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I haven't read through all that much, but in talks with a professor at Dalhousie University, it seems we are both under the impression that the number of Major Storms this year was 8. Now, I have done some research, and have found in the NHC's archives that they clearly state that Hurricane Beta is the 8th MAJOR STORM of the season.
The link can be found at
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/dis/al262005.discus.014.shtml?
and I would appreciate for someone to fix it. Sod Aries 21:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Beta's TCR: "A peak intensity of 100 kt was reached around 0600 UTC 30 October, which resulted in the seventh, and last, major hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic season." -- RattleMan 21:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it makes sense to say `repeatedly shattering previous records' as it does in the opening sentence. Surely you only shatter a single record once and you shatter numerous records, but you can't repeatedly shatter records in a single season? The only way I can see it making sense is if the record was broken by the Atlantic basin during the season, then it was broken again by another basin during the same season, and then broken again by the Atlantic basin.
Furthermore, the use of `previous' is superfluous as you can't shatter anything other than a previous record. It doesn't make sense to shatter future records. schroding79 ( talk) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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With the recent 1950 reanalysis lowering the number of majors from eight to six, does 2005 gain a new record for number of majors? -- 140.202.10.134 ( talk) 20:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Why was this season so destructive? Renacares ( talk) 09:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC) |
Vince is the first V named storm. It formed in cold waters near Africa. Acyclonxe ( talk) 02:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
There should probably be a reference to global warming regarding the 2005 hurricane season. 2600:1702:2340:9470:608D:7F16:6C6:C602 ( talk) 23:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
There are issues when sorting the Season Statistics table by the Damage column:
I'm not sure how you'd fix it — whether with a change to the sorting engine or addition of a hidden sort key —
but fixing this problem is essential to the utility of the sorting feature … and will have to be done site-wide.
-- ໃː^Þ) 47.13.201.60 ( talk) 04:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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Jason Rees ( talk · contribs) believes the subtropical storm (featured) article should be merged. I'm ambivalent, as I've been known for my mergist tendencies in the past, and I don't want to rock the boat too much. I said back in 2006 "I don't see the harm in keeping it", but please remember that we don't dictate Wikipedia policy on some articles' relationship to each other (yes WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). That said, the storm lasted about 36 hours, wasn't classified operationally, and doesn't have much outside of info from the NHC (aside from a neat article saying that Wilma should've been Alpha). Still, much of the records and naming would be more appropriate in the season article and not in the storm article. Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 14:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I added Epsilon's December record, more about Zeta's origins that Jason had started, and Zeta's impact on the boating race. As for Stan, it didn't last that long, so the two paragraphs adequately summarize the storm (which has its own article). As for Katrina, how much more do you include? What's appropriate for this section? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Yellow Evan: I do not believe that the season does an adequate job of telling the story of the season and nor am I worried if the article approaches 200 KB as it should be that way since we are basically dealing with a Pacific typhoon season. Jason Rees ( talk) 23:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
A few users have suggested merging the article for Tropical Storm Zeta, and this possible merger is affecting the featured article status for this article. Zeta is notable and unusual in existing from December into January, but that fact is already covered in the 2005 AHS article, as well as List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes. It's also the latest forming Atlantic storm. On the other hand, merging the article might create undue weight toward the storm, given how long the 2005 season article already is. So I just wanted to open the discussion, in tandem with the other discussion above. I personally oppose such a merger, for the record. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 21:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
If you really want to merge Zeta, then try using good article reassessment to see if it's got enough info. Chicdat ( talk) 10:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
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The article is extremely long. Anyone, feel free to help condense. -- WesternAtlanticCentral ( talk) 15:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Eta-2020 (just to future-proof the name) exceeds Zeta-2005, making 2020 the storm season with the most storms. Eta was a major hurricane (Cat 4) when it hit Nicaragua, for the major hurricane count. It's still going and projected to hit the US, so things may change further.
In any case, the Info Box needs correcting, and I don't know how. I suggest it be changed to, "Exceeded by 2020" or nothing since I presume every season doesn't have a list of seasons that exceed it.
I will leave edits to those (1) more capable, (2) more knowledgeable about the standards of these articles, and (3) those with a stake in the 2005 article. Be bold (but not rash).
Thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laguna CA ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I've just corrected the grammar in the opening lines of the article to better reflect this season's changed status as of this week; however it still feels "clunky" for want of a better word (I'm personally not a fan of having too many commas in one opening sentence, although others may not agree) - however, it's difficult to figure out how to re-word it without losing the gravity of the overall lead section. While 2020 is now the most active season on record, 2005's early activity and significantly higher number of urban landfalls by its major hurricanes while they still maintained major status does make it a stand-out season in its own right.
In my view rewriting the lead section to reflect 2020's new records shouldn't detract from the tone of the current article, which makes it clear that 2005 was particularly devastating in terms of its human impact simply because - thankfully unlike 2020 - more storms made landfall while they were still major hurricanes, while so far in 2020, several of our hurricanes have attained peak intensity further from land and levelled off before threatening peoples' lives. The number of fatalities for instance is thankfully lower so far in 2020 by a factor of ten. For that reason, I certainly wouldn't advocate removing the gravitas of this article by simply stating that it is "the second most active season in history" and not maintaining the current tone which articulates how devastating the 2005 was in its own right.
Any ideas about how we might do this? Does it even need to be done, or am I allowing my personal linguistic preferences to make the run-on sentences seem clunkier than they are to other readers?
78.16.162.16 ( talk) 13:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
On the first sentence, I modified and changed the text link for the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. I added "was at the time" between "The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season" and "the most active Atlantic hurricane season". I also replaced "for fifteen years" with "until its record was surpassed". Seventyfiveyears ( talk) 23:46, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season is the second most active Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history, surpassed only by the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. At the time, the season shattered numerous records ...
Alpha (Alfa) and Delta were used in 1972 for two subtropical storms, and Alfa was used the following year again. Would it be okay to add a section that Alpha and Delta were used in previous naming lists? CycloneEditor ( talk) 05:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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Fails on the grounds of notability due to lack of impact. I agree with what Jason Rees said back in 2020 regarding the cross-year thing being non-notable as well since it happens all the time elsewhere. Noah, AA Talk 14:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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This season is going to be 20 years old next year. I think it would be impressive if we could get the season to featured topic status, which would require six more FA's. Anticipating that some things might change, there should probably be a few more to guarantee it would stay a featured topic, since the Subtropical storm and Irene barely have enough content to even sustain an article, in my opinion. Therefore, I suggest getting Dennis, Emily, Katrina, Rita, Stan, Wilma, and Beta to featured status.
There is a proposal for how to get Dennis back to featured article status by merging the various sub-articles. See here.
Also, Beta's article was good enough that Cyclonebiskit ( talk · contribs) nominated it for FAC back in 2009, so I imagine that article is probably reasonably close to featured status. In addition, 12george1 ( talk · contribs) and I (along with other editors) have worked on Wilma's article over the years, and that one seems reasonably close to being featured.
Therefore, the biggest priorities seem to be (in order):
Is anyone interested in working on a potential featured topic for 2005 AHS for its 20 year anniversary? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 23:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Maria's talk page. The rationale is that Maria's met history can be covered between the section in the season article, as well as background to the Hatlestad Slide, which I also proposed moving to 2005 Norway floods. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 19:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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I haven't read through all that much, but in talks with a professor at Dalhousie University, it seems we are both under the impression that the number of Major Storms this year was 8. Now, I have done some research, and have found in the NHC's archives that they clearly state that Hurricane Beta is the 8th MAJOR STORM of the season.
The link can be found at
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/dis/al262005.discus.014.shtml?
and I would appreciate for someone to fix it. Sod Aries 21:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Beta's TCR: "A peak intensity of 100 kt was reached around 0600 UTC 30 October, which resulted in the seventh, and last, major hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic season." -- RattleMan 21:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it makes sense to say `repeatedly shattering previous records' as it does in the opening sentence. Surely you only shatter a single record once and you shatter numerous records, but you can't repeatedly shatter records in a single season? The only way I can see it making sense is if the record was broken by the Atlantic basin during the season, then it was broken again by another basin during the same season, and then broken again by the Atlantic basin.
Furthermore, the use of `previous' is superfluous as you can't shatter anything other than a previous record. It doesn't make sense to shatter future records. schroding79 ( talk) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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With the recent 1950 reanalysis lowering the number of majors from eight to six, does 2005 gain a new record for number of majors? -- 140.202.10.134 ( talk) 20:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Along with 1961 LlayReactorUltra ( talk) 07:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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Why was this season so destructive? Renacares ( talk) 09:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC) |
Vince is the first V named storm. It formed in cold waters near Africa. Acyclonxe ( talk) 02:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
There should probably be a reference to global warming regarding the 2005 hurricane season. 2600:1702:2340:9470:608D:7F16:6C6:C602 ( talk) 23:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
There are issues when sorting the Season Statistics table by the Damage column:
I'm not sure how you'd fix it — whether with a change to the sorting engine or addition of a hidden sort key —
but fixing this problem is essential to the utility of the sorting feature … and will have to be done site-wide.
-- ໃː^Þ) 47.13.201.60 ( talk) 04:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
In my opinion, the article no longer meets FA criteria. We need a review urgently, considering more than 13 years have elapsed since the FA upgrade. -- Java Hurricane 12:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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Jason Rees ( talk · contribs) believes the subtropical storm (featured) article should be merged. I'm ambivalent, as I've been known for my mergist tendencies in the past, and I don't want to rock the boat too much. I said back in 2006 "I don't see the harm in keeping it", but please remember that we don't dictate Wikipedia policy on some articles' relationship to each other (yes WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). That said, the storm lasted about 36 hours, wasn't classified operationally, and doesn't have much outside of info from the NHC (aside from a neat article saying that Wilma should've been Alpha). Still, much of the records and naming would be more appropriate in the season article and not in the storm article. Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 14:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I added Epsilon's December record, more about Zeta's origins that Jason had started, and Zeta's impact on the boating race. As for Stan, it didn't last that long, so the two paragraphs adequately summarize the storm (which has its own article). As for Katrina, how much more do you include? What's appropriate for this section? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Yellow Evan: I do not believe that the season does an adequate job of telling the story of the season and nor am I worried if the article approaches 200 KB as it should be that way since we are basically dealing with a Pacific typhoon season. Jason Rees ( talk) 23:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
A few users have suggested merging the article for Tropical Storm Zeta, and this possible merger is affecting the featured article status for this article. Zeta is notable and unusual in existing from December into January, but that fact is already covered in the 2005 AHS article, as well as List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes. It's also the latest forming Atlantic storm. On the other hand, merging the article might create undue weight toward the storm, given how long the 2005 season article already is. So I just wanted to open the discussion, in tandem with the other discussion above. I personally oppose such a merger, for the record. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 21:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
If you really want to merge Zeta, then try using good article reassessment to see if it's got enough info. Chicdat ( talk) 10:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 2005 atlantic hurricane seasno. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 2#2005 atlantic hurricane seasno until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC 678 01:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
The article is extremely long. Anyone, feel free to help condense. -- WesternAtlanticCentral ( talk) 15:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Eta-2020 (just to future-proof the name) exceeds Zeta-2005, making 2020 the storm season with the most storms. Eta was a major hurricane (Cat 4) when it hit Nicaragua, for the major hurricane count. It's still going and projected to hit the US, so things may change further.
In any case, the Info Box needs correcting, and I don't know how. I suggest it be changed to, "Exceeded by 2020" or nothing since I presume every season doesn't have a list of seasons that exceed it.
I will leave edits to those (1) more capable, (2) more knowledgeable about the standards of these articles, and (3) those with a stake in the 2005 article. Be bold (but not rash).
Thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laguna CA ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I've just corrected the grammar in the opening lines of the article to better reflect this season's changed status as of this week; however it still feels "clunky" for want of a better word (I'm personally not a fan of having too many commas in one opening sentence, although others may not agree) - however, it's difficult to figure out how to re-word it without losing the gravity of the overall lead section. While 2020 is now the most active season on record, 2005's early activity and significantly higher number of urban landfalls by its major hurricanes while they still maintained major status does make it a stand-out season in its own right.
In my view rewriting the lead section to reflect 2020's new records shouldn't detract from the tone of the current article, which makes it clear that 2005 was particularly devastating in terms of its human impact simply because - thankfully unlike 2020 - more storms made landfall while they were still major hurricanes, while so far in 2020, several of our hurricanes have attained peak intensity further from land and levelled off before threatening peoples' lives. The number of fatalities for instance is thankfully lower so far in 2020 by a factor of ten. For that reason, I certainly wouldn't advocate removing the gravitas of this article by simply stating that it is "the second most active season in history" and not maintaining the current tone which articulates how devastating the 2005 was in its own right.
Any ideas about how we might do this? Does it even need to be done, or am I allowing my personal linguistic preferences to make the run-on sentences seem clunkier than they are to other readers?
78.16.162.16 ( talk) 13:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
On the first sentence, I modified and changed the text link for the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. I added "was at the time" between "The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season" and "the most active Atlantic hurricane season". I also replaced "for fifteen years" with "until its record was surpassed". Seventyfiveyears ( talk) 23:46, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season is the second most active Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history, surpassed only by the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. At the time, the season shattered numerous records ...
Alpha (Alfa) and Delta were used in 1972 for two subtropical storms, and Alfa was used the following year again. Would it be okay to add a section that Alpha and Delta were used in previous naming lists? CycloneEditor ( talk) 05:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Fails on the grounds of notability due to lack of impact. I agree with what Jason Rees said back in 2020 regarding the cross-year thing being non-notable as well since it happens all the time elsewhere. Noah, AA Talk 14:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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This season is going to be 20 years old next year. I think it would be impressive if we could get the season to featured topic status, which would require six more FA's. Anticipating that some things might change, there should probably be a few more to guarantee it would stay a featured topic, since the Subtropical storm and Irene barely have enough content to even sustain an article, in my opinion. Therefore, I suggest getting Dennis, Emily, Katrina, Rita, Stan, Wilma, and Beta to featured status.
There is a proposal for how to get Dennis back to featured article status by merging the various sub-articles. See here.
Also, Beta's article was good enough that Cyclonebiskit ( talk · contribs) nominated it for FAC back in 2009, so I imagine that article is probably reasonably close to featured status. In addition, 12george1 ( talk · contribs) and I (along with other editors) have worked on Wilma's article over the years, and that one seems reasonably close to being featured.
Therefore, the biggest priorities seem to be (in order):
Is anyone interested in working on a potential featured topic for 2005 AHS for its 20 year anniversary? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 23:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Maria's talk page. The rationale is that Maria's met history can be covered between the section in the season article, as well as background to the Hatlestad Slide, which I also proposed moving to 2005 Norway floods. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 19:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)