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I've redirected Peru meteor and Peru meteor illness to this article as likely search terms that people may look for, in regards to this major event. • Lawrence Cohen 16:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be moved to "2007 Peruvian meteorite illness," since it's a meteorite and not a meteor? Kuralyov 21:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
This isn't the first time I've seen reference in news sources to statements that almost seem to be saying that the object still has some sort of detectable "glow". If it's a meteorite, that is... unlikely. Meteorites wouldn't be glowing for nearly 96 hours. Can anyone find any news references around this? It seems a fairly substantial little point, as it keeps coming up, but if its not significant in the end, I don't want to have to leave the article sounding like Fox Mulder's laundry is down that hole. • Lawrence Cohen 01:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The mention of a "glowing meteor rock" has been removed from the "Crash event and illness" section. As far as I have been able to determine, there has only been a single report of a "glowing rock" in one news source (Living in Peru), and this is most likely a translation error. We need to remember that people in Carancas speak Spanish and that statements attributed to villagers in English language publications have been translated. The Spanish words for "shiny rock" (roca brillante) are identical to those for "shining rock" (roca brillante) and very similar to those for "glowing rock" (roca qui brilla intensamente). The lab analysis of rock fragments collected at the site found that they contain iron-nickel metal, which would look shiny at freshly fractured surfaces. It seems very likely that the locals said that they picked up "shiny rocks", not "glowing rocks." Piperh 14:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
The Pravda news is been given undue weight. As long as their statements are not picked up or debated by other sources, it should be removed. Consequently, I moved the part to the talk page so that it can be easily readded later on. Sijo Ripa 14:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Does this on the NY Times count as a reliable source? • Lawrence Cohen 15:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I followed the link to The Colour Out of Space but don't feel it is relevant or appropriate to this article, but leaving it there for now and see what the rest of you think. Looks like someone is pushing a book. EdX20 23:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The Lovecraft story is indeed about an object that falls to earth and causes a mysterious illness. However, the resemblance ends there. In the Lovecraft story, the illness is of an apparently supernatural form, as animals mysteriously sicken and the color leaches out of plants; the object is suggested to be an alien organism which later departs, although leaving behind a ghastly landscape. It presents Lovecraft's theme that an alien organism is likely to be truly alien -- unrecognizable and therefore surreal and creepy -- in nature, rather than being the typical "little green men" of pulp fiction. But it has little to do with real meteorites (or spy satellites) and the real consequences thereof. -- FOo 05:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas on moving the article to 2007 Peruvian meteorite impact? I think more info on impact will be avaliable in the future. -- Brand спойт 21:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Would 2007 Peruvian meteorite impact or 2007 Peruvian meteorite event be better? • Lawrence Cohen 23:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Could we get a more specific location there? Brutannica 21:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone tagged a popular H.P. Lovecraft story "The Color out of Space," to this article in its 'See Also' footer. I removed it due to viral advertising of non-related Wiki articles being somewhat an abusive use of the 'See Also' section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bog4rt ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This is similar to the Resident Evil 4 story. First something extra-terrestrial crashes in some hespanic town, next the villagers are zombies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.221.81 ( talk) 05:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Maybe the villagers will have super powers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.193.205 ( talk) 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Amongst suspected symptoms, however, are the impromptu growth of multiple eyes and/or ears in various places across the body, the inability to pass urine and the uncanny ability to sing in falsetto. Scientists, however, deny that these phenomena have anything to with either the meteorite or recent spates of cross-species breeding which have become commonplace in the area. This can't be true... can it? 199.126.186.147 02:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Only in the movie, in the book they came from Russia :-p Victory Is Mine 19:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The redirect page 2007 Peruvian meteorite illness has been categorized under Category:Ailments of unknown etiology. Is it ok to categorize redirects? Or should that category go to the article itself, that is to 2007 Peruvian meteorite event? -- Victor12 15:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I am worried because I am not seeing the pieces, the microscopic pictures, a press conference with chromatographic charts, etc. Where is the evidence to back the claims? This an extraordinary event (I don't know of a crater that big in modern times) and I think we must be careful about the speculations, even those speculations coming from the so-called reputable scientists at the site. Aldo L 00:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
"Most meteorites are actually cold when they land on Earth, since their outer layers burn up and break away from the objects before impacting."
-- Ah, hmm, perhaps. But what would this have to do with the impact's heat?
--
Jerome Potts 05:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
The impression I get is that no-one knows what actually happened and people are just putting together the best theory they can come up with based on fragmentary, unverified "evidence" and opinions from people who may or may not be qualified to give opinions and may well be operating with exactly the same lack of actual information. Toby Douglass 06:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I endorse... Aldo L 19:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to read about the coordinates three times? — Viriditas | Talk 08:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
From bad astronomy blog 87.194.198.122 18:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
When was the crater formed? Some news reports say on the evening of September 15, 2007, but many others say on noon? For example: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-meteor21sep21,0,1567474.story?coll=la-tot-world&track=ntothtmls ( 83.144.232.2 03:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC))
?-- Mostargue 08:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
references quotes 18 Sep 07 for first news reports. Peru news reports were on 17 Sep 07. English language website reported event 17 Sep 07 http://www.livinginperu.com/news/4719 Krbonezero 01:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
"crashed near the village of Carancas in the Desaguadero District of Chucuito Province in the Puno Region, Peru, near the Bolivian border and Lake Titicaca " is the most possibly ridiculously over-described location I've ever heard! If I said, "I grew up in Fresh Meadows, in the town of Flushing, in the Borough of Queens, in the City of New York, in the County of New York, in the State of New York, on Long Island in the USA someone would say, "Why didn't you just say you grew up in New York City?". How about "crashed near the village of Carancas in the Puno region near Lake Titicaca"? (After all the lake is the border, and visa versa). I didn't bother to read the rest of the article for fear it would all be so over-described that it'd take me a few hours to read... and I just don't have that sort of time! (So I wisely used my time to make this important comment!) 68.122.224.106 13:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I checked location given here in comments and on map in article. Comments location puts crater in terrain with ridges which does not match photos. Article map coordinates puts crater in the right kind of terrain but not far enough from Lake Titicaca. Living in Peru article for 21 Sep 07 listed in references states "six miles' from lake. Even with Km/miles possible error map location does not mach article. Living in Peru article could be wrong but I see no reference on this article map coordinates. Any help here. Any spanish readers able to find info in Peru government news service reports. Location comment could end "...near Lake Titicaca, coordinates ..., elevation ... m., ...ft." I realize number of time coordinates were in article were reduced but once in article and once on map I believe would be acceptable. Krbonezero 15:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a missed link in reference 24, the one leading to the bolivian chemical analysis report. I was unable to find it. Aldo L 14:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that one. Apparently, I am not seeing the same thing you are seeing. Could you confirm, please? Aldo L 23:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Lab report with details including much better lat/long and elevation data at http://www.ingemmet.gob.pe/paginas/pl01_quienes_somos.aspx?opcion=320 Other details on chemical analysis and future progress of investigation Krbonezero 17:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
"The position was determined by a single frequency hand held (Garmin?). The position was read in UTM coordinates by my Bolivian colleagues from SERGEOTECMIN in La Paz Zone 19 N 8157557, s 495292. I converted the position to geographic using one of the web conversion utilities. WGS 84 The GPS elevation was 3828 m asl."
I crosssed checked the conversion and compared it to the ingemet report published coordinates. For practical puposes they are identical. The ingamet map location of impact appears to be off target as well as some quotes on position by Ishitsuka. The Google Earth diagram supplied by Dr. Jackson is consistent with his coordinates. The Wikipedia article map inset coordinates match these values. Krbonezero 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The report advanced water analysis within a few more days. I am wondering if it is ready. 01:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Aldo L
INGEMMET's official report states that apparenty the number of ill people were around 30, not hundreds. Aldo L 03:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I confess the following information is new to me: David Darling's on-line Encyclopedia of Science states that when the Murchison meteorite impacted in Australia in 1969 "eyewitnesses arriving at the scene reported smelling something like methanol or pyridine, an early indication that the object might contain organic material". Also, from the Cold Bokkeveld meteorite that fell in South Africa in 1838 "Friedrich Wöhler extracted an oil ' with a strong bituminous odor.' " Aldo L 03:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I nominated this article, I think it can do it (with some help). • Lawrence Cohen 17:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I've merged the "Additional references" section into "External links" as it makes no sense to have a second references section for items not used as inline citations IMHO. Now "External links" looks somewhat bloated, so i think it needs some cropping. I'd like some opinions on which links are relevant and which ones are not. -- Victor12 17:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The Universidad Mayor de San Andres, Planitario Max Schreier has just published a series of documents on line but in Spanish at http://fcpn.umsa.bo/fcpn/app?service=external/Planetarium_AreaView&sp=241 Diagrams and images in jpeg documents and PowerPoint presentations. Those fluent in Spanish may be able to gleen some further information for the article. Krbonezero 01:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC) 05:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah... there is the X-ray analysis. Now I found it. Aldo L 22:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I have placed this article on hold for Good Article status. There are some things that need to be addressed before it can be promoted. It should take to long to do hopefully. I've listed it as per the Good Artice criteria.
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Anyway thats it. Let me know when the edits are done. They are all very minor except for the lead, so shouldn't take to long. If you have any questions feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thanks. - Shudde talk 08:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be moved. The title "2007 Peruvian meteorite event" reflects what was in the news in the months after the event occurred. However, the meteorite and crater have now been named: both are called Carancas (the meteorite has been officially named by the Meteoritical Society, and all the initial papers on the crater call it by this name as well). Unless there is serious objection, I suggest moving the page to "Carancas Impact Event". JeffG ( talk) 10:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The bottom section of this article points to arsenic as the sickening compound, but a sentence in the middle says "the illness reported was likely caused by the vaporization of troilite." I could find no reliable source to confirm this statement, or even to confirm that troilite poisoning is a thing. Which compound really sickened, arsenic or troilite? Mamyles ( talk) 18:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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I've redirected Peru meteor and Peru meteor illness to this article as likely search terms that people may look for, in regards to this major event. • Lawrence Cohen 16:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be moved to "2007 Peruvian meteorite illness," since it's a meteorite and not a meteor? Kuralyov 21:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
This isn't the first time I've seen reference in news sources to statements that almost seem to be saying that the object still has some sort of detectable "glow". If it's a meteorite, that is... unlikely. Meteorites wouldn't be glowing for nearly 96 hours. Can anyone find any news references around this? It seems a fairly substantial little point, as it keeps coming up, but if its not significant in the end, I don't want to have to leave the article sounding like Fox Mulder's laundry is down that hole. • Lawrence Cohen 01:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The mention of a "glowing meteor rock" has been removed from the "Crash event and illness" section. As far as I have been able to determine, there has only been a single report of a "glowing rock" in one news source (Living in Peru), and this is most likely a translation error. We need to remember that people in Carancas speak Spanish and that statements attributed to villagers in English language publications have been translated. The Spanish words for "shiny rock" (roca brillante) are identical to those for "shining rock" (roca brillante) and very similar to those for "glowing rock" (roca qui brilla intensamente). The lab analysis of rock fragments collected at the site found that they contain iron-nickel metal, which would look shiny at freshly fractured surfaces. It seems very likely that the locals said that they picked up "shiny rocks", not "glowing rocks." Piperh 14:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
The Pravda news is been given undue weight. As long as their statements are not picked up or debated by other sources, it should be removed. Consequently, I moved the part to the talk page so that it can be easily readded later on. Sijo Ripa 14:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Does this on the NY Times count as a reliable source? • Lawrence Cohen 15:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I followed the link to The Colour Out of Space but don't feel it is relevant or appropriate to this article, but leaving it there for now and see what the rest of you think. Looks like someone is pushing a book. EdX20 23:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The Lovecraft story is indeed about an object that falls to earth and causes a mysterious illness. However, the resemblance ends there. In the Lovecraft story, the illness is of an apparently supernatural form, as animals mysteriously sicken and the color leaches out of plants; the object is suggested to be an alien organism which later departs, although leaving behind a ghastly landscape. It presents Lovecraft's theme that an alien organism is likely to be truly alien -- unrecognizable and therefore surreal and creepy -- in nature, rather than being the typical "little green men" of pulp fiction. But it has little to do with real meteorites (or spy satellites) and the real consequences thereof. -- FOo 05:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Any ideas on moving the article to 2007 Peruvian meteorite impact? I think more info on impact will be avaliable in the future. -- Brand спойт 21:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Would 2007 Peruvian meteorite impact or 2007 Peruvian meteorite event be better? • Lawrence Cohen 23:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Could we get a more specific location there? Brutannica 21:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone tagged a popular H.P. Lovecraft story "The Color out of Space," to this article in its 'See Also' footer. I removed it due to viral advertising of non-related Wiki articles being somewhat an abusive use of the 'See Also' section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bog4rt ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This is similar to the Resident Evil 4 story. First something extra-terrestrial crashes in some hespanic town, next the villagers are zombies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.221.81 ( talk) 05:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Maybe the villagers will have super powers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.193.205 ( talk) 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Amongst suspected symptoms, however, are the impromptu growth of multiple eyes and/or ears in various places across the body, the inability to pass urine and the uncanny ability to sing in falsetto. Scientists, however, deny that these phenomena have anything to with either the meteorite or recent spates of cross-species breeding which have become commonplace in the area. This can't be true... can it? 199.126.186.147 02:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Only in the movie, in the book they came from Russia :-p Victory Is Mine 19:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The redirect page 2007 Peruvian meteorite illness has been categorized under Category:Ailments of unknown etiology. Is it ok to categorize redirects? Or should that category go to the article itself, that is to 2007 Peruvian meteorite event? -- Victor12 15:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I am worried because I am not seeing the pieces, the microscopic pictures, a press conference with chromatographic charts, etc. Where is the evidence to back the claims? This an extraordinary event (I don't know of a crater that big in modern times) and I think we must be careful about the speculations, even those speculations coming from the so-called reputable scientists at the site. Aldo L 00:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
"Most meteorites are actually cold when they land on Earth, since their outer layers burn up and break away from the objects before impacting."
-- Ah, hmm, perhaps. But what would this have to do with the impact's heat?
--
Jerome Potts 05:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
The impression I get is that no-one knows what actually happened and people are just putting together the best theory they can come up with based on fragmentary, unverified "evidence" and opinions from people who may or may not be qualified to give opinions and may well be operating with exactly the same lack of actual information. Toby Douglass 06:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I endorse... Aldo L 19:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to read about the coordinates three times? — Viriditas | Talk 08:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
From bad astronomy blog 87.194.198.122 18:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
When was the crater formed? Some news reports say on the evening of September 15, 2007, but many others say on noon? For example: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-meteor21sep21,0,1567474.story?coll=la-tot-world&track=ntothtmls ( 83.144.232.2 03:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC))
?-- Mostargue 08:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
references quotes 18 Sep 07 for first news reports. Peru news reports were on 17 Sep 07. English language website reported event 17 Sep 07 http://www.livinginperu.com/news/4719 Krbonezero 01:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
"crashed near the village of Carancas in the Desaguadero District of Chucuito Province in the Puno Region, Peru, near the Bolivian border and Lake Titicaca " is the most possibly ridiculously over-described location I've ever heard! If I said, "I grew up in Fresh Meadows, in the town of Flushing, in the Borough of Queens, in the City of New York, in the County of New York, in the State of New York, on Long Island in the USA someone would say, "Why didn't you just say you grew up in New York City?". How about "crashed near the village of Carancas in the Puno region near Lake Titicaca"? (After all the lake is the border, and visa versa). I didn't bother to read the rest of the article for fear it would all be so over-described that it'd take me a few hours to read... and I just don't have that sort of time! (So I wisely used my time to make this important comment!) 68.122.224.106 13:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I checked location given here in comments and on map in article. Comments location puts crater in terrain with ridges which does not match photos. Article map coordinates puts crater in the right kind of terrain but not far enough from Lake Titicaca. Living in Peru article for 21 Sep 07 listed in references states "six miles' from lake. Even with Km/miles possible error map location does not mach article. Living in Peru article could be wrong but I see no reference on this article map coordinates. Any help here. Any spanish readers able to find info in Peru government news service reports. Location comment could end "...near Lake Titicaca, coordinates ..., elevation ... m., ...ft." I realize number of time coordinates were in article were reduced but once in article and once on map I believe would be acceptable. Krbonezero 15:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a missed link in reference 24, the one leading to the bolivian chemical analysis report. I was unable to find it. Aldo L 14:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that one. Apparently, I am not seeing the same thing you are seeing. Could you confirm, please? Aldo L 23:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Lab report with details including much better lat/long and elevation data at http://www.ingemmet.gob.pe/paginas/pl01_quienes_somos.aspx?opcion=320 Other details on chemical analysis and future progress of investigation Krbonezero 17:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
"The position was determined by a single frequency hand held (Garmin?). The position was read in UTM coordinates by my Bolivian colleagues from SERGEOTECMIN in La Paz Zone 19 N 8157557, s 495292. I converted the position to geographic using one of the web conversion utilities. WGS 84 The GPS elevation was 3828 m asl."
I crosssed checked the conversion and compared it to the ingemet report published coordinates. For practical puposes they are identical. The ingamet map location of impact appears to be off target as well as some quotes on position by Ishitsuka. The Google Earth diagram supplied by Dr. Jackson is consistent with his coordinates. The Wikipedia article map inset coordinates match these values. Krbonezero 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The report advanced water analysis within a few more days. I am wondering if it is ready. 01:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Aldo L
INGEMMET's official report states that apparenty the number of ill people were around 30, not hundreds. Aldo L 03:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I confess the following information is new to me: David Darling's on-line Encyclopedia of Science states that when the Murchison meteorite impacted in Australia in 1969 "eyewitnesses arriving at the scene reported smelling something like methanol or pyridine, an early indication that the object might contain organic material". Also, from the Cold Bokkeveld meteorite that fell in South Africa in 1838 "Friedrich Wöhler extracted an oil ' with a strong bituminous odor.' " Aldo L 03:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I nominated this article, I think it can do it (with some help). • Lawrence Cohen 17:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I've merged the "Additional references" section into "External links" as it makes no sense to have a second references section for items not used as inline citations IMHO. Now "External links" looks somewhat bloated, so i think it needs some cropping. I'd like some opinions on which links are relevant and which ones are not. -- Victor12 17:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The Universidad Mayor de San Andres, Planitario Max Schreier has just published a series of documents on line but in Spanish at http://fcpn.umsa.bo/fcpn/app?service=external/Planetarium_AreaView&sp=241 Diagrams and images in jpeg documents and PowerPoint presentations. Those fluent in Spanish may be able to gleen some further information for the article. Krbonezero 01:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC) 05:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah... there is the X-ray analysis. Now I found it. Aldo L 22:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I have placed this article on hold for Good Article status. There are some things that need to be addressed before it can be promoted. It should take to long to do hopefully. I've listed it as per the Good Artice criteria.
1. It is well written.
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
3. It is broad in its coverage.
4. It is neutral;
5. It is stable;
6. It is illustrated, where possible and appropriate, by images.
Anyway thats it. Let me know when the edits are done. They are all very minor except for the lead, so shouldn't take to long. If you have any questions feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thanks. - Shudde talk 08:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be moved. The title "2007 Peruvian meteorite event" reflects what was in the news in the months after the event occurred. However, the meteorite and crater have now been named: both are called Carancas (the meteorite has been officially named by the Meteoritical Society, and all the initial papers on the crater call it by this name as well). Unless there is serious objection, I suggest moving the page to "Carancas Impact Event". JeffG ( talk) 10:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The bottom section of this article points to arsenic as the sickening compound, but a sentence in the middle says "the illness reported was likely caused by the vaporization of troilite." I could find no reliable source to confirm this statement, or even to confirm that troilite poisoning is a thing. Which compound really sickened, arsenic or troilite? Mamyles ( talk) 18:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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