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I have changed the opening from reading "fictional 2007 film" to "2007 fiction film" as writing fictional reads as if the film does not actually exist, that it is a fiction. Ernestrome ( talk) 12:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.moviemaze.de/media/trailer/3125/1408.html -- 68.209.227.3 06:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
"Håfström says the effects sequences required them to build at least seven versions of room 1408, including a particularly elaborate one that 'turns into an old, sinking ship.'" [1]
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There are a number of references that suggest the exterior of the hotel was the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC, not Hotel Pennsylvania. e.g. http://en.allexperts.com/q/New-York-City-3182/Movie-1408.htm
Based on my knowledge of NYC (having stayed at the Roosevelt), and having taken the train at Penn Station a number of times, this seems true - the shots don't quite look like Hotel Penn (though there's a resemblance).
Interior shots were in London. The lobby actually is fashioned similar to the Roosevelt's, though not exactly.
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Were there differences between the film and the story it was based on? If so, the list of differences would be great information to add to the article. -- Raimu 00:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The final sentence of the plot synopsis currently reads: "After listening to the recording, and hearing his daughter's voice on it, his wife steps back in shock and horror as they both realize Mike's adventure in room 1408 was in fact real." While it is fact that they both heard the daughter's voice on the recording, what this actually means is not entirely certain. It seemed to me that, upon seeing his wife's reaction, an almost devious grin spread across his face. This could indicate that he never actually left the room (again) and that his wife was tricked into joining him. Adding to the credibility of this explanation, the daughter said that she wished all three of them could be together forever. Perhaps that is exact what has happened. I'm sure that some people will make the argument that he obviously really got out because that's what happened in the book. Personally, I don't think that's a solid enough reason. Films often deviate from their written basis.
I'm not suggesting that the article be rewritten with my above explanation, but rather that the facts are simply stated without the added opinion of what they mean. It would suffice to simply say that upon hearing their daughter's voice, Lilly looks shocked and somewhat horrified and that Mike begins to grin just before the credits roll. 75.72.183.252 06:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
(This is also a response to the above comment) If we are to compare the movie to the real world, I'd venture a guess that Mike had recorded over a taped conversation of a conversation he had with his daughter before she died, then partially recorded over it while in the room. What happened in the room? Simple. While in the room Mike expressed the thought that perhaps the bottle he was drinking from was drugged. Although unstable, LSD is a powerful hallucinate with unpredictable consequences. When mixed with a lot of adrenaline in a stressful situation it can lead to a very bad trip. My thought are that the drink was spiked. If you notice, every time Mike takes a sip from the bottle the hallucinations become stronger and when he nearly drowns himself in alcohol he goes through a trip warping all his senses.
Then again, we must all remember, that the Hollywood writers write these scripts in order to scare us and thrill us and give us a good run for our money, they do NOT write the scripts to make sense. Perhaps Stephen King never decided if what happened in room 1408 was real or not, he leaves that part to his readers. - user:technogiddo
In response to the theory that there was some LSD in his drink and that the whole experience was a "bad trip," the physical evidence must be considered. Since none of the answers are given in the movie, the following questions are rhetorical, but, does he really have the cut on his hand from the window shutting down on him, and is the toilet paper really folded, while 2 "squares" of it are in the trash can, or wherever he put them? I guess the second one couldn't be answered since the place burned down, but I'm sure that even if he got burned pretty badly, his bleeding arm would be noticeable.
I think the ending should have been less straight forward, and less "Hollywoody." Maybe instead of going into the credits as he's beginning to smile, they would zoom out and the audience would see that they're both actually still in 1408 or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.158.112 ( talk) 23:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
-- No, no, you got it all wrong... the spirit lived in the 3 paintings! The spirit wanted to die but couldnt, thats why all over the room it kept saying "Burn Me Alive." The spirit wanted Michael do kill it. In the theatrical ending, he did kill it, and he did make it out alive, his "grin" was more justification for what he went through, his wife knows he really did experience all that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.56.13 ( talk) 08:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I thought I'd mention the specifics of the guidelines on plot summaries, since Erik has been level headed enough to remind us of them. The general rule is 100 words for every 10 minutes of film, meaning this plot summary should be about 1060 words long. Right now it's 1700. Doing the math, about 1/3rd of the section needs to be trimmed. -- Y| yukichigai ( ramble argue check) 04:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know when 1408 coming out to DVD????
Lucky enough to get my hands on an advanced release and neither of the alternate endings included in the special features section resemble what is described in the original post in the alternate ending section of the page (the whole Olin at the funeral and seeing Mike's ghost thing), and since the two alternate endings that were on the DVD were completely different, I requested a citation. Added what was actually on the DVD. -- Mount Molehill 05:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Wait, if there are 2 very different endings, which one is the right one that happened in the book?- Jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.26.150 ( talk) 12:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I watched the DirecTV pay-per-view version, and it had the ending where he died and Olin saw his ghost in the car. There was no indication that this was a "Director's Cut", "Alternate Ending" or "Unrated". I was shocked to read this and see that this was not the intended ending. Can anyone find any explanation? 166.82.206.146 01:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I ordered it off insight digital PPV (in New Albany, IN) and got that ending as well —Preceding
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The heading the number thirteen now says that the clock in the post office has the time 4:56 on it, and that 4+5+6=13. This is just not correct at all, from a third-grade math level. What is actually correct here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.198.143 ( talk) 00:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
when the guy come up to fix the thermostat the doorknob is on the right side of the door, then after mike fixes it and closes the door, the knob is on the left side of the door. Does anyone know if this was a mistake or not, because it seems too obvious to not be caught. Thrasher6920 ( talk)
After watching it again, this is one of the subtler clues that the room has "gone off the rails" at the beginning. Notice that when Mike picks up the Bible at the beginning, he thumbs through it, then drops it - whereupon the title is now reversed. It indicates that the 1408 Mike winds up in is not the real thing, but a "mirror universe" and later this is confirmed when the wife sends police to the room and they find it empty. 75.71.151.46 ( talk) 07:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
If you watch the movie again the view of Mike closing the door is from a mirror so it appears that the door handle is on the left. —Preceding
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When mercury is exposed to the human body I've heard you TRIP hard for the rest of your life. You basically go insane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.245.159 ( talk) 16:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
How come the written plot summary of this film is very different from what actually happens in the film? The written order of events are different than the order that appears in the movie. It's becoming increasingly blatant that the several people who wrote the plot summary have not actually seen the movie, which begs the question why write the plot summary in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corbenine ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
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I saw what's described here as "Test audience ending #1" in the theatres, so it's possible this varied. -- Steven Fisher ( talk) 23:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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Currently, the first mention of the character Sam is in the alternate endings: "During Mike's funeral, Olin approaches Lily and Sam."
So, who is Sam? Or am I missing something? -- Syzygy ( talk) 11:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'm getting thoroughly confused here.
The section with "Alternate endings" has three entries, the first of which seems to be identical to the one of the plot summary above, and is simultaneously called the "Original dicarded ending," and "the one used in the film." What is going on here, and why is the original ending in the section on alternate endings?
Likewise, the lead of the "Alternate endings" section speaks of four endings all in all, though, by my preliminary count, there seem to be only three versions, the original one plus two alternatives.
What am I missing? -- Syzygy ( talk) 10:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
For the record, this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1408_(film)&type=revision&diff=857978585&oldid=857978487 ) looks like the (recent) edit that broke the article. It should be watched or something. I will reedit it, I suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.63.159.28 ( talk) 01:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
In the film, 1408 is the room where every occupant commits suicide. The protagonist humorously compares the room to the seventh circle of hell in the Divine Comedy. I checked what is included in the seventh circle, and that is "the Wood of the Suicides, in which the souls of the people who attempted or died by suicide are transformed". The river of blood which the protagonist mentions in a previous scene is also part of this seventh circle.
Should the film's recurring references to the Divine Comedy be mentioned in the plot summary? Dimadick ( talk) 14:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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I have changed the opening from reading "fictional 2007 film" to "2007 fiction film" as writing fictional reads as if the film does not actually exist, that it is a fiction. Ernestrome ( talk) 12:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.moviemaze.de/media/trailer/3125/1408.html -- 68.209.227.3 06:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
"Håfström says the effects sequences required them to build at least seven versions of room 1408, including a particularly elaborate one that 'turns into an old, sinking ship.'" [1]
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There are a number of references that suggest the exterior of the hotel was the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC, not Hotel Pennsylvania. e.g. http://en.allexperts.com/q/New-York-City-3182/Movie-1408.htm
Based on my knowledge of NYC (having stayed at the Roosevelt), and having taken the train at Penn Station a number of times, this seems true - the shots don't quite look like Hotel Penn (though there's a resemblance).
Interior shots were in London. The lobby actually is fashioned similar to the Roosevelt's, though not exactly.
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Were there differences between the film and the story it was based on? If so, the list of differences would be great information to add to the article. -- Raimu 00:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The final sentence of the plot synopsis currently reads: "After listening to the recording, and hearing his daughter's voice on it, his wife steps back in shock and horror as they both realize Mike's adventure in room 1408 was in fact real." While it is fact that they both heard the daughter's voice on the recording, what this actually means is not entirely certain. It seemed to me that, upon seeing his wife's reaction, an almost devious grin spread across his face. This could indicate that he never actually left the room (again) and that his wife was tricked into joining him. Adding to the credibility of this explanation, the daughter said that she wished all three of them could be together forever. Perhaps that is exact what has happened. I'm sure that some people will make the argument that he obviously really got out because that's what happened in the book. Personally, I don't think that's a solid enough reason. Films often deviate from their written basis.
I'm not suggesting that the article be rewritten with my above explanation, but rather that the facts are simply stated without the added opinion of what they mean. It would suffice to simply say that upon hearing their daughter's voice, Lilly looks shocked and somewhat horrified and that Mike begins to grin just before the credits roll. 75.72.183.252 06:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
(This is also a response to the above comment) If we are to compare the movie to the real world, I'd venture a guess that Mike had recorded over a taped conversation of a conversation he had with his daughter before she died, then partially recorded over it while in the room. What happened in the room? Simple. While in the room Mike expressed the thought that perhaps the bottle he was drinking from was drugged. Although unstable, LSD is a powerful hallucinate with unpredictable consequences. When mixed with a lot of adrenaline in a stressful situation it can lead to a very bad trip. My thought are that the drink was spiked. If you notice, every time Mike takes a sip from the bottle the hallucinations become stronger and when he nearly drowns himself in alcohol he goes through a trip warping all his senses.
Then again, we must all remember, that the Hollywood writers write these scripts in order to scare us and thrill us and give us a good run for our money, they do NOT write the scripts to make sense. Perhaps Stephen King never decided if what happened in room 1408 was real or not, he leaves that part to his readers. - user:technogiddo
In response to the theory that there was some LSD in his drink and that the whole experience was a "bad trip," the physical evidence must be considered. Since none of the answers are given in the movie, the following questions are rhetorical, but, does he really have the cut on his hand from the window shutting down on him, and is the toilet paper really folded, while 2 "squares" of it are in the trash can, or wherever he put them? I guess the second one couldn't be answered since the place burned down, but I'm sure that even if he got burned pretty badly, his bleeding arm would be noticeable.
I think the ending should have been less straight forward, and less "Hollywoody." Maybe instead of going into the credits as he's beginning to smile, they would zoom out and the audience would see that they're both actually still in 1408 or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.158.112 ( talk) 23:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
-- No, no, you got it all wrong... the spirit lived in the 3 paintings! The spirit wanted to die but couldnt, thats why all over the room it kept saying "Burn Me Alive." The spirit wanted Michael do kill it. In the theatrical ending, he did kill it, and he did make it out alive, his "grin" was more justification for what he went through, his wife knows he really did experience all that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.56.13 ( talk) 08:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I thought I'd mention the specifics of the guidelines on plot summaries, since Erik has been level headed enough to remind us of them. The general rule is 100 words for every 10 minutes of film, meaning this plot summary should be about 1060 words long. Right now it's 1700. Doing the math, about 1/3rd of the section needs to be trimmed. -- Y| yukichigai ( ramble argue check) 04:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know when 1408 coming out to DVD????
Lucky enough to get my hands on an advanced release and neither of the alternate endings included in the special features section resemble what is described in the original post in the alternate ending section of the page (the whole Olin at the funeral and seeing Mike's ghost thing), and since the two alternate endings that were on the DVD were completely different, I requested a citation. Added what was actually on the DVD. -- Mount Molehill 05:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Wait, if there are 2 very different endings, which one is the right one that happened in the book?- Jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.26.150 ( talk) 12:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I watched the DirecTV pay-per-view version, and it had the ending where he died and Olin saw his ghost in the car. There was no indication that this was a "Director's Cut", "Alternate Ending" or "Unrated". I was shocked to read this and see that this was not the intended ending. Can anyone find any explanation? 166.82.206.146 01:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I ordered it off insight digital PPV (in New Albany, IN) and got that ending as well —Preceding
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74.129.220.188 (
talk)
03:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The heading the number thirteen now says that the clock in the post office has the time 4:56 on it, and that 4+5+6=13. This is just not correct at all, from a third-grade math level. What is actually correct here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.198.143 ( talk) 00:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
when the guy come up to fix the thermostat the doorknob is on the right side of the door, then after mike fixes it and closes the door, the knob is on the left side of the door. Does anyone know if this was a mistake or not, because it seems too obvious to not be caught. Thrasher6920 ( talk)
After watching it again, this is one of the subtler clues that the room has "gone off the rails" at the beginning. Notice that when Mike picks up the Bible at the beginning, he thumbs through it, then drops it - whereupon the title is now reversed. It indicates that the 1408 Mike winds up in is not the real thing, but a "mirror universe" and later this is confirmed when the wife sends police to the room and they find it empty. 75.71.151.46 ( talk) 07:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
If you watch the movie again the view of Mike closing the door is from a mirror so it appears that the door handle is on the left. —Preceding
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203.206.68.133 (
talk)
11:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
When mercury is exposed to the human body I've heard you TRIP hard for the rest of your life. You basically go insane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.245.159 ( talk) 16:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
How come the written plot summary of this film is very different from what actually happens in the film? The written order of events are different than the order that appears in the movie. It's becoming increasingly blatant that the several people who wrote the plot summary have not actually seen the movie, which begs the question why write the plot summary in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corbenine ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
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I saw what's described here as "Test audience ending #1" in the theatres, so it's possible this varied. -- Steven Fisher ( talk) 23:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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Currently, the first mention of the character Sam is in the alternate endings: "During Mike's funeral, Olin approaches Lily and Sam."
So, who is Sam? Or am I missing something? -- Syzygy ( talk) 11:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'm getting thoroughly confused here.
The section with "Alternate endings" has three entries, the first of which seems to be identical to the one of the plot summary above, and is simultaneously called the "Original dicarded ending," and "the one used in the film." What is going on here, and why is the original ending in the section on alternate endings?
Likewise, the lead of the "Alternate endings" section speaks of four endings all in all, though, by my preliminary count, there seem to be only three versions, the original one plus two alternatives.
What am I missing? -- Syzygy ( talk) 10:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
For the record, this ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=1408_(film)&type=revision&diff=857978585&oldid=857978487 ) looks like the (recent) edit that broke the article. It should be watched or something. I will reedit it, I suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.63.159.28 ( talk) 01:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
In the film, 1408 is the room where every occupant commits suicide. The protagonist humorously compares the room to the seventh circle of hell in the Divine Comedy. I checked what is included in the seventh circle, and that is "the Wood of the Suicides, in which the souls of the people who attempted or died by suicide are transformed". The river of blood which the protagonist mentions in a previous scene is also part of this seventh circle.
Should the film's recurring references to the Divine Comedy be mentioned in the plot summary? Dimadick ( talk) 14:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)