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Even if someone shot first in the air and there are liars that he was "Pro-Russian", it is meaningless. All the dead were Ukrainians. They had a legitimate political opinion and were murdered by a mob of thugs and war criminals. Of course the false slogan "Russian propaganda" is the answer to every claim. בצלאל א. ( talk) 21:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Both the hardcore fans of Chornomorets Odesa and FC Metalist Kharkiv put aside their football rivarly and attacked the pro-russia "Anti-Maidan" militants. 2A02:3030:815:366A:1:0:664A:231A ( talk) 18:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Ten years ago, on May 2, 2014, 42 people died in a fire in the House of Trade Unions on Kulikovo Field. Six more were killed earlier in street clashes between supporters and opponents of the Maidan in the center of Odessa. In total, about 250 people were injured.
The events near the House of Trade Unions were already developing as the final stage of a large confrontation on the Greek Square, which could become an analogue of the "Russian Spring" in Donetsk. It was on the Greek Square that the first skirmishes took place. From there, a patriotic march of Odessa and Kharkiv football fans started for the match between Chernomorets and Metallist. They were joined by other patriotic organizations and pro-Ukrainian activists. Before that, in the spring of 2014, anti-Maidan protesters set up a tent camp in Odessa on the square near the House of Trade Unions.
There was a rumor among the anti-Maidan activists that they wanted to disperse their tent city and some of them also came to the city center to disrupt the march. Although the day before the tragedy, members of the Kulikovo Field movement, who took part in Anti-Maidan actions, agreed to avoid meetings with patriots. But the decision was not unanimous, and the "anti-Maidan activists" nevertheless appeared on the march. No one will say why the agreement was violated. This is how the historical center of Odessa turns into a battlefield. First, pyrotechnics are used, then paving stones. Law enforcement officers have almost no control over the situation and do not interfere. Then the first shots and the first dead. Igor Ivanov, foreman of the Right Sector, and Andrei Biryukov, Euromaidan activist.
After that, Euromaidan supporters attacked the tent city on Kulikovo Field and destroyed it. The anti-Maidan activists who were there took refuge in the House of Trade Unions. Molotov cocktails are flying from both sides. After 15 minutes of such fighting, the building of the House of Trade Unions begins to burn. Dozens of people remained blocked. Some, trying to escape from the fire, jumped out of the windows. Rescuers did not arrive for more than half an hour, although there are some hundreds of meters from the nearest fire station to the scene of the events.
According to official data, 34 people died from burns and suffocation, eight more crashed while trying to jump out of windows. Later, the UN noted that the firefighters "arrived too late", although they were repeatedly called.
Despite the great international response, the investigation of the tragedy has not led to anything in ten years. 26 protesters were initially charged, but only five of them ended up behind bars. All of them turned out to be Anti-Maidan supporters.
By 2017, there were 19 suspects left in the case – and all of them were again from the opposition camp. In the same year, the court acquitted them for insufficient evidence. Sergei Dolzhenkov and Yevgeny Mefedov were detained again on charges of separatism, which was not connected with the House by the trade union. Later, Mefedov was sent on an exchange to Russia. The investigation has not identified those responsible for the mass death of people in the House of Trade Unions.
International organizations have repeatedly stated that the Ukrainian authorities did not properly investigate this crime. This was last noted in a recent US State Department human rights report.
Ironcurtain2 ( talk) 08:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
I have decided to stop supporting wikipedia due to significant modifications made to quite a few pages following the start of the war in Ukraine. I am disappointed by the blocking or banning of certain authors. This situation does not align with my understanding of fteedom of speech and appears to present only one party's narrative. I find this disheartening. 151.68.66.25 ( talk) 18:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Even if someone shot first in the air and there are liars that he was "Pro-Russian", it is meaningless. All the dead were Ukrainians. They had a legitimate political opinion and were murdered by a mob of thugs and war criminals. Of course the false slogan "Russian propaganda" is the answer to every claim. בצלאל א. ( talk) 21:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Both the hardcore fans of Chornomorets Odesa and FC Metalist Kharkiv put aside their football rivarly and attacked the pro-russia "Anti-Maidan" militants. 2A02:3030:815:366A:1:0:664A:231A ( talk) 18:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Ten years ago, on May 2, 2014, 42 people died in a fire in the House of Trade Unions on Kulikovo Field. Six more were killed earlier in street clashes between supporters and opponents of the Maidan in the center of Odessa. In total, about 250 people were injured.
The events near the House of Trade Unions were already developing as the final stage of a large confrontation on the Greek Square, which could become an analogue of the "Russian Spring" in Donetsk. It was on the Greek Square that the first skirmishes took place. From there, a patriotic march of Odessa and Kharkiv football fans started for the match between Chernomorets and Metallist. They were joined by other patriotic organizations and pro-Ukrainian activists. Before that, in the spring of 2014, anti-Maidan protesters set up a tent camp in Odessa on the square near the House of Trade Unions.
There was a rumor among the anti-Maidan activists that they wanted to disperse their tent city and some of them also came to the city center to disrupt the march. Although the day before the tragedy, members of the Kulikovo Field movement, who took part in Anti-Maidan actions, agreed to avoid meetings with patriots. But the decision was not unanimous, and the "anti-Maidan activists" nevertheless appeared on the march. No one will say why the agreement was violated. This is how the historical center of Odessa turns into a battlefield. First, pyrotechnics are used, then paving stones. Law enforcement officers have almost no control over the situation and do not interfere. Then the first shots and the first dead. Igor Ivanov, foreman of the Right Sector, and Andrei Biryukov, Euromaidan activist.
After that, Euromaidan supporters attacked the tent city on Kulikovo Field and destroyed it. The anti-Maidan activists who were there took refuge in the House of Trade Unions. Molotov cocktails are flying from both sides. After 15 minutes of such fighting, the building of the House of Trade Unions begins to burn. Dozens of people remained blocked. Some, trying to escape from the fire, jumped out of the windows. Rescuers did not arrive for more than half an hour, although there are some hundreds of meters from the nearest fire station to the scene of the events.
According to official data, 34 people died from burns and suffocation, eight more crashed while trying to jump out of windows. Later, the UN noted that the firefighters "arrived too late", although they were repeatedly called.
Despite the great international response, the investigation of the tragedy has not led to anything in ten years. 26 protesters were initially charged, but only five of them ended up behind bars. All of them turned out to be Anti-Maidan supporters.
By 2017, there were 19 suspects left in the case – and all of them were again from the opposition camp. In the same year, the court acquitted them for insufficient evidence. Sergei Dolzhenkov and Yevgeny Mefedov were detained again on charges of separatism, which was not connected with the House by the trade union. Later, Mefedov was sent on an exchange to Russia. The investigation has not identified those responsible for the mass death of people in the House of Trade Unions.
International organizations have repeatedly stated that the Ukrainian authorities did not properly investigate this crime. This was last noted in a recent US State Department human rights report.
Ironcurtain2 ( talk) 08:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
I have decided to stop supporting wikipedia due to significant modifications made to quite a few pages following the start of the war in Ukraine. I am disappointed by the blocking or banning of certain authors. This situation does not align with my understanding of fteedom of speech and appears to present only one party's narrative. I find this disheartening. 151.68.66.25 ( talk) 18:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)