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Say, have you considered mentioning Europe in the lead paragraph? The categories suggest that's the focus here, but if so it'd be good to say so explicitly. Thanks, William Pietri 04:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
As I read through the article, I notice that I've used the word "generally" in just about every sentence. If somebody could reword it so that "generally" isn't used as often, I would appreciate it.-- Tabun1015 14:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we move 1300-1400 in fashion and 1400-1500 in fashion to Medieval costume 1300-1400 and Medieval costume 1400-1500. I am not convinced that "fashion" as we think of it really applies to European clothing in the Middle Ages. We can then fill in the earlier medieval periods as we go.
I would like consensus from other editors working on these articles before making the change.
Can we discuss here? - PKM 17:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I must say I don't especially see this as a problem. There certainly was fashion during this period; it might not have been very fast-moving by modern standards, especially lower down the social scale, but I would object more strongly to any suggestion that fashion in Europe was a Renaissance invention than to anything else. Johnbod 18:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be fitting to merge the
1300-1400 and
1400-1500 articles into one article about
Late Medieval Fashion. I doubt that there is enough difference between the two centuries to merit separate articles (at least no differences that couldn't be discussed in a single article), and both of the articles are rather small compared to the other articles in
History of Western fashion (granted they are newer). Opinions?--
Tabun1015 20:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:Also, I'm talking about a possible eventual merge. I agree that we should wait and see how the two articles develop for a while. I just think it should be considered.--
Tabun1015 20:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, I agree with Johnbod. I think that the organization by century allows more consistency and depth, especially considering the rapid growth of this article!--
Tabun1015 02:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
PKM 19:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
We should do one for this. It's come on really nicely, putting the next century really to shame! Johnbod 02:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that any of the following things could be made into a DYK, with a little work on the wording:
"A fashion for parti-coloured garments made of two contrasting fabrics, one on each side, arose in mid-century, and was especially popular at the English court." | (Some mention of the invention of the handkerchief) | "Woodblock printing of cloth was known throughout the century, and was probably fairly common by the end" | "Ermine was worn by royalty, with tufts of black fur worked through the white for decorative effect" |
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I especially think that the first one would be great.-- Tabun1015 00:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
-perhaps? We have a nice small pic for that, and could offer alternatives (they'll check the article anyway). Thats really spelling it out, but I think that might be best. Johnbod 00:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I revised the draft that you made up so that it links to the article, and added the picture. Look good to you?
*...that parti-coloured clothes, divided into different colours on the left and right when viewed from the front, became popular in late 14th century fashion, especially in England?article created by Tabun1015, nominated by "" |
-- Tabun1015 16:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Great - stick it on Johnbod 17:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you suppose we should remove that "expert-subject|Middle Ages" tag yet? I think Johnbod is our qualified expert. - PKM 02:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
No - that's you! But yes let's take it off. I'll do Johnbod 03:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I should say I've seen a reputable reference that the Chaucer pic may be as late as 1415. I must say I find this odd, as Richard the II was dead by February 1400, and I can't see why a portrait of him made 15 years later, under Henry V, would then have his face scrubbed out, as this one does. Unlike his father, Henry V respected the memory of RII, built his tomb etc. I will try to find out more. The resolution isn't great anyway, though the image is. Johnbod 03:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
"Woodblock printing of cloth was known throughout the century, and was probably fairly common by the end; this is hard to assess as artists understandably tended to avoid trying to depict patterned cloth."
No, I don't understand. why did artists tend to avoid trying to depict patterned cloth? -- mgaved 12:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added some headings and subheadings to this to breakup the long pieces of text and to bring the structure more in line with the other articles in the series. Also added a number of additional images from a 14th century Tacuinum Sanitatis and created the working class clothing section. - PKM 22:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this statement from the end of the first paragraph pending a citation - can anyone corrroborate this?
Thanks - PKM 01:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this statement from "general trends" pending a citation, as the request of User:Daniel_Case.
- PKM 23:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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Title says it's 1300-1400 in fashion, but this is misleading because it's talking about Europe only making this Eurocentric article. Please either consider making it a worldwide article per Wikipedia standards or renaming the article so the contents are clear.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 15:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
"smells that the garments emmited were rather dusty and infrelenkip." This sentence is not capitalized, includes a spelling error, and ends with a nonsense word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.196.161.146 ( talk) 00:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Say, have you considered mentioning Europe in the lead paragraph? The categories suggest that's the focus here, but if so it'd be good to say so explicitly. Thanks, William Pietri 04:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
As I read through the article, I notice that I've used the word "generally" in just about every sentence. If somebody could reword it so that "generally" isn't used as often, I would appreciate it.-- Tabun1015 14:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we move 1300-1400 in fashion and 1400-1500 in fashion to Medieval costume 1300-1400 and Medieval costume 1400-1500. I am not convinced that "fashion" as we think of it really applies to European clothing in the Middle Ages. We can then fill in the earlier medieval periods as we go.
I would like consensus from other editors working on these articles before making the change.
Can we discuss here? - PKM 17:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I must say I don't especially see this as a problem. There certainly was fashion during this period; it might not have been very fast-moving by modern standards, especially lower down the social scale, but I would object more strongly to any suggestion that fashion in Europe was a Renaissance invention than to anything else. Johnbod 18:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be fitting to merge the
1300-1400 and
1400-1500 articles into one article about
Late Medieval Fashion. I doubt that there is enough difference between the two centuries to merit separate articles (at least no differences that couldn't be discussed in a single article), and both of the articles are rather small compared to the other articles in
History of Western fashion (granted they are newer). Opinions?--
Tabun1015 20:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:Also, I'm talking about a possible eventual merge. I agree that we should wait and see how the two articles develop for a while. I just think it should be considered.--
Tabun1015 20:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, I agree with Johnbod. I think that the organization by century allows more consistency and depth, especially considering the rapid growth of this article!--
Tabun1015 02:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
PKM 19:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
We should do one for this. It's come on really nicely, putting the next century really to shame! Johnbod 02:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that any of the following things could be made into a DYK, with a little work on the wording:
"A fashion for parti-coloured garments made of two contrasting fabrics, one on each side, arose in mid-century, and was especially popular at the English court." | (Some mention of the invention of the handkerchief) | "Woodblock printing of cloth was known throughout the century, and was probably fairly common by the end" | "Ermine was worn by royalty, with tufts of black fur worked through the white for decorative effect" |
---|
I especially think that the first one would be great.-- Tabun1015 00:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
-perhaps? We have a nice small pic for that, and could offer alternatives (they'll check the article anyway). Thats really spelling it out, but I think that might be best. Johnbod 00:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I revised the draft that you made up so that it links to the article, and added the picture. Look good to you?
*...that parti-coloured clothes, divided into different colours on the left and right when viewed from the front, became popular in late 14th century fashion, especially in England?article created by Tabun1015, nominated by "" |
-- Tabun1015 16:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Great - stick it on Johnbod 17:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you suppose we should remove that "expert-subject|Middle Ages" tag yet? I think Johnbod is our qualified expert. - PKM 02:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
No - that's you! But yes let's take it off. I'll do Johnbod 03:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I should say I've seen a reputable reference that the Chaucer pic may be as late as 1415. I must say I find this odd, as Richard the II was dead by February 1400, and I can't see why a portrait of him made 15 years later, under Henry V, would then have his face scrubbed out, as this one does. Unlike his father, Henry V respected the memory of RII, built his tomb etc. I will try to find out more. The resolution isn't great anyway, though the image is. Johnbod 03:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
"Woodblock printing of cloth was known throughout the century, and was probably fairly common by the end; this is hard to assess as artists understandably tended to avoid trying to depict patterned cloth."
No, I don't understand. why did artists tend to avoid trying to depict patterned cloth? -- mgaved 12:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added some headings and subheadings to this to breakup the long pieces of text and to bring the structure more in line with the other articles in the series. Also added a number of additional images from a 14th century Tacuinum Sanitatis and created the working class clothing section. - PKM 22:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this statement from the end of the first paragraph pending a citation - can anyone corrroborate this?
Thanks - PKM 01:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this statement from "general trends" pending a citation, as the request of User:Daniel_Case.
- PKM 23:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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Title says it's 1300-1400 in fashion, but this is misleading because it's talking about Europe only making this Eurocentric article. Please either consider making it a worldwide article per Wikipedia standards or renaming the article so the contents are clear.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 15:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
"smells that the garments emmited were rather dusty and infrelenkip." This sentence is not capitalized, includes a spelling error, and ends with a nonsense word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.196.161.146 ( talk) 00:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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