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i was surprised to find the article doesn't say anything about the length of film reels that would fit in a 16mm, 35mm etc. camera or what the longest time one could film with them would be. i think this has historical interest because my memory of old newsreels and hollywood interviews and the like is that they are choppy, a sequence of brief scenes, that might be due to reel limitations. i can only add a plea for info. Drollere ( talk) 22:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
More complete explanation of revert:
I have reverted the tech specs back to my original due to the fact that the primary info (before the aperture stuff) is the standard way the industry discusses lengths of film. Motion picture film has always been sold in quantities measured by the foot, and 40 frames per foot is a standard constant for motion picture films (in fact, all the major gauges have a exact number of frames per foot with the exception of 70mm, which even then is standard to a multiple number of feet). The standards are not just in America, they are used all over the world.
While the aperture information is probably less important as to how it is displayed, I sourced my information from SMPTE standards as written in the American Cinematographer Handbook which is also perhaps the foremost international reference book for cinematography.
In conclusion, while the format may be written in metric, that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that the international industry conventions are at all aligned towards a metric preference in many of these matters. Even for film crews in countries that don't use feet and inches.
-- Girolamo Savonarola 22:43, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)
I added the Film tin and infomation about fuji 16mm stocks ill ad the kodak film after i shot some of it. -- Kylehamilton 07:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
"Motion picture film has always been sold in quantities measured by the foot" This is not true. In France we measur film lengths in meters. The films labels show the length in meters. Here's a documentation for instance. You can see a can at the last page. The length is in both feet and meters : http://wwwfr.kodak.com/FR/plugins/acrobat/fr/motion/vision2_5229.pdf
Kodak's got a length calculating on-line tool, that gives both feet and meters :
(javascript: window.open( "/US/en/motion/filmCalculator.html" ,"FilmCalculator","width=680,height=428,scrollbars=no"); window.stop();
Same for fuji : (enlarge the can's label, it's written 122m(400ft)) :
http://www.fujifilm-cinema.com/produits_negatif_accueil.php
Even the posted picture : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Fuji16mm64d.jpg, if you enlarge it says : 30.5 m (100 ft)!
In conclusion I think you should give both meters and feet.
Second point :
One could remind that Super 16 was invented by Jean-Pierre Beauviala, Aaton, but I'd like to be sure of that before inserting this info..
third point : about your illustration documents :
- I don't like the first drawing http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/16mmfilm.gif
There must be a way of founding pictures instead...
- The image : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/S16.jpg is actually a one ridge negative. Ok, it's a Super 16 image that's on it, but I'm afraid people would think 1 ridge means Super 16, tha not being true, since most of regular 16 mm camera can run 1 ridge stock... See what I mean ?
We'd better legend this picture : 16 mm negative film (shot super 16) or something like that
Regards,
laurent andrieux Camera operator
Ok for the stock length measurements, I see your point.
Yes, by 1 ridge I mean single perf
Regards,
Well, I adding some sections, hope it makes it more interesting, and I was wondering, there really is no information on 16 mm film with sound. The article also doesn't refer to projection of 16 mm or super 16 mm. This is some good info that maybe someone could add at a later date. Rhetth 20:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone include some prices for these type of cameras. New and used. Thanks.
Just wanted to thank Girolamo Savonarola for the work he has done here so far ! Regards
laurent andrieux 23:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
One of the pictures I stuck in this article was moved to the commons, but the thumbnail has now disappeared in the article, the Picture does show up if you click on it.
I don't know if their is special markup for the commons? The link currently points to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/16mmBWrevDP.png/180px-16mmBWrevDP.png
How to fix? cmacd 01:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
This is the kind of article that justifies Wikipedia. You want a clear introduction to a technical subject and you get it here. A model. Well done! 88888 ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Although the title is located at 16 mm, nearly every other part of the article says 16mm. Which is correct? (I note 8mm and 35mm have the space). Bob talk 22:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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The only supplier of 16 mm color reversal/negative film in 2022 is Kodak (Agfa and Fuji closed their film manufacturing facilities in the 2010s).
This language is now out of date as of 2023. Orwo has begun production and public sale of a new 16mm color negative film stock, which is sold as "Orwo 16mm NC500 Colour Cine". [1] https://www.orwo.shop/en-us/products/orwo-nc400-colour-cine-16mm
The Modern usage
section of this article needs to be reworked to reflect this new development.
FACP2007 (
talk)
16:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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i was surprised to find the article doesn't say anything about the length of film reels that would fit in a 16mm, 35mm etc. camera or what the longest time one could film with them would be. i think this has historical interest because my memory of old newsreels and hollywood interviews and the like is that they are choppy, a sequence of brief scenes, that might be due to reel limitations. i can only add a plea for info. Drollere ( talk) 22:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
More complete explanation of revert:
I have reverted the tech specs back to my original due to the fact that the primary info (before the aperture stuff) is the standard way the industry discusses lengths of film. Motion picture film has always been sold in quantities measured by the foot, and 40 frames per foot is a standard constant for motion picture films (in fact, all the major gauges have a exact number of frames per foot with the exception of 70mm, which even then is standard to a multiple number of feet). The standards are not just in America, they are used all over the world.
While the aperture information is probably less important as to how it is displayed, I sourced my information from SMPTE standards as written in the American Cinematographer Handbook which is also perhaps the foremost international reference book for cinematography.
In conclusion, while the format may be written in metric, that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that the international industry conventions are at all aligned towards a metric preference in many of these matters. Even for film crews in countries that don't use feet and inches.
-- Girolamo Savonarola 22:43, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)
I added the Film tin and infomation about fuji 16mm stocks ill ad the kodak film after i shot some of it. -- Kylehamilton 07:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
"Motion picture film has always been sold in quantities measured by the foot" This is not true. In France we measur film lengths in meters. The films labels show the length in meters. Here's a documentation for instance. You can see a can at the last page. The length is in both feet and meters : http://wwwfr.kodak.com/FR/plugins/acrobat/fr/motion/vision2_5229.pdf
Kodak's got a length calculating on-line tool, that gives both feet and meters :
(javascript: window.open( "/US/en/motion/filmCalculator.html" ,"FilmCalculator","width=680,height=428,scrollbars=no"); window.stop();
Same for fuji : (enlarge the can's label, it's written 122m(400ft)) :
http://www.fujifilm-cinema.com/produits_negatif_accueil.php
Even the posted picture : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Fuji16mm64d.jpg, if you enlarge it says : 30.5 m (100 ft)!
In conclusion I think you should give both meters and feet.
Second point :
One could remind that Super 16 was invented by Jean-Pierre Beauviala, Aaton, but I'd like to be sure of that before inserting this info..
third point : about your illustration documents :
- I don't like the first drawing http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/16mmfilm.gif
There must be a way of founding pictures instead...
- The image : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/S16.jpg is actually a one ridge negative. Ok, it's a Super 16 image that's on it, but I'm afraid people would think 1 ridge means Super 16, tha not being true, since most of regular 16 mm camera can run 1 ridge stock... See what I mean ?
We'd better legend this picture : 16 mm negative film (shot super 16) or something like that
Regards,
laurent andrieux Camera operator
Ok for the stock length measurements, I see your point.
Yes, by 1 ridge I mean single perf
Regards,
Well, I adding some sections, hope it makes it more interesting, and I was wondering, there really is no information on 16 mm film with sound. The article also doesn't refer to projection of 16 mm or super 16 mm. This is some good info that maybe someone could add at a later date. Rhetth 20:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone include some prices for these type of cameras. New and used. Thanks.
Just wanted to thank Girolamo Savonarola for the work he has done here so far ! Regards
laurent andrieux 23:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
One of the pictures I stuck in this article was moved to the commons, but the thumbnail has now disappeared in the article, the Picture does show up if you click on it.
I don't know if their is special markup for the commons? The link currently points to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/16mmBWrevDP.png/180px-16mmBWrevDP.png
How to fix? cmacd 01:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
This is the kind of article that justifies Wikipedia. You want a clear introduction to a technical subject and you get it here. A model. Well done! 88888 ( talk) 19:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Although the title is located at 16 mm, nearly every other part of the article says 16mm. Which is correct? (I note 8mm and 35mm have the space). Bob talk 22:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 19:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 19:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
The only supplier of 16 mm color reversal/negative film in 2022 is Kodak (Agfa and Fuji closed their film manufacturing facilities in the 2010s).
This language is now out of date as of 2023. Orwo has begun production and public sale of a new 16mm color negative film stock, which is sold as "Orwo 16mm NC500 Colour Cine". [1] https://www.orwo.shop/en-us/products/orwo-nc400-colour-cine-16mm
The Modern usage
section of this article needs to be reworked to reflect this new development.
FACP2007 (
talk)
16:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)