Even if
Armenians are not more closely related to the
Phrygians, many scholars think that there is some closer connection from common ancestors between
Greeks,
Phrygians and
Armenians and their languages that between them and other Indo-European peoples (as the model tree of
Donald Ringe and
Tandy Warnow).
Regardless of their
Ethnogenesis,
Armenians (
հայեր -
Hayer or
Հայք -
Hayq or
Hayk -
Հայկ - self name in their own language) are one of the oldest ethnic groups that live until modern times, they live or lived in the
Armenian Highlands and eastern
Asia Minor or
Anatolia, in the
historical regions of Armenia, and today's
Armenia for about or more than three millennia, by this standard they are clearly a native people of their land. Like many other, or even most, ethnic groups,
Armenian ethnogenensis and origin was the result of a complex process and blend between older and later peoples that formed a new ethnic identity.[1][2][3][4]
Proto-Armenians (possibly descendants of an eastward
Mushki according to some scholars,[2][14] or from an early native origin, Eastern
Mushki may have been a people of different origin from the Western
Mushki, according to other scholars)[15]
Possible Armenian peoples or contributors to the Armenians’ ethnogenesis
Hayasa-Azzians (in
Hayasa-Azzi, roughly in later
Upper Armenia) (the name “Hayasa” may have been an early form of “Hay” or "Hayots" - Armenians or Armenians')
A number of linguists have rejected a close relationship between Armenian and Phrygian, despite saying that the two languages do share some features.[18][19][20][21][22] Phrygian is now classified as a
centum language more closely related to Greek than Armenian, whereas Armenian is mostly
satem.[23]
Recent research suggests that there is lack of archaeological[24] and genetic evidence[25] for a group from the Balkans entering eastern
Asia Minor or the
Armenian Highlands during or after the Bronze Age Collapse (as was suggested by Diakonoff).
^PETROSYAN, Armen. (2007). "The Problem of Identification of Proto-Armenians: A Critical Review." in Journal of the Society for the Armenian Studies (JSAS), vol. 16
^
ab"The Armenians according to Diakonoff, are then an amalgam of the Hurrian (and Urartians),
Luvians [Luwians] and the Proto-Armenian Mushki who carried their IE [Indo-European] language eastwards across Anatolia. After arriving in its historical territory, Proto-Armenian would appear to have undergone massive influence by the languages it eventually replaced. Armenian phonology, for instance, appears to have been greatly affected by Urartian, which may suggest a long period of bilingualism." in "Armenians" in
Adams, Douglas Q. (1997).
Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis.
ISBN978-1-884964-98-5.
^
abEarly symbolic systems for communication in Southeast Europe, Part 2
by Lolita Nikolova,
ISBN1-84171-334-1, 2003, page 529, "eastern Paionians (Agrianians and Laeaeans)"
^The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, Robert B. Strassler,
Richard Crawley, and Victor Davis Hanson, 1998,
ISBN0-684-82790-5, page 153,"... of them still live round Physcasb- and the Almopians from Almopia.
^The Cambridge Ancient History, Martin Percival Charlesworth,
ISBN0-521-85073-8,
ISBN978-0-521-85073-5
Volume 4, Persia, Greece and the Western Mediterranean, C. 525 to 479 B.C, John Boardman, page 252, "The Paeonians were the earlier owners of some of these mines, but after their defeat in the coastal sector they maintained their independence in the mainland and coined large denominations in the upper Strymon and the Upper Axius area in the names of the Laeaei and the Derrones"
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 452, "... Then he passed through the country of the Doberes and Paeoplae (Paeonian tribes living north of Pangaeum), and continued in a ..."
^An Inventory of Archaic and Classical Poleis: An Investigation Conducted by The Copenhagen Polis Centre for the Danish National Research Foundation by Mogens Herman Hansen and Thomas Heine Nielsen, 2005,
ISBN0-19-814099-1, page 854, ... Various tribes have occupied this part of Thrace: Bisaltians (lower Strymon valley), Odomantes (the plain to the north of the Strymon) ...
^Thrace in the Graeco-Roman world, p. 112 but others claim that together with the Agrianes and Odomanti, at least the latter of which were with certainty Thracian, not Paeonian.
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 315, ... "was that a number of Paeonian tribes – the Siriopaeones, Paeoplae, ..."
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 315, "... was that a number of Paeonian tribes – the Siriopaeones, Paeoplae, ..."
^Hrach Martirosyan “Origins and historical development of the Armenian language” (p. 7-9) in Journal of Language Relationship, International Scientific Periodical, n.º10 (2013). Russian State University for the Humanities, Institute of Linguistics of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
^Clackson, J. P. T., 2008, “Classical Armenian”, in Woodard, R. D., The Ancient Languages of Asia Minor, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 124–143
^Martirosyan, H., 2013, “The place of Armenian in the Indo-European language family: the relationship with Greek and Indo-Iranian”, Journal of Language Relationship10, 85—13
^Hamp, Eric P. (August 2013). "The Expansion of the Indo-European Languages: An Indo-Europeanist's Evolving View" (PDF). Sino-Platonic Papers.
^Kim, Ronald (2018). "Greco-Armenian: The persistence of a myth". Indogermanische Forschungen. The University of British Columbia Library.
^Kossian, Aram V. (1997), "The Mushki Problem Reconsidered." pp. 260-261
^Haber, Marc; Mezzavilla, Massimo; Xue, Yali; Comas, David; Gasparini, Paolo; Zalloua, Pierre; Tyler-Smith, Chris (2015). "Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations". European Journal of Human Genetics. 24 (6): 931–6.
Even if
Armenians are not more closely related to the
Phrygians, many scholars think that there is some closer connection from common ancestors between
Greeks,
Phrygians and
Armenians and their languages that between them and other Indo-European peoples (as the model tree of
Donald Ringe and
Tandy Warnow).
Regardless of their
Ethnogenesis,
Armenians (
հայեր -
Hayer or
Հայք -
Hayq or
Hayk -
Հայկ - self name in their own language) are one of the oldest ethnic groups that live until modern times, they live or lived in the
Armenian Highlands and eastern
Asia Minor or
Anatolia, in the
historical regions of Armenia, and today's
Armenia for about or more than three millennia, by this standard they are clearly a native people of their land. Like many other, or even most, ethnic groups,
Armenian ethnogenensis and origin was the result of a complex process and blend between older and later peoples that formed a new ethnic identity.[1][2][3][4]
Proto-Armenians (possibly descendants of an eastward
Mushki according to some scholars,[2][14] or from an early native origin, Eastern
Mushki may have been a people of different origin from the Western
Mushki, according to other scholars)[15]
Possible Armenian peoples or contributors to the Armenians’ ethnogenesis
Hayasa-Azzians (in
Hayasa-Azzi, roughly in later
Upper Armenia) (the name “Hayasa” may have been an early form of “Hay” or "Hayots" - Armenians or Armenians')
A number of linguists have rejected a close relationship between Armenian and Phrygian, despite saying that the two languages do share some features.[18][19][20][21][22] Phrygian is now classified as a
centum language more closely related to Greek than Armenian, whereas Armenian is mostly
satem.[23]
Recent research suggests that there is lack of archaeological[24] and genetic evidence[25] for a group from the Balkans entering eastern
Asia Minor or the
Armenian Highlands during or after the Bronze Age Collapse (as was suggested by Diakonoff).
^PETROSYAN, Armen. (2007). "The Problem of Identification of Proto-Armenians: A Critical Review." in Journal of the Society for the Armenian Studies (JSAS), vol. 16
^
ab"The Armenians according to Diakonoff, are then an amalgam of the Hurrian (and Urartians),
Luvians [Luwians] and the Proto-Armenian Mushki who carried their IE [Indo-European] language eastwards across Anatolia. After arriving in its historical territory, Proto-Armenian would appear to have undergone massive influence by the languages it eventually replaced. Armenian phonology, for instance, appears to have been greatly affected by Urartian, which may suggest a long period of bilingualism." in "Armenians" in
Adams, Douglas Q. (1997).
Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis.
ISBN978-1-884964-98-5.
^
abEarly symbolic systems for communication in Southeast Europe, Part 2
by Lolita Nikolova,
ISBN1-84171-334-1, 2003, page 529, "eastern Paionians (Agrianians and Laeaeans)"
^The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, Robert B. Strassler,
Richard Crawley, and Victor Davis Hanson, 1998,
ISBN0-684-82790-5, page 153,"... of them still live round Physcasb- and the Almopians from Almopia.
^The Cambridge Ancient History, Martin Percival Charlesworth,
ISBN0-521-85073-8,
ISBN978-0-521-85073-5
Volume 4, Persia, Greece and the Western Mediterranean, C. 525 to 479 B.C, John Boardman, page 252, "The Paeonians were the earlier owners of some of these mines, but after their defeat in the coastal sector they maintained their independence in the mainland and coined large denominations in the upper Strymon and the Upper Axius area in the names of the Laeaei and the Derrones"
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 452, "... Then he passed through the country of the Doberes and Paeoplae (Paeonian tribes living north of Pangaeum), and continued in a ..."
^An Inventory of Archaic and Classical Poleis: An Investigation Conducted by The Copenhagen Polis Centre for the Danish National Research Foundation by Mogens Herman Hansen and Thomas Heine Nielsen, 2005,
ISBN0-19-814099-1, page 854, ... Various tribes have occupied this part of Thrace: Bisaltians (lower Strymon valley), Odomantes (the plain to the north of the Strymon) ...
^Thrace in the Graeco-Roman world, p. 112 but others claim that together with the Agrianes and Odomanti, at least the latter of which were with certainty Thracian, not Paeonian.
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 315, ... "was that a number of Paeonian tribes – the Siriopaeones, Paeoplae, ..."
^The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus, John M. Marincola, and Aubery de Selincourt,
ISBN0-14-044908-6, 2003, page 315, "... was that a number of Paeonian tribes – the Siriopaeones, Paeoplae, ..."
^Hrach Martirosyan “Origins and historical development of the Armenian language” (p. 7-9) in Journal of Language Relationship, International Scientific Periodical, n.º10 (2013). Russian State University for the Humanities, Institute of Linguistics of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
^Clackson, J. P. T., 2008, “Classical Armenian”, in Woodard, R. D., The Ancient Languages of Asia Minor, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 124–143
^Martirosyan, H., 2013, “The place of Armenian in the Indo-European language family: the relationship with Greek and Indo-Iranian”, Journal of Language Relationship10, 85—13
^Hamp, Eric P. (August 2013). "The Expansion of the Indo-European Languages: An Indo-Europeanist's Evolving View" (PDF). Sino-Platonic Papers.
^Kim, Ronald (2018). "Greco-Armenian: The persistence of a myth". Indogermanische Forschungen. The University of British Columbia Library.
^Kossian, Aram V. (1997), "The Mushki Problem Reconsidered." pp. 260-261
^Haber, Marc; Mezzavilla, Massimo; Xue, Yali; Comas, David; Gasparini, Paolo; Zalloua, Pierre; Tyler-Smith, Chris (2015). "Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations". European Journal of Human Genetics. 24 (6): 931–6.