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I wrote this article on my MS Word browser. When I logged on Wikipedia earlier today, the server was down. Eager to post the new article, I completed it on a Wiki clone throughout the day [1]. Now that Wiki's online, there's still more work to be done; I'll be completing the notes, linking this to other articles, and adding some pics over the next couple of days. 172 05:32, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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Self-nomination. Wikipeida's articles on post-Soviet Russia are dreadfully underdeveloped. Perhaps this is the one article in this area that's complete enough to go through the featuring process. I hope that a feature will act as an impetus encouraging some much-needed substantial work on recent Russian history and politics. 172 09:22, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Oppose. NPOV. Please be careful with using phrases such as "this brutal episode" over and over again. Let the readers form their own impression. While I do not necessarily disagree with any of the views expressed, I believe that the text as it stands is far too tendentious to be featured. Please put in greater analysis of Yeltsin's motivation, instead of setting him up as the straw man for your own theses. It is not for Wikipedia to state that Russia is or is not a democracy, whatever that overflogged word may mean. The trick of hiding potentially difficult points in the footnotes is old and, excuse me, cheap. WITHDRAWN -- see below.
68.148.211.161 17:25, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC), i.e.
A. Shetsen 17:38, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
And please, please, don't make villains of anyone.
I should say that the text is quite as exciting as not-bad telejournalism -- that's a plus -- but I still have doubts on its impartiality. A. Shetsen 16:40, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Protected, presumably on m:the wrong version as per policy. Image sources and status shouldn't be that hard to sort out. Please sort it out before either of you unprotect - David Gerard 00:35, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There is no edit war. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blankfaze#172 . I was just the last one to find out what's going on, that's all. 172 00:48, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"the country's highest legislative body, form which the Supreme Soviet members were drawn"?
The chairman of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions, formerly dominated by trade unions, was also sacked, and the president took the opportunity to deprive trade unions of many of their administrative functions so as to whittle away their direct working ties to their rank-and-file membership.
a bit repetitive maybe? Thepedestrian 19:14, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't catch this one as it was going through FAC... a number of sentences needed rework. And some npov tweaks -- a handful of epithets removed where inappropriate, certain duplicated phrases removed. +sj + 04:01, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
A question to 172:
I tried to add the following sentence: "It was widely reported that those fighters came from paramilitary units of Neo-Nazi Russian National Unity party"
near the end of section "Mass protests in Moscow"
The addition was prompty removed.. Why?
Did you find it irrelevant? Incorrect? POVish?
The polling data is from pollster's website [3], except for 1993 poll about responsible parties which is from [4]. Andris 12:43, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, VTsIOM is often used and comes up twice as much on google (5,000 hits vs. 2,300 for VCIOM). Their own site spells them as VCIOM, though. I have no preference which of those should be in the text. Minor note: 2003 poll was actually conducted by VCIOM-A which broke away from VCIOM a few months earlier after government-forced management change at VCIOM.
I agree this needs context. I have some of it but there are some Russian language sources that I would still like to look up before writing. Andris 07:34, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
I wasn't ready to start a VTsIOM article, but I started a sandbox at User:172/VTsIOM sandbox. I don't know Russian, so help will be much appreciated. 172 10:03, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Some sources for myself/other Russian speakers:
Andris 14:51, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
It was a one party vote, these folks were no way in hell "elected". Id like to see this changed but Im not going to do anything if somebody has a good reason for it. Sexington7-Aug 19, 2006.
"The demonstrators were protesting against the new and terrible living conditions under Yeltsin." To the best of my knowledge, the demonstrators in question were protesting against the dissolution of the parliament and a broadening of presidential power. If thete are no citations no prove this, then it is an opinion, and certainly not a neutral one. If I do not get a convincing answer to this, I am going to edit the section accordingly.
The article takes a decided pro-Yeltsin view, doesn't adequately present opposing points of view, and gives little in the way of other groups positions except Yeltsin and the Parliment.
How did this article get FA status, let alone time on a main page, when it has so few sources? -- DMCer 00:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Article has major neutrality issues. A lot of unattributed commentary on the events, lack of citations, etc. Maybe would be better to start from scratch or to revert to an older version that was better. But we all know that it's not how Wikipedia works.-- Sir Anon ( talk) 12:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed it from the article, makes it sound like it was a civil war or something, when in reality it affected one building in Moscow...-- Kuban Cossack ( По-балакаем?) 16:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article looks dreadful. I have rewritten the beginning to get rid of all emotional nonsense "first blood shed", "red-brown coalition", etc. and excessive capitalisation. Please, keep only the most necessary information in the beginning. All details should go the main body of the article. DR2006kl ( talk) 13:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The only reference [5] sates the dates as 21 сентября - 4 октября 1993 г. but the page used to state 5/10/1993 as the end. Why? The white house was stormed on 4/10. Were there any significant developments on 5/10? DR2006kl ( talk) 13:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The section starts with "As part of Russian economic reform...", followed by anti-Eltsin's rant. 92 was a tough year, indeed, but 93 was much better than 92 or 91 or 90 or 89. It sounds like blaming a surgeon for the cancer. The reference to economic reform goes to economy of Russia for no particular reason. If other people around think that the economy is crucial to the crisis, I suggest someone should write a proper balanced section on it. Otherwise, we should just say that there was a significant political opposition to the economic policies without all this nonsense such as "prices skyrocketed" and "protracted recession" DR2006kl ( talk) 12:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently came across such a thing: http://www.panorama.ru/works/vybory/party/afgan.html.
В сентябре 1993 руководство СВА/НПП поддержало президентский указ N 1400 о роспуске парламента, из "афганцев" - сотрудников охранных предприятий были сформированы дружины, участвовавшие в блокировании Белого Дома.
This might merit mentioning in the article, but as of now, I haven't found any further information on this topic (and haven't noticed any acts of certain NPP militants in videos of the events). Note also that this 'People's Patriotic Party' is not identical with this. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog ( woof!) 08:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I've started an article here. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog ( woof!) 18:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just read the russian pages [7] and [8] They are of considerably higher quality, with the good amount of citations. Both of them are rather NPOV in my view, although one has a POV tag. I propose to get rid of most of what is written here and translate the russian pages. Any thoughts? DR2006kl ( talk) 14:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Adamovich is someone who wrote one excellent screenplay, Okudzhava is a popular song-writer, Gorbachev is a discredited (by the time of the events) politician. Their opinion are as relevant as opinions of Michel Houellebecq, Bob Geldof and Margaret Thatcher on the war in Iraq. Where is the straw-man argument? DR2006kl ( talk) 11:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Pathetic... "NPOV"? I guess the Holocaust article is also "NPOV". Yeltsin's troops massacred almost 2,000 unarmed protesters in cold blood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.29.158 ( talk) 14:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Miacek, I suggest you write your new edit of the introduction here. Please, do it without laying a blame on any side. If I find it NPOV, we can ask to unlock the page. BTW, I have checked older version 1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis&oldid=4866799le from the day the article was featured. It is very pro-parliament and contains the surviving phrase "The ten-day conflict had seen the most deadly street fighting in Moscow since the Bolshevik Revolution in October 1917". As far as my recollection goes, 1917 revolution was relatively quiet in Moscow as oppose to 1905 revolution. I suggest changing it to 1905 revolution. DR2006kl ( talk) 14:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the NPOV tag as the dispute has grown stagnant, and the section in question appears to be neutral. If the dispute arises again, contact me before re-adding the NPOV tag. Drew Smith 06:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
If possibly, article need more images of this event, not only White House photo, and factions of CPD. Seryo93 ( talk) 12:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Finally found colored picture. Now, it's more impressing. Seryo93 ( talk) 16:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The quality of this article has deteriorated a bit over the years. I have restored an earlier draft of the article, while keeping some valuable more recent additions. If any salvageable content has been lost, please let me know so that I may assist in restoring it. Thanks in advance. 172 | Talk 07:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
etc.
All in all, your 'clean-up' effectually threw into dustbin other people's work on the article. Thus, please do not revert anymore, but try to find new sources; if you think that something ought to be removed, pls discuss here first. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I did removed some references material that was irrelevant or from inappropriate sources, e.g., www.marxist.com. I am working in good faith to improve the quality of this article. I did not blindly revert any new material.
By the way, yes, the quality did deteriorate from "the point when there were basically no sources at all." The quality of the writing, not all of which was mine, was superior and the foucs tighter. References were not required when this article was orginally wrtitten. However, there are sources for all the material, which I can provide on request ... By the way, I happen to be one of the first users to start inserting references in articles. This practice was not universally accepted at the time, given that conventional encyclopedias normally do not include footnotes and endnotes. 172 | Talk 17:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Miacek,
I have restored the infobox pending further discussion. Please do not revert my recent changes. I did not revert back to an earlier version, but rather drafted a new one. Instead, I created a new draft merging the better aspects of both recent edits and an order version of the article. [11] I wish to work with you in good faith to improve the quality of the writing and tighten the focus of the article, while salvaging any past useful contribution. 172 | Talk 19:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Miacek, I think I've restored almost all of the old content. See the additions here. Much of the content had to be edited for style. It was apparent that non-native English speakers drafted much of the writing. Please do not take offense to my comment. Your English is much better than my Russian, which I have almost entirely forgotten after taking classes nearly 40 years ago. 172 | Talk 20:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the recent removal of three flags from the infobox: I think having the flags there is justified (with the exception of the Andreyevskiy flag perhaps, this was less frequently used).
It is common to use in our infoboxes the unofficial flags of the opposing sides in case of a civil war. Both the Red Flag and the so-called Romanov Flag were widely used by the rioters, whereas the Russian tricolor remained hoisted on the Supreme Soviet building but was not used by their supporters. Additionally, we should list (next to the flags) some of the organizations that actively participated in the protests. At least I would add National Salvation Front. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 13:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, NSF had a flag of their own, but I think this was rarely used. The image is copyrighted. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 13:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The side pane for this article contains multiple "Russian" flag icons. Some have a lighter blue strip and some have a darker blue strip. I know absolutely nothing about Russian history, but this is a little odd. 180.150.83.139 ( talk) 08:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Most people who opposed Yeltsin were democratically elected representatives.
The Opinion is largely focused on pro-Yeltsin factions than largess. Also number of people polled is hardly stated. There is a deception going on here that, most Russians supported Yeltsin Action
I remember the reactions from International press, they were very critical of Yeltsin yet there is no section on International Reactions
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.14.245 ( talk) 09:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Public opinion survey data supplied in that section is not referenced. I have attempted to find relevant sources, but have not been able to do so. VCIOM does not appear to have asked this question in 1993. Instead, they asked "Who was responsible for violence in Moscow?".
Therefore, references should be supplied or the section removed.
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The apparent impeachment of Yeltsin by the Congress is a major element in this story. Yet it never happened. There was no quorum, so any purported impeachment was as invalid as Yeltsin's dissolution of parliament! 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 08:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
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When reading the Russian version of this same article, I noticed that it is claimed how civilian casualties of armed conflict at Ostankino are all shot by police forces, and how rebels hardly shot back, if they shot at all. Now, the source of these claims are individual testimonies by some of the protesters (which are, obviously, biased and unreliable) and report by Duma Investigative Commision of 1999 (written by members of the opposition; most of the writers are Comunists or have Communist past, and all of them supported the rebel side in 1993, so it's hardly a neutral assessment). On the other hand, most reputable Western sources report it as a battle between two armed fractions, with lots of gunfight on both sides. Is there any reputable source which would merit a reference on the 'other side' view of the Ostankino conflict?
The section includes a very long section on economic reforms, based solely on reference [54]. It certainly does not belong there, but rather in "Origins", and itself is described in other Wikipedia articles linked, such as Economy of Russia. 83.190.80.156 ( talk) 17:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
There's a recent article that claims the impeachment of Yeltsin only occurred after a large number of members of parliament were expelled so that a reduced quorum could be met. The article is https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/vladimir-putin-boris-yeltsin-russia-parliament-shelling.html . The claim is "A minority of legislators showed up for the vote, not enough for a quorum, so Khasbulatov formally expelled the no-shows and declared a quorum met". Does anyone have another source to support this claim? It seems relevant if true; on the other hand, I've never heard this claim before. 86.189.224.154 ( talk) 11:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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I wrote this article on my MS Word browser. When I logged on Wikipedia earlier today, the server was down. Eager to post the new article, I completed it on a Wiki clone throughout the day [1]. Now that Wiki's online, there's still more work to be done; I'll be completing the notes, linking this to other articles, and adding some pics over the next couple of days. 172 05:32, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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Self-nomination. Wikipeida's articles on post-Soviet Russia are dreadfully underdeveloped. Perhaps this is the one article in this area that's complete enough to go through the featuring process. I hope that a feature will act as an impetus encouraging some much-needed substantial work on recent Russian history and politics. 172 09:22, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Oppose. NPOV. Please be careful with using phrases such as "this brutal episode" over and over again. Let the readers form their own impression. While I do not necessarily disagree with any of the views expressed, I believe that the text as it stands is far too tendentious to be featured. Please put in greater analysis of Yeltsin's motivation, instead of setting him up as the straw man for your own theses. It is not for Wikipedia to state that Russia is or is not a democracy, whatever that overflogged word may mean. The trick of hiding potentially difficult points in the footnotes is old and, excuse me, cheap. WITHDRAWN -- see below.
68.148.211.161 17:25, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC), i.e.
A. Shetsen 17:38, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
And please, please, don't make villains of anyone.
I should say that the text is quite as exciting as not-bad telejournalism -- that's a plus -- but I still have doubts on its impartiality. A. Shetsen 16:40, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Protected, presumably on m:the wrong version as per policy. Image sources and status shouldn't be that hard to sort out. Please sort it out before either of you unprotect - David Gerard 00:35, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There is no edit war. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blankfaze#172 . I was just the last one to find out what's going on, that's all. 172 00:48, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"the country's highest legislative body, form which the Supreme Soviet members were drawn"?
The chairman of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions, formerly dominated by trade unions, was also sacked, and the president took the opportunity to deprive trade unions of many of their administrative functions so as to whittle away their direct working ties to their rank-and-file membership.
a bit repetitive maybe? Thepedestrian 19:14, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't catch this one as it was going through FAC... a number of sentences needed rework. And some npov tweaks -- a handful of epithets removed where inappropriate, certain duplicated phrases removed. +sj + 04:01, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
A question to 172:
I tried to add the following sentence: "It was widely reported that those fighters came from paramilitary units of Neo-Nazi Russian National Unity party"
near the end of section "Mass protests in Moscow"
The addition was prompty removed.. Why?
Did you find it irrelevant? Incorrect? POVish?
The polling data is from pollster's website [3], except for 1993 poll about responsible parties which is from [4]. Andris 12:43, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, VTsIOM is often used and comes up twice as much on google (5,000 hits vs. 2,300 for VCIOM). Their own site spells them as VCIOM, though. I have no preference which of those should be in the text. Minor note: 2003 poll was actually conducted by VCIOM-A which broke away from VCIOM a few months earlier after government-forced management change at VCIOM.
I agree this needs context. I have some of it but there are some Russian language sources that I would still like to look up before writing. Andris 07:34, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
I wasn't ready to start a VTsIOM article, but I started a sandbox at User:172/VTsIOM sandbox. I don't know Russian, so help will be much appreciated. 172 10:03, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Some sources for myself/other Russian speakers:
Andris 14:51, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
It was a one party vote, these folks were no way in hell "elected". Id like to see this changed but Im not going to do anything if somebody has a good reason for it. Sexington7-Aug 19, 2006.
"The demonstrators were protesting against the new and terrible living conditions under Yeltsin." To the best of my knowledge, the demonstrators in question were protesting against the dissolution of the parliament and a broadening of presidential power. If thete are no citations no prove this, then it is an opinion, and certainly not a neutral one. If I do not get a convincing answer to this, I am going to edit the section accordingly.
The article takes a decided pro-Yeltsin view, doesn't adequately present opposing points of view, and gives little in the way of other groups positions except Yeltsin and the Parliment.
How did this article get FA status, let alone time on a main page, when it has so few sources? -- DMCer 00:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Article has major neutrality issues. A lot of unattributed commentary on the events, lack of citations, etc. Maybe would be better to start from scratch or to revert to an older version that was better. But we all know that it's not how Wikipedia works.-- Sir Anon ( talk) 12:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed it from the article, makes it sound like it was a civil war or something, when in reality it affected one building in Moscow...-- Kuban Cossack ( По-балакаем?) 16:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article looks dreadful. I have rewritten the beginning to get rid of all emotional nonsense "first blood shed", "red-brown coalition", etc. and excessive capitalisation. Please, keep only the most necessary information in the beginning. All details should go the main body of the article. DR2006kl ( talk) 13:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The only reference [5] sates the dates as 21 сентября - 4 октября 1993 г. but the page used to state 5/10/1993 as the end. Why? The white house was stormed on 4/10. Were there any significant developments on 5/10? DR2006kl ( talk) 13:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The section starts with "As part of Russian economic reform...", followed by anti-Eltsin's rant. 92 was a tough year, indeed, but 93 was much better than 92 or 91 or 90 or 89. It sounds like blaming a surgeon for the cancer. The reference to economic reform goes to economy of Russia for no particular reason. If other people around think that the economy is crucial to the crisis, I suggest someone should write a proper balanced section on it. Otherwise, we should just say that there was a significant political opposition to the economic policies without all this nonsense such as "prices skyrocketed" and "protracted recession" DR2006kl ( talk) 12:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently came across such a thing: http://www.panorama.ru/works/vybory/party/afgan.html.
В сентябре 1993 руководство СВА/НПП поддержало президентский указ N 1400 о роспуске парламента, из "афганцев" - сотрудников охранных предприятий были сформированы дружины, участвовавшие в блокировании Белого Дома.
This might merit mentioning in the article, but as of now, I haven't found any further information on this topic (and haven't noticed any acts of certain NPP militants in videos of the events). Note also that this 'People's Patriotic Party' is not identical with this. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog ( woof!) 08:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I've started an article here. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog ( woof!) 18:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have just read the russian pages [7] and [8] They are of considerably higher quality, with the good amount of citations. Both of them are rather NPOV in my view, although one has a POV tag. I propose to get rid of most of what is written here and translate the russian pages. Any thoughts? DR2006kl ( talk) 14:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Adamovich is someone who wrote one excellent screenplay, Okudzhava is a popular song-writer, Gorbachev is a discredited (by the time of the events) politician. Their opinion are as relevant as opinions of Michel Houellebecq, Bob Geldof and Margaret Thatcher on the war in Iraq. Where is the straw-man argument? DR2006kl ( talk) 11:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Pathetic... "NPOV"? I guess the Holocaust article is also "NPOV". Yeltsin's troops massacred almost 2,000 unarmed protesters in cold blood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.29.158 ( talk) 14:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Miacek, I suggest you write your new edit of the introduction here. Please, do it without laying a blame on any side. If I find it NPOV, we can ask to unlock the page. BTW, I have checked older version 1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis&oldid=4866799le from the day the article was featured. It is very pro-parliament and contains the surviving phrase "The ten-day conflict had seen the most deadly street fighting in Moscow since the Bolshevik Revolution in October 1917". As far as my recollection goes, 1917 revolution was relatively quiet in Moscow as oppose to 1905 revolution. I suggest changing it to 1905 revolution. DR2006kl ( talk) 14:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the NPOV tag as the dispute has grown stagnant, and the section in question appears to be neutral. If the dispute arises again, contact me before re-adding the NPOV tag. Drew Smith 06:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
If possibly, article need more images of this event, not only White House photo, and factions of CPD. Seryo93 ( talk) 12:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Finally found colored picture. Now, it's more impressing. Seryo93 ( talk) 16:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The quality of this article has deteriorated a bit over the years. I have restored an earlier draft of the article, while keeping some valuable more recent additions. If any salvageable content has been lost, please let me know so that I may assist in restoring it. Thanks in advance. 172 | Talk 07:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
etc.
All in all, your 'clean-up' effectually threw into dustbin other people's work on the article. Thus, please do not revert anymore, but try to find new sources; if you think that something ought to be removed, pls discuss here first. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I did removed some references material that was irrelevant or from inappropriate sources, e.g., www.marxist.com. I am working in good faith to improve the quality of this article. I did not blindly revert any new material.
By the way, yes, the quality did deteriorate from "the point when there were basically no sources at all." The quality of the writing, not all of which was mine, was superior and the foucs tighter. References were not required when this article was orginally wrtitten. However, there are sources for all the material, which I can provide on request ... By the way, I happen to be one of the first users to start inserting references in articles. This practice was not universally accepted at the time, given that conventional encyclopedias normally do not include footnotes and endnotes. 172 | Talk 17:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Miacek,
I have restored the infobox pending further discussion. Please do not revert my recent changes. I did not revert back to an earlier version, but rather drafted a new one. Instead, I created a new draft merging the better aspects of both recent edits and an order version of the article. [11] I wish to work with you in good faith to improve the quality of the writing and tighten the focus of the article, while salvaging any past useful contribution. 172 | Talk 19:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Miacek, I think I've restored almost all of the old content. See the additions here. Much of the content had to be edited for style. It was apparent that non-native English speakers drafted much of the writing. Please do not take offense to my comment. Your English is much better than my Russian, which I have almost entirely forgotten after taking classes nearly 40 years ago. 172 | Talk 20:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the recent removal of three flags from the infobox: I think having the flags there is justified (with the exception of the Andreyevskiy flag perhaps, this was less frequently used).
It is common to use in our infoboxes the unofficial flags of the opposing sides in case of a civil war. Both the Red Flag and the so-called Romanov Flag were widely used by the rioters, whereas the Russian tricolor remained hoisted on the Supreme Soviet building but was not used by their supporters. Additionally, we should list (next to the flags) some of the organizations that actively participated in the protests. At least I would add National Salvation Front. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 13:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, NSF had a flag of their own, but I think this was rarely used. The image is copyrighted. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 13:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The side pane for this article contains multiple "Russian" flag icons. Some have a lighter blue strip and some have a darker blue strip. I know absolutely nothing about Russian history, but this is a little odd. 180.150.83.139 ( talk) 08:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Most people who opposed Yeltsin were democratically elected representatives.
The Opinion is largely focused on pro-Yeltsin factions than largess. Also number of people polled is hardly stated. There is a deception going on here that, most Russians supported Yeltsin Action
I remember the reactions from International press, they were very critical of Yeltsin yet there is no section on International Reactions
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.14.245 ( talk) 09:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Public opinion survey data supplied in that section is not referenced. I have attempted to find relevant sources, but have not been able to do so. VCIOM does not appear to have asked this question in 1993. Instead, they asked "Who was responsible for violence in Moscow?".
Therefore, references should be supplied or the section removed.
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The apparent impeachment of Yeltsin by the Congress is a major element in this story. Yet it never happened. There was no quorum, so any purported impeachment was as invalid as Yeltsin's dissolution of parliament! 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 08:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
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When reading the Russian version of this same article, I noticed that it is claimed how civilian casualties of armed conflict at Ostankino are all shot by police forces, and how rebels hardly shot back, if they shot at all. Now, the source of these claims are individual testimonies by some of the protesters (which are, obviously, biased and unreliable) and report by Duma Investigative Commision of 1999 (written by members of the opposition; most of the writers are Comunists or have Communist past, and all of them supported the rebel side in 1993, so it's hardly a neutral assessment). On the other hand, most reputable Western sources report it as a battle between two armed fractions, with lots of gunfight on both sides. Is there any reputable source which would merit a reference on the 'other side' view of the Ostankino conflict?
The section includes a very long section on economic reforms, based solely on reference [54]. It certainly does not belong there, but rather in "Origins", and itself is described in other Wikipedia articles linked, such as Economy of Russia. 83.190.80.156 ( talk) 17:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
There's a recent article that claims the impeachment of Yeltsin only occurred after a large number of members of parliament were expelled so that a reduced quorum could be met. The article is https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/vladimir-putin-boris-yeltsin-russia-parliament-shelling.html . The claim is "A minority of legislators showed up for the vote, not enough for a quorum, so Khasbulatov formally expelled the no-shows and declared a quorum met". Does anyone have another source to support this claim? It seems relevant if true; on the other hand, I've never heard this claim before. 86.189.224.154 ( talk) 11:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)