I fleshed out this section but do not know how to add references:
http://www.miss604.com/2011/06/vancouver-canucks-riots-aftermath-how-to-help.html http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Riot+aftermath+Extra+helping+praise+served+with+pancakes/4970473/story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.241.206 ( talk) 21:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm new so I really don't have enough copyright experience yet to do this, but I think the order of images should be as follows
Thanks. juan less 00:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Futuristic assumption of event. Gave me a good laugh, but obviously won't make the cut yet. Calabe1992 ( talk) 02:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
No longer in the realm of futuristic assumption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthpig ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110615/bc_stanley_cup_riot_110615/20110615/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome Earthpig ( talk) 05:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please add another Cup riot link to the see also section: 1993 Stanley Cup riot.
65.94.47.63 ( talk) 07:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
We need a list article for a list of Stanley Cup riots... 2011 (Vancouver), 2008 (Montreal), 2006 (Edmonton), 1994 (Vancouver), 1993 (Montreal), 1986 (Montreal). 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 08:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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I believe that this should be merged to 2011 Stanley Cup Finals. Sports riots aren't particularly uncommon or noteworthy, and the overwhelming majority of them are detailed in the article about the sporting event itself. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 08:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Some information should be in Georgia Street, since that's the street with the parkade where the car was set on fire and looting at the big Bay store in downtown Vancouver and fence that was thrown from its roof. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 10:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with a previous commenter that 1994 Stanley Cup riot has been around for a while so 2011 Stanley Cup riot should follow the precedence set previously just to be consistent. For the record, I oppose such a merge. – Kempton "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 19:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
As for WP:NOTNEWS, that policy does not say that there cannot be articles on current news events (which is obviously not a correct proposition). It does say that Wikipedia should not contain "first-hand news reports" (i.e. the type of original research permitted on Wikinews). The sources here are articles in the mainstream media, not primary sources. WP:NOTNEWS also warns against "routine news reporting" (i.e. "reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities"). While you may disagree, it strikes me that a riot does not fall under that rubric. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 20:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article on those pepper spray cannisters that VPD used? 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 12:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
What is the penalty in Canada for rioting? I did some research and got answers of both two years and life in prison. What exactly happens to elevate it from two years to life? NorthernThunder ( talk) 19:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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I've never heard any suggestion of a racial element and can't imagine what it would be. Seems totally out to lunch to suggest this. The different demographics of Vancouver were all there, and bits of all participated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.241.206 ( talk) 21:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
This article suggests there was a racial element to some of the assaults that took place during the riot. Any more details? Cla68 ( talk) 02:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Some of this material should also appear in the various Vancouver street and landmark articles, where hotspots occurred. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 06:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, there's obviously a lot of information on the riots out there. I'm hoping more people can bring and consolidate that information onto this article. 24.87.59.164 ( talk) 10:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
There are some great pics we could perhaps use in an article over at http://www.anotherenthusiast.com/2011/06/17/photo-essay-vancouver-sports-riot/ ... they are subject to the Creative Commons license, which I think means we can use them if they are attributed to the owner correctly? Maybe someone that knows about this better can figure this out please Wikidsoup [talk] 16:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I think as more stories are done on it, this aspect of the riot would be very interesting - and perhaps somewhat unique? The person who started the tumblr page with the intent of outing and embarrassing the rioters was already interviewed on CTV, and I expect "CaptainVancouver" and his blog won't be far behind. The impacts of cyber-vigilantism will be interesting to follow in the weeks to come. Reso lute 14:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Why do we point out that coverage was "mostly negative"? Is there an aspect of this riot which could be interpreted as innocent or positive in some way? Or was this meant to imply that international media was placing some harsh judgment on Vancouver as a city, in addition to the rioters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.70 ( talk) 20:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The following about what the media refers to as The Kissing Couple was removed and I think it is significant enough to warrant inclusion, because it has been covered, extensively, in the media:
"===The kissing couple===
Amidst the rioting, a picture was taken of a couple lying on a street while kissing. A search for the identity of the couple has been started. There has also been some speculation of the event being staged. The image was taken by Rich Lam of Getty Images. [1] Later that week, it was announced that the couple was an Australian male, Scott Jones and his Canadian girlfriend, Alex Thomas. [2]"
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Start by inticeing a quarter million young people to come to the city to watch a big screen.
Make sure they know the liquor stores will be closed, and personal searches will happen. That way they will all get real drunk before they show up.
As soon as a few Hoooligans do anything, they shut off all public transportation, bridges and any other exits from the city.
Then shoot teargas into the crowd that has no way to exit the area.
Make sure the firemen don't show up and put out the fires.
My wife and I went into the middle of this to get our daughter, and talked to many of the people trapped there by the authorities.
99.9% of the people were young citizens of that country.
This entire situation was the fault of the city.
24.249.35.196 ( talk) 00:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Since I don't see one and the rationale for the move is completely bogus, I am nominating a return to the original title. The riot was not during the entire Stanley Cup run, it was after the final game, and contrary to popular opinion, it was not caused by the result of the game. The game, and more importantly the crowds that gathered to watch them, was used as cover for the core of rioters to launch their actions. The activities during the previous Stanley Cup run does not have "Stanley Cup" in the title. The Montreal and Edmonton riots don't have the word in it. It makes no sense to start now. I nominate moving it back. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
That being said, Walter, you're editorializing. The conspiracy theorists are going great guns over this "organized core of rioters" nonsense, which suits our civilized amour propre a great deal better than the unwelcome premise that barbarism isn't nearly as far from the surface as people might wish. Nonetheless, no evidence has been proffered that there was any such organization, tacit or otherwise, nor that the outcome of the series had nothing to do with the riot. ῲ Ravenswing ῴ 11:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2011_riots - nearly every riot is listed by location. Three years from now, most people not from BC will still remember the location, but probably forget the occasion.-- JimWae ( talk) 01:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Is anybody in Vancouver able to get down and take a picture of the plywood "apology board"? It would be nice to add something like this to the article. Reso lute 15:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I think we should consider adding a section talking about the "citizens wall." It has become a major historical symbol arising from this event; it will come down Monday but the city has apparently requested them, likely to display them somewhere. 24.86.195.132 ( talk) 09:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
How do I cite live television coverage? And btw - has anyone tracked down a cite noting that the rioters focused almost entirely on property damage, avoiding deliberately harming other people, even to the point of rioters assisting a homeless man who had been tripped by another rioter? (eg. The riot swirled right past the (crowded) theatre without touching it, while shattering other (unpopulated) glass facades in the area. Even people wearing Boston Bruins shirts were unharmed.) It is a very atypical pattern for any kind of riot -- noteworthy if we can find a cite. - Tenebris 20:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.251 ( talk)
Some people tried to persuade others to not damage property, sometimes resorting to their fists when words failed. Many of those defending property were pushed away or attacked by others intent on further damage. Meanwhile, onlookers would gather to see what would happen next, intent on capturing it all on their cameras. There were nearly as many cameras as people at the event.-- JimWae ( talk) 05:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
There are several statements being made now casting doubt on the role of anarchists in the riot. The jerrycan of gasoline that was thrown into the first car fire came from the back of the green pick-up truck that later became the 2nd vehicle to be torched. Evidence for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpnHNN6Y5U&feature=player_detailpage, which shows the jerrycan in the truck and then is gone. There is a video from another angle (close to the post office) showing a guy tossing the can, the fireball, his being subdued by a cop, a girl interceding and talking to the cop (possibly telling the cop the guy was mentally-challenged? I am serious.), and the 2 of them leaving quickly.
What evidence is there that anyone carried any kind of accelerant (even a spray-can)? Such would indicate planning - but not necessarily involvement of anarchists. Indeed, some people did pull T-shirts up to cover their faces, but anyone who watches the news could have thought of that. Today's Vancouver Sun contained a persuasive argument: no political motive has been pronounced by any group - unlike the anarchists who marched and broke Bay windows just before the 2010 Olympics. -- JimWae ( talk) 01:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Is that coverage available still? There were numerous unsuccessful attempts to light the green pick-up truck and the police cars. The "instigators" (at least in these cases & also in the case of the first car) were not people with accelerants and who do not appear to be members of any group of anarchists. The green pickup was apparently leaking fuel and was lit with a flash (by the same person who can be seen lighting the first car). I have not seen any video of the 1st fire - the flags & jerseys - being started. It seems the crowd, realizing they were not going to be prevented from starting small fires, went to bigger & bigger ones. The balaclavas (and improvised ones) do not seem to have appeared much until the looting started -- and anybody intent on looting can buy (or steal) a ski-mask-- JimWae ( talk) 07:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Were the youngsters videotaped repeatedly smashing the solar car with their skateboards arrested? How about the skinny guy wearing the driving hat who was pushing the shopping cart around filled with lighter fluid and rags who was later knocked-out by a bystander because he refused to stop trying to start an overturned car on fire? How about the guy who knocked him out? Cla68 ( talk) 10:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't believe the line "Sports are the most common cause of riots in the United States, accompanying more than half of all championship games or series; almost all occur in the winning team's city, however, so experts believed that any riot would occur in Boston, not Vancouver." is beneficial or adds anything to the article of encyclopedic value. Here is why:
1. First line states common in United States, okay the riot was in Canada so this doesn't apply, what's the common cause for riots in Canada?
2. "experts believed that any riot would occur in Boston, not Vancouver." Something not happening is not notable, because Boston didn't riot isn't notable, but that's what the statement seems to be implying. Not to mention the way it's written makes it sound like they knew in advance the outcome and were expecting riots in Boston.
3. "almost all occur in the winning team's city" so not 100%, what does almost all mean, what exactly is the rarity, almost is not very definitive.
4. Of the more than 50% of riots that occur how many of them are to the heightened degree as this one?
This seems a lot more like newspaper filler than an encyclopedic note about the riot to me and therefore I think that this should be deleted.-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 17:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
After all, one assumption underlay all of Carrothers's and Lewis's work: The winning city was the one that rioted. Of the more than 200 U.S. sports riots Lewis had studied over two decades, only a tiny handful had occurred in the losing city.
Reference to the US is 1. entirely irrelevant, 2. does not seem to be legitimate comparison (and in any event, it's wrong that 50% of all sporting events in the US end in riot), and 3. it would seem given the prior two riots in Vancouver, both well-documented, that any estimate of the cause would start there as there seems to be a propensity for violence in Vancouver that's entirely disconnected from the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.193.8.236 ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, consensus is not clear in the above. The article is about the Vancouver riots, not Boston, or speculation thereof. If you want to write an article on speculation of the causes of the riot, that's fine, bu this is not relevant background material. That said, if you keep it, then list the other two Stanley Cup riots in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.193.8.236 ( talk) 16:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The present point is the paragraph as initially posited seems to paint rioting as a phenomena based on national identify, especially by omitting the two prior riots in Van and Montreal, which it most certainly is not. Looking through the above thread, the riots are talked about in the context of North America, yet the paragraph refers specifically to United States. Looking at riots in general, it would appear in fact that riots are more common following soccer games than any other sport, but this only my conjecture as I don't have the data to support it. That might be a useful starting point for the section on background.
The last update on arrests and criminal charges recommended appear to have been listed in 2011 and 2012. The numbers are much higher now, so would it be appropriate to update with a more recent news article? Sandra Glendinning ( talk) 19:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Should a timeline of events be added to the article, to help clarify with the chronology of events? Joshualouie711 ( talk) 21:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Should the Independent Review Report by John Furlong (sports administrator) and Doug Keefe be added into the article's content? The pdf of the report is in the reference list but not in the article's body. Curious about an aftermath process that had fair amount of public attention/news coverage. Canuckle ( talk) 01:02, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Mentions to Boston removed as it can serve as a trigger for some fans of any of Canada's 7 NHL clubs who do not agree with the promotional and marketing direction that has been in place since Gary Bettman took over as NHL Commissioner in 1993, feeling that Canada's clubs only exist to prop up the clubs in the U.S. and nothing else. However, that was definitely a reason for the riot. So inclusion of Boston in the lede is WP:DUE and removing it results in a lack information, although the motives should be detailed further in the article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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Brindille1, this is a preliminary review of the small issues I have identified. I will soon delve into references etc. but these are some quick fixes that can be done in the meantime. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 03:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
since the 1980sand then mentioned 2006. I see it's because of Montreal (boo Habs!) but I had to re-read to make sense of it. Maybe say: Since the 1980s, Edmonton Oilers and Montreal Canadiens fans have both rioted following Stanley Cup loses. In 2006.....
June 13th, 2011to June 13, 2011.
at which point the police department decides to remove themis in the wrong tense. It should be decided.
On June 20thto June 20.
caught committing on video to turnis missing a word
This report labelled alcohol as a primary cause of the riot, stating simply: "Alcohol fuelled the riot."I don't know if the quote is needed here. It doesn't add anything that wasn't already written and seems redundant.
A tale of two riots Comparing the 1994 and 2011 Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver CBC June 16, 2011but when you click on the article, it is titled
A tale of two riots.
Vancouver police arrest more than 100 in riot Damage to shops and streets to cost millionsbut when you click on the article, it is titled
Vancouver police arrest more than 100 in riot.
More than 1M riot photos sent to police - British Columbia - CBC Newsbut when you click on the article, it is titled
1 million riot photos sent to police.
'Anarchists' not the only rioters: Vancouver policebut when you click on the article, it is titled
'Anarchists' not the only rioters: Vancouver police. The author of the article is Bethany Lindsay.
Social Media and the 2011 Vancouver Riots ArtsWIREbut when you click on the article, it is titled
Social Media and the 2011 Vancouver Riots. The author of the article is Nick Lewis.
I fleshed out this section but do not know how to add references:
http://www.miss604.com/2011/06/vancouver-canucks-riots-aftermath-how-to-help.html http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Riot+aftermath+Extra+helping+praise+served+with+pancakes/4970473/story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.241.206 ( talk) 21:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm new so I really don't have enough copyright experience yet to do this, but I think the order of images should be as follows
Thanks. juan less 00:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Futuristic assumption of event. Gave me a good laugh, but obviously won't make the cut yet. Calabe1992 ( talk) 02:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
No longer in the realm of futuristic assumption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthpig ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110615/bc_stanley_cup_riot_110615/20110615/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome Earthpig ( talk) 05:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please add another Cup riot link to the see also section: 1993 Stanley Cup riot.
65.94.47.63 ( talk) 07:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
We need a list article for a list of Stanley Cup riots... 2011 (Vancouver), 2008 (Montreal), 2006 (Edmonton), 1994 (Vancouver), 1993 (Montreal), 1986 (Montreal). 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 08:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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I believe that this should be merged to 2011 Stanley Cup Finals. Sports riots aren't particularly uncommon or noteworthy, and the overwhelming majority of them are detailed in the article about the sporting event itself. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 08:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Some information should be in Georgia Street, since that's the street with the parkade where the car was set on fire and looting at the big Bay store in downtown Vancouver and fence that was thrown from its roof. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 10:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with a previous commenter that 1994 Stanley Cup riot has been around for a while so 2011 Stanley Cup riot should follow the precedence set previously just to be consistent. For the record, I oppose such a merge. – Kempton "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 19:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
As for WP:NOTNEWS, that policy does not say that there cannot be articles on current news events (which is obviously not a correct proposition). It does say that Wikipedia should not contain "first-hand news reports" (i.e. the type of original research permitted on Wikinews). The sources here are articles in the mainstream media, not primary sources. WP:NOTNEWS also warns against "routine news reporting" (i.e. "reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities"). While you may disagree, it strikes me that a riot does not fall under that rubric. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 20:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Do we have an article on those pepper spray cannisters that VPD used? 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 12:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
What is the penalty in Canada for rioting? I did some research and got answers of both two years and life in prison. What exactly happens to elevate it from two years to life? NorthernThunder ( talk) 19:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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I've never heard any suggestion of a racial element and can't imagine what it would be. Seems totally out to lunch to suggest this. The different demographics of Vancouver were all there, and bits of all participated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.241.206 ( talk) 21:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
This article suggests there was a racial element to some of the assaults that took place during the riot. Any more details? Cla68 ( talk) 02:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Some of this material should also appear in the various Vancouver street and landmark articles, where hotspots occurred. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 06:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys, there's obviously a lot of information on the riots out there. I'm hoping more people can bring and consolidate that information onto this article. 24.87.59.164 ( talk) 10:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
There are some great pics we could perhaps use in an article over at http://www.anotherenthusiast.com/2011/06/17/photo-essay-vancouver-sports-riot/ ... they are subject to the Creative Commons license, which I think means we can use them if they are attributed to the owner correctly? Maybe someone that knows about this better can figure this out please Wikidsoup [talk] 16:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I think as more stories are done on it, this aspect of the riot would be very interesting - and perhaps somewhat unique? The person who started the tumblr page with the intent of outing and embarrassing the rioters was already interviewed on CTV, and I expect "CaptainVancouver" and his blog won't be far behind. The impacts of cyber-vigilantism will be interesting to follow in the weeks to come. Reso lute 14:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Why do we point out that coverage was "mostly negative"? Is there an aspect of this riot which could be interpreted as innocent or positive in some way? Or was this meant to imply that international media was placing some harsh judgment on Vancouver as a city, in addition to the rioters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.70 ( talk) 20:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The following about what the media refers to as The Kissing Couple was removed and I think it is significant enough to warrant inclusion, because it has been covered, extensively, in the media:
"===The kissing couple===
Amidst the rioting, a picture was taken of a couple lying on a street while kissing. A search for the identity of the couple has been started. There has also been some speculation of the event being staged. The image was taken by Rich Lam of Getty Images. [1] Later that week, it was announced that the couple was an Australian male, Scott Jones and his Canadian girlfriend, Alex Thomas. [2]"
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Start by inticeing a quarter million young people to come to the city to watch a big screen.
Make sure they know the liquor stores will be closed, and personal searches will happen. That way they will all get real drunk before they show up.
As soon as a few Hoooligans do anything, they shut off all public transportation, bridges and any other exits from the city.
Then shoot teargas into the crowd that has no way to exit the area.
Make sure the firemen don't show up and put out the fires.
My wife and I went into the middle of this to get our daughter, and talked to many of the people trapped there by the authorities.
99.9% of the people were young citizens of that country.
This entire situation was the fault of the city.
24.249.35.196 ( talk) 00:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Since I don't see one and the rationale for the move is completely bogus, I am nominating a return to the original title. The riot was not during the entire Stanley Cup run, it was after the final game, and contrary to popular opinion, it was not caused by the result of the game. The game, and more importantly the crowds that gathered to watch them, was used as cover for the core of rioters to launch their actions. The activities during the previous Stanley Cup run does not have "Stanley Cup" in the title. The Montreal and Edmonton riots don't have the word in it. It makes no sense to start now. I nominate moving it back. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
That being said, Walter, you're editorializing. The conspiracy theorists are going great guns over this "organized core of rioters" nonsense, which suits our civilized amour propre a great deal better than the unwelcome premise that barbarism isn't nearly as far from the surface as people might wish. Nonetheless, no evidence has been proffered that there was any such organization, tacit or otherwise, nor that the outcome of the series had nothing to do with the riot. ῲ Ravenswing ῴ 11:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2011_riots - nearly every riot is listed by location. Three years from now, most people not from BC will still remember the location, but probably forget the occasion.-- JimWae ( talk) 01:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Is anybody in Vancouver able to get down and take a picture of the plywood "apology board"? It would be nice to add something like this to the article. Reso lute 15:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I think we should consider adding a section talking about the "citizens wall." It has become a major historical symbol arising from this event; it will come down Monday but the city has apparently requested them, likely to display them somewhere. 24.86.195.132 ( talk) 09:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
How do I cite live television coverage? And btw - has anyone tracked down a cite noting that the rioters focused almost entirely on property damage, avoiding deliberately harming other people, even to the point of rioters assisting a homeless man who had been tripped by another rioter? (eg. The riot swirled right past the (crowded) theatre without touching it, while shattering other (unpopulated) glass facades in the area. Even people wearing Boston Bruins shirts were unharmed.) It is a very atypical pattern for any kind of riot -- noteworthy if we can find a cite. - Tenebris 20:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.251 ( talk)
Some people tried to persuade others to not damage property, sometimes resorting to their fists when words failed. Many of those defending property were pushed away or attacked by others intent on further damage. Meanwhile, onlookers would gather to see what would happen next, intent on capturing it all on their cameras. There were nearly as many cameras as people at the event.-- JimWae ( talk) 05:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
There are several statements being made now casting doubt on the role of anarchists in the riot. The jerrycan of gasoline that was thrown into the first car fire came from the back of the green pick-up truck that later became the 2nd vehicle to be torched. Evidence for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpnHNN6Y5U&feature=player_detailpage, which shows the jerrycan in the truck and then is gone. There is a video from another angle (close to the post office) showing a guy tossing the can, the fireball, his being subdued by a cop, a girl interceding and talking to the cop (possibly telling the cop the guy was mentally-challenged? I am serious.), and the 2 of them leaving quickly.
What evidence is there that anyone carried any kind of accelerant (even a spray-can)? Such would indicate planning - but not necessarily involvement of anarchists. Indeed, some people did pull T-shirts up to cover their faces, but anyone who watches the news could have thought of that. Today's Vancouver Sun contained a persuasive argument: no political motive has been pronounced by any group - unlike the anarchists who marched and broke Bay windows just before the 2010 Olympics. -- JimWae ( talk) 01:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Is that coverage available still? There were numerous unsuccessful attempts to light the green pick-up truck and the police cars. The "instigators" (at least in these cases & also in the case of the first car) were not people with accelerants and who do not appear to be members of any group of anarchists. The green pickup was apparently leaking fuel and was lit with a flash (by the same person who can be seen lighting the first car). I have not seen any video of the 1st fire - the flags & jerseys - being started. It seems the crowd, realizing they were not going to be prevented from starting small fires, went to bigger & bigger ones. The balaclavas (and improvised ones) do not seem to have appeared much until the looting started -- and anybody intent on looting can buy (or steal) a ski-mask-- JimWae ( talk) 07:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Were the youngsters videotaped repeatedly smashing the solar car with their skateboards arrested? How about the skinny guy wearing the driving hat who was pushing the shopping cart around filled with lighter fluid and rags who was later knocked-out by a bystander because he refused to stop trying to start an overturned car on fire? How about the guy who knocked him out? Cla68 ( talk) 10:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't believe the line "Sports are the most common cause of riots in the United States, accompanying more than half of all championship games or series; almost all occur in the winning team's city, however, so experts believed that any riot would occur in Boston, not Vancouver." is beneficial or adds anything to the article of encyclopedic value. Here is why:
1. First line states common in United States, okay the riot was in Canada so this doesn't apply, what's the common cause for riots in Canada?
2. "experts believed that any riot would occur in Boston, not Vancouver." Something not happening is not notable, because Boston didn't riot isn't notable, but that's what the statement seems to be implying. Not to mention the way it's written makes it sound like they knew in advance the outcome and were expecting riots in Boston.
3. "almost all occur in the winning team's city" so not 100%, what does almost all mean, what exactly is the rarity, almost is not very definitive.
4. Of the more than 50% of riots that occur how many of them are to the heightened degree as this one?
This seems a lot more like newspaper filler than an encyclopedic note about the riot to me and therefore I think that this should be deleted.-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 17:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
After all, one assumption underlay all of Carrothers's and Lewis's work: The winning city was the one that rioted. Of the more than 200 U.S. sports riots Lewis had studied over two decades, only a tiny handful had occurred in the losing city.
Reference to the US is 1. entirely irrelevant, 2. does not seem to be legitimate comparison (and in any event, it's wrong that 50% of all sporting events in the US end in riot), and 3. it would seem given the prior two riots in Vancouver, both well-documented, that any estimate of the cause would start there as there seems to be a propensity for violence in Vancouver that's entirely disconnected from the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.193.8.236 ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, consensus is not clear in the above. The article is about the Vancouver riots, not Boston, or speculation thereof. If you want to write an article on speculation of the causes of the riot, that's fine, bu this is not relevant background material. That said, if you keep it, then list the other two Stanley Cup riots in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.193.8.236 ( talk) 16:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The present point is the paragraph as initially posited seems to paint rioting as a phenomena based on national identify, especially by omitting the two prior riots in Van and Montreal, which it most certainly is not. Looking through the above thread, the riots are talked about in the context of North America, yet the paragraph refers specifically to United States. Looking at riots in general, it would appear in fact that riots are more common following soccer games than any other sport, but this only my conjecture as I don't have the data to support it. That might be a useful starting point for the section on background.
The last update on arrests and criminal charges recommended appear to have been listed in 2011 and 2012. The numbers are much higher now, so would it be appropriate to update with a more recent news article? Sandra Glendinning ( talk) 19:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Should a timeline of events be added to the article, to help clarify with the chronology of events? Joshualouie711 ( talk) 21:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Should the Independent Review Report by John Furlong (sports administrator) and Doug Keefe be added into the article's content? The pdf of the report is in the reference list but not in the article's body. Curious about an aftermath process that had fair amount of public attention/news coverage. Canuckle ( talk) 01:02, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Mentions to Boston removed as it can serve as a trigger for some fans of any of Canada's 7 NHL clubs who do not agree with the promotional and marketing direction that has been in place since Gary Bettman took over as NHL Commissioner in 1993, feeling that Canada's clubs only exist to prop up the clubs in the U.S. and nothing else. However, that was definitely a reason for the riot. So inclusion of Boston in the lede is WP:DUE and removing it results in a lack information, although the motives should be detailed further in the article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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Brindille1, this is a preliminary review of the small issues I have identified. I will soon delve into references etc. but these are some quick fixes that can be done in the meantime. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 03:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
since the 1980sand then mentioned 2006. I see it's because of Montreal (boo Habs!) but I had to re-read to make sense of it. Maybe say: Since the 1980s, Edmonton Oilers and Montreal Canadiens fans have both rioted following Stanley Cup loses. In 2006.....
June 13th, 2011to June 13, 2011.
at which point the police department decides to remove themis in the wrong tense. It should be decided.
On June 20thto June 20.
caught committing on video to turnis missing a word
This report labelled alcohol as a primary cause of the riot, stating simply: "Alcohol fuelled the riot."I don't know if the quote is needed here. It doesn't add anything that wasn't already written and seems redundant.
A tale of two riots Comparing the 1994 and 2011 Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver CBC June 16, 2011but when you click on the article, it is titled
A tale of two riots.
Vancouver police arrest more than 100 in riot Damage to shops and streets to cost millionsbut when you click on the article, it is titled
Vancouver police arrest more than 100 in riot.
More than 1M riot photos sent to police - British Columbia - CBC Newsbut when you click on the article, it is titled
1 million riot photos sent to police.
'Anarchists' not the only rioters: Vancouver policebut when you click on the article, it is titled
'Anarchists' not the only rioters: Vancouver police. The author of the article is Bethany Lindsay.
Social Media and the 2011 Vancouver Riots ArtsWIREbut when you click on the article, it is titled
Social Media and the 2011 Vancouver Riots. The author of the article is Nick Lewis.