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The article 2013 Bangladesh Anti-Hindu violence should be merged with this one, or at least be linked in some way. utcursch | talk 21:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I have added a neutrality tag in the article since the article is terribly biased. It is not the Police force of Bangladesh, but the Jamaat Shibir who are responsible for the mayhem and riots (Please see CNN report [4]). Hence, the article should be modified and the violence by Jamaat Shibir on the minorities, government offices, police posts, and common people should be included. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 07:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I have changed the title since the current title is misleading and very general. Please raise your concern regarding the title in this section. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 09:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Some more news continue....
--- Jayanta Nath ( Talk| Contrb) 12:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I do not see any comment here by User:Rossi101 regarding changing the title, yet he/she is persistently changing the title and reverting the contents to a previous biased version. Please discuss here and raise valid points about the title and the contents before blindly reverting the article. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 09:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I am redirecting the article to it's primary title 2013 Bangladesh riot till the discussion finished. -- Rossi101 ( talk) 09:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)Rossi101
Rossi101 trying to present the whole circumstances as Police Riot, which is totally false. Police does not start any riot. I am requesting him/her not to bias this article by providing false information.-- Freemesm ( talk) 21:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
The local media houses publishing news have been highly monitored by the government. So, please provide reference links of unbiased news from international media sources. -- Rossi101 ( talk) 08:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)Rossi101
There is nothing to merge. 2013 Bangladesh Anti-Hindu violence is part of articles on Persecution of Hindus (the category already has 51 articles). 2013 Bangladesh riots is about Political riots. And, 2013 Shahbag protests way too specific to be even considered.
For the title change proposal, we must consider the facts that not all of the riots, while interlinked and overlapping on top of being part of the general context, are about ICT or verdict of even a person. One party is instigating riots against government treatment of rioters, another against the verdict, while people from the masses are taking to arms because of rumors (Sayeedi's face on the moon) or religious intolerance (like violence against Hindu families). But, they still are part of the general time-frame and context and are interlinked and overlapping set of events, thus they need one article to capture the subject.
If needed, separate articles on separate parts of the whole is always possible. And, each of the three individual articles mentioned can be Wikilinked to each other for better access to related information. Let's remember, related information is not limited to these three articles alone. For example, persecution of Hindus and riots instigated by Islamic extremists are have other articles to be linked with this article and others.
All the change I see as needed is changing the title from "riot" to "riots". Aditya( talk • contribs) 09:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I think they can be merged in that they were both in reaction to the trials and sentences of Delwar Hossain Sayeedi and Abdul Quader Molla and they occured at the same time. Furthermore, I would say the same about the 2013 Shahbag protests as they were also reaction to the sentences and they also occured at the same time. These are interconnected incidents that have the same roots and they sould all be merged. Charles Essie ( talk) 20:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
1) The Shahbag (pro-government) protest and counter protests are part of the same political turmoil in Bangladesh and cannot be separated superficially just to satisfy one side or the other
2) The protest and counter protests hinge around the same issues and context and any separation of them will be difficult and superficial
3) International entities and media such as UN, Human Rights Watch, Al Jazeera, The Economist, BBC, CNN are reporting on both the pro-government and counter-government protests as a part of the same political turmoil
4) The issue was already settled in the TALK page of the existing article and it was decided that the original article would be renamed to "2013 Bangladesh Protests". The motive of creating this page is to belittle the counter government protests as part of the bigger scene while the pro-government protest centered at Shahbag to be worthy of having an independent article. (For evidence see how the creator of this page uses the word "riot" to describe the bigger issue of which the opposition protest would be the significant part).
5) The pro-government (pro-Shahbag) editors are opening one article after another to achieve the aforementioned purpose. See also 2013 Bangladesh protests ( Shamelessshahbag ( talk) 11:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC))
The neutrality of this article is seriously contested. See the talk page of the existing article. As I have said the article is asserting points w/o references or at best using domestic pro-government/pro-Shahbag yellow journalism as references to create a pro-government slant in the article, while major international reports and neutral local news are missing from references. I will demonstrate this point by point: 1) The protests center on a 9 month long genocide in 1971 which includes atrocities committed by both warring sides but major casualties having been from the Bangladeshi side. The present article claims the total number to be 3 million, but internationally the accepted figure that is officially used (established at a conference of the US Department of State) is +/- 3 lakhs (References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#cite_note-USSD2005-06-31 & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#cite_note-dawn-32) 2) The article gives the impression that all war criminals are being tried where only a few top leaders of opposition parties have been actually accused (All Reports, Local/International, example http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/03/2013347575585654.html), and this needs to be made clear in order to convey why opposition is protesting against Shahbag. 3) A legal issues section discussing the legal issues about which the parties are fighting is crucial for this article: Shahbag is demanding outright conviction and capital punishment from a trial (can protesters demand conviction or a particular sentence from a court?) that has already been declared unfair by international media and organizations due to inequality between the number of witnesses that the prosecution and defense can present (unlimited for prosecution, max. 6 for defence), prosecution's use of hearsay evidence, leaked Skype conference revealing government manipulation of the trial process, the abduction of defense witnesses by law enforcers, and conviction without proof of direct participation (i.e. personally undertaking or ordering the acts of murder or rape. One was rather found guilty of “complicity” in or “abetting” an offence, “accompany[ing] the gang to the crime site having rifle in hand” or facilitating mass murder and rape by being “present” at the scene) (References: Wall Street Journal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-Wright-65 The Economist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-The_Economist-63 Human Rights Watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-HRW_Retrial-66 David Bergman http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/in-bangladesh-the-flawed-path-to-accountability/article4466192.ece Human Rights Watch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-Adams-9) 4) The article does not mention of "Mass killings" suffered by the opposition to pro-government Shahbag protest due to indiscriminate firing by police (AL Jazeera, Human Rights Watch), where opposition protests should have been countered in ways that are internationally acceptable (Human Rights Watch) (References: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/01/bangladesh-end-violence-over-war-crimes-trials & http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/03/2013334365986195.html) 5) The above list of references is not exhaustive. So what we get is that pro-government/pro-Shahbag editors are twisting facts either w/o references or at times using some domestic or non-reputable Indian yellow journalism as references and reverting edits with significant international references to world's major media reports that would be considered acceptable by all. I urgently draw the attention of Wikipedia admins to consider this major and ongoing vandalism regarding a very sensitive current issue. Empty comments such as we want peace and that the opposition is criminal, or photographs of government activists from around the world should not be used to establish an important article in Wikipedia. ( Shamelessshahbag ( talk) 11:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC))
I have added some new sections in the article for better arrangements. Thanks. ..... Onimesh ( talk) 17:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2013 Bangladesh violence's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Islamists":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 3 March 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was Snow Keep. |
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The article 2013 Bangladesh Anti-Hindu violence should be merged with this one, or at least be linked in some way. utcursch | talk 21:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I have added a neutrality tag in the article since the article is terribly biased. It is not the Police force of Bangladesh, but the Jamaat Shibir who are responsible for the mayhem and riots (Please see CNN report [4]). Hence, the article should be modified and the violence by Jamaat Shibir on the minorities, government offices, police posts, and common people should be included. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 07:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I have changed the title since the current title is misleading and very general. Please raise your concern regarding the title in this section. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 09:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Some more news continue....
--- Jayanta Nath ( Talk| Contrb) 12:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I do not see any comment here by User:Rossi101 regarding changing the title, yet he/she is persistently changing the title and reverting the contents to a previous biased version. Please discuss here and raise valid points about the title and the contents before blindly reverting the article. Pratanu.roy ( talk) 09:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I am redirecting the article to it's primary title 2013 Bangladesh riot till the discussion finished. -- Rossi101 ( talk) 09:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)Rossi101
Rossi101 trying to present the whole circumstances as Police Riot, which is totally false. Police does not start any riot. I am requesting him/her not to bias this article by providing false information.-- Freemesm ( talk) 21:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
The local media houses publishing news have been highly monitored by the government. So, please provide reference links of unbiased news from international media sources. -- Rossi101 ( talk) 08:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)Rossi101
There is nothing to merge. 2013 Bangladesh Anti-Hindu violence is part of articles on Persecution of Hindus (the category already has 51 articles). 2013 Bangladesh riots is about Political riots. And, 2013 Shahbag protests way too specific to be even considered.
For the title change proposal, we must consider the facts that not all of the riots, while interlinked and overlapping on top of being part of the general context, are about ICT or verdict of even a person. One party is instigating riots against government treatment of rioters, another against the verdict, while people from the masses are taking to arms because of rumors (Sayeedi's face on the moon) or religious intolerance (like violence against Hindu families). But, they still are part of the general time-frame and context and are interlinked and overlapping set of events, thus they need one article to capture the subject.
If needed, separate articles on separate parts of the whole is always possible. And, each of the three individual articles mentioned can be Wikilinked to each other for better access to related information. Let's remember, related information is not limited to these three articles alone. For example, persecution of Hindus and riots instigated by Islamic extremists are have other articles to be linked with this article and others.
All the change I see as needed is changing the title from "riot" to "riots". Aditya( talk • contribs) 09:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I think they can be merged in that they were both in reaction to the trials and sentences of Delwar Hossain Sayeedi and Abdul Quader Molla and they occured at the same time. Furthermore, I would say the same about the 2013 Shahbag protests as they were also reaction to the sentences and they also occured at the same time. These are interconnected incidents that have the same roots and they sould all be merged. Charles Essie ( talk) 20:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
1) The Shahbag (pro-government) protest and counter protests are part of the same political turmoil in Bangladesh and cannot be separated superficially just to satisfy one side or the other
2) The protest and counter protests hinge around the same issues and context and any separation of them will be difficult and superficial
3) International entities and media such as UN, Human Rights Watch, Al Jazeera, The Economist, BBC, CNN are reporting on both the pro-government and counter-government protests as a part of the same political turmoil
4) The issue was already settled in the TALK page of the existing article and it was decided that the original article would be renamed to "2013 Bangladesh Protests". The motive of creating this page is to belittle the counter government protests as part of the bigger scene while the pro-government protest centered at Shahbag to be worthy of having an independent article. (For evidence see how the creator of this page uses the word "riot" to describe the bigger issue of which the opposition protest would be the significant part).
5) The pro-government (pro-Shahbag) editors are opening one article after another to achieve the aforementioned purpose. See also 2013 Bangladesh protests ( Shamelessshahbag ( talk) 11:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC))
The neutrality of this article is seriously contested. See the talk page of the existing article. As I have said the article is asserting points w/o references or at best using domestic pro-government/pro-Shahbag yellow journalism as references to create a pro-government slant in the article, while major international reports and neutral local news are missing from references. I will demonstrate this point by point: 1) The protests center on a 9 month long genocide in 1971 which includes atrocities committed by both warring sides but major casualties having been from the Bangladeshi side. The present article claims the total number to be 3 million, but internationally the accepted figure that is officially used (established at a conference of the US Department of State) is +/- 3 lakhs (References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#cite_note-USSD2005-06-31 & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#cite_note-dawn-32) 2) The article gives the impression that all war criminals are being tried where only a few top leaders of opposition parties have been actually accused (All Reports, Local/International, example http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/03/2013347575585654.html), and this needs to be made clear in order to convey why opposition is protesting against Shahbag. 3) A legal issues section discussing the legal issues about which the parties are fighting is crucial for this article: Shahbag is demanding outright conviction and capital punishment from a trial (can protesters demand conviction or a particular sentence from a court?) that has already been declared unfair by international media and organizations due to inequality between the number of witnesses that the prosecution and defense can present (unlimited for prosecution, max. 6 for defence), prosecution's use of hearsay evidence, leaked Skype conference revealing government manipulation of the trial process, the abduction of defense witnesses by law enforcers, and conviction without proof of direct participation (i.e. personally undertaking or ordering the acts of murder or rape. One was rather found guilty of “complicity” in or “abetting” an offence, “accompany[ing] the gang to the crime site having rifle in hand” or facilitating mass murder and rape by being “present” at the scene) (References: Wall Street Journal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-Wright-65 The Economist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-The_Economist-63 Human Rights Watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-HRW_Retrial-66 David Bergman http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/in-bangladesh-the-flawed-path-to-accountability/article4466192.ece Human Rights Watch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimes_Tribunal_(Bangladesh)#cite_note-Adams-9) 4) The article does not mention of "Mass killings" suffered by the opposition to pro-government Shahbag protest due to indiscriminate firing by police (AL Jazeera, Human Rights Watch), where opposition protests should have been countered in ways that are internationally acceptable (Human Rights Watch) (References: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/01/bangladesh-end-violence-over-war-crimes-trials & http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/03/2013334365986195.html) 5) The above list of references is not exhaustive. So what we get is that pro-government/pro-Shahbag editors are twisting facts either w/o references or at times using some domestic or non-reputable Indian yellow journalism as references and reverting edits with significant international references to world's major media reports that would be considered acceptable by all. I urgently draw the attention of Wikipedia admins to consider this major and ongoing vandalism regarding a very sensitive current issue. Empty comments such as we want peace and that the opposition is criminal, or photographs of government activists from around the world should not be used to establish an important article in Wikipedia. ( Shamelessshahbag ( talk) 11:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC))
I have added some new sections in the article for better arrangements. Thanks. ..... Onimesh ( talk) 17:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2013 Bangladesh violence's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Islamists":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)