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Hello everyone, I'm just letting you all know that I'm starting to fill in missing race reports in articles starting from all the Grands Prix I've watched in real-life - that's every race since this one. So, I'll start with this one. Lra drama 09:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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SSSB, with all due respect, how can you keep the rest of the hidden note but not Leclerc? 1 It is cited to StatsF1, so we either remove the whole note, or we add Leclerc. Wanna know what is a real trivia? That Leclerc is the first driver since like Fittipaldi in the 1970s to achieve a fastest lap in the first three races of the season? The fact that Leclerc had a grand slam and dominant win at the same Grand Prix 18 years later, which was Ferrari's last grand slam at the Grand Prix until 2022 (you did not have any problem with a hidden note detailing the trivia that Ferrari had a team grand slam at Bharain, and even thanked me for it) is made due by the fact it is sourced to a RaceFans article 2 (it is irrelevant that it is just mentioned, since we are talking about a footnote here, e.g. giving the same weight the source gave to it, because the point of the article is Schumacher 2004–Leclerc 2022 comparison at the same Grand Prix, i.e. dominating by achieving a grand slam) and not just to StatsF1. If this is fine, I fail to see how this is somehow trivia given Schumacher–Leclerc dominance at the circuit 18 years apart. Please, cite an actual policy and guideline that is violated by mention this in a footnote? WP:WEIGHT? We are not giving any more weight than the source gives it. Davide King ( talk) 12:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
How do we determine whether something is trivia or not? If a statistic gets published by a reliable source, it is a start. The test should be that if something can only be sourced to StatsF1, it is likely trivia. This does not appear to be the case here, irregardless of you personally not seeing the relevance — a reliable source clearly did and wrote an article about the dominance comparison between the two, which should be enough for a footnote. Davide King ( talk) 12:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
If this is fine- that is less specific. The last time a team scored a GS is not the same as the last time a team scored a GS at a specific venue. That edit was also me making a correction.
Michael Schumacher won the race for Ferrari from pole position in dominant fashion, with the footnote explaining why (e.g. achieving the grand slam), and adding for good measure the 2004–2022 comparison, which also happen to be the first time any team achieved a grand slam at the same Grand Prix since then. I do not think I am going to re-add it in the short term because it is not a big deal to me, but if you are fine with a footnote, I would be happy if you re-add it as a compromise.
I removed the comment about tyre temperatures because there is no evidence that they tyre temperature rules are to blame. The tyres may still have been too cold last year. At best, this was Kew's theory (I admit, I missed it was in the source, I thought it was WP:OR on your part, though I didn't know it was you at the time). Re-add it if you want, but it should be made clear that this is a hypothesis.
I removed the DRS sentence because it read clumsy, and we had already made clear all drivers were on dry tyres, and the rewording meant that we clarified that it was activited on lap 35 (and therefore not active before) reading it again, it may benefit from an explanation about DRS rules? SSSB ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
"... the first since the 2008 French Grand Prix (both achieved across two drivers)", which is fine by me, but unlike this it would be just a footnote.
Michael Schumacher had his fourth career grand slam and his second for Ferrari,[3] having took pole position, the fastest lap, and won the race by leading every lap. Charles Leclerc's 2022 grand slam performance at the same Grand Prix, which was the first time since 2004 a driver achieved a grand slam at the Australian Grand Prix, was compared to that of Schuamcher in 2004.[4]
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Hello everyone, I'm just letting you all know that I'm starting to fill in missing race reports in articles starting from all the Grands Prix I've watched in real-life - that's every race since this one. So, I'll start with this one. Lra drama 09:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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SSSB, with all due respect, how can you keep the rest of the hidden note but not Leclerc? 1 It is cited to StatsF1, so we either remove the whole note, or we add Leclerc. Wanna know what is a real trivia? That Leclerc is the first driver since like Fittipaldi in the 1970s to achieve a fastest lap in the first three races of the season? The fact that Leclerc had a grand slam and dominant win at the same Grand Prix 18 years later, which was Ferrari's last grand slam at the Grand Prix until 2022 (you did not have any problem with a hidden note detailing the trivia that Ferrari had a team grand slam at Bharain, and even thanked me for it) is made due by the fact it is sourced to a RaceFans article 2 (it is irrelevant that it is just mentioned, since we are talking about a footnote here, e.g. giving the same weight the source gave to it, because the point of the article is Schumacher 2004–Leclerc 2022 comparison at the same Grand Prix, i.e. dominating by achieving a grand slam) and not just to StatsF1. If this is fine, I fail to see how this is somehow trivia given Schumacher–Leclerc dominance at the circuit 18 years apart. Please, cite an actual policy and guideline that is violated by mention this in a footnote? WP:WEIGHT? We are not giving any more weight than the source gives it. Davide King ( talk) 12:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
How do we determine whether something is trivia or not? If a statistic gets published by a reliable source, it is a start. The test should be that if something can only be sourced to StatsF1, it is likely trivia. This does not appear to be the case here, irregardless of you personally not seeing the relevance — a reliable source clearly did and wrote an article about the dominance comparison between the two, which should be enough for a footnote. Davide King ( talk) 12:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
If this is fine- that is less specific. The last time a team scored a GS is not the same as the last time a team scored a GS at a specific venue. That edit was also me making a correction.
Michael Schumacher won the race for Ferrari from pole position in dominant fashion, with the footnote explaining why (e.g. achieving the grand slam), and adding for good measure the 2004–2022 comparison, which also happen to be the first time any team achieved a grand slam at the same Grand Prix since then. I do not think I am going to re-add it in the short term because it is not a big deal to me, but if you are fine with a footnote, I would be happy if you re-add it as a compromise.
I removed the comment about tyre temperatures because there is no evidence that they tyre temperature rules are to blame. The tyres may still have been too cold last year. At best, this was Kew's theory (I admit, I missed it was in the source, I thought it was WP:OR on your part, though I didn't know it was you at the time). Re-add it if you want, but it should be made clear that this is a hypothesis.
I removed the DRS sentence because it read clumsy, and we had already made clear all drivers were on dry tyres, and the rewording meant that we clarified that it was activited on lap 35 (and therefore not active before) reading it again, it may benefit from an explanation about DRS rules? SSSB ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
"... the first since the 2008 French Grand Prix (both achieved across two drivers)", which is fine by me, but unlike this it would be just a footnote.
Michael Schumacher had his fourth career grand slam and his second for Ferrari,[3] having took pole position, the fastest lap, and won the race by leading every lap. Charles Leclerc's 2022 grand slam performance at the same Grand Prix, which was the first time since 2004 a driver achieved a grand slam at the Australian Grand Prix, was compared to that of Schuamcher in 2004.[4]