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I thought the maximum sentence was 10 years, as reported by many reporters on CNN and Fox. How oculd these reporters get a 12 year sentence?-- Edp318 ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Their own articles have only existed since this became news and could fail WP:N based on WP:BLP1E. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd suggest moving this article to Euna Lee and Laura Ling and dropped into Category:Multiple people. But first the two individual articles should be merged into this one. Tyuia ( talk) 00:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe Lee and Ling affair? Neutrality talk 01:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Merge the Laura Ling article with this and re-title it as a dual biography (e.g. Laura Ling and Euna Lee or vive-versa) since the two are linked by this diplomatic row. And cease referring to their imprisonment without stating the political nature of their trial and sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.9.247 ( talk) 09:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I am against merging the biographies into the main article. The article is about the EVENT and there should be articles about the persons as well. They may become notable themselves. In any case additional biographical information is required. Olegwiki ( talk) 14:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I added a bit to the arrest section, about the doubts they were in North Korean when arrested. They had no reason to cross the river to get the footage they needed. North Korean border guards have been video taped crossing over previously without problems, and some are involved in the trafficking the reporters were investigating. And when warned to stop, why didn't they? If they were in North Korea, they would've, but since they were in China, they felt safe. Their Chinese translator was not arrested, he still in China. If they were in North Korea at the time, they would've arrested him as well for illegal entry. Dream Focus 03:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
These two people's lives are at stake. Don't make the North Koreans or the Dear Leader mad by writing nasty stuff. User F203 ( talk) 21:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Or did they sneak over the border and were reporting in a slanted fashion? What if some reporter entered your property and was filming your pets and dry rot under your house?
We do not know if Hillary Clinton is just admitting something to get them out or if she knows that they did cross the border.
One thing that they have not been charged with is espionage. User F203 ( talk) 16:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have idea what the typical sentence is for this kind of thing? These two are not the first, just the most recent, to be accused of wandering across the border. I'm curious to see if their sentences match the norm or a trend. Bogomir Kovacs ( talk) 12:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The map is somewhat helpful, but do we know the precise location where they crossed the border?
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I think we are still dealing with the 'official truth' here. And that doesn't neccessarily means that it is the truth. Both women might just as well be US spies. Am I really the only one asking this question?--
Sonyes (
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18:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
More published background. Editors may find bits of background here which they can pull for the article, but be wary of putting sweeping conclusions into the narrative voice along with WP:BLP. Gwen Gale ( talk) 12:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd really prefer to see a better source than the Mail on Sunday, which blends news and comment. While Lang's Chinese ancestry, is, I suppose, not contentions, perhaps a better source should be found for that and for anything more conroversial.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 04:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
According to the article that Ling and Lee wrote for LA Times, they were actually crossing the river when North Korean soldiers started pursuing them:
I'm not sure if the current wording is clear on this, as it may be an important distinction to make on whether or not North Korean soldiers started pursuing them only after they were back on Chinese soil, or if the soldiers started to pursue them while they were crossing the river, and continued to pursue them after they've stepped back on Chinese soil. (Or so claimed Ling and Lee.) Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 17:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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I thought the maximum sentence was 10 years, as reported by many reporters on CNN and Fox. How oculd these reporters get a 12 year sentence?-- Edp318 ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Their own articles have only existed since this became news and could fail WP:N based on WP:BLP1E. Lugnuts ( talk) 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd suggest moving this article to Euna Lee and Laura Ling and dropped into Category:Multiple people. But first the two individual articles should be merged into this one. Tyuia ( talk) 00:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe Lee and Ling affair? Neutrality talk 01:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Merge the Laura Ling article with this and re-title it as a dual biography (e.g. Laura Ling and Euna Lee or vive-versa) since the two are linked by this diplomatic row. And cease referring to their imprisonment without stating the political nature of their trial and sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.9.247 ( talk) 09:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I am against merging the biographies into the main article. The article is about the EVENT and there should be articles about the persons as well. They may become notable themselves. In any case additional biographical information is required. Olegwiki ( talk) 14:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I added a bit to the arrest section, about the doubts they were in North Korean when arrested. They had no reason to cross the river to get the footage they needed. North Korean border guards have been video taped crossing over previously without problems, and some are involved in the trafficking the reporters were investigating. And when warned to stop, why didn't they? If they were in North Korea, they would've, but since they were in China, they felt safe. Their Chinese translator was not arrested, he still in China. If they were in North Korea at the time, they would've arrested him as well for illegal entry. Dream Focus 03:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
These two people's lives are at stake. Don't make the North Koreans or the Dear Leader mad by writing nasty stuff. User F203 ( talk) 21:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Or did they sneak over the border and were reporting in a slanted fashion? What if some reporter entered your property and was filming your pets and dry rot under your house?
We do not know if Hillary Clinton is just admitting something to get them out or if she knows that they did cross the border.
One thing that they have not been charged with is espionage. User F203 ( talk) 16:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have idea what the typical sentence is for this kind of thing? These two are not the first, just the most recent, to be accused of wandering across the border. I'm curious to see if their sentences match the norm or a trend. Bogomir Kovacs ( talk) 12:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The map is somewhat helpful, but do we know the precise location where they crossed the border?
Bogomir Kovacs (
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12:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I think we are still dealing with the 'official truth' here. And that doesn't neccessarily means that it is the truth. Both women might just as well be US spies. Am I really the only one asking this question?--
Sonyes (
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18:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
More published background. Editors may find bits of background here which they can pull for the article, but be wary of putting sweeping conclusions into the narrative voice along with WP:BLP. Gwen Gale ( talk) 12:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd really prefer to see a better source than the Mail on Sunday, which blends news and comment. While Lang's Chinese ancestry, is, I suppose, not contentions, perhaps a better source should be found for that and for anything more conroversial.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 04:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
According to the article that Ling and Lee wrote for LA Times, they were actually crossing the river when North Korean soldiers started pursuing them:
I'm not sure if the current wording is clear on this, as it may be an important distinction to make on whether or not North Korean soldiers started pursuing them only after they were back on Chinese soil, or if the soldiers started to pursue them while they were crossing the river, and continued to pursue them after they've stepped back on Chinese soil. (Or so claimed Ling and Lee.) Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 17:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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