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Readers of the page history will observe many edits before 25 December, when this edit was made. UFC 157 was created several months ago and deleted at AFD. At his request, the content was undeleted and moved to Oskar Liljeblad's userspace; using its information, Oskar created this page. Some time later, as a result of a deletion review, the UFC 157 history was undeleted and histmerged here. Nyttend ( talk) 02:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Articles should be separated as they are distinct events. Or at least UFC on Fox should have a separate page with all Fox and FX events, normal UFC events should be separate pages, and any other network based events should have their own page. Having to parse this mess is very difficult and makes zero sense. 50.125.167.6 ( talk) 21:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
If it is going to be sorted/grouped by year in wikipedia, then let's at least use that set-up to assist in finding stuff, which is currently too difficult. - Date is the only thing driving this layout. Therefore, the date should be as prominent as the event title. Currently, it is buried in the text. Since there are multiple types of events all mashed together (PPV, Fox, FX, TUF, etc.), finding the correct one isn't as easy as looking at the number. (Conversely, if only the PPV events were on the page, then it would be since every listing would be the next chronological number.) - Make a calendar at the top of the article with all twelve months where each day with an event is highlighted & hyperlinked to the location of that event. Real people in the real world use wikipedia to get info on upcoming fights (or at least they used to--the wiki page has fallen off the usual google searches, so it appears that fewer people find it useful). Making it very simple for them to go to the date (particularly through a calendar interface) will improve the useability of this format. I would do it myself, but I don't have the wiki skills to do it, and honestly, I have no desire to get sucked into the pissing contest which has become UFC on wiki. 206.83.48.110 ( talk) 14:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't know what caused this UFC page problem at wikipedia but this is just a damn mess. It was great clicking through events and progressing through the UFC but now it is half page of year events and some events have their own page??? STUPID.
These issues with the UFC pages caused me to NOT donate to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.172.200 ( talk) 00:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2013 in UFC's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Fuel9":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
This was a huge problem in 2012 and I thought it was finally resolved. Who is responsible for bringing this back? Yohaka ( talk) 01:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Another thing, this article is virtually impossible to read on mobile. This is a huge problem for those who want to look at the history of an individual UFC event while on their phone. Yohaka ( talk) 00:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The setup is a total mess now; put it back to individual pages for each event. It was simple to navigate with the now and next events listed in the information bar. If you really want an "events in UFC 2013" page, just list the events with hyperlinks to each individual event article. You guys realise there's going to be 50 odd events this year, right? As much as anything, it's impractical having them all on a single page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.105.111 ( talk) 01:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
The interesting thing is that the editors who push for omnibus articles are the ones that have no interest in reading, editing, maintaining, or updating articles, and dont even have an interest in the subject. Portillo ( talk) 01:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
TO FAZENDO UM COCO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.235.236.240 ( talk) 04:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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Given that it seems everyone is complaining about the current format, it is undeniable that there is NOT consensus in favor of it. 206.83.48.110 ( talk) 14:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
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Brock Jardine's loss is not a Knee Bar. It was a Hamstring Stretch submission. I take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and there was no knee bar. 71.94.20.219 ( talk) 00:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Such articles as this are referring to the main event as "the most historically significant fight of the year" even "20 years from now" and it received mainstream coverage: "SportsCenter was Tweeting all night about the fight. They’ve never done that before. It was on the front page of CNN, Sports Illustrated.com". How on earth could this article be deleted? -- 24.112.187.219 ( talk) 04:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Be bold and make the article. Portillo ( talk) 01:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I like how the UFC events are now organized---much more efficient. One thing that is missing are the purses/pay outs for the night. That used to be on the old version of the 72.48.160.154 ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)articles. Why is that gone now? Of course I want to know how much money they get paid!
And yes, I did look to see if this was already brought up. I apologize if it was and I missed it. I'm new to this so don't hound me.
Kyle (Did I do the signature thing right?)
Rankings and stats are an official part of the UFC now and should be included.
Key | |
---|---|
⇧ | Moved up in rankings |
⇩ | Moved down in rankings |
NR | Not previously ranked |
Heavyweight |
Light HeavyweightC: Jon Jones |
Middleweight
|
Welterweight |
Lightweight |
FeatherweightC: Jose Aldo
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Bantamweight |
Flyweight
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I've noted that an edit war has broken out on this page. I need to state two things:
Expressing that in plain English without acronyms, that means that the people that are removing the images are immune to being blocked for edit-warring. People that insert the images can be blocked for edit warring. I'm watching the edits, and will begin issuing blocks if this persists.— Kww( talk) 16:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Not including event posters really takes some of the integrity away from the articles. Portillo ( talk) 03:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Why their names are on the small font?!!!!! Rafael dos Anjos, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Joe Lauzon
I propose we delete this article as it does not conform to wikipedia notability guidelines. As far as I can see this is only a regular year in some sport organization and does not warrant a seperate articale. I suggest we merge the 2011, 2012 and 2013 articles into 2010s in UFC to resolve this problem and make Wikipedia more user-friendly. Thank you. 89.143.73.201 ( talk) 13:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
this style sucks. - each event should have its own page. far more information was provided - this way is horrible because by the end of the year there will be too much to look through. why would someone change this from what it used to be- it doesn't make sense - if anything you should have a site thats called ufc 2013 and provide a list of events and links to their wiki pages. this is just plain stupid - are actual ufc fans in charge of this craziness or nerds that don't know the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.44.45.98 ( talk) 20:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
From the discussion above, there's clearly no consensus to merge the articles by decade instead of by year. I went ahead and removed the merge templates from the article. CaSJer ( talk) 13:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The footnote explaining how Jon Jones broke his toe has no citation and is counter to an explanation given by Fox Sports. Thus, my edit. Also, I'd like to note how awkward this talk page is since we have comments on all the different UFC events in 2013. It would be cleaner to manage information for each event on individual pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevori ( talk • contribs) 07:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
While mindful of WP:POLL, I feel that a rough survey is necessary to show the severely limited effectiveness of this "yearly" page when compared to the previous format, and am not aware of such a poll having been conducted previously. I hope that one of the two formats, or another to be proposed, will establish itself as a clear favorite. If there exists significant disagreement, discussion can hopefully lead to agreeable consensus. Following that consensus, I think a detailed reiteration of policy arguments that have been made previously is long overdue.
IP Address is incorrect regarding de-archiving this thread SPECIFICALLY WP:TPNO says Do not misrepresent other people, Do not use the talk page as a forum. Discussion long passed into staleness and WP:SOAPBOX long ago and any reasonable user would have made that determination. I invite the IP address to check their BIAS at the door and consider what benefit there is in letting this straw poll (which has been definitively asserted Polling is not a substitute for discussion) become a backdoor attempt at overriding the consensus built on Wikipedia Rules/Policy/Guidelines/Best Practices/Manual of Style. If the supporters want to remove this compromise that is built on that consensus, then the next step would be to effectively gut any event that by itself did not meet the notability guidelines as interperted by a neutral party. I really doubt that is the desired goal, but the ball is now in the supporters court. Hasteur ( talk) 13:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty interesting that user Hasteur here is unilaterally closing down discussion as "involved editor" in clear violation of rules, and deleting my comments over and over while keeping his own which I'm pretty sure is against the rules, too. But I'm glad he linked me to Administrators' noticeboard, where I gather these rules are enforced. 75.172.12.104 ( talk) 15:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
UFC 157 should have its own separate wikipedia page, NOT a redirect from "2013 in UFC." UFC 157 was a landmark event as it had the first ever women's fight in UFC history. One of these women is Ronda Rousey, the most dominating female mixed martial artist in the world. Please understand that UFC 157 will always be remembered as the first UFC event with women fighting AND headlining the event. Anyone who works for Wikipedia and is capable of doing this, please change it so UFC 157 has its own separate Wikipedia page and NOT a redirect from the "2013 in UFC" Wikipedia page. Thanks. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 08:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theepicwarrior ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello,
Please allow the "UFC 157" page to be edited. Currently, "UFC 157" is a sub-article of "2013 in UFC." Unfortunately, this is unacceptable since UFC 157 was a landmark event as it headlined the first women's fight ever in the UFC, one of the women being Ronda Rousey. Also, every other numbered UFC event has its own separate Wikipedia page, so there is no excuse why "UFC 157" should not have its own separate article. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
The things that have changed since the deletion discussion is that Ronda Rousey has become the famous female athlete of all time. At the time of UFC 157, Rousey was hardly known to the general public. Now, she is a global phenomenon, being the third most searched person on Google last year. Again, please allow the UFC 157 page to be edited. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theepicwarrior ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC) Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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Readers of the page history will observe many edits before 25 December, when this edit was made. UFC 157 was created several months ago and deleted at AFD. At his request, the content was undeleted and moved to Oskar Liljeblad's userspace; using its information, Oskar created this page. Some time later, as a result of a deletion review, the UFC 157 history was undeleted and histmerged here. Nyttend ( talk) 02:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Articles should be separated as they are distinct events. Or at least UFC on Fox should have a separate page with all Fox and FX events, normal UFC events should be separate pages, and any other network based events should have their own page. Having to parse this mess is very difficult and makes zero sense. 50.125.167.6 ( talk) 21:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
If it is going to be sorted/grouped by year in wikipedia, then let's at least use that set-up to assist in finding stuff, which is currently too difficult. - Date is the only thing driving this layout. Therefore, the date should be as prominent as the event title. Currently, it is buried in the text. Since there are multiple types of events all mashed together (PPV, Fox, FX, TUF, etc.), finding the correct one isn't as easy as looking at the number. (Conversely, if only the PPV events were on the page, then it would be since every listing would be the next chronological number.) - Make a calendar at the top of the article with all twelve months where each day with an event is highlighted & hyperlinked to the location of that event. Real people in the real world use wikipedia to get info on upcoming fights (or at least they used to--the wiki page has fallen off the usual google searches, so it appears that fewer people find it useful). Making it very simple for them to go to the date (particularly through a calendar interface) will improve the useability of this format. I would do it myself, but I don't have the wiki skills to do it, and honestly, I have no desire to get sucked into the pissing contest which has become UFC on wiki. 206.83.48.110 ( talk) 14:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't know what caused this UFC page problem at wikipedia but this is just a damn mess. It was great clicking through events and progressing through the UFC but now it is half page of year events and some events have their own page??? STUPID.
These issues with the UFC pages caused me to NOT donate to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.172.200 ( talk) 00:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2013 in UFC's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Fuel9":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
This was a huge problem in 2012 and I thought it was finally resolved. Who is responsible for bringing this back? Yohaka ( talk) 01:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Another thing, this article is virtually impossible to read on mobile. This is a huge problem for those who want to look at the history of an individual UFC event while on their phone. Yohaka ( talk) 00:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The setup is a total mess now; put it back to individual pages for each event. It was simple to navigate with the now and next events listed in the information bar. If you really want an "events in UFC 2013" page, just list the events with hyperlinks to each individual event article. You guys realise there's going to be 50 odd events this year, right? As much as anything, it's impractical having them all on a single page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.105.111 ( talk) 01:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
The interesting thing is that the editors who push for omnibus articles are the ones that have no interest in reading, editing, maintaining, or updating articles, and dont even have an interest in the subject. Portillo ( talk) 01:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
TO FAZENDO UM COCO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.235.236.240 ( talk) 04:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
BRUNO PUNHETEIRO — Preceding
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Given that it seems everyone is complaining about the current format, it is undeniable that there is NOT consensus in favor of it. 206.83.48.110 ( talk) 14:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
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Brock Jardine's loss is not a Knee Bar. It was a Hamstring Stretch submission. I take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and there was no knee bar. 71.94.20.219 ( talk) 00:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Such articles as this are referring to the main event as "the most historically significant fight of the year" even "20 years from now" and it received mainstream coverage: "SportsCenter was Tweeting all night about the fight. They’ve never done that before. It was on the front page of CNN, Sports Illustrated.com". How on earth could this article be deleted? -- 24.112.187.219 ( talk) 04:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Be bold and make the article. Portillo ( talk) 01:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I like how the UFC events are now organized---much more efficient. One thing that is missing are the purses/pay outs for the night. That used to be on the old version of the 72.48.160.154 ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)articles. Why is that gone now? Of course I want to know how much money they get paid!
And yes, I did look to see if this was already brought up. I apologize if it was and I missed it. I'm new to this so don't hound me.
Kyle (Did I do the signature thing right?)
Rankings and stats are an official part of the UFC now and should be included.
Key | |
---|---|
⇧ | Moved up in rankings |
⇩ | Moved down in rankings |
NR | Not previously ranked |
Heavyweight |
Light HeavyweightC: Jon Jones |
Middleweight
|
Welterweight |
Lightweight |
FeatherweightC: Jose Aldo
|
Bantamweight |
Flyweight
|
I've noted that an edit war has broken out on this page. I need to state two things:
Expressing that in plain English without acronyms, that means that the people that are removing the images are immune to being blocked for edit-warring. People that insert the images can be blocked for edit warring. I'm watching the edits, and will begin issuing blocks if this persists.— Kww( talk) 16:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Not including event posters really takes some of the integrity away from the articles. Portillo ( talk) 03:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Why their names are on the small font?!!!!! Rafael dos Anjos, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Joe Lauzon
I propose we delete this article as it does not conform to wikipedia notability guidelines. As far as I can see this is only a regular year in some sport organization and does not warrant a seperate articale. I suggest we merge the 2011, 2012 and 2013 articles into 2010s in UFC to resolve this problem and make Wikipedia more user-friendly. Thank you. 89.143.73.201 ( talk) 13:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
this style sucks. - each event should have its own page. far more information was provided - this way is horrible because by the end of the year there will be too much to look through. why would someone change this from what it used to be- it doesn't make sense - if anything you should have a site thats called ufc 2013 and provide a list of events and links to their wiki pages. this is just plain stupid - are actual ufc fans in charge of this craziness or nerds that don't know the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.44.45.98 ( talk) 20:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
From the discussion above, there's clearly no consensus to merge the articles by decade instead of by year. I went ahead and removed the merge templates from the article. CaSJer ( talk) 13:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The footnote explaining how Jon Jones broke his toe has no citation and is counter to an explanation given by Fox Sports. Thus, my edit. Also, I'd like to note how awkward this talk page is since we have comments on all the different UFC events in 2013. It would be cleaner to manage information for each event on individual pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevori ( talk • contribs) 07:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
While mindful of WP:POLL, I feel that a rough survey is necessary to show the severely limited effectiveness of this "yearly" page when compared to the previous format, and am not aware of such a poll having been conducted previously. I hope that one of the two formats, or another to be proposed, will establish itself as a clear favorite. If there exists significant disagreement, discussion can hopefully lead to agreeable consensus. Following that consensus, I think a detailed reiteration of policy arguments that have been made previously is long overdue.
IP Address is incorrect regarding de-archiving this thread SPECIFICALLY WP:TPNO says Do not misrepresent other people, Do not use the talk page as a forum. Discussion long passed into staleness and WP:SOAPBOX long ago and any reasonable user would have made that determination. I invite the IP address to check their BIAS at the door and consider what benefit there is in letting this straw poll (which has been definitively asserted Polling is not a substitute for discussion) become a backdoor attempt at overriding the consensus built on Wikipedia Rules/Policy/Guidelines/Best Practices/Manual of Style. If the supporters want to remove this compromise that is built on that consensus, then the next step would be to effectively gut any event that by itself did not meet the notability guidelines as interperted by a neutral party. I really doubt that is the desired goal, but the ball is now in the supporters court. Hasteur ( talk) 13:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty interesting that user Hasteur here is unilaterally closing down discussion as "involved editor" in clear violation of rules, and deleting my comments over and over while keeping his own which I'm pretty sure is against the rules, too. But I'm glad he linked me to Administrators' noticeboard, where I gather these rules are enforced. 75.172.12.104 ( talk) 15:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
UFC 157 should have its own separate wikipedia page, NOT a redirect from "2013 in UFC." UFC 157 was a landmark event as it had the first ever women's fight in UFC history. One of these women is Ronda Rousey, the most dominating female mixed martial artist in the world. Please understand that UFC 157 will always be remembered as the first UFC event with women fighting AND headlining the event. Anyone who works for Wikipedia and is capable of doing this, please change it so UFC 157 has its own separate Wikipedia page and NOT a redirect from the "2013 in UFC" Wikipedia page. Thanks. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 08:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theepicwarrior ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello,
Please allow the "UFC 157" page to be edited. Currently, "UFC 157" is a sub-article of "2013 in UFC." Unfortunately, this is unacceptable since UFC 157 was a landmark event as it headlined the first women's fight ever in the UFC, one of the women being Ronda Rousey. Also, every other numbered UFC event has its own separate Wikipedia page, so there is no excuse why "UFC 157" should not have its own separate article. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
The things that have changed since the deletion discussion is that Ronda Rousey has become the famous female athlete of all time. At the time of UFC 157, Rousey was hardly known to the general public. Now, she is a global phenomenon, being the third most searched person on Google last year. Again, please allow the UFC 157 page to be edited. Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theepicwarrior ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC) Theepicwarrior ( talk) 07:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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