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Do we need to include the salary statistics? I know we all love small-market competitors, but how does it relate to the Series? If people want to know where the teams rank there are multiple sites out there that has the info. Maybe it's just the wording or something, but it seems kind of awkward. Any thoughts? Black ngold29 03:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
As recommended by Gladys j cortez, I'm outlining the policies in MOS that require the section headers to stay as they were when the game began, since no other users have come to the talk page yet.
Because of these reasons, the section headers should stay as is. Now there shouldn't be any more fighting about it, and hopefully I'm not going to be blocked for violating 3RR. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 10:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Another re-occuring battle is the linking/unlinking of dates, stadiums, and cities especially in the Game summaries section. Per WP:OVERLINK the stadiums and cities should be linked the first time they appear only. Dates should not be linked because they are not presented fully (ie December 25, 1895) per the title of the article all dates are assumed 2008 unless otherwise noted. Black ngold29 19:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Can we throw something in there about Danley failing? I mean, he failed so hard on two calls in baseball's biggest stage. Something must be noted about that. It's not POV, it's the cold hard facts, Jules. YerYeller ( talk) 12:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The link to James Shields under "Game two" is incorrect. It links to James Shields, a politician from the 1800s, not the baseball player. Here is the correct link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shields_(baseball) Will an admin please correct this error?
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Since all games of the Series are assumed to start at 8 PM EST unless delayed by weather, and since the 2008 US Presidential election is a topic that has received wide coverage, the footnote that was removed is not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. I'm replacing it. Discussions can be here. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should somehow include the fact that the teams wore the so-called Elmer Fudd hats (baseball caps with ear flaps) in both games 4 and 5 due to weather conditions. Here are some links to use: link one, and link two. The cold temperatures prompted the teams to wear them, which were originally introduced in Spring Training, for the first time in any regular or postseason game. They're both hilarious but also historic, so I believe it's notable. conman33 ( . . .talk) 04:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
How should the scoreboxes look after the game resumes? Especially now that it's a different day, and play likely won't be resumed for a few days? I've always seen a rain-delayed game with all scores reflected in one scoreboard, but I've never seen a game suspended and resumed on another date. Would it be unorthodox to have a scoreboard for game 5a and 5b? Mjf3719 ( talk) 12:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The post-season is run by the Commissioner's Office. That's how Selig was able to get away with his pre-game decision that the game must go to normal length. He has basically ruled that any Series-deciding game must go the full length. This approach in general runs counter to the way such a game would be handled in the regular season. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The cite is in the MLB.com article used in the article. Cite name is <cite name=delay/> He apparently made this clear to both teams before the game even started. Black ngold29 17:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we can even say the ad is delaying the start anymore. Grsz Review! 17:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Considering MLB won't ever change their game time to work around weather, it is certainly noteworthy that MLB had agreed to change their game time for Obama. Even if, in the end, a game time changed, that MLB agreed to - that is noteworthy enough. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
We can say that they changed it because of Obama because references do exist to back it up. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
According to the Washington Post, "The Fox television network agreed with a request by Major League Baseball to move the start of Game 6 of the series by 15 minutes to accommodate Obama's purchase of the television time." And this news article quotes Fox as saying "Fox will accommodate Senator Obama's desire to communicate with voters in this longform format. We are pleased that Major League Baseball has agreed to delay the first pitch of World Series Game 6 for a few minutes in order for Fox to carry his program on Oct. 29. If requested, the network would be willing to make similar time available to Senator McCain's campaign." Of course, that statement was made before anyone knew about the suspended game. Kingturtle ( talk) 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I bring up other weather problems and tied games in the discussion of Game 5, because it occurs to me that the reader might like to know something about other similar events, without having to look through all the 100-plus World Series articles. There were tied games in 1907, 1912, and 1922. There were significant rain delays between starts in 1911 and 1962. Also because some reports said this was the first Series game that was not played to "completion". It depends on how you define that term. The 3 ties were technically "completed", and their stats counted, but all they did was add an extra game to the post-season, as the results didn't count one iota. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Bugs, here's a great little write-up for you to read. Kingturtle ( talk) 20:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't we get some pix up? Particularly the one of the tarp crew coming on during game 5. -- Levineps ( talk) 23:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I uploaded a few pictures that I took at game 5. The seats were poor, but so far better than nothing http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008_world_series_rain_delay.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hinske_strikeout.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Players_rushing_field.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phillies_board.JPG Edg126 ( talk) 17:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
As of this writing MLB.com is giving the start date and time of Games 6 and 7 as "TBD". That means "To Be Determined", as opposed to "Tampa Bay Dome", which is certain. My assumption is that, given the iffy weather in Philly, unless there is a need for Game 6, they won't make any announcement about it until Game 5 is in the bag. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
There's alot of information under the Game 5 heading - much more than is under the other games. Most of it is due to the suspension. The Nevada gambeling paragraph has nothing to do with the game. Is it worth creating a sub-heading under Game 5 to explain Nevada and the historical first-ness of the suspension? This would allow the game 5 section to pertain only to the actual game, as the other game sections do. Mjf3719 ( talk) 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to edit Game five to say that Victorino drove in Werth and Utley, not Werth and Burrell. Burrell was on first, and only advanced to second on Shane's hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.53.244 ( talk) 00:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
"The team accumulated seven walk-off wins before the All-Star break"
Maybe I haven't watched enough baseball lately, but "walk-off win" is not clear to me.
Also, as far as I could tell they didn't play the National Anthem before the re-start, nor Take me out to the ballgame or God Bless America at the 7th inning stretch. Smallbones ( talk) 04:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone should add a blurb about Penn's curse!
As I've already removed one section, and there will probably be more to come, I thought I'd lay out some guidelines for any inclusion of a controversy section.
Just thought I would put a few things out there. Without any comment on the merit of such claims, I encourage anybody who thinks these opinions should be added to start a discussion here. Thanks, Grsz 11 →Review! 13:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I was in the middle of adding citations but someone deleted all of my work WHILE I was working on it. There have been reliable sources (ESPN) where the unpires admit they got the calls wrong. All I am aking is that you let me SHOW this before you delete them... I am not a poster who "does what I want" I am trying but someone keeps changing it before I added the refernce tag.
This is what I want to add
Between Games 4 and 5, the league admitted that in Game 3, Phillies Jamie Moyer threw the ball to Ryan Howard to tag out Rays Carl Crawford at first base, despite umpire Tom Hallion calling Crawford safe in the game. The league also admitted that in Game 4, Evan Longoria tagged Rollins at third base, though umpire Tim Welke had ruled Rollins safe. [2] In Game 2, home plate umpire Kerwin Danley appealed a call to the first base umpire after calling strike three; the first base umpire called ball four to award Rays Rocco Baldelli a walk. Baldelli admitted that the calls did not come up in the locker room, and did not affect the results. [3]
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Obviously it will conform to Wiki standards first
Thoughts... I want to ask for approval from the Wikipedia gods first —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs)
Akc2543: Go for it; it needs to be posted and it needs to conform to Wiki standards. I found relianble sources, I don't do blogs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Here is the other source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/sports/baseball/28baseball.html?em - I am open, but this was a part of the World Series and it will be remembered for it - for the few who watched it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I see, let me know if I can post; I can do that ~~Akc2543~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I will call it simply "Umpiring". I am VERy reasonable. I am not someone who posts on Wiki unless I have citations. I was trying to add them, and I also was trying to be neutral. I was unsure of the weasel words. As a PhD student, I try to avoid them, but I am happy to remove if necessary ~~AKC2543~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not think it merits its own section. I think it is a sideline that will bring change to the way things are handled in 2009 or 2010. I also do not think it is one-sided BECAUSE the calls were not one-sided. In other words, both teams can be upset and happy. I also won't make personal attacks on the umpires because they are human and it is the nature of baseball. I hope this clears my thoughts up. AKC2543
I just posted what we added above for you to view. Truthfully, if it were ONE or TWO bad calls I would agree, but this because an issue among itself by Game 5 with the weather. The weather and umpiring took a theme as much as the Phillies and Rays. AKC2543 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 04:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I see everyone's comments on how to sign. I am new to discussion, I have it now. Thanks -- Akc2543 ( talk) 04:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Under "Umpiring," there is no mention of another call the umpires blew. Jimmy Rollins protested that he was hit by a pitch. The umpire shakes his head no, but replay shows that the ball did indeed hit Rollins in the back of his jersey. It was during a pivotal moment in Game 2- I believe during the 8th inning- as the Phillies were successfully mounting a comeback. —Preceding
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There is no reason to change the table formatting. Using non-breaking spaces is fine, but not removing the other spaces creates an excess of space between numbers and the teams with which they are associated. Right-aligning the table not only looks extremely sloppy, but aligning only some of the cells makes it look even worse. Please defer to the style (which was already correct) used by the first major contributor ( Blackngold29). In addition, inserting the days wastes space, as opposed to just the dates. The days are listed below; they do not need to be in the table as well. I have no problem using the "class=wikitable," but it needs to be done properly. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the last three World Series all ended with a strikeout (Wainwright in 2006, Papelbon in 2007, and Lidge in 2008). I'm wondering if that's the first time that has ever happened. It would be a nice fun fact to add to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.184.131 ( talk) 06:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I will be happy to research it. Give me until Tuesday to find out and I will post it for discussion.-- Akc2543 ( talk) 07:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
This question is going to recur as long as this article exists (someone will want to delete it, Bowdlerise it or send it to a footnote, only to have others revert it back to its present format and position). So we might as well have a discussion, learn what others think and try to reach some consensus to which reference can be made when a new editor wants to change whatever conclusion is reached.
I have no fixed position myself (living in Providence without following baseball closely, I hadn't heard of Chase Utley until the playoffs), but to me the question (to which I don't know the answer) is whether the quotation is important and notable enough to balance out the fact that this page will be visited by many children, adults and families who like baseball but will surely be offended by the language in a place where it might not be expected. This doesn't mean I favor censorship, any more than in an article about Allen Ginsberg's poetry or hip hop, but on the other hand, the Wikipedia policies on censorship and profanity, with the attendant discussions and essays, also say that profanity (rather than, for example, a paraphrase with or without explicit footnotes) should be used if and only if it is important to the topic:
Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not.
Having wordily framed the question, I now leave it to others better-informed to fill out the details and arguments. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not to be censored. Whether or not the quote is offensive should never be the question on Wikipedia. Whether or not the quote is useful, relevant or notable should always be the question on Wikipedia. Kingturtle ( talk) 12:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
“ | It is clearly the single biggest event in the history of our company, which is pretty amazing. | ” |
This quote adds nothing to the article. And the emphasis is WP:OR and needs removed. Grsz 11 →Review! 23:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
¶ As I said above, I'm basically agnostic, because I think it depends on the facts.
—— Shakescene ( talk) 01:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It's also a stretch. Two days later is certainly out of the scope of this article, whether it's at a celebration or not. Grsz 11 →Review! 01:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone changed the entire quote to be italicized. It seems to detract from the emphasis; perhaps we could get an explanation as to why it was changed?
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3/10/09 OK! If we have to endure the Utley quote in the quotes of the series section, can we at least please also include the Joe Buck Quote?? Every time someone readds the Utley Quote, they delete the Joe Buck Quote "Phillies are World Champions" One is vulgar and one is not. Since we seem to be listing the vulgar quote, let's also list the non vulgar quote, rather than delete it just to put Utley's back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.156.227.2 ( talk) 12:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This event is certainly significant in the history of Philadelphia as a city and definitely should remain. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
←Why not add this category to other articles? Sports championships are historically significant. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
It's been a while since I have done anything significant with the article, partially because I have been busy with school-work and partially because I was allowing all of the craziness that comes with a championship to settle down. Hopefully my wait is over and I will be able to do some writing and revising for the GA nomination. I have a few comments/ideas, see what you think:
These are all observations of what I see, please comment on anything or everything! Black ngold29 15:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Regarding images for this article, there should really only be images from the Series itself or of complete 2008 team photos. Photos of players from non-2008 World Series games mislead readers. Kingturtle ( talk) 16:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Here are some Flickr images from the actual series: and related images, here and related images, here and related images, here and related images (this is a great shot), here and related images. Kingturtle ( talk) 16:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
In an effort to help you, I read the article over, and made a rearrangement to the "Umpiring" section. I did not add or delete, just put the errors in chronological order. You can fix it if you disapprove. MW -- Akc2543 ( talk) 12:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)-- Akc2543 ( talk) 12:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
By the way, great work on fixing the captions of the images. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Did they do the seventh-inning stretch in game 5? – Howard the Duck 13:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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Do we need to include the salary statistics? I know we all love small-market competitors, but how does it relate to the Series? If people want to know where the teams rank there are multiple sites out there that has the info. Maybe it's just the wording or something, but it seems kind of awkward. Any thoughts? Black ngold29 03:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
As recommended by Gladys j cortez, I'm outlining the policies in MOS that require the section headers to stay as they were when the game began, since no other users have come to the talk page yet.
Because of these reasons, the section headers should stay as is. Now there shouldn't be any more fighting about it, and hopefully I'm not going to be blocked for violating 3RR. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 10:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Another re-occuring battle is the linking/unlinking of dates, stadiums, and cities especially in the Game summaries section. Per WP:OVERLINK the stadiums and cities should be linked the first time they appear only. Dates should not be linked because they are not presented fully (ie December 25, 1895) per the title of the article all dates are assumed 2008 unless otherwise noted. Black ngold29 19:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Can we throw something in there about Danley failing? I mean, he failed so hard on two calls in baseball's biggest stage. Something must be noted about that. It's not POV, it's the cold hard facts, Jules. YerYeller ( talk) 12:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The link to James Shields under "Game two" is incorrect. It links to James Shields, a politician from the 1800s, not the baseball player. Here is the correct link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shields_(baseball) Will an admin please correct this error?
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Since all games of the Series are assumed to start at 8 PM EST unless delayed by weather, and since the 2008 US Presidential election is a topic that has received wide coverage, the footnote that was removed is not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. I'm replacing it. Discussions can be here. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should somehow include the fact that the teams wore the so-called Elmer Fudd hats (baseball caps with ear flaps) in both games 4 and 5 due to weather conditions. Here are some links to use: link one, and link two. The cold temperatures prompted the teams to wear them, which were originally introduced in Spring Training, for the first time in any regular or postseason game. They're both hilarious but also historic, so I believe it's notable. conman33 ( . . .talk) 04:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
How should the scoreboxes look after the game resumes? Especially now that it's a different day, and play likely won't be resumed for a few days? I've always seen a rain-delayed game with all scores reflected in one scoreboard, but I've never seen a game suspended and resumed on another date. Would it be unorthodox to have a scoreboard for game 5a and 5b? Mjf3719 ( talk) 12:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The post-season is run by the Commissioner's Office. That's how Selig was able to get away with his pre-game decision that the game must go to normal length. He has basically ruled that any Series-deciding game must go the full length. This approach in general runs counter to the way such a game would be handled in the regular season. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The cite is in the MLB.com article used in the article. Cite name is <cite name=delay/> He apparently made this clear to both teams before the game even started. Black ngold29 17:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we can even say the ad is delaying the start anymore. Grsz Review! 17:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Considering MLB won't ever change their game time to work around weather, it is certainly noteworthy that MLB had agreed to change their game time for Obama. Even if, in the end, a game time changed, that MLB agreed to - that is noteworthy enough. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
We can say that they changed it because of Obama because references do exist to back it up. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
According to the Washington Post, "The Fox television network agreed with a request by Major League Baseball to move the start of Game 6 of the series by 15 minutes to accommodate Obama's purchase of the television time." And this news article quotes Fox as saying "Fox will accommodate Senator Obama's desire to communicate with voters in this longform format. We are pleased that Major League Baseball has agreed to delay the first pitch of World Series Game 6 for a few minutes in order for Fox to carry his program on Oct. 29. If requested, the network would be willing to make similar time available to Senator McCain's campaign." Of course, that statement was made before anyone knew about the suspended game. Kingturtle ( talk) 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I bring up other weather problems and tied games in the discussion of Game 5, because it occurs to me that the reader might like to know something about other similar events, without having to look through all the 100-plus World Series articles. There were tied games in 1907, 1912, and 1922. There were significant rain delays between starts in 1911 and 1962. Also because some reports said this was the first Series game that was not played to "completion". It depends on how you define that term. The 3 ties were technically "completed", and their stats counted, but all they did was add an extra game to the post-season, as the results didn't count one iota. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Bugs, here's a great little write-up for you to read. Kingturtle ( talk) 20:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't we get some pix up? Particularly the one of the tarp crew coming on during game 5. -- Levineps ( talk) 23:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I uploaded a few pictures that I took at game 5. The seats were poor, but so far better than nothing http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008_world_series_rain_delay.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hinske_strikeout.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Players_rushing_field.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phillies_board.JPG Edg126 ( talk) 17:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
As of this writing MLB.com is giving the start date and time of Games 6 and 7 as "TBD". That means "To Be Determined", as opposed to "Tampa Bay Dome", which is certain. My assumption is that, given the iffy weather in Philly, unless there is a need for Game 6, they won't make any announcement about it until Game 5 is in the bag. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
There's alot of information under the Game 5 heading - much more than is under the other games. Most of it is due to the suspension. The Nevada gambeling paragraph has nothing to do with the game. Is it worth creating a sub-heading under Game 5 to explain Nevada and the historical first-ness of the suspension? This would allow the game 5 section to pertain only to the actual game, as the other game sections do. Mjf3719 ( talk) 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to edit Game five to say that Victorino drove in Werth and Utley, not Werth and Burrell. Burrell was on first, and only advanced to second on Shane's hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.53.244 ( talk) 00:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
"The team accumulated seven walk-off wins before the All-Star break"
Maybe I haven't watched enough baseball lately, but "walk-off win" is not clear to me.
Also, as far as I could tell they didn't play the National Anthem before the re-start, nor Take me out to the ballgame or God Bless America at the 7th inning stretch. Smallbones ( talk) 04:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone should add a blurb about Penn's curse!
As I've already removed one section, and there will probably be more to come, I thought I'd lay out some guidelines for any inclusion of a controversy section.
Just thought I would put a few things out there. Without any comment on the merit of such claims, I encourage anybody who thinks these opinions should be added to start a discussion here. Thanks, Grsz 11 →Review! 13:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I was in the middle of adding citations but someone deleted all of my work WHILE I was working on it. There have been reliable sources (ESPN) where the unpires admit they got the calls wrong. All I am aking is that you let me SHOW this before you delete them... I am not a poster who "does what I want" I am trying but someone keeps changing it before I added the refernce tag.
This is what I want to add
Between Games 4 and 5, the league admitted that in Game 3, Phillies Jamie Moyer threw the ball to Ryan Howard to tag out Rays Carl Crawford at first base, despite umpire Tom Hallion calling Crawford safe in the game. The league also admitted that in Game 4, Evan Longoria tagged Rollins at third base, though umpire Tim Welke had ruled Rollins safe. [2] In Game 2, home plate umpire Kerwin Danley appealed a call to the first base umpire after calling strike three; the first base umpire called ball four to award Rays Rocco Baldelli a walk. Baldelli admitted that the calls did not come up in the locker room, and did not affect the results. [3]
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Obviously it will conform to Wiki standards first
Thoughts... I want to ask for approval from the Wikipedia gods first —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs)
Akc2543: Go for it; it needs to be posted and it needs to conform to Wiki standards. I found relianble sources, I don't do blogs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Here is the other source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/sports/baseball/28baseball.html?em - I am open, but this was a part of the World Series and it will be remembered for it - for the few who watched it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I see, let me know if I can post; I can do that ~~Akc2543~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I will call it simply "Umpiring". I am VERy reasonable. I am not someone who posts on Wiki unless I have citations. I was trying to add them, and I also was trying to be neutral. I was unsure of the weasel words. As a PhD student, I try to avoid them, but I am happy to remove if necessary ~~AKC2543~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not think it merits its own section. I think it is a sideline that will bring change to the way things are handled in 2009 or 2010. I also do not think it is one-sided BECAUSE the calls were not one-sided. In other words, both teams can be upset and happy. I also won't make personal attacks on the umpires because they are human and it is the nature of baseball. I hope this clears my thoughts up. AKC2543
I just posted what we added above for you to view. Truthfully, if it were ONE or TWO bad calls I would agree, but this because an issue among itself by Game 5 with the weather. The weather and umpiring took a theme as much as the Phillies and Rays. AKC2543 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akc2543 ( talk • contribs) 04:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I see everyone's comments on how to sign. I am new to discussion, I have it now. Thanks -- Akc2543 ( talk) 04:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Under "Umpiring," there is no mention of another call the umpires blew. Jimmy Rollins protested that he was hit by a pitch. The umpire shakes his head no, but replay shows that the ball did indeed hit Rollins in the back of his jersey. It was during a pivotal moment in Game 2- I believe during the 8th inning- as the Phillies were successfully mounting a comeback. —Preceding
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06:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no reason to change the table formatting. Using non-breaking spaces is fine, but not removing the other spaces creates an excess of space between numbers and the teams with which they are associated. Right-aligning the table not only looks extremely sloppy, but aligning only some of the cells makes it look even worse. Please defer to the style (which was already correct) used by the first major contributor ( Blackngold29). In addition, inserting the days wastes space, as opposed to just the dates. The days are listed below; they do not need to be in the table as well. I have no problem using the "class=wikitable," but it needs to be done properly. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the last three World Series all ended with a strikeout (Wainwright in 2006, Papelbon in 2007, and Lidge in 2008). I'm wondering if that's the first time that has ever happened. It would be a nice fun fact to add to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.184.131 ( talk) 06:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I will be happy to research it. Give me until Tuesday to find out and I will post it for discussion.-- Akc2543 ( talk) 07:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
This question is going to recur as long as this article exists (someone will want to delete it, Bowdlerise it or send it to a footnote, only to have others revert it back to its present format and position). So we might as well have a discussion, learn what others think and try to reach some consensus to which reference can be made when a new editor wants to change whatever conclusion is reached.
I have no fixed position myself (living in Providence without following baseball closely, I hadn't heard of Chase Utley until the playoffs), but to me the question (to which I don't know the answer) is whether the quotation is important and notable enough to balance out the fact that this page will be visited by many children, adults and families who like baseball but will surely be offended by the language in a place where it might not be expected. This doesn't mean I favor censorship, any more than in an article about Allen Ginsberg's poetry or hip hop, but on the other hand, the Wikipedia policies on censorship and profanity, with the attendant discussions and essays, also say that profanity (rather than, for example, a paraphrase with or without explicit footnotes) should be used if and only if it is important to the topic:
Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not.
Having wordily framed the question, I now leave it to others better-informed to fill out the details and arguments. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not to be censored. Whether or not the quote is offensive should never be the question on Wikipedia. Whether or not the quote is useful, relevant or notable should always be the question on Wikipedia. Kingturtle ( talk) 12:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
“ | It is clearly the single biggest event in the history of our company, which is pretty amazing. | ” |
This quote adds nothing to the article. And the emphasis is WP:OR and needs removed. Grsz 11 →Review! 23:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
¶ As I said above, I'm basically agnostic, because I think it depends on the facts.
—— Shakescene ( talk) 01:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It's also a stretch. Two days later is certainly out of the scope of this article, whether it's at a celebration or not. Grsz 11 →Review! 01:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone changed the entire quote to be italicized. It seems to detract from the emphasis; perhaps we could get an explanation as to why it was changed?
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05:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
3/10/09 OK! If we have to endure the Utley quote in the quotes of the series section, can we at least please also include the Joe Buck Quote?? Every time someone readds the Utley Quote, they delete the Joe Buck Quote "Phillies are World Champions" One is vulgar and one is not. Since we seem to be listing the vulgar quote, let's also list the non vulgar quote, rather than delete it just to put Utley's back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.156.227.2 ( talk) 12:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This event is certainly significant in the history of Philadelphia as a city and definitely should remain. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
←Why not add this category to other articles? Sports championships are historically significant. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
It's been a while since I have done anything significant with the article, partially because I have been busy with school-work and partially because I was allowing all of the craziness that comes with a championship to settle down. Hopefully my wait is over and I will be able to do some writing and revising for the GA nomination. I have a few comments/ideas, see what you think:
These are all observations of what I see, please comment on anything or everything! Black ngold29 15:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Regarding images for this article, there should really only be images from the Series itself or of complete 2008 team photos. Photos of players from non-2008 World Series games mislead readers. Kingturtle ( talk) 16:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Here are some Flickr images from the actual series: and related images, here and related images, here and related images, here and related images (this is a great shot), here and related images. Kingturtle ( talk) 16:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
In an effort to help you, I read the article over, and made a rearrangement to the "Umpiring" section. I did not add or delete, just put the errors in chronological order. You can fix it if you disapprove. MW -- Akc2543 ( talk) 12:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)-- Akc2543 ( talk) 12:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
By the way, great work on fixing the captions of the images. Kingturtle ( talk) 18:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Did they do the seventh-inning stretch in game 5? – Howard the Duck 13:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)