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Official title is 'Police and CRIME Commissioners' and they will only be England and Wales (excluding London)
Would police_and_crime_commissioner_elections,_England_and_Wales,_2012 be a better location? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.137.36.228 ( talk) 09:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
It is not clear whether only police staff vote or the whole population. -- 82.67.63.50 ( talk) 10:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
As party nominees are being chosen, the question arises how to display the candidates' names, and eventually voting results. I see no point in creating 40+ pages each containing one election, with most attracting little public interest. So I would suggest simply that an Election box, preferably a Compact Election Box, could be placed on the page and populated with confirmed candidate names. As far as I can see the Conservative Party willl name its candidates during July and that would be a possible time to make this change. The results part of the page would look something like Manchester Council election, 2011. I may even make an Election Box capable of showing the second preference results. Comments? Sussexonian ( talk) 22:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I have over the past couple of days made some changes to the article which I hope make the page look better. I have added a info box to head the article which pictures of the three main party leaders as well as the usual election info. I entirely with the layout for each of the elections in England and Wales as its not necessary for 41 separate pages as I fear there is going to be overall little public intrest. I do have some suggestions which would help to make the page look a lot better
( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 13:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC))
Hey Doktorbuk Thanks for uploading the new map which will come in very handy for the upcoming elections, just one thing about that map why is there no outline for Wales when there is a outline border for England. Also thanks for looking at the England and Wales Flag issue andfor adding links. This is a great improvement!! ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 21:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC))
Adding UKIP to the info-box would make some sense, as UKIP is fielding 23 candidates.( CatCalledJim ( talk) 20:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC))
On this point I was wondering whether there's a danger of over emphasising the parties in this election. Although it makes sense for other elections it's clear that independent candidates are going to do unusually well (although I don't know if any will win) because of the specific nature of the posts being elected. I wonder if there is a way to highlight the independent vote (which will likely outstrip Lib Dem and UKIP's vote nationally. Obviously one problem is that they are all different but I think to write them out of the picture will give an unfairly distorted picture. Not sure what the best way to do that is though... 87.112.83.16 ( talk) 11:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Could we have a section on the political opinion towards on the upcoming PCC elections as only Labour and the Conservatives are fielding candidates in all 41 Police Forces Area as this is a major issue in itself, especially would like to know the political opinion of the smaller parties especially the views from Plaid Cymru has they are not fielding a single candidate in Wales and there is no mention at all of why they are not taking part on the main article so I think a section on this is much needed as there are mixed very mixed political feelings on weither these elections should even be taking place. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 15:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC))
This radio item was extremely interesting showing that previous home secretaries AND the police themselves are in favour of merging police forces. [1] It should be available as a podcast soon but if anyone wants to use the source before I get round to its, please do so. JRPG ( talk) 20:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of the duration of office. Is it four years like the London Mayor? I feel we should mention this somewhere in the article. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 21:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be good before the election to agree on what the criteria should be for a party to be included in the infobox - that would be better than having arguments after the election where people's criteria just happens to allow the inclusion of their preferred party. I suggest a cut-off point of 5% on average across the areas that a party is standing in, as most parties, perhaps because of the size of the deposit needed to stand a candidate, are not standing in every area. One alternative is to have a cut-off point of 5% of all votes cast, but I don't think that would be fair on all the parties apart from Labour and the Conservatives. What do other people think? Kookiethebird ( talk) 05:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Once the elections are over, it would be good to have a table giving the total votes for the whole country for each party and candidate, say for each one that gets at least 5,000 votes. Kookiethebird ( talk) 01:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed information that should not be included such as what they stand for e.g "having never been a member of a political party. His main pledges are Justice for All, and a focus on crime prevention and reduction of re-offending rates by partnering with voluntary organisations and the NHS" as this kind of information is both irrelevant and should not be on the wikipedia article. The same could be said about this "an Eastleigh Borough Councillor with family connections to Hampshire Police", so what if he has family connections to the Hampshire Police, why does that need to be included?
I have also cut down certain people's job titles e.g former Chairman of Devon & Cornwall Police Authority, former Liberal Democrat Chairman of Devon County Council and Resources Chair and Board Member APA and replaced it with former Lib Dem Cllr as that is how they are described in the articles.
I have done the same here: "* Jonathan Arnott is the UKIP candidate. He is 31 years old, born and lives in Sheffield, and is General Secretary of the party" why do people need to know he is from Sheffield and is 31, that is why he has a wiki article so people can find out this information and so I have replaced it with * Jonathan Arnott, General Secretary of the UK Independence Party — is the UKIP candidate
Removed this person: *Ian Kealey was selected as the UKIP candidate, but has withdrawn. [1] as they have since withdrawn. 86.1.26.36 ( talk) 09:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
it would be great if we could have some photos of polling stations taken during tomorrows elections and added onto the page and also might be nice to have some photos of some of the higher profile candidates like Lord Prescott and some others to name. Also a secion on voter tournout and public opinion might also not be a bad idea to add to the page either. It will be intresting to see what in tomorrows elections! ( 94.11.64.207 ( talk) 23:09, 14 November 2012 (UTC))
I've created two quick templates to go with the results boxes: Template:Election box supplementary vote turnout and Template:Election box supplementary vote win. As the election boxes for supplementary voting are two columns bigger, the normal boxes aren't wide enough. For reference, here are the Wiltshire results, which use both templates at the end.
Also, make sure you edit the 'fullwidthvotes' tag to (at least) the total votes for the winning candidate (here 35319), as they're set to 18000 by default.
If you're getting code errors in the result tables, ensure you are not using commas with the Election box supplementary vote template. Use just digits (ie. 16198 rather than 16,198)!
Wiltshire Commissioner election, 2012 ( BBC News) | |||||||||
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Party | Candidate | 1st round | 2nd round | 1st round votesTransfer votes, 2nd round | |||||
Total | Of round | Transfers | Total | Of round | |||||
Conservative | Angus Macpherson | 28,558 | 36.2% | 6,761 | 35,319 |
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Labour | Claire Moody | 16,198 | 20.6% | 4,959 | 21,157 |
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Independent | Colin Skelton | 11,446 | 14.5% |
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Liberal Democrats | Paul Batchelor | 10,130 | 12.9% |
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UKIP | John Short | 7,250 | 9.2% |
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Independent | Liam Silcocks | 5,212 | 6.6% |
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Turnout | 78,794 | 15.8% | |||||||
Conservative win |
~~ Woodgreener ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Can I just point out that the second round should not show the first round votes for the third and lower placed candidates, as they have been eliminated by this stage. The way to do this is to delete the "r2votes=0" from candidates that didn't actually make it into the second round; being eliminated isn't the same as getting through to the second round and then getting 0 transfers. Otherwise it counts some people's votes twice. Sam Blacketer ( talk) 19:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
"Section 57 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011 directs that the voting system would be First past the post if there are only two candidates for a specific Commissioner region." - how could this be anything else? A majority is a majority, especially when there are only two candidates. Second preferences make no sense and would not be counted. So the voting paper shouldn't have any box for a second preference. If it did, would a mark there be a spoil? Presumably the papers for North Yorks, Dyfed-Powys and Shropshire had a conventional layout. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
While updating the Lincolnshire section on this article I decided to input a statistic on the table showing the number of spoiled ballots (1,890) in the election. However the only way I was able to do it currently was to input "Spoiled" as a candidate, which is fine, but makes the table look rather messy, could this be changed?
Given that many more people in this election appear have spoiled their ballot papers (possibly for political reasons) I think this should be part of the general template for each section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.116 ( talk) 21:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
{{
Election box rejected}}
template for use in election boxes, why not use it here, especially as the high ballot spoiling figures are being discussed widely in reliable sources? --
M2Ys4U (
talk) 00:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
A related point on this issue: the figures given for turnout in these tables are not consistent in whether or not they include spoilt ballots. This may be down to how individual Authorities report their results. For example, if you look at Cambridgeshire, the turnout given is higher than the sum of the first round votes for candidates (add them up for yourself!): the 2898 difference is spoilt papers. The percentages given are correct though (proportion of valid votes cast). For the next Authority, Cheshire, the turnout figure IS the total number of first round votes (there were 2415 spoilt ballots in addition to this figure according to numbers from http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/nov/16/pcc-election-results-police-crime-commissioners giving an overall turnout of 111,317 not 108,902 as stated). For the sake of accuracy and consistency, one or other approach should be taken - as others have reported, the numbers of spoilt papers (deliberate or otherwise) were a factor of 10 higher in this election than is normal for UK elections, so it makes quite a big difference Personally, I think it's misleading that Turnout is presented as if it's the sum of the first round votes column when it might not be. PondBob ( talk) 12:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just to pre-empt any article creation, this "party" is nothing more than a branding mechanism to allow an independent (Kevin Hurley) to get a political description onto the ballot paper. It's better to redirect this to any future article on Hurley rather than create a separate page. Timrollpickering ( talk) 21:57, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Devon & Cornwall went to the Conservatives. best, Sunil060902 ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I've created stubs for all remaining PCCs now. They'll need expanding, referencing, etc, but at least they're now all present. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 15:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it worth creating a Police and Crime Commissioner template? There's not a huge number of them so it wouldn't be overly large. Any thoughts. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 18:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
ok, have created a template. Let me know what you think. Cheers Paul MacDermott ( talk) 22:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
The people responsible for announcing the results (and possibly certifying the final results) are called PAROs (Police Area Returning Officers). The names of each Paro were listed by the Electoral Commission here
The details are:
Police force area | Lead local authority | Date and start time of count | PARO (Police Area Returning Officer) |
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Avon & Somerset | Bristol | 16/11 – 12pm | Stephen McNamara |
Bedfordshire | Luton | 16/11 – 10am | Trevor Holden |
Cambridgeshire | East Cambridgeshire | 16/11 – 12pm | John Hill |
Cheshire | Halton | 16/11 – 2pm | David Parr |
Cleveland | Stockton-on-Tees | 16/11 – 11am | David Bond |
Cumbria | South Lakeland | 16/11 – 11am | Debbie Storr |
Derbyshire | Amber Valley | 16/11 – 12pm | Peter Carney |
Devon and Cornwall | Cornwall | 16/11 – 11am | Kevin Lavery |
Dorset | Poole | 16/11 – 9.30am | Paul Morris |
Durham | Durham | 16/11 – 12pm | Colette Longbottom |
Dyfed-Powys | Pembrokeshire | 16/11 – 9am | Bryn Parry-Jones |
Essex | Chelmsford | 16/11 – 10.30am | Steve Packham |
Gloucestershire | Stroud | 16/11 – after verification | David Hagg |
Greater Manchester | Manchester | 16/11 – 12pm | Sir Howard Bernstein |
Gwent | Newport | 16/11 – 9am | Tracey Lee |
Hampshire | Southampton | 16/11 – after verification | Mark Heath |
Hertfordshire | Broxbourne | 16/11 – 11am | Mike Walker |
Humberside | East Riding of Yorkshire | 16/11 – 11.30am | Nigel Pearson |
Kent | Dover | 16/11 – after verification | Nadeem Aziz |
Lancashire | Blackburn with Darwen | 16/11 – after verification | Graham Burgess |
Leicestershire | North West Leicestershire | 16/11 – 12.30pm | Christine Fisher |
Lincolnshire | Lincoln | 16/11 – 2pm | Andrew Taylor |
Merseyside | Liverpool | 16/11 – after verification | Ged Fitzgerald |
Norfolk | Norwich | 16/11 – 2pm | Phillip Hyde |
North Wales | Flintshire | 16/11 – 9am | Colin Everett |
North Yorkshire | York | 16/11 – TBC | Kersten England |
Northamptonshire | Kettering | 16/11 – TBC | David Cook |
Northumbria | Sunderland | 16/11 – 11.30am | Dave Smith |
Nottinghamshire | Rushcliffe | 16/11 – TBC | Allen Graham |
South Wales | Neath Port Talbot | 16/11 – 9am | Steven Phillips |
South Yorkshire | Barnsley | 16/11 – 1pm | Andrew Frosdick |
Staffordshire | Stoke on Trent | 16/11 – 2pm | Paul Hackney |
Suffolk | Suffolk Coastal | 16/11 – after verification | Stephen Baker |
Surrey | Guildford | 16/11 – after verification | Richard Lingard |
Sussex | Brighton and Hove | 16/11 – after verification | Lee Harris |
Thames Valley | Aylesbury Vale | 16/11 – after verification | Andrew Grant |
Warwickshire | Stratford on Avon | 16/11 – 11am | Paul Lankester |
West Mercia | Shropshire | 16/11 – 10.30am | Claire Porter |
West Midlands | Birmingham | 16/11 – 9.30am | Stephen Hughes |
West Yorkshire | Wakefield | 16/11 – 11am | Joanne Roney |
Wiltshire | Swindon | 15/11 – overnight | Stephen Taylor |
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 01:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Contrary to what it says on its webpage here the BBC have not yet gotten all its results up yet. But it has got most of them. The results, combined with the PARO list, is here:
Police force area | Lead local authority | Date and start time of count | PARO (Police Area Returning Officer) | BBC results page |
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Avon & Somerset | Bristol | 16/11 – 12pm | Stephen McNamara | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-20353786 |
Bedfordshire | Luton | 16/11 – 10am | Trevor Holden | n/a |
Cambridgeshire | East Cambridgeshire | 16/11 – 12pm | John Hill | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20348310 |
Cheshire | Halton | 16/11 – 2pm | David Parr | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20346070 |
Cleveland | Stockton-on-Tees | 16/11 – 11am | David Bond | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19508112 |
Cumbria | South Lakeland | 16/11 – 11am | Debbie Storr | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19510818 |
Derbyshire | Amber Valley | 16/11 – 12pm | Peter Carney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-19506238 |
Devon and Cornwall | Cornwall | 16/11 – 11am | Kevin Lavery | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19521181 |
Dorset | Poole | 16/11 – 9.30am | Paul Morris | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505764 |
Durham | Durham | 16/11 – 12pm | Colette Longbottom | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19510224 |
Dyfed-Powys | Pembrokeshire | 16/11 – 9am | Bryn Parry-Jones | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19505524 |
Essex | Chelmsford | 16/11 – 10.30am | Steve Packham | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19520696 |
Gloucestershire | Stroud | 16/11 – after verification | David Hagg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19478233 |
Greater Manchester | Manchester | 16/11 – 12pm | Sir Howard Bernstein | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19551775 |
Gwent | Newport | 16/11 – 9am | Tracey Lee | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-19494194 |
Hampshire | Southampton | 16/11 – after verification | Mark Heath | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19504409 |
Hertfordshire | Broxbourne | 16/11 – 11am | Mike Walker | n/a |
Humberside | East Riding of Yorkshire | 16/11 – 11.30am | Nigel Pearson | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-19550192 |
Kent | Dover | 16/11 – after verification | Nadeem Aziz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19546124 |
Lancashire | Blackburn with Darwen | 16/11 – after verification | Graham Burgess | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19510773 |
Leicestershire | North West Leicestershire | 16/11 – 12.30pm | Christine Fisher | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505550 |
Lincolnshire | Lincoln | 16/11 – 2pm | Andrew Taylor | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-19511574 |
Merseyside | Liverpool | 16/11 – after verification | Ged Fitzgerald | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19551556 |
Norfolk | Norwich | 16/11 – 2pm | Phillip Hyde | n/a |
North Wales | Flintshire | 16/11 – 9am | Colin Everett | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19507688 |
North Yorkshire | York | 16/11 – TBC | Kersten England | n/a |
Northamptonshire | Kettering | 16/11 – TBC | David Cook | n/a |
Northumbria | Sunderland | 16/11 – 11.30am | Dave Smith | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19509836 |
Nottinghamshire | Rushcliffe | 16/11 – TBC | Allen Graham | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-19507103 |
South Wales | Neath Port Talbot | 16/11 – 9am | Steven Phillips | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19509951 |
South Yorkshire | Barnsley | 16/11 – 1pm | Andrew Frosdick | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19549542 |
Staffordshire | Stoke on Trent | 16/11 – 2pm | Paul Hackney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19525006 |
Suffolk | Suffolk Coastal | 16/11 – after verification | Stephen Baker | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-19532643 |
Surrey | Guildford | 16/11 – after verification | Richard Lingard | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19546116 |
Sussex | Brighton and Hove | 16/11 – after verification | Lee Harris | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19557207 |
Thames Valley | Aylesbury Vale | 16/11 – after verification | Andrew Grant | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19503420 |
Warwickshire | Stratford on Avon | 16/11 – 11am | Paul Lankester | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505937 |
West Mercia | Shropshire | 16/11 – 10.30am | Claire Porter | n/a |
West Midlands | Birmingham | 16/11 – 9.30am | Stephen Hughes | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19544007 |
West Yorkshire | Wakefield | 16/11 – 11am | Joanne Roney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19548700 |
Wiltshire | Swindon | 15/11 – overnight | Stephen Taylor | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19495666 |
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 02:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The figures in the results tables are those which were reported at the time of initial release. This is fine and dandy. And wrong :-) . The returning officers will release certified results over the coming days and weeks and they will inevitably be slightly different: for example the certified numbers for Cambridgeshire give 91495 as total votes, not the 91501 as originally reported. So there will be cumulative errors as different concepts (no of ballot papers recieved, no of ballot papers counted, no of unspoilt ballot papers counted) get reported
I've started to list the reconciled numbers (e.g. Avon had 234,514 ballots verified and counted and valid, 9,190 spoilt ballots, 243,704 ballots verified and counted, 338 ballot papers not counted, 244,042 ballots verified (initial estimate), 79 ballots removed from South Gloucestershire, 243,963 ballots verified (final estimate)). But that will take time and is difficult as the numbers change (and some of the final estimates are incomplete, e.g. Bedfordshire).
To help, I've listed the BBC and PAROs above: I'll try to add the ITV and certified results over the next week. The reconciled for Avon are below, as is the best I can do for Bedfordshire.
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 03:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The turnout is broken down as follows:
Number | Explanation |
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234,514 [2] | Total ballots verified and counted and valid |
9,190 [2] [3] | Spoilt ballots |
243,704 [2] [3] | Total ballots verified and counted |
338 [2] | Ballot papers not counted |
244,042 [2] [3] | Total ballots verified (initial estimate) |
79 | Revision after South Gloucestershire Council figure changed to 33,512 [4] from 33,591 [2] |
243,963 [4] | Total ballots verified (final estimate) |
The turnout is broken down as follows:
Number | Explanation |
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82,129 [6] | Total ballots verified (initial estimate) |
7,602 | Spoilt ballots (=3 [5] + 874 [5] + 26 [5] + 4488 [5] + 2211 [5]) |
84,170 [5] | Total ballots verified (final estimate) |
Shouldn't these also be included where appropriate? Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Peter Joslin, the former Chief Constable of Warwickshire, and one of Britain's longest-serving police officers (and CCs for that matter) called for a boycot of these elections shortly before they took place. I feel we should mention this somewhere in the article, perhaps under a criticism section. Below I've pasted the entry for this I've just made to Joslin's article:
In November 2012 he attracted criticism from the government after urging voters to boycott the elections for Police and Crime Commissioners, saying that it would allow people with little experience of policing to take charge of law enforcement matters. [1] "Here we are changing it so that people with little experience and few qualifications, and certainly little knowledge of the police, could be put in a position where they can go as far as sacking the chief constable." [2] Damian Green, the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice, branded Joslin's comments as "deeply irresponsible". [2]
WP:CFORK only content is duplication. All sources are about the election, so scope fits original article. Too early.. preempting a new commissioner is WP:CRYSTAL (more than WP:POVFORK). I'm guessing the topic has the green light satisfying WP:POLITICIAN for notability, but WP:SPINOFF applies. We can revisit when there's a office new holder. Widefox; talk 10:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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Official title is 'Police and CRIME Commissioners' and they will only be England and Wales (excluding London)
Would police_and_crime_commissioner_elections,_England_and_Wales,_2012 be a better location? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.137.36.228 ( talk) 09:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
It is not clear whether only police staff vote or the whole population. -- 82.67.63.50 ( talk) 10:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
As party nominees are being chosen, the question arises how to display the candidates' names, and eventually voting results. I see no point in creating 40+ pages each containing one election, with most attracting little public interest. So I would suggest simply that an Election box, preferably a Compact Election Box, could be placed on the page and populated with confirmed candidate names. As far as I can see the Conservative Party willl name its candidates during July and that would be a possible time to make this change. The results part of the page would look something like Manchester Council election, 2011. I may even make an Election Box capable of showing the second preference results. Comments? Sussexonian ( talk) 22:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I have over the past couple of days made some changes to the article which I hope make the page look better. I have added a info box to head the article which pictures of the three main party leaders as well as the usual election info. I entirely with the layout for each of the elections in England and Wales as its not necessary for 41 separate pages as I fear there is going to be overall little public intrest. I do have some suggestions which would help to make the page look a lot better
( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 13:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC))
Hey Doktorbuk Thanks for uploading the new map which will come in very handy for the upcoming elections, just one thing about that map why is there no outline for Wales when there is a outline border for England. Also thanks for looking at the England and Wales Flag issue andfor adding links. This is a great improvement!! ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 21:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC))
Adding UKIP to the info-box would make some sense, as UKIP is fielding 23 candidates.( CatCalledJim ( talk) 20:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC))
On this point I was wondering whether there's a danger of over emphasising the parties in this election. Although it makes sense for other elections it's clear that independent candidates are going to do unusually well (although I don't know if any will win) because of the specific nature of the posts being elected. I wonder if there is a way to highlight the independent vote (which will likely outstrip Lib Dem and UKIP's vote nationally. Obviously one problem is that they are all different but I think to write them out of the picture will give an unfairly distorted picture. Not sure what the best way to do that is though... 87.112.83.16 ( talk) 11:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Could we have a section on the political opinion towards on the upcoming PCC elections as only Labour and the Conservatives are fielding candidates in all 41 Police Forces Area as this is a major issue in itself, especially would like to know the political opinion of the smaller parties especially the views from Plaid Cymru has they are not fielding a single candidate in Wales and there is no mention at all of why they are not taking part on the main article so I think a section on this is much needed as there are mixed very mixed political feelings on weither these elections should even be taking place. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 15:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC))
This radio item was extremely interesting showing that previous home secretaries AND the police themselves are in favour of merging police forces. [1] It should be available as a podcast soon but if anyone wants to use the source before I get round to its, please do so. JRPG ( talk) 20:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of the duration of office. Is it four years like the London Mayor? I feel we should mention this somewhere in the article. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 21:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be good before the election to agree on what the criteria should be for a party to be included in the infobox - that would be better than having arguments after the election where people's criteria just happens to allow the inclusion of their preferred party. I suggest a cut-off point of 5% on average across the areas that a party is standing in, as most parties, perhaps because of the size of the deposit needed to stand a candidate, are not standing in every area. One alternative is to have a cut-off point of 5% of all votes cast, but I don't think that would be fair on all the parties apart from Labour and the Conservatives. What do other people think? Kookiethebird ( talk) 05:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Once the elections are over, it would be good to have a table giving the total votes for the whole country for each party and candidate, say for each one that gets at least 5,000 votes. Kookiethebird ( talk) 01:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed information that should not be included such as what they stand for e.g "having never been a member of a political party. His main pledges are Justice for All, and a focus on crime prevention and reduction of re-offending rates by partnering with voluntary organisations and the NHS" as this kind of information is both irrelevant and should not be on the wikipedia article. The same could be said about this "an Eastleigh Borough Councillor with family connections to Hampshire Police", so what if he has family connections to the Hampshire Police, why does that need to be included?
I have also cut down certain people's job titles e.g former Chairman of Devon & Cornwall Police Authority, former Liberal Democrat Chairman of Devon County Council and Resources Chair and Board Member APA and replaced it with former Lib Dem Cllr as that is how they are described in the articles.
I have done the same here: "* Jonathan Arnott is the UKIP candidate. He is 31 years old, born and lives in Sheffield, and is General Secretary of the party" why do people need to know he is from Sheffield and is 31, that is why he has a wiki article so people can find out this information and so I have replaced it with * Jonathan Arnott, General Secretary of the UK Independence Party — is the UKIP candidate
Removed this person: *Ian Kealey was selected as the UKIP candidate, but has withdrawn. [1] as they have since withdrawn. 86.1.26.36 ( talk) 09:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
it would be great if we could have some photos of polling stations taken during tomorrows elections and added onto the page and also might be nice to have some photos of some of the higher profile candidates like Lord Prescott and some others to name. Also a secion on voter tournout and public opinion might also not be a bad idea to add to the page either. It will be intresting to see what in tomorrows elections! ( 94.11.64.207 ( talk) 23:09, 14 November 2012 (UTC))
I've created two quick templates to go with the results boxes: Template:Election box supplementary vote turnout and Template:Election box supplementary vote win. As the election boxes for supplementary voting are two columns bigger, the normal boxes aren't wide enough. For reference, here are the Wiltshire results, which use both templates at the end.
Also, make sure you edit the 'fullwidthvotes' tag to (at least) the total votes for the winning candidate (here 35319), as they're set to 18000 by default.
If you're getting code errors in the result tables, ensure you are not using commas with the Election box supplementary vote template. Use just digits (ie. 16198 rather than 16,198)!
Wiltshire Commissioner election, 2012 ( BBC News) | |||||||||
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Party | Candidate | 1st round | 2nd round | 1st round votesTransfer votes, 2nd round | |||||
Total | Of round | Transfers | Total | Of round | |||||
Conservative | Angus Macpherson | 28,558 | 36.2% | 6,761 | 35,319 |
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Labour | Claire Moody | 16,198 | 20.6% | 4,959 | 21,157 |
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Independent | Colin Skelton | 11,446 | 14.5% |
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Liberal Democrats | Paul Batchelor | 10,130 | 12.9% |
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UKIP | John Short | 7,250 | 9.2% |
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Independent | Liam Silcocks | 5,212 | 6.6% |
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Turnout | 78,794 | 15.8% | |||||||
Conservative win |
~~ Woodgreener ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Can I just point out that the second round should not show the first round votes for the third and lower placed candidates, as they have been eliminated by this stage. The way to do this is to delete the "r2votes=0" from candidates that didn't actually make it into the second round; being eliminated isn't the same as getting through to the second round and then getting 0 transfers. Otherwise it counts some people's votes twice. Sam Blacketer ( talk) 19:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
"Section 57 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011 directs that the voting system would be First past the post if there are only two candidates for a specific Commissioner region." - how could this be anything else? A majority is a majority, especially when there are only two candidates. Second preferences make no sense and would not be counted. So the voting paper shouldn't have any box for a second preference. If it did, would a mark there be a spoil? Presumably the papers for North Yorks, Dyfed-Powys and Shropshire had a conventional layout. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
While updating the Lincolnshire section on this article I decided to input a statistic on the table showing the number of spoiled ballots (1,890) in the election. However the only way I was able to do it currently was to input "Spoiled" as a candidate, which is fine, but makes the table look rather messy, could this be changed?
Given that many more people in this election appear have spoiled their ballot papers (possibly for political reasons) I think this should be part of the general template for each section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.116 ( talk) 21:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
{{
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template for use in election boxes, why not use it here, especially as the high ballot spoiling figures are being discussed widely in reliable sources? --
M2Ys4U (
talk) 00:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
A related point on this issue: the figures given for turnout in these tables are not consistent in whether or not they include spoilt ballots. This may be down to how individual Authorities report their results. For example, if you look at Cambridgeshire, the turnout given is higher than the sum of the first round votes for candidates (add them up for yourself!): the 2898 difference is spoilt papers. The percentages given are correct though (proportion of valid votes cast). For the next Authority, Cheshire, the turnout figure IS the total number of first round votes (there were 2415 spoilt ballots in addition to this figure according to numbers from http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/nov/16/pcc-election-results-police-crime-commissioners giving an overall turnout of 111,317 not 108,902 as stated). For the sake of accuracy and consistency, one or other approach should be taken - as others have reported, the numbers of spoilt papers (deliberate or otherwise) were a factor of 10 higher in this election than is normal for UK elections, so it makes quite a big difference Personally, I think it's misleading that Turnout is presented as if it's the sum of the first round votes column when it might not be. PondBob ( talk) 12:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just to pre-empt any article creation, this "party" is nothing more than a branding mechanism to allow an independent (Kevin Hurley) to get a political description onto the ballot paper. It's better to redirect this to any future article on Hurley rather than create a separate page. Timrollpickering ( talk) 21:57, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Devon & Cornwall went to the Conservatives. best, Sunil060902 ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I've created stubs for all remaining PCCs now. They'll need expanding, referencing, etc, but at least they're now all present. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 15:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it worth creating a Police and Crime Commissioner template? There's not a huge number of them so it wouldn't be overly large. Any thoughts. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 18:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
ok, have created a template. Let me know what you think. Cheers Paul MacDermott ( talk) 22:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
The people responsible for announcing the results (and possibly certifying the final results) are called PAROs (Police Area Returning Officers). The names of each Paro were listed by the Electoral Commission here
The details are:
Police force area | Lead local authority | Date and start time of count | PARO (Police Area Returning Officer) |
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Avon & Somerset | Bristol | 16/11 – 12pm | Stephen McNamara |
Bedfordshire | Luton | 16/11 – 10am | Trevor Holden |
Cambridgeshire | East Cambridgeshire | 16/11 – 12pm | John Hill |
Cheshire | Halton | 16/11 – 2pm | David Parr |
Cleveland | Stockton-on-Tees | 16/11 – 11am | David Bond |
Cumbria | South Lakeland | 16/11 – 11am | Debbie Storr |
Derbyshire | Amber Valley | 16/11 – 12pm | Peter Carney |
Devon and Cornwall | Cornwall | 16/11 – 11am | Kevin Lavery |
Dorset | Poole | 16/11 – 9.30am | Paul Morris |
Durham | Durham | 16/11 – 12pm | Colette Longbottom |
Dyfed-Powys | Pembrokeshire | 16/11 – 9am | Bryn Parry-Jones |
Essex | Chelmsford | 16/11 – 10.30am | Steve Packham |
Gloucestershire | Stroud | 16/11 – after verification | David Hagg |
Greater Manchester | Manchester | 16/11 – 12pm | Sir Howard Bernstein |
Gwent | Newport | 16/11 – 9am | Tracey Lee |
Hampshire | Southampton | 16/11 – after verification | Mark Heath |
Hertfordshire | Broxbourne | 16/11 – 11am | Mike Walker |
Humberside | East Riding of Yorkshire | 16/11 – 11.30am | Nigel Pearson |
Kent | Dover | 16/11 – after verification | Nadeem Aziz |
Lancashire | Blackburn with Darwen | 16/11 – after verification | Graham Burgess |
Leicestershire | North West Leicestershire | 16/11 – 12.30pm | Christine Fisher |
Lincolnshire | Lincoln | 16/11 – 2pm | Andrew Taylor |
Merseyside | Liverpool | 16/11 – after verification | Ged Fitzgerald |
Norfolk | Norwich | 16/11 – 2pm | Phillip Hyde |
North Wales | Flintshire | 16/11 – 9am | Colin Everett |
North Yorkshire | York | 16/11 – TBC | Kersten England |
Northamptonshire | Kettering | 16/11 – TBC | David Cook |
Northumbria | Sunderland | 16/11 – 11.30am | Dave Smith |
Nottinghamshire | Rushcliffe | 16/11 – TBC | Allen Graham |
South Wales | Neath Port Talbot | 16/11 – 9am | Steven Phillips |
South Yorkshire | Barnsley | 16/11 – 1pm | Andrew Frosdick |
Staffordshire | Stoke on Trent | 16/11 – 2pm | Paul Hackney |
Suffolk | Suffolk Coastal | 16/11 – after verification | Stephen Baker |
Surrey | Guildford | 16/11 – after verification | Richard Lingard |
Sussex | Brighton and Hove | 16/11 – after verification | Lee Harris |
Thames Valley | Aylesbury Vale | 16/11 – after verification | Andrew Grant |
Warwickshire | Stratford on Avon | 16/11 – 11am | Paul Lankester |
West Mercia | Shropshire | 16/11 – 10.30am | Claire Porter |
West Midlands | Birmingham | 16/11 – 9.30am | Stephen Hughes |
West Yorkshire | Wakefield | 16/11 – 11am | Joanne Roney |
Wiltshire | Swindon | 15/11 – overnight | Stephen Taylor |
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 01:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Contrary to what it says on its webpage here the BBC have not yet gotten all its results up yet. But it has got most of them. The results, combined with the PARO list, is here:
Police force area | Lead local authority | Date and start time of count | PARO (Police Area Returning Officer) | BBC results page |
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Avon & Somerset | Bristol | 16/11 – 12pm | Stephen McNamara | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-20353786 |
Bedfordshire | Luton | 16/11 – 10am | Trevor Holden | n/a |
Cambridgeshire | East Cambridgeshire | 16/11 – 12pm | John Hill | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20348310 |
Cheshire | Halton | 16/11 – 2pm | David Parr | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20346070 |
Cleveland | Stockton-on-Tees | 16/11 – 11am | David Bond | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19508112 |
Cumbria | South Lakeland | 16/11 – 11am | Debbie Storr | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19510818 |
Derbyshire | Amber Valley | 16/11 – 12pm | Peter Carney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-19506238 |
Devon and Cornwall | Cornwall | 16/11 – 11am | Kevin Lavery | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19521181 |
Dorset | Poole | 16/11 – 9.30am | Paul Morris | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505764 |
Durham | Durham | 16/11 – 12pm | Colette Longbottom | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19510224 |
Dyfed-Powys | Pembrokeshire | 16/11 – 9am | Bryn Parry-Jones | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19505524 |
Essex | Chelmsford | 16/11 – 10.30am | Steve Packham | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19520696 |
Gloucestershire | Stroud | 16/11 – after verification | David Hagg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19478233 |
Greater Manchester | Manchester | 16/11 – 12pm | Sir Howard Bernstein | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19551775 |
Gwent | Newport | 16/11 – 9am | Tracey Lee | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-19494194 |
Hampshire | Southampton | 16/11 – after verification | Mark Heath | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19504409 |
Hertfordshire | Broxbourne | 16/11 – 11am | Mike Walker | n/a |
Humberside | East Riding of Yorkshire | 16/11 – 11.30am | Nigel Pearson | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-19550192 |
Kent | Dover | 16/11 – after verification | Nadeem Aziz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19546124 |
Lancashire | Blackburn with Darwen | 16/11 – after verification | Graham Burgess | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19510773 |
Leicestershire | North West Leicestershire | 16/11 – 12.30pm | Christine Fisher | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505550 |
Lincolnshire | Lincoln | 16/11 – 2pm | Andrew Taylor | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-19511574 |
Merseyside | Liverpool | 16/11 – after verification | Ged Fitzgerald | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19551556 |
Norfolk | Norwich | 16/11 – 2pm | Phillip Hyde | n/a |
North Wales | Flintshire | 16/11 – 9am | Colin Everett | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19507688 |
North Yorkshire | York | 16/11 – TBC | Kersten England | n/a |
Northamptonshire | Kettering | 16/11 – TBC | David Cook | n/a |
Northumbria | Sunderland | 16/11 – 11.30am | Dave Smith | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19509836 |
Nottinghamshire | Rushcliffe | 16/11 – TBC | Allen Graham | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-19507103 |
South Wales | Neath Port Talbot | 16/11 – 9am | Steven Phillips | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19509951 |
South Yorkshire | Barnsley | 16/11 – 1pm | Andrew Frosdick | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19549542 |
Staffordshire | Stoke on Trent | 16/11 – 2pm | Paul Hackney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19525006 |
Suffolk | Suffolk Coastal | 16/11 – after verification | Stephen Baker | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-19532643 |
Surrey | Guildford | 16/11 – after verification | Richard Lingard | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19546116 |
Sussex | Brighton and Hove | 16/11 – after verification | Lee Harris | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19557207 |
Thames Valley | Aylesbury Vale | 16/11 – after verification | Andrew Grant | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19503420 |
Warwickshire | Stratford on Avon | 16/11 – 11am | Paul Lankester | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19505937 |
West Mercia | Shropshire | 16/11 – 10.30am | Claire Porter | n/a |
West Midlands | Birmingham | 16/11 – 9.30am | Stephen Hughes | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19544007 |
West Yorkshire | Wakefield | 16/11 – 11am | Joanne Roney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19548700 |
Wiltshire | Swindon | 15/11 – overnight | Stephen Taylor | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19495666 |
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 02:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The figures in the results tables are those which were reported at the time of initial release. This is fine and dandy. And wrong :-) . The returning officers will release certified results over the coming days and weeks and they will inevitably be slightly different: for example the certified numbers for Cambridgeshire give 91495 as total votes, not the 91501 as originally reported. So there will be cumulative errors as different concepts (no of ballot papers recieved, no of ballot papers counted, no of unspoilt ballot papers counted) get reported
I've started to list the reconciled numbers (e.g. Avon had 234,514 ballots verified and counted and valid, 9,190 spoilt ballots, 243,704 ballots verified and counted, 338 ballot papers not counted, 244,042 ballots verified (initial estimate), 79 ballots removed from South Gloucestershire, 243,963 ballots verified (final estimate)). But that will take time and is difficult as the numbers change (and some of the final estimates are incomplete, e.g. Bedfordshire).
To help, I've listed the BBC and PAROs above: I'll try to add the ITV and certified results over the next week. The reconciled for Avon are below, as is the best I can do for Bedfordshire.
Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 03:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The turnout is broken down as follows:
Number | Explanation |
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234,514 [2] | Total ballots verified and counted and valid |
9,190 [2] [3] | Spoilt ballots |
243,704 [2] [3] | Total ballots verified and counted |
338 [2] | Ballot papers not counted |
244,042 [2] [3] | Total ballots verified (initial estimate) |
79 | Revision after South Gloucestershire Council figure changed to 33,512 [4] from 33,591 [2] |
243,963 [4] | Total ballots verified (final estimate) |
The turnout is broken down as follows:
Number | Explanation |
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82,129 [6] | Total ballots verified (initial estimate) |
7,602 | Spoilt ballots (=3 [5] + 874 [5] + 26 [5] + 4488 [5] + 2211 [5]) |
84,170 [5] | Total ballots verified (final estimate) |
Shouldn't these also be included where appropriate? Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Peter Joslin, the former Chief Constable of Warwickshire, and one of Britain's longest-serving police officers (and CCs for that matter) called for a boycot of these elections shortly before they took place. I feel we should mention this somewhere in the article, perhaps under a criticism section. Below I've pasted the entry for this I've just made to Joslin's article:
In November 2012 he attracted criticism from the government after urging voters to boycott the elections for Police and Crime Commissioners, saying that it would allow people with little experience of policing to take charge of law enforcement matters. [1] "Here we are changing it so that people with little experience and few qualifications, and certainly little knowledge of the police, could be put in a position where they can go as far as sacking the chief constable." [2] Damian Green, the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice, branded Joslin's comments as "deeply irresponsible". [2]
WP:CFORK only content is duplication. All sources are about the election, so scope fits original article. Too early.. preempting a new commissioner is WP:CRYSTAL (more than WP:POVFORK). I'm guessing the topic has the green light satisfying WP:POLITICIAN for notability, but WP:SPINOFF applies. We can revisit when there's a office new holder. Widefox; talk 10:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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