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I've removed the "premonition" paragraph from the article, as it is an objective air-crash report and "premonitions" of any kind have no place in such writings. But I'll briefly discuss it here. The paragraph went like this: Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me". [1] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen. [2]
"It is posited" is probably the biggest problem with it, even if one believes in such thing as premonitions. Posited by who? The "citation [14]" doesn't matter, because there are no dependable authorities on premonitions. If someone came out immediately after that interview was published and said "yes, this is a premonition of an air disaster in the Bahamas" - then it would have held some weight (but still not enough for an air-crash report). Not in the retrospect. Everybody is clever in the retrospect. So it could have been posited by anybody and that is akin to "personal research", something that is regarded as spam on these pages.
Next, the "premonition" itself. It is so vague it could mean a lot of things. If it went like "I was arguing with the pilot, then I was flying, then I was crashing down, then flying again..." - that would be a little closer but not close enough. Everyone has vague bad dreams, especially people under stress, and one might argue that an emerging pop-star would be under a lot of stress in her formative years. That dream could also mean working hard to gaining worldwide recognition, or having a stalker harassing her and then leaving her alone. Really, lots of things can be tied to that dream of hers.
I have a "premonition" of my own: someone is bound to put that "dream sequence" back into the article, because premonitions sound cool to some people. But please, think twice. That statement of hers is no premonition, prediction or foreshadowing of any kind. It was just a vague bad dream. Zm1974 ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm surprised there's no mention of the movie Queen of the Damned. It was released six months after she died, and as I recall, there was quite a bit of controversy on whether it should have have been released, due in part to the title. - Boneyard90 ( talk) 02:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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at one point the article states Aaliyah had finished production, and left early. later the article states production had completed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C0:4980:1E85:31FA:F5CE:F683:F830 ( talk) 06:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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Death of Aaliyah → 2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash - The "Death of Aaliyah" may not be appropriate because it ignores the other victims. I suggest moving to " 2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash" because that title is consistent with the vast majority of these types of articles. The recent rename of 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash reinforces this idea. - Samf4u ( talk) 15:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
<year> <airline> <aircraft> <event>
is long-winded and far from ideal in this case, since 'Blackhawk International Airways' will be meaningless to just about every reader (and the
Blackhawk International Airways article seems to exist only to support the Death of Aaliyah one). The original proposal,
2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash is not really per guidelines ('crash' as event is too generic; it should at least mention what crashed) and the 'Airport' in it is redundant. In short, I would support
2001 Marsh Harbour Cessna 402 crash (note the omission of the 'B' variant, wholly redundant in the title). --
Deeday-UK (
talk) 13:24, 6 February 2020 (UTC)"In May 2002, Aaliyah's parents filed a lawsuit, ... " There's no clear link that Diane and Michael Haughton were Aaliyah's parents; it's only when one reads the page on Aaliyah that one discovers her full name was Aaliyah Dana Haughton. (That said, I may have missed a hint elsewhere.) Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 21:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 16:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I've removed the "premonition" paragraph from the article, as it is an objective air-crash report and "premonitions" of any kind have no place in such writings. But I'll briefly discuss it here. The paragraph went like this: Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me". [1] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen. [2]
"It is posited" is probably the biggest problem with it, even if one believes in such thing as premonitions. Posited by who? The "citation [14]" doesn't matter, because there are no dependable authorities on premonitions. If someone came out immediately after that interview was published and said "yes, this is a premonition of an air disaster in the Bahamas" - then it would have held some weight (but still not enough for an air-crash report). Not in the retrospect. Everybody is clever in the retrospect. So it could have been posited by anybody and that is akin to "personal research", something that is regarded as spam on these pages.
Next, the "premonition" itself. It is so vague it could mean a lot of things. If it went like "I was arguing with the pilot, then I was flying, then I was crashing down, then flying again..." - that would be a little closer but not close enough. Everyone has vague bad dreams, especially people under stress, and one might argue that an emerging pop-star would be under a lot of stress in her formative years. That dream could also mean working hard to gaining worldwide recognition, or having a stalker harassing her and then leaving her alone. Really, lots of things can be tied to that dream of hers.
I have a "premonition" of my own: someone is bound to put that "dream sequence" back into the article, because premonitions sound cool to some people. But please, think twice. That statement of hers is no premonition, prediction or foreshadowing of any kind. It was just a vague bad dream. Zm1974 ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm surprised there's no mention of the movie Queen of the Damned. It was released six months after she died, and as I recall, there was quite a bit of controversy on whether it should have have been released, due in part to the title. - Boneyard90 ( talk) 02:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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at one point the article states Aaliyah had finished production, and left early. later the article states production had completed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C0:4980:1E85:31FA:F5CE:F683:F830 ( talk) 06:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Death of Aaliyah be
renamed and moved to
2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
Death of Aaliyah → 2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash - The "Death of Aaliyah" may not be appropriate because it ignores the other victims. I suggest moving to " 2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash" because that title is consistent with the vast majority of these types of articles. The recent rename of 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash reinforces this idea. - Samf4u ( talk) 15:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
<year> <airline> <aircraft> <event>
is long-winded and far from ideal in this case, since 'Blackhawk International Airways' will be meaningless to just about every reader (and the
Blackhawk International Airways article seems to exist only to support the Death of Aaliyah one). The original proposal,
2001 Marsh Harbour Airport crash is not really per guidelines ('crash' as event is too generic; it should at least mention what crashed) and the 'Airport' in it is redundant. In short, I would support
2001 Marsh Harbour Cessna 402 crash (note the omission of the 'B' variant, wholly redundant in the title). --
Deeday-UK (
talk) 13:24, 6 February 2020 (UTC)"In May 2002, Aaliyah's parents filed a lawsuit, ... " There's no clear link that Diane and Michael Haughton were Aaliyah's parents; it's only when one reads the page on Aaliyah that one discovers her full name was Aaliyah Dana Haughton. (That said, I may have missed a hint elsewhere.) Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 21:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)