganda", I did not see the phrase in the sources used for the sentence in sentence. (I do not have access to most of the sources.) For consistency, I rarely see the one-sided claims made in Western media (e.g. Propaganda_in_the_United_States) referred to as propaganda--like the WMDs used to justify the Iraq War (see Media_coverage_of_the_Iraq_War, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]) and the countless images of mushroom clouds suggesting that Iraq was on the verge of launching ICBMs. Yet, when I search the Iraq War article for the term "propaganda" nothing comes up.-- David Tornheim ( talk) 12:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
The loaded term was also introduced here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 12:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
We talked about this a few months ago it hasn't even been archived yet! there are plenty of academic sources for this!!!— blindlynx 13:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
you shouldn't be removing stuff because you don't have access to sources.I did not remove the term "propaganda." As I explained above, I restored the original neutral language "Russian media" from the loaded term "propaganda" by reverting this edit. I followed WP:BRD by reverting a bold edit and discussing.
Which sources used that loaded term?with edit summary "Request identification of which "sources describe it as such"".
I don't think you're acting in bad faithThank you.
Could you please explain what the iraq war has to do with this?Double-standards on Wikipedia. U.S. propaganda is not labelled as U.S. propaganda in Iraq war--when I hope we can all agree that the justification for going to that war was propaganda--while non-U.S. countries' propaganda for making similar arguments is identified as such. For the Iraq war, rather than saying that U.S. propaganda claimed ..., the article attributes those views to the proponents in the administration (e.g. Bush/Cheney) which were uncritically echoed in the U.S. mainstream media.
@ Closed Limelike Curves: Please stop edit warring. For academic sources that cover this not-so-current event, see my comment at Talk:Revolution_of_Dignity/Archive_10#Arbitrary_break. Also: An "A" rating normally needs a review, see the pages on rating. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)