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The result of the proposal was Withdrawn by nominator -- Djsasso ( talk) 12:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
To leave your comments about this new bracket redesign, click, here. |
{{16TeamBracket/2 | RD1=Conference Quarterfinals | RD2=Conference Semifinals | RD3=Conference Finals | RD4=Stanley Cup Finals | RD2-group1='''[[Eastern Conference (NHL)|Eastern Conference]]''' | RD2-group2='''[[Western Conference (NHL)|Western Conference]]''' | RD1-seed01=1 | RD1-team01='''Montreal Canadiens''' | RD1-score01='''4''' | RD1-seed02=8 | RD1-team02=Boston Bruins | RD1-score02=3 | RD1-seed03=2 | RD1-team03='''Pittsburgh Penguins''' | RD1-score03='''4''' | RD1-seed04=7 | RD1-team04=Ottawa Senators | RD1-score04=0 | RD1-seed05=3 | RD1-team05=Washington Capitals | RD1-score05=3 | RD1-seed06=6 | RD1-team06=Philadelphia Flyers | RD1-score06=3 | RD1-seed07=4 | RD1-team07=New Jersey Devils | RD1-score07=1 | RD1-seed08=5 | RD1-team08='''New York Rangers''' | RD1-score08='''4''' | RD1-seed09=1 | RD1-team09='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD1-score09='''4''' | RD1-seed10=8 | RD1-team10=Nashville Predators | RD1-score10=2 | RD1-seed11=2 | RD1-team11=San Jose Sharks | RD1-score11=3 | RD1-seed12=7 | RD1-team12=Calgary Flames | RD1-score12=3 | RD1-seed13=3 | RD1-team13=Minnesota Wild | RD1-score13=2 | RD1-seed14=6 | RD1-team14='''Colorado Avalanche''' | RD1-score14='''4''' | RD1-seed15=4 | RD1-team15=Anaheim Ducks | RD1-score15=2 | RD1-seed16=5 | RD1-team16='''Dallas Stars''' | RD1-score16='''4''' | RD2-seed01=1 | RD2-team01=Montreal Canadiens | RD2-score01= | RD2-seed02= | RD2-team02= | RD2-score02= | RD2-seed03=2 | RD2-team03=Pittsburgh Penguins | RD2-score03= | RD2-seed04= | RD2-team04= | RD2-score04= | RD2-seed05=1 | RD2-team05=Detroit Red Wings | RD2-score05= | RD2-seed06= | RD2-team06= | RD2-score06= | RD2-seed07= | RD2-team07= | RD2-score07= | RD2-seed08= | RD2-team08= | RD2-score08= | RD3-seed01= | RD3-team01= | RD3-score01= | RD3-seed02= | RD3-team02= | RD3-score02= | RD3-seed03= | RD3-team03= | RD3-score03= | RD3-seed04= | RD3-team04= | RD3-score04= | RD4-seed01= | RD4-team01= | RD4-score01= | RD4-seed02= | RD4-team02= | RD4-score02= }}
{{16TeamBracket/2 | RD1=Conference Quarterfinals | RD2=Conference Semifinals | RD3=Conference Finals | RD4=Stanley Cup Finals | RD2-group1='''[[Eastern Conference (NHL)|Eastern Conference]]''' | RD2-group2='''[[Western Conference (NHL)|Western Conference]]''' | RD1-seed01='''1''' | RD1-team01='''Buffalo Sabres''' | RD1-score01='''4''' | RD1-seed02=8 | RD1-team02=New York Islanders | RD1-score02=1 | RD1-seed03='''2''' | RD1-team03='''New Jersey Devils''' | RD1-score03='''4''' | RD1-seed04=7 | RD1-team04=Tampa Bay Lightning | RD1-score04=2 | RD1-seed05=3 | RD1-team05=Atlanta Thrashers | RD1-score05=0 | RD1-seed06='''6''' | RD1-team06='''New York Rangers''' | RD1-score06='''4''' | RD1-seed07='''4''' | RD1-team07='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD1-score07='''4''' | RD1-seed08=5 | RD1-team08=Pittsburgh Penguins | RD1-score08=1 | RD1-seed09='''1''' | RD1-team09='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD1-score09='''4''' | RD1-seed10=8 | RD1-team10=Calgary Flames | RD1-score10=2 | RD1-seed11='''2''' | RD1-team11='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD1-score11='''4''' | RD1-seed12=7 | RD1-team12=Minnesota Wild | RD1-score12=1 | RD1-seed13='''3''' | RD1-team13='''Vancouver Canucks''' | RD1-score13='''4''' | RD1-seed14=6 | RD1-team14=Dallas Stars | RD1-score14=3 | RD1-seed15=4 | RD1-team15=Nashville Predators | RD1-score15=1 | RD1-seed16='''5''' | RD1-team16='''San Jose Sharks''' | RD1-score16='''4''' | RD2-seed01='''1''' | RD2-team01='''Buffalo Sabres''' | RD2-score01='''4''' | RD2-seed02=6 | RD2-team02=New York Rangers | RD2-score02=2 | RD2-seed03=2 | RD2-team03=New Jersey Devils | RD2-score03=1 | RD2-seed04='''4''' | RD2-team04='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD2-score04='''4''' | RD2-seed05='''1''' | RD2-team05='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD2-score05='''4''' | RD2-seed06=5 | RD2-team06=San Jose Sharks | RD2-score06=2 | RD2-seed07='''2''' | RD2-team07='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD2-score07='''4''' | RD2-seed08=3 | RD2-team08=Vancouver Canucks | RD2-score08=1 | RD3-seed01=1 | RD3-team01=Buffalo Sabres | RD3-score01=1 | RD3-seed02='''4''' | RD3-team02='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD3-score02='''4''' | RD3-seed03=1 | RD3-team03=Detroit Red Wings | RD3-score03=2 | RD3-seed04='''2''' | RD3-team04='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD3-score04='''4''' | RD4-seed01= E4 | RD4-team01= Ottawa Senators | RD4-score01=1 | RD4-seed02= '''W2''' | RD4-team02= '''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD4-score02='''4''' }}
Comments are appreciated. -- Sukh17 T • C • E 20:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The bracket makes it seem like the winner of 1-8 will play the winner of 2-7; and, the winner of 3-6 will play 4-5. According to CBS Sports, the match-ups go 1-8 plays 4-5, and 2-7 plays 3-6 ( http://sportsline.com/nhl/playoffrace/bracket). The bracket on this page should be modified. Jasoncknapp ( talk) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Unrelated: Would you guys go with the home team on top convention this year? -- Howard the Duck 14:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have an idea for changing the look after the second round:
Conference Quarterfinals | Conference Semifinals | Conference Finals | Stanley Cup Finals | ||||||||||||||||
1 | Montreal Canadiens | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
8 | Boston Bruins | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Montreal Canadiens | ||||||||||||||||||
6 | Philadelphia Flyers | ||||||||||||||||||
3 | Washington Capitals | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
6 | Philadelphia Flyers | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Conference | |||||||||||||||||||
2 | Pittsburgh Penguins | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
7 | Ottawa Senators | 0 | |||||||||||||||||
2 | Pittsburgh Penguins | ||||||||||||||||||
5 | New York Rangers | ||||||||||||||||||
4 | New Jersey Devils | 1 | |||||||||||||||||
5 | New York Rangers | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Detroit Red Wings | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
8 | Nashville Predators | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Detroit Red Wings | ||||||||||||||||||
2 | San Jose Sharks | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
7 | Calgary Flames | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
Western Conference | |||||||||||||||||||
3 | Minnesota Wild | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
6 | Colorado Avalanche | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
4 | Anaheim Ducks | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
5 | Dallas Stars | 4 |
This makes it a little easier to read. For example, let's take Montreal and Philly. By having their first round results directly to the left of them, it makes it easier to see who the second round playing teams played in the first round. FMAFan1990 ( talk) 02:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
See the new bracket proposal at Template talk:NHLBracket#New bracket proposal. -- Howard the Duck 06:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
If there are to be brackets AT ALL, then it's pointless to arrange them in any order other than the order as it turns out after the second round. True, the NHL does not use a "real" bracket system as used in, say, the NCAA Basketball Tournament. But if you're going to use the graphical bracket system, showing seeds, then it's pointless to show teams in one spot in one round and another in another, REGARDLESS of a notation that it's not a true bracket system. The purpose of a bracket is to provide an "at-a-glance" style reference, and by using a bracket where a team is in Bracket A in the first round but jumps to Bracket B in the second, you rob the system of its utility. If there is really no true "bracket" system, then it is NOT IMPORTANT that someone (me) reordered the first round boxes after that round was over, because the placement of the teams in a "traditional" seeding position (such as the NCAA's) is not important. Thus, the change harms nothing. I vehemently object to the notion that we MUST use the 1-8/4-5, 2-7/3-6 order, because in practice that order doesn't reflect how it shook out. Otherwise, scrap the bracket model altogether. 1995hoo ( talk) 20:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone above proposed moving the QFs around to match the eventual pairings in the SFs. Although I am new to all of this, I have tried to get up to speed and my review of last year's playoff discussion page indicates that consensus was reached at that time that leaving the QFs in the original 1/8, 2/7, 3/6, 4/5 order, irrespective of where the teams end up in the SFs, is intended to indicate visually the concept of re-seeding. When combined with the absence of black lines between the first two rounds, but the presence of black lines thereafter, it is intended to visually convey the notion that the matchups from the 1st to the 2nd round are not pre-determined (as in the NBA or NCAA Tournament). Sliding around the QFs suggests that the pairings were preordained, since nobody sees what they looked like before they were changed. See the talk page for last year's playoff article for further elaboration. MrArticleOne ( talk) 05:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
The result of the proposal was Withdrawn by nominator -- Djsasso ( talk) 12:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
To leave your comments about this new bracket redesign, click, here. |
{{16TeamBracket/2 | RD1=Conference Quarterfinals | RD2=Conference Semifinals | RD3=Conference Finals | RD4=Stanley Cup Finals | RD2-group1='''[[Eastern Conference (NHL)|Eastern Conference]]''' | RD2-group2='''[[Western Conference (NHL)|Western Conference]]''' | RD1-seed01=1 | RD1-team01='''Montreal Canadiens''' | RD1-score01='''4''' | RD1-seed02=8 | RD1-team02=Boston Bruins | RD1-score02=3 | RD1-seed03=2 | RD1-team03='''Pittsburgh Penguins''' | RD1-score03='''4''' | RD1-seed04=7 | RD1-team04=Ottawa Senators | RD1-score04=0 | RD1-seed05=3 | RD1-team05=Washington Capitals | RD1-score05=3 | RD1-seed06=6 | RD1-team06=Philadelphia Flyers | RD1-score06=3 | RD1-seed07=4 | RD1-team07=New Jersey Devils | RD1-score07=1 | RD1-seed08=5 | RD1-team08='''New York Rangers''' | RD1-score08='''4''' | RD1-seed09=1 | RD1-team09='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD1-score09='''4''' | RD1-seed10=8 | RD1-team10=Nashville Predators | RD1-score10=2 | RD1-seed11=2 | RD1-team11=San Jose Sharks | RD1-score11=3 | RD1-seed12=7 | RD1-team12=Calgary Flames | RD1-score12=3 | RD1-seed13=3 | RD1-team13=Minnesota Wild | RD1-score13=2 | RD1-seed14=6 | RD1-team14='''Colorado Avalanche''' | RD1-score14='''4''' | RD1-seed15=4 | RD1-team15=Anaheim Ducks | RD1-score15=2 | RD1-seed16=5 | RD1-team16='''Dallas Stars''' | RD1-score16='''4''' | RD2-seed01=1 | RD2-team01=Montreal Canadiens | RD2-score01= | RD2-seed02= | RD2-team02= | RD2-score02= | RD2-seed03=2 | RD2-team03=Pittsburgh Penguins | RD2-score03= | RD2-seed04= | RD2-team04= | RD2-score04= | RD2-seed05=1 | RD2-team05=Detroit Red Wings | RD2-score05= | RD2-seed06= | RD2-team06= | RD2-score06= | RD2-seed07= | RD2-team07= | RD2-score07= | RD2-seed08= | RD2-team08= | RD2-score08= | RD3-seed01= | RD3-team01= | RD3-score01= | RD3-seed02= | RD3-team02= | RD3-score02= | RD3-seed03= | RD3-team03= | RD3-score03= | RD3-seed04= | RD3-team04= | RD3-score04= | RD4-seed01= | RD4-team01= | RD4-score01= | RD4-seed02= | RD4-team02= | RD4-score02= }}
{{16TeamBracket/2 | RD1=Conference Quarterfinals | RD2=Conference Semifinals | RD3=Conference Finals | RD4=Stanley Cup Finals | RD2-group1='''[[Eastern Conference (NHL)|Eastern Conference]]''' | RD2-group2='''[[Western Conference (NHL)|Western Conference]]''' | RD1-seed01='''1''' | RD1-team01='''Buffalo Sabres''' | RD1-score01='''4''' | RD1-seed02=8 | RD1-team02=New York Islanders | RD1-score02=1 | RD1-seed03='''2''' | RD1-team03='''New Jersey Devils''' | RD1-score03='''4''' | RD1-seed04=7 | RD1-team04=Tampa Bay Lightning | RD1-score04=2 | RD1-seed05=3 | RD1-team05=Atlanta Thrashers | RD1-score05=0 | RD1-seed06='''6''' | RD1-team06='''New York Rangers''' | RD1-score06='''4''' | RD1-seed07='''4''' | RD1-team07='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD1-score07='''4''' | RD1-seed08=5 | RD1-team08=Pittsburgh Penguins | RD1-score08=1 | RD1-seed09='''1''' | RD1-team09='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD1-score09='''4''' | RD1-seed10=8 | RD1-team10=Calgary Flames | RD1-score10=2 | RD1-seed11='''2''' | RD1-team11='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD1-score11='''4''' | RD1-seed12=7 | RD1-team12=Minnesota Wild | RD1-score12=1 | RD1-seed13='''3''' | RD1-team13='''Vancouver Canucks''' | RD1-score13='''4''' | RD1-seed14=6 | RD1-team14=Dallas Stars | RD1-score14=3 | RD1-seed15=4 | RD1-team15=Nashville Predators | RD1-score15=1 | RD1-seed16='''5''' | RD1-team16='''San Jose Sharks''' | RD1-score16='''4''' | RD2-seed01='''1''' | RD2-team01='''Buffalo Sabres''' | RD2-score01='''4''' | RD2-seed02=6 | RD2-team02=New York Rangers | RD2-score02=2 | RD2-seed03=2 | RD2-team03=New Jersey Devils | RD2-score03=1 | RD2-seed04='''4''' | RD2-team04='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD2-score04='''4''' | RD2-seed05='''1''' | RD2-team05='''Detroit Red Wings''' | RD2-score05='''4''' | RD2-seed06=5 | RD2-team06=San Jose Sharks | RD2-score06=2 | RD2-seed07='''2''' | RD2-team07='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD2-score07='''4''' | RD2-seed08=3 | RD2-team08=Vancouver Canucks | RD2-score08=1 | RD3-seed01=1 | RD3-team01=Buffalo Sabres | RD3-score01=1 | RD3-seed02='''4''' | RD3-team02='''Ottawa Senators''' | RD3-score02='''4''' | RD3-seed03=1 | RD3-team03=Detroit Red Wings | RD3-score03=2 | RD3-seed04='''2''' | RD3-team04='''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD3-score04='''4''' | RD4-seed01= E4 | RD4-team01= Ottawa Senators | RD4-score01=1 | RD4-seed02= '''W2''' | RD4-team02= '''Anaheim Ducks''' | RD4-score02='''4''' }}
Comments are appreciated. -- Sukh17 T • C • E 20:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The bracket makes it seem like the winner of 1-8 will play the winner of 2-7; and, the winner of 3-6 will play 4-5. According to CBS Sports, the match-ups go 1-8 plays 4-5, and 2-7 plays 3-6 ( http://sportsline.com/nhl/playoffrace/bracket). The bracket on this page should be modified. Jasoncknapp ( talk) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Unrelated: Would you guys go with the home team on top convention this year? -- Howard the Duck 14:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have an idea for changing the look after the second round:
Conference Quarterfinals | Conference Semifinals | Conference Finals | Stanley Cup Finals | ||||||||||||||||
1 | Montreal Canadiens | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
8 | Boston Bruins | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Montreal Canadiens | ||||||||||||||||||
6 | Philadelphia Flyers | ||||||||||||||||||
3 | Washington Capitals | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
6 | Philadelphia Flyers | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Conference | |||||||||||||||||||
2 | Pittsburgh Penguins | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
7 | Ottawa Senators | 0 | |||||||||||||||||
2 | Pittsburgh Penguins | ||||||||||||||||||
5 | New York Rangers | ||||||||||||||||||
4 | New Jersey Devils | 1 | |||||||||||||||||
5 | New York Rangers | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Detroit Red Wings | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
8 | Nashville Predators | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Detroit Red Wings | ||||||||||||||||||
2 | San Jose Sharks | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
7 | Calgary Flames | 3 | |||||||||||||||||
Western Conference | |||||||||||||||||||
3 | Minnesota Wild | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
6 | Colorado Avalanche | 4 | |||||||||||||||||
4 | Anaheim Ducks | 2 | |||||||||||||||||
5 | Dallas Stars | 4 |
This makes it a little easier to read. For example, let's take Montreal and Philly. By having their first round results directly to the left of them, it makes it easier to see who the second round playing teams played in the first round. FMAFan1990 ( talk) 02:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
See the new bracket proposal at Template talk:NHLBracket#New bracket proposal. -- Howard the Duck 06:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
If there are to be brackets AT ALL, then it's pointless to arrange them in any order other than the order as it turns out after the second round. True, the NHL does not use a "real" bracket system as used in, say, the NCAA Basketball Tournament. But if you're going to use the graphical bracket system, showing seeds, then it's pointless to show teams in one spot in one round and another in another, REGARDLESS of a notation that it's not a true bracket system. The purpose of a bracket is to provide an "at-a-glance" style reference, and by using a bracket where a team is in Bracket A in the first round but jumps to Bracket B in the second, you rob the system of its utility. If there is really no true "bracket" system, then it is NOT IMPORTANT that someone (me) reordered the first round boxes after that round was over, because the placement of the teams in a "traditional" seeding position (such as the NCAA's) is not important. Thus, the change harms nothing. I vehemently object to the notion that we MUST use the 1-8/4-5, 2-7/3-6 order, because in practice that order doesn't reflect how it shook out. Otherwise, scrap the bracket model altogether. 1995hoo ( talk) 20:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone above proposed moving the QFs around to match the eventual pairings in the SFs. Although I am new to all of this, I have tried to get up to speed and my review of last year's playoff discussion page indicates that consensus was reached at that time that leaving the QFs in the original 1/8, 2/7, 3/6, 4/5 order, irrespective of where the teams end up in the SFs, is intended to indicate visually the concept of re-seeding. When combined with the absence of black lines between the first two rounds, but the presence of black lines thereafter, it is intended to visually convey the notion that the matchups from the 1st to the 2nd round are not pre-determined (as in the NBA or NCAA Tournament). Sliding around the QFs suggests that the pairings were preordained, since nobody sees what they looked like before they were changed. See the talk page for last year's playoff article for further elaboration. MrArticleOne ( talk) 05:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)