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Football World Cup 1934 → 1934 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.
Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. -- Pkchan 10:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the relevance of this? Guinnog 06:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Ершы is comparative table of results of teams. I know that it not absolutely correct a thing, but some leageus, which consist of number of divisions use this system. Behind this system we can compare results of two commands which have taken off at the same stage.
The rankings were used by FIFA to determine seeds in recent years. The tables from 1978 to present are valid and for consistency we can include the ones from 1930-1974 as well. For that matter FIFA has ranked the early tournaments anyway and a document with those rankings can be found here http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_origin_en.pdf Libro0 17:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that Germany flew the Nazi flag when they competed in this tournament. I will try to find some evidence of this, and if I find it I will list it here and change the flags for that country, as has been done for the 1938 FIFA World Cup. Uris 18:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Nazi Flag was in 1934. ;) Change. —Preceding
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91.76.188.163 (
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In the little diagram of the course of the tournament, Czechoslovakia is anachronistically called the "Czech Republic." This needs to be fixed, but the wikicode for this baffles me, so I leave it to others! -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
We really need to find out the correct scorers. Right now the match reports don't match the top scorers list. • 辻斬り ? 10:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is this? The eight "first round" matches are "knockout" matches themselves and part of the "knockout stage". The corresponding section of the 1938 World Cup (the only other world cup to have the same format) has the same style. I assume this was done on purpose to make it look similar to latter world cups, so I won't change it yet; I think, however, that this is unnecessary and inaccurate. The eightfinals matches should be added to the brackets. Anyone agree?
The quarterfinals provided the first replay that the World Cup had seen when Italy and Spain drew 1-1 after extra time (of, as well said, one of the first scandals of World Cup history).
Does anybody know what that comment in brackets actually means? What was the scandal? Shouldn't this comment be either supported or deleted?
R Lowry 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I've entered a few pieces on Rene Mercet and Ivan Eklind and Louis Baert which should provide a few answers. The 'scandal' which is referred to in Fascism and Football by Simon Martin is that Mussolini met with and, presumably, influenced Eklind (who refereed both the tight semi-final, v. the Austrian Wunderteam managed by Hugo Meisl (see my entry) and the final). What seems to be reported widely, but without citation, is that Mercet was banned from further international appointments by the Swiss FA after the replayed Italy v Spain quarter-final (in which Italy won). Please see my Rene Mercet entry for contemporary newspaper reports as to his performance. This is not evidence for him being bribed; it could be that he was overawed by the occasion. Jean Langenus did write that the Italians made it obvious that they wanted to win the tournament (as quoted in Glanville's Story of the World Cup) and, I suppose, a lot of the gaps have been filled in from there.
One thing that does seem to escape reason is the amount of replacements that appeared in the replay (refereed by Rene Mercet - see my entry) the following day. There is one reference to the fact that Ricardo Zamora had been injured in the first game and his place went to a replacement who was injured in the build up to the Italian winner. To put some meat on the bones have a look at this video and check out how both Zamora, the Spanish goalkeeper, and Platzer, the Austrian goalkeeper, are fouled in the run up to the goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwvurx3Ih3s
Hope that helps ... Steve bloomer.
Not really... Both looked like players chasing loose balls in 50-50 situations. How do Glanville and Martin know these facts.Were they around at the time.Maybe they knew Mussolini? Every home nation gets favourable calls. Some have won with non existant goals and getting 6 with ease. So much time and effort bloomer, on a foreign nations negativity. Its so sad.Some people need to get a life. Or maybe come from a more successful football nation.FV.
The Goal.com link doesn't work, and using goal.com and bigsoccer.com as reliable sources is grasping to say the least. This is all speculation if none of it can be proven, and should be removed from the article until HARD EVIDENCE is presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProofPlease ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
The author was quite clearly trying to support his own opinion, as evidenced by his replies in the thread. BigSoccer is NOT a credible source, no matter how respected a member is. Neither is Goal,com, who write an article about it every time a player sneezes. Goal aren't in the business of facts and reliable info, they report everything soccer/football-related they come across, be it true or not or what traditional outlets would consider newsworthy. The 1958, 1962, 1966, 1978, 1986, 1990 and 2002 World Cups all were also very controversial (and that's just off the top of my head); but when Italy wins, it has to be rigged. All four World Cups and one European Championship, mmmhm. Not to mention, whenever the English media brings up any European title won by an Italian club, it's quickly followed by a conspiracy theory detailing how they cheated their way to it. 99.234.182.107 ( talk) 03:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the abbrevation for Czechoslovakia be TCH and not CZE. CZE didn't come into use until the founding of the Czech Republic in 1993.
At least RSSSF.com is using CZE for these teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liioadin ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
All the flags concerning Italy on this (and 1938 world cup) refer to flagicon ITA old.. which apparently doesn't exist. Which particular flag that is suupposed to be, for germany it's the old empire flag (red-white-black)..
I am removing this, because there is no source or citation given. Might as well say that Brazil fixed the 2002 Cup for all the evidence given here. -Izzo
To be honest, it all smacks of the typical British media bias against mainland Europe, and particularly Italy. Everything England or English clubs ever won was won fairly, without any hint of controversy (through good old British hard work and honesty, don't you know), while everything Italy or any Italian club ever won was the result of match-fixing and bribery. Kind of funny coming from a nation whose football association is infamous in the rest of the world for sweeping everything under the mat; if something like Calciopoli ever happened, or has happened, in England, it would never see the light of day, and that's a fact. As every Daily Mail reader knows, England occupy a higher moral ground than those grubby 'continental' Europeans. 99.234.182.107 ( talk) 02:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about. I am literally as I type watching a documentary from BBC FOUR (British propaganda i'm sure) called Fascism in Football. It notes several journalists and historians who say quite clearly, and giving substantial this cup tie was fixed. One Austrian player even claimed before he died the referee actually headed the ball back to the Italians at one point. Mussolini insisted the same ref that was in the Semi's was in the finals. That ref was invited to see Mussolini before the final, and it is claimed the night before the semi's he had dinner with him to discuss 'tactics'. No, to compare it with Brazil 2002 is ludicrous, and rips any historical context or appreciation out of the debate. —Preceding
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86.26.194.27 (
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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FOOTBALL+%26+FASCISM&aq=f Give that a watch, or even just google it. I don't know why you are so keen to deny something that is so clearly very plausible, that it AT LEAST deserves a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.194.27 ( talk) 11:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The Summary section starts, "The tournament was held after cupsystem" (emphasis in the original). This makes absolutely no sense as a sentence in the English language. Perhaps somebody who knows what it's supposed to mean can rephrase. Dricherby ( talk) 12:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I know. That is mean tournament was played in single-elimination tournament Metufit ( talk) 11:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Germany used Nazi flag at all sporting games in 1934!
I see a Weimar flag (red, white and black stripes), was it really the one used by Germany in 1934 ?
Please change.
As argued in three of the sections above, the German flag icon should be this: (a) Germany, and neither this (b) Germany nor that (c) Germany.
Nazi Germany means the period from 1933 to 1945. Soon after the Nazis seized power in January 1933, they passed a law abolishing the Weimar flag (c). This law legalize both, the Imperial (b) and the Nazi flag (a) equally. Another change was made in 1935, when the Nazi flag (a) was appointed as the sole national flag.
That means that there is, indeed, the period from 1933 to 1935 where one might argue about the flag being used, either (a) or (b). However, I have two reasons for favoring the use of (a). Firstly, this is the flag actually being used by Germany in this period while (b) was not. Secondly, it would be highly misleading to use (b). With the flag icon we are trying to tell the readers which country participated, and that was clearly Germany under the Nazi regime and not Germany ruled by the Emperor. Tomeasy T C 08:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
See this Italian newspaper from 4 June 1934, the day after Czechoslovakia–Germany. On the first page, in the middle right, it shows a photograph of the teams entering the field, with clearly the Nazi flag being shown.-- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 08:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
The map used shows the modern boundaries of Italy, not those of 1934. For consistency, would it be better to use a map of the era? The 1919 map that is available in wikipedia has the same boundaries as a 1934 map would have had. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.73.119.90 ( talk) 09:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
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While blogs are not reliable sources, this photo from the competition seems to imply that the team played under the Nazi flag and not the "empire flag". An anonymous editor from Vietnam continues to make the change appealing to the poster for the games as a source. However the poster simply displays flags and does not indicate which flag the German team played under. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
First goal was scored by Iraragorry, but Langara scored second and third. See [2], [3]. Iraragorri only scored one goal i all national team matches [4], [5]. Thanks. Felato ( [6]). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.227.213 ( talk) 10:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Kick-off time of all the first round matches was 16:00 CET, not 16:30 CET. I found this in the different newspapers in old articles about all matches. From the second round kick-off time was changed to 16:30 http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&f=2020&p=1&c=1#page/4/mode/1up (see page 4, first column "Le partite avranno inizio alle ore 16.30") Eu-football-info ( talk) 09:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Football World Cup 1934 → 1934 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.
Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. -- Pkchan 10:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the relevance of this? Guinnog 06:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Ершы is comparative table of results of teams. I know that it not absolutely correct a thing, but some leageus, which consist of number of divisions use this system. Behind this system we can compare results of two commands which have taken off at the same stage.
The rankings were used by FIFA to determine seeds in recent years. The tables from 1978 to present are valid and for consistency we can include the ones from 1930-1974 as well. For that matter FIFA has ranked the early tournaments anyway and a document with those rankings can be found here http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_origin_en.pdf Libro0 17:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that Germany flew the Nazi flag when they competed in this tournament. I will try to find some evidence of this, and if I find it I will list it here and change the flags for that country, as has been done for the 1938 FIFA World Cup. Uris 18:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Nazi Flag was in 1934. ;) Change. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
91.76.188.163 (
talk) 08:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
In the little diagram of the course of the tournament, Czechoslovakia is anachronistically called the "Czech Republic." This needs to be fixed, but the wikicode for this baffles me, so I leave it to others! -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
We really need to find out the correct scorers. Right now the match reports don't match the top scorers list. • 辻斬り ? 10:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is this? The eight "first round" matches are "knockout" matches themselves and part of the "knockout stage". The corresponding section of the 1938 World Cup (the only other world cup to have the same format) has the same style. I assume this was done on purpose to make it look similar to latter world cups, so I won't change it yet; I think, however, that this is unnecessary and inaccurate. The eightfinals matches should be added to the brackets. Anyone agree?
The quarterfinals provided the first replay that the World Cup had seen when Italy and Spain drew 1-1 after extra time (of, as well said, one of the first scandals of World Cup history).
Does anybody know what that comment in brackets actually means? What was the scandal? Shouldn't this comment be either supported or deleted?
R Lowry 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I've entered a few pieces on Rene Mercet and Ivan Eklind and Louis Baert which should provide a few answers. The 'scandal' which is referred to in Fascism and Football by Simon Martin is that Mussolini met with and, presumably, influenced Eklind (who refereed both the tight semi-final, v. the Austrian Wunderteam managed by Hugo Meisl (see my entry) and the final). What seems to be reported widely, but without citation, is that Mercet was banned from further international appointments by the Swiss FA after the replayed Italy v Spain quarter-final (in which Italy won). Please see my Rene Mercet entry for contemporary newspaper reports as to his performance. This is not evidence for him being bribed; it could be that he was overawed by the occasion. Jean Langenus did write that the Italians made it obvious that they wanted to win the tournament (as quoted in Glanville's Story of the World Cup) and, I suppose, a lot of the gaps have been filled in from there.
One thing that does seem to escape reason is the amount of replacements that appeared in the replay (refereed by Rene Mercet - see my entry) the following day. There is one reference to the fact that Ricardo Zamora had been injured in the first game and his place went to a replacement who was injured in the build up to the Italian winner. To put some meat on the bones have a look at this video and check out how both Zamora, the Spanish goalkeeper, and Platzer, the Austrian goalkeeper, are fouled in the run up to the goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwvurx3Ih3s
Hope that helps ... Steve bloomer.
Not really... Both looked like players chasing loose balls in 50-50 situations. How do Glanville and Martin know these facts.Were they around at the time.Maybe they knew Mussolini? Every home nation gets favourable calls. Some have won with non existant goals and getting 6 with ease. So much time and effort bloomer, on a foreign nations negativity. Its so sad.Some people need to get a life. Or maybe come from a more successful football nation.FV.
The Goal.com link doesn't work, and using goal.com and bigsoccer.com as reliable sources is grasping to say the least. This is all speculation if none of it can be proven, and should be removed from the article until HARD EVIDENCE is presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProofPlease ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
The author was quite clearly trying to support his own opinion, as evidenced by his replies in the thread. BigSoccer is NOT a credible source, no matter how respected a member is. Neither is Goal,com, who write an article about it every time a player sneezes. Goal aren't in the business of facts and reliable info, they report everything soccer/football-related they come across, be it true or not or what traditional outlets would consider newsworthy. The 1958, 1962, 1966, 1978, 1986, 1990 and 2002 World Cups all were also very controversial (and that's just off the top of my head); but when Italy wins, it has to be rigged. All four World Cups and one European Championship, mmmhm. Not to mention, whenever the English media brings up any European title won by an Italian club, it's quickly followed by a conspiracy theory detailing how they cheated their way to it. 99.234.182.107 ( talk) 03:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the abbrevation for Czechoslovakia be TCH and not CZE. CZE didn't come into use until the founding of the Czech Republic in 1993.
At least RSSSF.com is using CZE for these teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liioadin ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
All the flags concerning Italy on this (and 1938 world cup) refer to flagicon ITA old.. which apparently doesn't exist. Which particular flag that is suupposed to be, for germany it's the old empire flag (red-white-black)..
I am removing this, because there is no source or citation given. Might as well say that Brazil fixed the 2002 Cup for all the evidence given here. -Izzo
To be honest, it all smacks of the typical British media bias against mainland Europe, and particularly Italy. Everything England or English clubs ever won was won fairly, without any hint of controversy (through good old British hard work and honesty, don't you know), while everything Italy or any Italian club ever won was the result of match-fixing and bribery. Kind of funny coming from a nation whose football association is infamous in the rest of the world for sweeping everything under the mat; if something like Calciopoli ever happened, or has happened, in England, it would never see the light of day, and that's a fact. As every Daily Mail reader knows, England occupy a higher moral ground than those grubby 'continental' Europeans. 99.234.182.107 ( talk) 02:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about. I am literally as I type watching a documentary from BBC FOUR (British propaganda i'm sure) called Fascism in Football. It notes several journalists and historians who say quite clearly, and giving substantial this cup tie was fixed. One Austrian player even claimed before he died the referee actually headed the ball back to the Italians at one point. Mussolini insisted the same ref that was in the Semi's was in the finals. That ref was invited to see Mussolini before the final, and it is claimed the night before the semi's he had dinner with him to discuss 'tactics'. No, to compare it with Brazil 2002 is ludicrous, and rips any historical context or appreciation out of the debate. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.26.194.27 (
talk) 23:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FOOTBALL+%26+FASCISM&aq=f Give that a watch, or even just google it. I don't know why you are so keen to deny something that is so clearly very plausible, that it AT LEAST deserves a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.194.27 ( talk) 11:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The Summary section starts, "The tournament was held after cupsystem" (emphasis in the original). This makes absolutely no sense as a sentence in the English language. Perhaps somebody who knows what it's supposed to mean can rephrase. Dricherby ( talk) 12:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I know. That is mean tournament was played in single-elimination tournament Metufit ( talk) 11:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Germany used Nazi flag at all sporting games in 1934!
I see a Weimar flag (red, white and black stripes), was it really the one used by Germany in 1934 ?
Please change.
As argued in three of the sections above, the German flag icon should be this: (a) Germany, and neither this (b) Germany nor that (c) Germany.
Nazi Germany means the period from 1933 to 1945. Soon after the Nazis seized power in January 1933, they passed a law abolishing the Weimar flag (c). This law legalize both, the Imperial (b) and the Nazi flag (a) equally. Another change was made in 1935, when the Nazi flag (a) was appointed as the sole national flag.
That means that there is, indeed, the period from 1933 to 1935 where one might argue about the flag being used, either (a) or (b). However, I have two reasons for favoring the use of (a). Firstly, this is the flag actually being used by Germany in this period while (b) was not. Secondly, it would be highly misleading to use (b). With the flag icon we are trying to tell the readers which country participated, and that was clearly Germany under the Nazi regime and not Germany ruled by the Emperor. Tomeasy T C 08:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
See this Italian newspaper from 4 June 1934, the day after Czechoslovakia–Germany. On the first page, in the middle right, it shows a photograph of the teams entering the field, with clearly the Nazi flag being shown.-- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 08:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
The map used shows the modern boundaries of Italy, not those of 1934. For consistency, would it be better to use a map of the era? The 1919 map that is available in wikipedia has the same boundaries as a 1934 map would have had. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.73.119.90 ( talk) 09:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
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While blogs are not reliable sources, this photo from the competition seems to imply that the team played under the Nazi flag and not the "empire flag". An anonymous editor from Vietnam continues to make the change appealing to the poster for the games as a source. However the poster simply displays flags and does not indicate which flag the German team played under. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
First goal was scored by Iraragorry, but Langara scored second and third. See [2], [3]. Iraragorri only scored one goal i all national team matches [4], [5]. Thanks. Felato ( [6]). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.227.213 ( talk) 10:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Kick-off time of all the first round matches was 16:00 CET, not 16:30 CET. I found this in the different newspapers in old articles about all matches. From the second round kick-off time was changed to 16:30 http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&f=2020&p=1&c=1#page/4/mode/1up (see page 4, first column "Le partite avranno inizio alle ore 16.30") Eu-football-info ( talk) 09:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)