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Stop deleting the images! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsdjfhkjsb ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to contact him if you wish. Lsdjfhkjsb —Preceding comment was added at 04:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I think "rampage" is a little strong. How about "attack"? -- tariqabjotu 13:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
agreed. rampage is hardly NPOV Sennen goroshi ( talk) 14:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
nah, rampage sounds a lot cooler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.183.67 ( talk) 07:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JaffaRoadTemplate.PNG someone please put the location on the map-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 14:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Done See Image:JaffaRoadBulldozerAttack.png - Reuvenk T C 21:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Was the vehicle in question a bulldozer or a backhoe? Both are used in the articleas well as in the wikinews article. These are not the same piece of machinery...
Tomer
talk 18:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
The vehicle used was not a Bulldozer, but a Tractor fitted with a front loader.-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 18:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Eli Mizrahi, the person who killed the perpetrator with two shots to the head has been named and called 'police officer' in this BBC article but this MSNBC article (which doesn't name Mizrahi) talks about an 'off-duty soldier'. Can someone help confirm which is actually the case? Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 19:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
This source, YnetNews, says that the perpetrator's name is "Hussam". Now, I don't know how you guys treat hebrew references, I actually don't even know how to make a reference, so I'll just change the name in the article, letting one of you do the reference. I have to get more seriously into Wikipedia.-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 21:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC) Let me add that all the English sources I've found call the perpetrator "Jabr", and all of the hebrew sources call him "Hussam". Am I missing something here?-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 21:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "Media reports of the attack frequently refer to the front-end loader, erroneously, as a "bulldozer"." ...so we do too?
Though I have to agree, the current title sounds better than "2008 Jerusalem front-end loader attack." Spencer T♦ C 22:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
For common man it's simply a bulldozer.This is not a eng. related article so there is no need of distinction. User talk:Yousaf465
You should change the title from: 2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack, to "2008 Jerusalem bulldozer massacre" - such a names is more appropriate, as with any case in which someone has gone on a fatal rampage e.g. Mercaz Harav Massacre, Columbine Massacre, etc. -- 124.190.244.83 ( talk) 06:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Please, look at this video:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7486366.stm
At the beginning of it, you can see that when the bulldozer starts again both the unnamed policeman (blue t-shirt) and the other policeman (with the yellow jacket) are already in and around the cabin. At the end of it you can see how the policemen in the yellow jacket is helped descending the cabin, wounded or simply shaken by the shots fired near his head. I am not sure he fired any shots.
in this other video, uncensored, you can see and hear the 4 shots fired by the guy in the blue t-shirt:
http://video.corriere.it/?vxSiteId=404a0ad6-6216-4e10-abfe-f4f6959487fd&vxChannel=Dal%20Mondo&vxClipId=2524_c17e2eb2-4835-11dd-b8f1-00144f02aabc&vxBitrate=300
I see no shots fired by the policemen in the yellow jacket.
Comments? -- Pmstar ( talk) 09:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Certain editors insist on having following sentence included into the article: Video footage of the incident shows no attempt at subduing the perpetrator instead of killing him. It's an obvious OR, as they're not able to give any references to such statement and prefer to use power in the argument. It is absolutely irrelevant comment and it's not clear why anyone would even attempted preserving life of an attacker. I suggest that this sentence be either removed or properly referenced. It would be great if one could participate in the discussion, rather than running for admins' help with ban requests. -- 143.239.215.33 ( talk) 09:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone verify that this is the exact same type of heavy machinery that is routinely used to destroy Palestinian houses? Amity150 ( talk) 07:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Palestinian houses?. -- SkyWalker ( talk) 08:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
No, I wish it was only Palestinian TERRORIST'S houses. Unfortunately, it is not. It happens without a trial, so no one to say if they are terrorists or not. Often it is just land that is wanted for Jewish settlement, or a family whose departure is desired. I have persoanlly known quite a few families who had no accusations at all levelled against them, but whose houses were demolished. Amity150 ( talk) 17:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Four people died altogether, that many people died in the city I live in from road fatalities today, I'm very surprised that this is considered newsworthy, and a terrorist attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.54.73 ( talk) 12:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh, big words! I wasn't having a go at you, just merely saying that the whole terrorist attack label is BS, what if the guy was just pissed off and went on a rampage? I'm sure more people died in America from malicious gunshot wounds in the time it took me to write this statement than people who died in this 'attack'. I am not pro muslim or pro jewish, just saying that this site shouldn't cater to the whole war on terror thing. 211.28.54.73 ( talk) 03:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The 'terrorist attack' label has been tried to pin on it very clearly for political purposes (but there's no reliable source for that, yet). As to newsworthy, you might want to ask that question to the various news agencies who have made it their headline news. We merely react to the immense media output regarding the incident, as we're just a tertiary source. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 14:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
So which is it? Jabr Duwait, Husam Duwait, Hussam Duwiyat or Hossam Dawyyat? All of those variants have been used by big media outlets. Similarly, his age has been quoted as 30, 31 and 32. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 14:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Since it clearly isn't a bulldozer, can we change the name?
DJ Clayworth (
talk) 15:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Done - wow I'm prompt.
ViperSnake151 15:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
If youre gonna say that its a Bulldozer.. then atleast get an admin to change hwat you put in the Main Page.. it says.. A Palestinian man drives a front-end loader into several vehicles in Jerusalem, killing three before being shot dead. .. change it.. so we're not confused. II MusLiM HyBRiD II ( talk) 16:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
As I wrote in the article and in my talkpage, the off-duty soldier asked and received a court injuction not to publicize his name. I guess you are complying with it, by writing a name which is not the correct name.... Happy138 ( talk) 15:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I rather doubt you'll find Haaretz publishing the name of the off-duty soldier who shot the guy. To quote from the JPost,
Until the court injunction is lifted, it would be foolhardy of Haaretz to print his name. I'm sure there are people at the paper who are dying to print it, such is the nature of the endemic IBMS (Israeli Big Mouth Syndrome), but the editors have not, as yet, given into the desire to do so. If you can support the above statement, to wit, that Haaretz has published the name "Moshe Klessner", with a citation from Ha'aretz, please do so. Tomer talk 13:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
So... Jerusalem front-end loader attack is merely a redirect to Jerusalem bulldozer attack, but Talk:Jerusalem front-end loader attack is the real talk page, while Talk:Jerusalem bulldozer attack is just a CfD notice. Huh?! 216.235.8.118 ( talk) 15:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The current picture that's being used in the infobox, the map of Jaffa Road, has no legend corresponding to the numbers, and means nothing at first glance (w/o seeing the enlarged version.) It would be best to replace it with an actual image of the wreckage, like we have in every other "attack" article, and move the map into the actual article, along with a legend. 216.235.8.118 ( talk) 18:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The confusion about the guys name is stunning. Almost every English source calls him "Jabr Duwait", while every Hebrew source call him "Hussam Duwait". A Haaretz article finally put things right- the perpetrator's name is "Hussam", while his uncle's name is "Jabr". Here is a link to the article (Hebrew)- [6]. The important sentence is the last one of the first paragraph- "As a replacement, the neighbors and relative have positioned chairs in the adjacent house, belonging to the perpetrator's uncle, Jabr.". (כתחליף הציבו השכנים והקרובים כיסאות בבית הצמוד, השייך לדודו של המחבל, ג'אבר.) I will edit the article, but have no idea about making references and the like (I am considering making a user and getting serious with Wikipedia), so please, add the reference to the article. Thanks.
Hi, I have found this article in Haaretz, with a quote of a relative of the perpetrator, talking about his (possible) drug use and the relation to the attack. [7]- Along with the drug related paragraph in the "Motive" section, this might add to it. -- 79.182.107.146 ( talk) 11:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I wish it was only Palestinian TERRORIST'S houses. Unfortunately, it is not. It happens without any trial, so no one is to say if they are terrorists or not. Sometimes just kids throwing stones, or often it is just land that is wanted for Jewish settlement, or of a family whose departure is desired. I personally knew quite a few families who had no accusations at all levelled against them, but whose houses were demolished.
I don't know much about heavy equipment, but it looks quite a bit like the same type of thing that was used Israeli Defense Forces in the death of Rachel Corrie. At any rate, the driver's inspiration in this bulldozer/ front-end loader attack seems clear enough. Perhaps Israel should stop bulldozing Palestinian houses -- as a security measure. Amity150 ( talk) 18:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to expand the discussion from this particular bulldozer incident to bulldozer incidents in Israel generally, but I was amazed and frustrated that no one else seems to have gotten the obvious point. I'll back off now as long as no one else edits what I have written, as happened in the first posting. Amity150 ( talk) 18:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I agree the "just snapping" theory probably explains all attacks on civilians that have occurred or will occur between 1948 and an indeterminate point in the future. It is a very mutilated society. Bulldozers are such a major cultural motif among Palestinians it would be difficult to believe that this man made NO association whatsoever. Amity150 ( talk) 23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, the attack and its copies are strikingly similar to the Israeli bulldozers attacking Palestinian homes. Yet, this lone instant gets its one section and is labeled a "terrorist attack"? Why not an article on the actual Israeli bulldozer attacks that are taking place far more often, even killing foreign aid workers. At the very least, we should point out the obvious motive for this attack. Coolgamer ( talk) 20:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I've slightly reorganised the Motive section, splitting off the paragraf regarding the planned house razing into a new section Aftermath. There is a one-sentence paragraf I wasn't sure where to put:
I've left it in the Motive section for now, but it would probably be more suited for a new section about the perpetrator. Any ideas/suggestions? Everyme 20:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Five times, the article uses the name "Moshe Klessner" as the name of the young off-duty soldier, citing two online news stories as the source for this name. The first (TotallyJewish.com, which can scarcely be described as a news outlet), does not cite a source for his name, and [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=68676 the second] (WorldNetDaily.com) can't even seem to figure out his age. The article further states "Haaretz quotes Klessner, saying...", yet a search of Haaretz.com turns up exactly 0 hits for "Klessner", and certainly the page cited for this claim never mentions his name. Verifiability from reliable sources is, at this point, looking pretty shaky. Beyond all that, however, the guy who shot the rampaging Arab driver, whatever his name might be, and how ever old he might be, has requested that his name not be released. Wikipedia may well be treading on dangerous ground (I don't know), by insisting that the guy's name is Moshe Klessner, but more importantly, in doing so, a fundamental principle of Wikipedia is being trampled here. The principle, so far as I know, doesn't have a name... but it undergirds policies outlined in WP:BLP and WP:HARRASS. Tomer talk 13:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Friends, the young soldier doesn't want his name published. He actually went to the court, and got a gag order against it. A few articles were published (online) before this, and so they did say his name, but later removed it.
Though we are not in any way bound by Israel's laws, especially not this kind of injunction, maybe we should just respect his wishes in the matter, and don't mention the name. okedem ( talk) 16:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Please, if anyone can, search the news engines on the net and create a new article (or add a section to this one) about the bulldozer attack that occured today. -- 79.180.152.187 ( talk) 11:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I added the tag because there are blatant biases in this article that are completely extraneous and unnecessary. For instance, the link in the see also section ("BMW terror attack") is labeled something other than what the actual article is labeled! The article is called "Jerusalem BMW attack. The infractions are numerous. This seems like one person or one group of people framing a historical event a certain way. It seems like a concerted effort to make this out to be a terrorist act but from my perspective it was just one crazed guy taking out his frustrations. Can we make this more neutral? Jiminezwaldorf ( talk) 10:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the constant use of the word 'Arab' in place of any other identifying noun more characteristic of hate speech? Someone will say it's just a word, but to me (a sociolinguist,admittedly) it seems to be, for one, treating the offender as some kind of representative of Middle Eastern peoples, and secondly, it is also seeming to imply that he committed the crime because he was 'an arab', not because he was a criminal. Come on, people. You wouldn't like it if you were on the receiving end. (Oh, before anybody calls antisemitism? I'm Jewish. I just despise racism.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.54.12 ( talk) 01:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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For the sake of accuracy I do not believe this page should be titled as Bulldozer attack. Instead it should be titled as backhoe attack or more precisely front end loader. Quite simply the machine used was not a bulldozer and I am unsure why the page even mentions a bulldozer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:C2CC:FF00:4113:AE65:D181:943A ( talk) 08:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Samuel Abucaya. The bulldozer stopped after I shot the driver through the back window with one 9mm bullet in his upper back. No police woman nor anybody else shot him at that time! I was the Security Guard at the bank the terrorist passed by. After the bulldozer stopped, the terrorist knocked out with big amount of blood comng out from his mouth, people were able to jump in it, which was impossible while running at some 30 km/h speed. The terrorist (who took ecstasy drugs, confirmed later on) came back to himself and stepped on the gas and managed to kill another woman in her car while fighting with people inside the bulldozer until they killed him by shooting him in the head... I have many other details who were occulted by the medias and the Police, but who are not important at that point. Just one last thing. Too many facts show us that the terrorist did not act on his own and that the true objective of the attack was to reach the big overcrowded food market Mahane Yehuda, some 20 seconds away from where he was stopped!... Interview Al Jazeera available on You tube...
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Stop deleting the images! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsdjfhkjsb ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to contact him if you wish. Lsdjfhkjsb —Preceding comment was added at 04:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I think "rampage" is a little strong. How about "attack"? -- tariqabjotu 13:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
agreed. rampage is hardly NPOV Sennen goroshi ( talk) 14:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
nah, rampage sounds a lot cooler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.183.67 ( talk) 07:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JaffaRoadTemplate.PNG someone please put the location on the map-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 14:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Done See Image:JaffaRoadBulldozerAttack.png - Reuvenk T C 21:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Was the vehicle in question a bulldozer or a backhoe? Both are used in the articleas well as in the wikinews article. These are not the same piece of machinery...
Tomer
talk 18:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
The vehicle used was not a Bulldozer, but a Tractor fitted with a front loader.-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 18:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Eli Mizrahi, the person who killed the perpetrator with two shots to the head has been named and called 'police officer' in this BBC article but this MSNBC article (which doesn't name Mizrahi) talks about an 'off-duty soldier'. Can someone help confirm which is actually the case? Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 19:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
This source, YnetNews, says that the perpetrator's name is "Hussam". Now, I don't know how you guys treat hebrew references, I actually don't even know how to make a reference, so I'll just change the name in the article, letting one of you do the reference. I have to get more seriously into Wikipedia.-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 21:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC) Let me add that all the English sources I've found call the perpetrator "Jabr", and all of the hebrew sources call him "Hussam". Am I missing something here?-- 79.181.138.231 ( talk) 21:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "Media reports of the attack frequently refer to the front-end loader, erroneously, as a "bulldozer"." ...so we do too?
Though I have to agree, the current title sounds better than "2008 Jerusalem front-end loader attack." Spencer T♦ C 22:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
For common man it's simply a bulldozer.This is not a eng. related article so there is no need of distinction. User talk:Yousaf465
You should change the title from: 2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack, to "2008 Jerusalem bulldozer massacre" - such a names is more appropriate, as with any case in which someone has gone on a fatal rampage e.g. Mercaz Harav Massacre, Columbine Massacre, etc. -- 124.190.244.83 ( talk) 06:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Please, look at this video:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7486366.stm
At the beginning of it, you can see that when the bulldozer starts again both the unnamed policeman (blue t-shirt) and the other policeman (with the yellow jacket) are already in and around the cabin. At the end of it you can see how the policemen in the yellow jacket is helped descending the cabin, wounded or simply shaken by the shots fired near his head. I am not sure he fired any shots.
in this other video, uncensored, you can see and hear the 4 shots fired by the guy in the blue t-shirt:
http://video.corriere.it/?vxSiteId=404a0ad6-6216-4e10-abfe-f4f6959487fd&vxChannel=Dal%20Mondo&vxClipId=2524_c17e2eb2-4835-11dd-b8f1-00144f02aabc&vxBitrate=300
I see no shots fired by the policemen in the yellow jacket.
Comments? -- Pmstar ( talk) 09:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Certain editors insist on having following sentence included into the article: Video footage of the incident shows no attempt at subduing the perpetrator instead of killing him. It's an obvious OR, as they're not able to give any references to such statement and prefer to use power in the argument. It is absolutely irrelevant comment and it's not clear why anyone would even attempted preserving life of an attacker. I suggest that this sentence be either removed or properly referenced. It would be great if one could participate in the discussion, rather than running for admins' help with ban requests. -- 143.239.215.33 ( talk) 09:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone verify that this is the exact same type of heavy machinery that is routinely used to destroy Palestinian houses? Amity150 ( talk) 07:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Palestinian houses?. -- SkyWalker ( talk) 08:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
No, I wish it was only Palestinian TERRORIST'S houses. Unfortunately, it is not. It happens without a trial, so no one to say if they are terrorists or not. Often it is just land that is wanted for Jewish settlement, or a family whose departure is desired. I have persoanlly known quite a few families who had no accusations at all levelled against them, but whose houses were demolished. Amity150 ( talk) 17:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Four people died altogether, that many people died in the city I live in from road fatalities today, I'm very surprised that this is considered newsworthy, and a terrorist attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.54.73 ( talk) 12:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh, big words! I wasn't having a go at you, just merely saying that the whole terrorist attack label is BS, what if the guy was just pissed off and went on a rampage? I'm sure more people died in America from malicious gunshot wounds in the time it took me to write this statement than people who died in this 'attack'. I am not pro muslim or pro jewish, just saying that this site shouldn't cater to the whole war on terror thing. 211.28.54.73 ( talk) 03:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The 'terrorist attack' label has been tried to pin on it very clearly for political purposes (but there's no reliable source for that, yet). As to newsworthy, you might want to ask that question to the various news agencies who have made it their headline news. We merely react to the immense media output regarding the incident, as we're just a tertiary source. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 14:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
So which is it? Jabr Duwait, Husam Duwait, Hussam Duwiyat or Hossam Dawyyat? All of those variants have been used by big media outlets. Similarly, his age has been quoted as 30, 31 and 32. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) ( talk) 14:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Since it clearly isn't a bulldozer, can we change the name?
DJ Clayworth (
talk) 15:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Done - wow I'm prompt.
ViperSnake151 15:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
If youre gonna say that its a Bulldozer.. then atleast get an admin to change hwat you put in the Main Page.. it says.. A Palestinian man drives a front-end loader into several vehicles in Jerusalem, killing three before being shot dead. .. change it.. so we're not confused. II MusLiM HyBRiD II ( talk) 16:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
As I wrote in the article and in my talkpage, the off-duty soldier asked and received a court injuction not to publicize his name. I guess you are complying with it, by writing a name which is not the correct name.... Happy138 ( talk) 15:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I rather doubt you'll find Haaretz publishing the name of the off-duty soldier who shot the guy. To quote from the JPost,
Until the court injunction is lifted, it would be foolhardy of Haaretz to print his name. I'm sure there are people at the paper who are dying to print it, such is the nature of the endemic IBMS (Israeli Big Mouth Syndrome), but the editors have not, as yet, given into the desire to do so. If you can support the above statement, to wit, that Haaretz has published the name "Moshe Klessner", with a citation from Ha'aretz, please do so. Tomer talk 13:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
So... Jerusalem front-end loader attack is merely a redirect to Jerusalem bulldozer attack, but Talk:Jerusalem front-end loader attack is the real talk page, while Talk:Jerusalem bulldozer attack is just a CfD notice. Huh?! 216.235.8.118 ( talk) 15:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The current picture that's being used in the infobox, the map of Jaffa Road, has no legend corresponding to the numbers, and means nothing at first glance (w/o seeing the enlarged version.) It would be best to replace it with an actual image of the wreckage, like we have in every other "attack" article, and move the map into the actual article, along with a legend. 216.235.8.118 ( talk) 18:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The confusion about the guys name is stunning. Almost every English source calls him "Jabr Duwait", while every Hebrew source call him "Hussam Duwait". A Haaretz article finally put things right- the perpetrator's name is "Hussam", while his uncle's name is "Jabr". Here is a link to the article (Hebrew)- [6]. The important sentence is the last one of the first paragraph- "As a replacement, the neighbors and relative have positioned chairs in the adjacent house, belonging to the perpetrator's uncle, Jabr.". (כתחליף הציבו השכנים והקרובים כיסאות בבית הצמוד, השייך לדודו של המחבל, ג'אבר.) I will edit the article, but have no idea about making references and the like (I am considering making a user and getting serious with Wikipedia), so please, add the reference to the article. Thanks.
Hi, I have found this article in Haaretz, with a quote of a relative of the perpetrator, talking about his (possible) drug use and the relation to the attack. [7]- Along with the drug related paragraph in the "Motive" section, this might add to it. -- 79.182.107.146 ( talk) 11:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I wish it was only Palestinian TERRORIST'S houses. Unfortunately, it is not. It happens without any trial, so no one is to say if they are terrorists or not. Sometimes just kids throwing stones, or often it is just land that is wanted for Jewish settlement, or of a family whose departure is desired. I personally knew quite a few families who had no accusations at all levelled against them, but whose houses were demolished.
I don't know much about heavy equipment, but it looks quite a bit like the same type of thing that was used Israeli Defense Forces in the death of Rachel Corrie. At any rate, the driver's inspiration in this bulldozer/ front-end loader attack seems clear enough. Perhaps Israel should stop bulldozing Palestinian houses -- as a security measure. Amity150 ( talk) 18:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to expand the discussion from this particular bulldozer incident to bulldozer incidents in Israel generally, but I was amazed and frustrated that no one else seems to have gotten the obvious point. I'll back off now as long as no one else edits what I have written, as happened in the first posting. Amity150 ( talk) 18:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I agree the "just snapping" theory probably explains all attacks on civilians that have occurred or will occur between 1948 and an indeterminate point in the future. It is a very mutilated society. Bulldozers are such a major cultural motif among Palestinians it would be difficult to believe that this man made NO association whatsoever. Amity150 ( talk) 23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, the attack and its copies are strikingly similar to the Israeli bulldozers attacking Palestinian homes. Yet, this lone instant gets its one section and is labeled a "terrorist attack"? Why not an article on the actual Israeli bulldozer attacks that are taking place far more often, even killing foreign aid workers. At the very least, we should point out the obvious motive for this attack. Coolgamer ( talk) 20:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I've slightly reorganised the Motive section, splitting off the paragraf regarding the planned house razing into a new section Aftermath. There is a one-sentence paragraf I wasn't sure where to put:
I've left it in the Motive section for now, but it would probably be more suited for a new section about the perpetrator. Any ideas/suggestions? Everyme 20:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Five times, the article uses the name "Moshe Klessner" as the name of the young off-duty soldier, citing two online news stories as the source for this name. The first (TotallyJewish.com, which can scarcely be described as a news outlet), does not cite a source for his name, and [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=68676 the second] (WorldNetDaily.com) can't even seem to figure out his age. The article further states "Haaretz quotes Klessner, saying...", yet a search of Haaretz.com turns up exactly 0 hits for "Klessner", and certainly the page cited for this claim never mentions his name. Verifiability from reliable sources is, at this point, looking pretty shaky. Beyond all that, however, the guy who shot the rampaging Arab driver, whatever his name might be, and how ever old he might be, has requested that his name not be released. Wikipedia may well be treading on dangerous ground (I don't know), by insisting that the guy's name is Moshe Klessner, but more importantly, in doing so, a fundamental principle of Wikipedia is being trampled here. The principle, so far as I know, doesn't have a name... but it undergirds policies outlined in WP:BLP and WP:HARRASS. Tomer talk 13:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Friends, the young soldier doesn't want his name published. He actually went to the court, and got a gag order against it. A few articles were published (online) before this, and so they did say his name, but later removed it.
Though we are not in any way bound by Israel's laws, especially not this kind of injunction, maybe we should just respect his wishes in the matter, and don't mention the name. okedem ( talk) 16:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Please, if anyone can, search the news engines on the net and create a new article (or add a section to this one) about the bulldozer attack that occured today. -- 79.180.152.187 ( talk) 11:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I added the tag because there are blatant biases in this article that are completely extraneous and unnecessary. For instance, the link in the see also section ("BMW terror attack") is labeled something other than what the actual article is labeled! The article is called "Jerusalem BMW attack. The infractions are numerous. This seems like one person or one group of people framing a historical event a certain way. It seems like a concerted effort to make this out to be a terrorist act but from my perspective it was just one crazed guy taking out his frustrations. Can we make this more neutral? Jiminezwaldorf ( talk) 10:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the constant use of the word 'Arab' in place of any other identifying noun more characteristic of hate speech? Someone will say it's just a word, but to me (a sociolinguist,admittedly) it seems to be, for one, treating the offender as some kind of representative of Middle Eastern peoples, and secondly, it is also seeming to imply that he committed the crime because he was 'an arab', not because he was a criminal. Come on, people. You wouldn't like it if you were on the receiving end. (Oh, before anybody calls antisemitism? I'm Jewish. I just despise racism.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.54.12 ( talk) 01:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Aaron north ( talk) 03:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Initial review finished, and I made a few minor grammar corrections. This is almost a good article, with just some minor coverage problems that should be easily corrected. I will place this on hold for up to 7 days to allow time to fix the issue. Aaron north ( talk) 03:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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For the sake of accuracy I do not believe this page should be titled as Bulldozer attack. Instead it should be titled as backhoe attack or more precisely front end loader. Quite simply the machine used was not a bulldozer and I am unsure why the page even mentions a bulldozer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:C2CC:FF00:4113:AE65:D181:943A ( talk) 08:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Samuel Abucaya. The bulldozer stopped after I shot the driver through the back window with one 9mm bullet in his upper back. No police woman nor anybody else shot him at that time! I was the Security Guard at the bank the terrorist passed by. After the bulldozer stopped, the terrorist knocked out with big amount of blood comng out from his mouth, people were able to jump in it, which was impossible while running at some 30 km/h speed. The terrorist (who took ecstasy drugs, confirmed later on) came back to himself and stepped on the gas and managed to kill another woman in her car while fighting with people inside the bulldozer until they killed him by shooting him in the head... I have many other details who were occulted by the medias and the Police, but who are not important at that point. Just one last thing. Too many facts show us that the terrorist did not act on his own and that the true objective of the attack was to reach the big overcrowded food market Mahane Yehuda, some 20 seconds away from where he was stopped!... Interview Al Jazeera available on You tube...
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