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Is *Dyeus related to Deva, or does the name only bear a superficial resemblance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_deity
related, but not derived directly. Deva is from *deiv-o-. dab (ᛏ) 11:31, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ancient anthropomorphic stone stela (Ukraine), possibly depicting an early variant of a god related to Dyeus
"possibly"? "variant"? "related"? The above caption of the picture seems highly conjectural -- [jon] [talk] 14:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
there is some truth in this, but unfortunately it doesn't belong on this article. This is due to confusion of *dyeus and *deivo which were related, but not identical words. Also, why bother with modern Persian when we have the Avestan word, daeva. This point would belong on
deva. *Dyeus appears to have been pretty pale at the time of Indo-Iranian unity already, and the suggested split (not entirely accurately described above) concerned two classes of gods the asuras (
Aesir) and the daivas or "heavenly ones". *Dyeus doesn't really enter into this.
dab
(ᛏ) 08:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
To say that Germans turned Dyeus into a featureless, pale nonentity is overstated. The Old Norse did so by saga times, but the cult of Tiw/Tiwaz was certainly very important in other areas.
I removed the statement implying that Dyeus was a weather god. There was such a god in Proto-Indo-European times (at least according to Brian Branston's The Lost Gods of England), but he was distinct. From him came Thor, Indra and the nameless Hittite Weather God. I mean, this very article itself further down distinguishes Dyeus from Thor and Indra. I would assume, rather, that some versions of Dyeus (Zeus, for example) assimilated characteristics of this other god, not the other way round (of course, that's just my theory and to include it would be original research). elvenscout742 21:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Is Jehova related etymologically? It souns similar, and it would fit the concept. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uberisaac ( talk • contribs) .
This is discussed at length in several places on Talk:Tetragrammaton. AnonMoos 16:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
(Sock edit removed)
Maybe Dyeus is related to Dieu, french word for God. -- Neotenic 14:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Is it also likely that the Sanskrit word deva originates from Dyeus (and thus is a cognate of deus)? Jon Harald Søby 01:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I thought I should add that the Welsh word for God is Duw... it seems related, but I'm not sure where it should go if at all.
There are a couple of words spelt with a subscripted '2' in the middle of them. How could this possibly be pronounced? Was this by any chance intended as something else, put in with some goofy Windoze character set in mind, and converted by robot to this form? ;Bear 10:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Article states Indra cannot be traced to IE. Even though I am no linguist I think it should be related to Sanskrit nar, Greek anḗr/andrós and Sabine nerō. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 10:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there any cognity to Greek the Greek word theos? I mean they seem strikingly similar, practically only different by changing the voiced aspiration y to a voiceless h, but that's nonlinguistically said. -- 91.34.219.10 ( talk) 17:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Need I say more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.202.90.53 ( talk) 12:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You are absolutely right. Jesus real name is "ISA", denoted as "IS" in original scripture. "Jesus" may be a mix of Dyeus, Dionysus, and Isa. PBWY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.129.189 ( talk) 17:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
I have one more question. Does the verb "dyeu" exist in the Indo-European language? I think "Dyeus" comes from this verb but I want to get more information about it.
Is there any connection between "Dyeus" and "deiwos"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! I still have a question. Which came first: "Dyeus" or "deiwos"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Possibly the two split off simultaneously, which is the implication of discussion above. The relevant point seems to be that 'deiwos' went on to form 'tiwas' in Celtic Europe whereas 'dyeus' formed deva but that the two words could have split a lot earlier so that therefore you can't postulate a connection between 'deva' and 'tiwas'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.227.30 ( talk) 17:22, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The article states that the latin word "Deus" was originally used to address Jupiter. Can anyone give me more information about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Edited - discussion useless. Suggesting The Dewa, reflecting cultural and written form changes since then, so it gains the necessary contemporary meaning. Senseless versions of Dyeus with specials signs or not, is outdated. (obviously). "The Dewa has no company" though, fits the now typical monotheistic teaching.
I've removed the mention of a *Pltwih2 Méh2ter due to it still not being sourced despite the citation needed tag having been there for over one and a half years. It sounds plausible enough but at the same time feels like it was merely a personal theory. As for why I'm deleting it instead of waiting for additional sources, try a Google search for "Pltwih2 Méh2ter" or "Pltvi Mhter" (used in an earlier version). The only results are from web pages that directly copy from this very Wiki page (illustrating that it does not, in fact, exist in any other sources) and will continue to do so. It's better to remove the whole mention before this dubious claim spreads further. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) ( talk) 11:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if this source will work, as the goddess was uncited since 2004, but I have found she is mentioned in this, excerpts from a 2016 conference in Zagreb, Croatia, hosted by the Institute of Archaeology. -- 173.0.251.59 ( talk) 20:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Could "Daylight-Sky-God"[sic] be replaced by "god of the daylight sky" (a more usual form in English)? AnonMoos ( talk) 09:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
A source that discusses the role of Dagda in the Celtic pantheon:
Raydon Valéry. Le Dagda, dieu de l'orage du panthéon irlandais ? Un écueil du comparatisme interceltique. In: Dialogues d'histoire ancienne, vol. 39, n°1, 2013. pp. 75-105. www.persee.fr/doc/dha_0755-7256_2013_num_39_1_3820 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.218.212.120 ( talk) 00:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that a recent article from Professor Hrach Martirosyan (who proposes Ayg as a reflex of *Haeusos) has suggested that Urartian Sun god Shivini may be a borrowing from Hittite language.
Source: Martirosyan, Hrach (2019), “Traces of Indo-European ‘Father Sky, God’ in Armenian”, in U. Bläsing, J. Dum-Tragut, T.M. van Lint, editors, Armenian, Hittite, and Indo-European Studies: A Commemoration Volume for Jos J.S. Weitenberg (Hebrew University Armenian Studies; 15), Leuven: Peeters, pages 195–19600:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5CE7:8E72:C15D:CA7C:27B9:E2DC ( talk)
Sorry no links but I know just from nomenclature and linguistic evidence that "Tiwaz" is Proto-Germanic and Proto-Norse and his name means and is cognate with Dyaus-Zeus-Jupiter et al. Primitive Tiwaz became Tiw in England and Tir in Iceland and Tyr in Germania. The evidence based on names alone seems no less strongly "speculation-but-highly-probable" as the rest of the " * " ("unattested") information here, submitted for the other PIE cognate deities.
His name, Tiwaz, appears as the Rune of the same name in the Elder futhork, which is not speculation or original research or fringe pseudo-history but good, solid widely available and accepted scholarship. (I don't mean to sound defensive but I want to cut off possible attacks before they hatch.) He is said to be the only Norse God who has His own eponymous Rune, Tiwaz, like a bow-roofed T or like His sacred Spear. His ancientry makes him a proper candidate for being a full fledged member of this cognate clan of Iron age sky-fathers. It is true that he is less well-known than some but that is because many of his attributes were taken over by fascinating newcomer, Wotan-Odinn, father (of thor and others,) husband (of Frigg,) and master of wisdom and Magick.
Tiwaz was a wounded lawgiver, Father God and dispenser of "right governance" and justice. He was superseded by Odinn as "father of the gods" but most modern historians of the subject believe that Odinn was a recent Anatolian or other import, whereas Tiwaz was PIE-stamp of approval ancient, of a generation with Varuna and the rest, and therefor "native" in the sense of going back as far as you care to go and beyond.
He did indeed as pointed out name our day of the week Tuesday ("Tiw's Day" ) as Odinn and Thor named Wednesday and Thursday, in an imperfect classical-Norse syncretism. (Thor would make a better Mars day War God and Tiw a Jove's day Father-sky-God in every respect except that Thor was also the Thunderer like Jupiter-Jove.)
If I can supply references is there any reason why Germanic Tiw-Tyr-Tiwaz cannot be made a member of this Pan-PIE Pantheon and not be relegated to "doubtful" status?
Thank you for your attention and time. 2601:643:8403:9220:780B:2FB:B9E0:E77E ( talk) 14:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Same topic, fresh start.
I don't understand any of this. The question seems to be, are these different Indo-European words that refer to Sky-gods, light, godliness, kingship, etc, related or are they not related? Zeus, Deus, Theos, dyaus-pitar, Jupiter, Tiwaz . . . I'm not arguing that they're related because they "look the same." I'm arguing that they are related because they ARE the same! Organically, by original vocabulary, in a manner that is reasonable, accepted, well-documented, fair, and should be readily accepted by any reasonable, skeptical, open-minded person.
Here is a quotation from the wikipedia page, Vrddhi (sorry no diacritic) on related words in, or derived from, sanskrit:
PIE *diw-, zero grade of *dyḗu-s "sky"→ *deyw-os "god, sky god" (Vedic devás, Latin deus, etc.)
It actually says that, on the web page! They are related through a common Sanskrit root!
Thoes is different from Deus, is different from Devas, is different from Zeus? No, they're not! Different, Greek roots, sure, different Latin ways searching out their derivations . . . but the G*^$#$forblasted Roots are Gossfer&*&%%$dammten related! The words are related, through their common Sanskrit Vriddhi! What more do you want?
Frankly, it completely baffles me why so many intelligent people wish to assert the opposite. Would be glad to learn, if such a good reason exists.
Sincerely and with respect,
<{: )}>
BaalShemRa ( talk) 16:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 15:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Dyeus → Dyēus – more appropriate title, the redirection should be the other way around, see WP:TITLESPECIALCHARACTERS Alcaios ( talk) 17:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Primefac ( talk) 18:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Most linguists reconstruct the name as *Djḗus or *Djēus.". So then, why are to showing preference to "Djēus" over "Djḗus" (per the way your move request is structured?) Steel1943 ( talk) 16:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Ffranc: why did you remove infobox? Your explanation doesn't make any sense. Where do you see any "biblical" thinking here? Succerssors mean continuators of PIE *Dyeus and it was correct because article is created that way and there was nothing misleading. Even author of this article agreed to this infobox. Sławobóg ( talk) 13:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I was reading this article and immediately thought about Jesus but I saw that it was already discussed above. Maybe it would be nice to include some information about the (lack of) connection? - Klein Muçi ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The short short summary is that the more linguistic expertise and knowledge of the subject someone has, the less likely they are to think that there's any etymological relationship between Zeus and Jesus. Yes, that's why we can put a paragraph of some sort, either here or on the article, explaining exactly that, for the people that lack such linguistic expertise and knowledge. After all, folk etymology is a real thing. That would clarify things up and if the said paragraph was put in the article instead of here, it could also lower the possibility for discussions such as the one we're having now to restart in the future. — Klein Muçi ( talk) 07:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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Is *Dyeus related to Deva, or does the name only bear a superficial resemblance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_deity
related, but not derived directly. Deva is from *deiv-o-. dab (ᛏ) 11:31, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ancient anthropomorphic stone stela (Ukraine), possibly depicting an early variant of a god related to Dyeus
"possibly"? "variant"? "related"? The above caption of the picture seems highly conjectural -- [jon] [talk] 14:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
there is some truth in this, but unfortunately it doesn't belong on this article. This is due to confusion of *dyeus and *deivo which were related, but not identical words. Also, why bother with modern Persian when we have the Avestan word, daeva. This point would belong on
deva. *Dyeus appears to have been pretty pale at the time of Indo-Iranian unity already, and the suggested split (not entirely accurately described above) concerned two classes of gods the asuras (
Aesir) and the daivas or "heavenly ones". *Dyeus doesn't really enter into this.
dab
(ᛏ) 08:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
To say that Germans turned Dyeus into a featureless, pale nonentity is overstated. The Old Norse did so by saga times, but the cult of Tiw/Tiwaz was certainly very important in other areas.
I removed the statement implying that Dyeus was a weather god. There was such a god in Proto-Indo-European times (at least according to Brian Branston's The Lost Gods of England), but he was distinct. From him came Thor, Indra and the nameless Hittite Weather God. I mean, this very article itself further down distinguishes Dyeus from Thor and Indra. I would assume, rather, that some versions of Dyeus (Zeus, for example) assimilated characteristics of this other god, not the other way round (of course, that's just my theory and to include it would be original research). elvenscout742 21:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Is Jehova related etymologically? It souns similar, and it would fit the concept. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uberisaac ( talk • contribs) .
This is discussed at length in several places on Talk:Tetragrammaton. AnonMoos 16:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
(Sock edit removed)
Maybe Dyeus is related to Dieu, french word for God. -- Neotenic 14:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Is it also likely that the Sanskrit word deva originates from Dyeus (and thus is a cognate of deus)? Jon Harald Søby 01:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I thought I should add that the Welsh word for God is Duw... it seems related, but I'm not sure where it should go if at all.
There are a couple of words spelt with a subscripted '2' in the middle of them. How could this possibly be pronounced? Was this by any chance intended as something else, put in with some goofy Windoze character set in mind, and converted by robot to this form? ;Bear 10:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Article states Indra cannot be traced to IE. Even though I am no linguist I think it should be related to Sanskrit nar, Greek anḗr/andrós and Sabine nerō. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 10:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there any cognity to Greek the Greek word theos? I mean they seem strikingly similar, practically only different by changing the voiced aspiration y to a voiceless h, but that's nonlinguistically said. -- 91.34.219.10 ( talk) 17:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Need I say more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.202.90.53 ( talk) 12:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You are absolutely right. Jesus real name is "ISA", denoted as "IS" in original scripture. "Jesus" may be a mix of Dyeus, Dionysus, and Isa. PBWY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.129.189 ( talk) 17:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
I have one more question. Does the verb "dyeu" exist in the Indo-European language? I think "Dyeus" comes from this verb but I want to get more information about it.
Is there any connection between "Dyeus" and "deiwos"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! I still have a question. Which came first: "Dyeus" or "deiwos"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Possibly the two split off simultaneously, which is the implication of discussion above. The relevant point seems to be that 'deiwos' went on to form 'tiwas' in Celtic Europe whereas 'dyeus' formed deva but that the two words could have split a lot earlier so that therefore you can't postulate a connection between 'deva' and 'tiwas'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.227.30 ( talk) 17:22, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The article states that the latin word "Deus" was originally used to address Jupiter. Can anyone give me more information about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakoto022016 ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Edited - discussion useless. Suggesting The Dewa, reflecting cultural and written form changes since then, so it gains the necessary contemporary meaning. Senseless versions of Dyeus with specials signs or not, is outdated. (obviously). "The Dewa has no company" though, fits the now typical monotheistic teaching.
I've removed the mention of a *Pltwih2 Méh2ter due to it still not being sourced despite the citation needed tag having been there for over one and a half years. It sounds plausible enough but at the same time feels like it was merely a personal theory. As for why I'm deleting it instead of waiting for additional sources, try a Google search for "Pltwih2 Méh2ter" or "Pltvi Mhter" (used in an earlier version). The only results are from web pages that directly copy from this very Wiki page (illustrating that it does not, in fact, exist in any other sources) and will continue to do so. It's better to remove the whole mention before this dubious claim spreads further. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) ( talk) 11:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if this source will work, as the goddess was uncited since 2004, but I have found she is mentioned in this, excerpts from a 2016 conference in Zagreb, Croatia, hosted by the Institute of Archaeology. -- 173.0.251.59 ( talk) 20:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Could "Daylight-Sky-God"[sic] be replaced by "god of the daylight sky" (a more usual form in English)? AnonMoos ( talk) 09:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
A source that discusses the role of Dagda in the Celtic pantheon:
Raydon Valéry. Le Dagda, dieu de l'orage du panthéon irlandais ? Un écueil du comparatisme interceltique. In: Dialogues d'histoire ancienne, vol. 39, n°1, 2013. pp. 75-105. www.persee.fr/doc/dha_0755-7256_2013_num_39_1_3820 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.218.212.120 ( talk) 00:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that a recent article from Professor Hrach Martirosyan (who proposes Ayg as a reflex of *Haeusos) has suggested that Urartian Sun god Shivini may be a borrowing from Hittite language.
Source: Martirosyan, Hrach (2019), “Traces of Indo-European ‘Father Sky, God’ in Armenian”, in U. Bläsing, J. Dum-Tragut, T.M. van Lint, editors, Armenian, Hittite, and Indo-European Studies: A Commemoration Volume for Jos J.S. Weitenberg (Hebrew University Armenian Studies; 15), Leuven: Peeters, pages 195–19600:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5CE7:8E72:C15D:CA7C:27B9:E2DC ( talk)
Sorry no links but I know just from nomenclature and linguistic evidence that "Tiwaz" is Proto-Germanic and Proto-Norse and his name means and is cognate with Dyaus-Zeus-Jupiter et al. Primitive Tiwaz became Tiw in England and Tir in Iceland and Tyr in Germania. The evidence based on names alone seems no less strongly "speculation-but-highly-probable" as the rest of the " * " ("unattested") information here, submitted for the other PIE cognate deities.
His name, Tiwaz, appears as the Rune of the same name in the Elder futhork, which is not speculation or original research or fringe pseudo-history but good, solid widely available and accepted scholarship. (I don't mean to sound defensive but I want to cut off possible attacks before they hatch.) He is said to be the only Norse God who has His own eponymous Rune, Tiwaz, like a bow-roofed T or like His sacred Spear. His ancientry makes him a proper candidate for being a full fledged member of this cognate clan of Iron age sky-fathers. It is true that he is less well-known than some but that is because many of his attributes were taken over by fascinating newcomer, Wotan-Odinn, father (of thor and others,) husband (of Frigg,) and master of wisdom and Magick.
Tiwaz was a wounded lawgiver, Father God and dispenser of "right governance" and justice. He was superseded by Odinn as "father of the gods" but most modern historians of the subject believe that Odinn was a recent Anatolian or other import, whereas Tiwaz was PIE-stamp of approval ancient, of a generation with Varuna and the rest, and therefor "native" in the sense of going back as far as you care to go and beyond.
He did indeed as pointed out name our day of the week Tuesday ("Tiw's Day" ) as Odinn and Thor named Wednesday and Thursday, in an imperfect classical-Norse syncretism. (Thor would make a better Mars day War God and Tiw a Jove's day Father-sky-God in every respect except that Thor was also the Thunderer like Jupiter-Jove.)
If I can supply references is there any reason why Germanic Tiw-Tyr-Tiwaz cannot be made a member of this Pan-PIE Pantheon and not be relegated to "doubtful" status?
Thank you for your attention and time. 2601:643:8403:9220:780B:2FB:B9E0:E77E ( talk) 14:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Same topic, fresh start.
I don't understand any of this. The question seems to be, are these different Indo-European words that refer to Sky-gods, light, godliness, kingship, etc, related or are they not related? Zeus, Deus, Theos, dyaus-pitar, Jupiter, Tiwaz . . . I'm not arguing that they're related because they "look the same." I'm arguing that they are related because they ARE the same! Organically, by original vocabulary, in a manner that is reasonable, accepted, well-documented, fair, and should be readily accepted by any reasonable, skeptical, open-minded person.
Here is a quotation from the wikipedia page, Vrddhi (sorry no diacritic) on related words in, or derived from, sanskrit:
PIE *diw-, zero grade of *dyḗu-s "sky"→ *deyw-os "god, sky god" (Vedic devás, Latin deus, etc.)
It actually says that, on the web page! They are related through a common Sanskrit root!
Thoes is different from Deus, is different from Devas, is different from Zeus? No, they're not! Different, Greek roots, sure, different Latin ways searching out their derivations . . . but the G*^$#$forblasted Roots are Gossfer&*&%%$dammten related! The words are related, through their common Sanskrit Vriddhi! What more do you want?
Frankly, it completely baffles me why so many intelligent people wish to assert the opposite. Would be glad to learn, if such a good reason exists.
Sincerely and with respect,
<{: )}>
BaalShemRa ( talk) 16:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 15:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Dyeus → Dyēus – more appropriate title, the redirection should be the other way around, see WP:TITLESPECIALCHARACTERS Alcaios ( talk) 17:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Primefac ( talk) 18:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Most linguists reconstruct the name as *Djḗus or *Djēus.". So then, why are to showing preference to "Djēus" over "Djḗus" (per the way your move request is structured?) Steel1943 ( talk) 16:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Ffranc: why did you remove infobox? Your explanation doesn't make any sense. Where do you see any "biblical" thinking here? Succerssors mean continuators of PIE *Dyeus and it was correct because article is created that way and there was nothing misleading. Even author of this article agreed to this infobox. Sławobóg ( talk) 13:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I was reading this article and immediately thought about Jesus but I saw that it was already discussed above. Maybe it would be nice to include some information about the (lack of) connection? - Klein Muçi ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The short short summary is that the more linguistic expertise and knowledge of the subject someone has, the less likely they are to think that there's any etymological relationship between Zeus and Jesus. Yes, that's why we can put a paragraph of some sort, either here or on the article, explaining exactly that, for the people that lack such linguistic expertise and knowledge. After all, folk etymology is a real thing. That would clarify things up and if the said paragraph was put in the article instead of here, it could also lower the possibility for discussions such as the one we're having now to restart in the future. — Klein Muçi ( talk) 07:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Walhaz which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 13:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)