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In looking over the list of cats, here are some things we might consider:
Just some thoughts to begin with. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 18:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I created this list regarding categories that I felt needed to be changed:
And for outright deletion:
Gay rights, to me, is just the generic term used for LGBT rights. I certainly have no problem with my rights being termed "gay" - it's just how most people recognise it. I also like being able to view bisexual people - it's a distinct category in its own right and I've looked through it many times looking for bisexual people. Regarding transgender though, I have no idea, so we need to ask Alice about that. I'll leave a note on her talkpage.
On the sexuality of certain figures, I suggest the same guideline I proposed for categorising bisexuals:
"We must be able to verify three circumstances:
Obbviously, this needs to be adapted, but I felt it was comprehensive. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It is true that transgender is not primarily a noun. One could easily argue the same for gay, lesbian and bisexual. Common usage may now see all of these other terms used as nouns but they all originated as adjectives. The question is whether usage of the word transgender has reached the same point in common usage progression as the other terms, wherein it becomes equally valid used as a noun or an adjective. I believe that there is a compelling body of usage on the internet to indicate that the word transgender has progressed to be interchangably noun and adjective.
If we wanted to avoid using transgender in a noun-like manner, we would need to determine whether we wanted to use the rather awkward, rarely used and potentially misunderstood term transgenderism or we wanted to use transgender people instead. The problem with using transgender people is that often there may be transgender portrayal without actual transgendered people being involved. For example, Category:Transgender in film could potentially contain articles about transgendered people who are played by non-TG actors, some articles about transgendered people in transgendered roles and some articles about films containing transgendered people playing nominally straight roles. One of the James Bond movies is an example of the latter - a TS played a Bond girl and it wasn't known that she was TS until after the film came out.
I guess that the first thing that we need to do, then, is decide whether common usage of transgender has made it acceptable for use as a noun. -- AliceJMarkham 22:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Dev, at one point you mentioned a number for how many LGBT-related categories there were. Did you by chance make a list? If so, would you email them to me? Thanks!!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Maruti d bhovi
ಮಾರುತಿ ಡಿ ಭೋವಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ ( talk) 06:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
There are several discussions going on right now at CFD on gay stuff -- see, e.g., Feb 1 "Various sportspeople" and Feb 1 "Fooian scientists" -- lquilter 00:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
While we are all eager to claim back our own, it seems that some people are not so keen to let us to so. I have come across several biographical articles where there has been "allegations" of homosexual relationships or intrest but with little proof available, the resolution of the question being subject to interpretation. I am thinking for example about Anne of Great Britain, Jarosław Kaczyński or Caravaggio (see discussion pages) or even Winston Churchill.
Would it be useful to create a category (and a suitable name would have to be found for it) which would indicate that the sexual orientation of the person has been questioned in some way? -- Zefrog 00:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Have copied it there. -- Zefrog 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Just wanted to ask if someone could either update the Categories page to also include the LGBT Rights Opposition page, or if it has already been done but I just can't find it. Thanks DrCrazy102 ( Talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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In looking over the list of cats, here are some things we might consider:
Just some thoughts to begin with. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 18:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I created this list regarding categories that I felt needed to be changed:
And for outright deletion:
Gay rights, to me, is just the generic term used for LGBT rights. I certainly have no problem with my rights being termed "gay" - it's just how most people recognise it. I also like being able to view bisexual people - it's a distinct category in its own right and I've looked through it many times looking for bisexual people. Regarding transgender though, I have no idea, so we need to ask Alice about that. I'll leave a note on her talkpage.
On the sexuality of certain figures, I suggest the same guideline I proposed for categorising bisexuals:
"We must be able to verify three circumstances:
Obbviously, this needs to be adapted, but I felt it was comprehensive. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It is true that transgender is not primarily a noun. One could easily argue the same for gay, lesbian and bisexual. Common usage may now see all of these other terms used as nouns but they all originated as adjectives. The question is whether usage of the word transgender has reached the same point in common usage progression as the other terms, wherein it becomes equally valid used as a noun or an adjective. I believe that there is a compelling body of usage on the internet to indicate that the word transgender has progressed to be interchangably noun and adjective.
If we wanted to avoid using transgender in a noun-like manner, we would need to determine whether we wanted to use the rather awkward, rarely used and potentially misunderstood term transgenderism or we wanted to use transgender people instead. The problem with using transgender people is that often there may be transgender portrayal without actual transgendered people being involved. For example, Category:Transgender in film could potentially contain articles about transgendered people who are played by non-TG actors, some articles about transgendered people in transgendered roles and some articles about films containing transgendered people playing nominally straight roles. One of the James Bond movies is an example of the latter - a TS played a Bond girl and it wasn't known that she was TS until after the film came out.
I guess that the first thing that we need to do, then, is decide whether common usage of transgender has made it acceptable for use as a noun. -- AliceJMarkham 22:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Dev, at one point you mentioned a number for how many LGBT-related categories there were. Did you by chance make a list? If so, would you email them to me? Thanks!!! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Maruti d bhovi
ಮಾರುತಿ ಡಿ ಭೋವಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ ( talk) 06:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
There are several discussions going on right now at CFD on gay stuff -- see, e.g., Feb 1 "Various sportspeople" and Feb 1 "Fooian scientists" -- lquilter 00:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
While we are all eager to claim back our own, it seems that some people are not so keen to let us to so. I have come across several biographical articles where there has been "allegations" of homosexual relationships or intrest but with little proof available, the resolution of the question being subject to interpretation. I am thinking for example about Anne of Great Britain, Jarosław Kaczyński or Caravaggio (see discussion pages) or even Winston Churchill.
Would it be useful to create a category (and a suitable name would have to be found for it) which would indicate that the sexual orientation of the person has been questioned in some way? -- Zefrog 00:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Have copied it there. -- Zefrog 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Just wanted to ask if someone could either update the Categories page to also include the LGBT Rights Opposition page, or if it has already been done but I just can't find it. Thanks DrCrazy102 ( Talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)