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Even when I agree that the previous article was not easy to understand and think the new is way better, I think that the solution is not to completely replace it, but to improve it (as I tried to do). Doing the opposite may be interpreted by some (not by me, however) as bad manners, something like "what you wrote is a big piece of scum and mine is da best", especially if the version you replaced is not very old. This is not the case, however, because the article was pretty old for a current event and because the last editor (save me) was an anonymous user, but I advise you (by the way, I'm talking to Adam Carr) not to make such a sweeping change in relatively "young" articles or some people could (I know one or two which would) go postal. Habbit 14:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
This is an English-language encyclopaedia, and requires a certain minimum standard of English to contribute to it. The previous version of this article was in very bad English, and also lacked most of the information which English-speaking readers (ie, not Poles) would expect to find at this article. So I wrote an article which gave that information, in English. This is an open-access encyclopaedia and everyone gets their work rewritten or replaced all the time. They should not take it personally. Anyway I am used to Polish editors going postal at me - Poland seems to be a very postal country. Adam 15:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
It's D'Hondt now, it was changed, here's the reference (in Polish) http://www.sejm.gov.pl/prawo/nowaord/11_20.htm ( Art. 166. 1. 1) )
ie.: divided by: 1; 2; 3; 4; ...
there's a problem with this word it's taken to mean something else in the US political system then it really does, I have no idea how to deal with it in the article.
The results differed in diffrent polls published on friday, which was the last day before an embargo came into power.
one problem with the last paragraph, it's based on a single poll
here are some results from polls conducted by diffrent groups, copied from the Polish article:
Komitet | II dekada wrz PGB | 21-22 wrz OBOP | 14-18 wrz CBOS | 21 wrz PBS | 20-22 wrz Gfk Polonia | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ruch Patriotyczny | x | x | x | x | x | |
Polska Partia Pracy | x | x | 1% | x | x | |
Liga Polskich Rodzin | 12% | 8,3% | 9% | 8% | 8% | |
Partia Demokratyczna - demokraci.pl | x | 2,3% | 2% | 2% | 1,5% | |
Socjaldemokracja Polska | 5% | 1,7% | 2% | 3% | 1,5% | |
Prawo i Sprawiedliwość | 21% | 33% | 27% | 30% | 31,4% | |
Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej | 11% | 7% | 7% | 7,6% | 7,7% | |
Platforma Obywatelska | 28% | 28,7% | 33% | 32% | 29,5% | |
Polska Partia Narodowahttp://www.answers.com/grey | x | x | x | x | x | |
Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe | 5% | 3% | 5% | 4% | 4% | |
Centrum | x | x | x | x | x | |
Platforma Janusza Korwin-Mikke | x | 1,1% | 2% | x | 1,3% | |
Ogólnopolska Koalicja Obywatelska "OKO" | x | x | x | x | x | x |
Polska Konfederacja - Godność i Praca | x | x | x | x | x | |
Samoobrona Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej | 12% | 10,3% | 12% | 12% | 12,5% | |
Inicjatywa RP | x | x | x | x | x | |
Dom Ojczysty | x | x | 1% | x | x | |
Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski | x | x | x | x | x |
comitees with less then 2% votes are irrelevent, the main observations are:
two more things that should be mentioned in the article, it should be noted the elections are held earlier then scheduled and someone should write a section about the campaing.
I don't think an article about an election is a good place to put a range with [], [) or whatever you see fit. Why? Because this is not an article on mathematics. To a foreigner, [10,12]% and other would only look confusing. I would express a range with something like 10-12%. Note that, however, I leave that decision to you. Oh, and the next time you want to undo a change like that, please go to an earlier revision, get the correct source and _patch it onto the newest revision_. There were more changes to the article than just the ranges. Of course you are free to revert those changes too, but then state it in the change log, because it appeared to me that your only intention was to revert the range-decimal conversion, not the whole article. Habbit 19:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Any one knows which are the colors usually associated to these parties? I would like to make a graphic reflecting the exit polls. Habbit 19:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone have the preliminary results for the Senate? I know those can't be projected from the vote total because they are constituency and majority-based instead of nationwide proportial representation. Habbit 20:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Does this table show who has been elected to the Sejm? Does it show that the Prime Minister has lost his seat? Adam 02:34, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
It would appear to, but I think that was a foregone conclusion considering he is running (AFAIK) for the Democratic Party which will not make it into Sejm. Ak13 03:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, now I am looking here, which seems to suggest that only 8 million people were eligible to vote, and that only 3 million did vote. This can't be correct. Can someone explain this? Adam 05:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but there are 30 million voters and a 40% turnout, so there should be 12 million votes to count, not 3 million. Adam 06:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see now it is a running total. Thanks. Adam 07:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Here are some figures which can be turned into a nice table
NATIONAL SUMMARY OF VOTES AND SEATS (with 90% counted) ========================================================================================== Votes and seats are compared with those in the September 2001 elections ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Registered voters: 30,338,316 Votes counted: 10,919,626 36.0 Invalid votes: 405,170 03.7 Valid votes: 10,514,456 96.3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Party Votes % Change Seats Change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ League of Polish Families (LPR) 829,080 07.9 00.0 33 -05 German Minority (MN) 34,469 00.3 -00.1 2 Law and Justice (PiS) 2,821,579 26.8 +17.3 152 +108 Citizens' Platform (PO) 2,547,176 24.2 +11.5 133 +68 Polish People's Party (PSL) 731,260 06.9 -02.1 27 -15 Democratic Left Alliance (SLD) 1,196,859 11.4 -29.6 56 -160 Self-Defence of the Republic of Poland (SRP) 1,225,699 11.7 +01.5 57 +04 Others 1,128,334 10.7 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total 10,514,456 460 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam 00:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I've updated the article with final results, one suggestion regarding the graph: I don't think it's a good idea to combine PSL and the German Minority together as "other".
I have incorporated an updated version of the table above into the article, and deleted the other tables which are out of date. I have changed the whole article into the past tense and done a general copy-edit.
Just as a matter of interest, I see the name of the PSL translated both as "People's Party" and "Peasants' Party" Which is more correct? Are these the same word in Polish? Adam 00:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Further on the PSL: It's very striking when you look at this map showing the PSL's support, you can see the pre-1939 Polish-German border quite clearly. Obviously the PSL has a support base among rural voters in the "old Poland" which goes back to before the war. Adam 00:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Samoobrona did not contest Sosnowiec? Adam 13:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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Even when I agree that the previous article was not easy to understand and think the new is way better, I think that the solution is not to completely replace it, but to improve it (as I tried to do). Doing the opposite may be interpreted by some (not by me, however) as bad manners, something like "what you wrote is a big piece of scum and mine is da best", especially if the version you replaced is not very old. This is not the case, however, because the article was pretty old for a current event and because the last editor (save me) was an anonymous user, but I advise you (by the way, I'm talking to Adam Carr) not to make such a sweeping change in relatively "young" articles or some people could (I know one or two which would) go postal. Habbit 14:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
This is an English-language encyclopaedia, and requires a certain minimum standard of English to contribute to it. The previous version of this article was in very bad English, and also lacked most of the information which English-speaking readers (ie, not Poles) would expect to find at this article. So I wrote an article which gave that information, in English. This is an open-access encyclopaedia and everyone gets their work rewritten or replaced all the time. They should not take it personally. Anyway I am used to Polish editors going postal at me - Poland seems to be a very postal country. Adam 15:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
It's D'Hondt now, it was changed, here's the reference (in Polish) http://www.sejm.gov.pl/prawo/nowaord/11_20.htm ( Art. 166. 1. 1) )
ie.: divided by: 1; 2; 3; 4; ...
there's a problem with this word it's taken to mean something else in the US political system then it really does, I have no idea how to deal with it in the article.
The results differed in diffrent polls published on friday, which was the last day before an embargo came into power.
one problem with the last paragraph, it's based on a single poll
here are some results from polls conducted by diffrent groups, copied from the Polish article:
Komitet | II dekada wrz PGB | 21-22 wrz OBOP | 14-18 wrz CBOS | 21 wrz PBS | 20-22 wrz Gfk Polonia | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ruch Patriotyczny | x | x | x | x | x | |
Polska Partia Pracy | x | x | 1% | x | x | |
Liga Polskich Rodzin | 12% | 8,3% | 9% | 8% | 8% | |
Partia Demokratyczna - demokraci.pl | x | 2,3% | 2% | 2% | 1,5% | |
Socjaldemokracja Polska | 5% | 1,7% | 2% | 3% | 1,5% | |
Prawo i Sprawiedliwość | 21% | 33% | 27% | 30% | 31,4% | |
Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej | 11% | 7% | 7% | 7,6% | 7,7% | |
Platforma Obywatelska | 28% | 28,7% | 33% | 32% | 29,5% | |
Polska Partia Narodowahttp://www.answers.com/grey | x | x | x | x | x | |
Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe | 5% | 3% | 5% | 4% | 4% | |
Centrum | x | x | x | x | x | |
Platforma Janusza Korwin-Mikke | x | 1,1% | 2% | x | 1,3% | |
Ogólnopolska Koalicja Obywatelska "OKO" | x | x | x | x | x | x |
Polska Konfederacja - Godność i Praca | x | x | x | x | x | |
Samoobrona Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej | 12% | 10,3% | 12% | 12% | 12,5% | |
Inicjatywa RP | x | x | x | x | x | |
Dom Ojczysty | x | x | 1% | x | x | |
Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski | x | x | x | x | x |
comitees with less then 2% votes are irrelevent, the main observations are:
two more things that should be mentioned in the article, it should be noted the elections are held earlier then scheduled and someone should write a section about the campaing.
I don't think an article about an election is a good place to put a range with [], [) or whatever you see fit. Why? Because this is not an article on mathematics. To a foreigner, [10,12]% and other would only look confusing. I would express a range with something like 10-12%. Note that, however, I leave that decision to you. Oh, and the next time you want to undo a change like that, please go to an earlier revision, get the correct source and _patch it onto the newest revision_. There were more changes to the article than just the ranges. Of course you are free to revert those changes too, but then state it in the change log, because it appeared to me that your only intention was to revert the range-decimal conversion, not the whole article. Habbit 19:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Any one knows which are the colors usually associated to these parties? I would like to make a graphic reflecting the exit polls. Habbit 19:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone have the preliminary results for the Senate? I know those can't be projected from the vote total because they are constituency and majority-based instead of nationwide proportial representation. Habbit 20:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Does this table show who has been elected to the Sejm? Does it show that the Prime Minister has lost his seat? Adam 02:34, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
It would appear to, but I think that was a foregone conclusion considering he is running (AFAIK) for the Democratic Party which will not make it into Sejm. Ak13 03:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, now I am looking here, which seems to suggest that only 8 million people were eligible to vote, and that only 3 million did vote. This can't be correct. Can someone explain this? Adam 05:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but there are 30 million voters and a 40% turnout, so there should be 12 million votes to count, not 3 million. Adam 06:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see now it is a running total. Thanks. Adam 07:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Here are some figures which can be turned into a nice table
NATIONAL SUMMARY OF VOTES AND SEATS (with 90% counted) ========================================================================================== Votes and seats are compared with those in the September 2001 elections ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Registered voters: 30,338,316 Votes counted: 10,919,626 36.0 Invalid votes: 405,170 03.7 Valid votes: 10,514,456 96.3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Party Votes % Change Seats Change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ League of Polish Families (LPR) 829,080 07.9 00.0 33 -05 German Minority (MN) 34,469 00.3 -00.1 2 Law and Justice (PiS) 2,821,579 26.8 +17.3 152 +108 Citizens' Platform (PO) 2,547,176 24.2 +11.5 133 +68 Polish People's Party (PSL) 731,260 06.9 -02.1 27 -15 Democratic Left Alliance (SLD) 1,196,859 11.4 -29.6 56 -160 Self-Defence of the Republic of Poland (SRP) 1,225,699 11.7 +01.5 57 +04 Others 1,128,334 10.7 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total 10,514,456 460 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam 00:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I've updated the article with final results, one suggestion regarding the graph: I don't think it's a good idea to combine PSL and the German Minority together as "other".
I have incorporated an updated version of the table above into the article, and deleted the other tables which are out of date. I have changed the whole article into the past tense and done a general copy-edit.
Just as a matter of interest, I see the name of the PSL translated both as "People's Party" and "Peasants' Party" Which is more correct? Are these the same word in Polish? Adam 00:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Further on the PSL: It's very striking when you look at this map showing the PSL's support, you can see the pre-1939 Polish-German border quite clearly. Obviously the PSL has a support base among rural voters in the "old Poland" which goes back to before the war. Adam 00:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Samoobrona did not contest Sosnowiec? Adam 13:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)