Going forward, for simplicity, let's move all discussion to here, since this map is used in several different wikis:
Most countries have a constitutional mandate requiring universal health care, or designating health care as a right, and a lot of these on the map have not been colored orange/pink including: Mexico, Peru, China, Libya, Egypt, Kenya, Ethiopia, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Kazakhstan to name a few. All these countries have a legislated mandate for health care. ZacharyGeorgeNN ( talk) 00:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Turkey does have a universal healthcare system 94.123.194.206 ( talk) 13:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
So does China. -- GuyWithoutAUsername ( talk) 22:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Barbados, Belarus, Bhutan, Bulgaria, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Egypt, Georgia, Ghana, India, Iran, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, North Korea, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Serbia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Syria, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela should also be coloured orange because they have some type of universal health care as well.
User:Djodjo666 ( talk) 18:56, July 5, 2012 ( UTC)
Ok, let me clear up these "vague terms" for you: places that "have some type of" universal health care already have universal health care and places that are "attempting to achieve" universal health care don't have universal health care yet but are considering getting it. Whoever the hell you are, please try to think of the answers to questions like these yourself before bothering other people about them. I feel like I'm teaching a 2-year-old when I'm answering these questions because the answers are just so obvious that anyone who isn't completely brain dead can figure them out. I thank you for attempting to achieve knowledge like that because it means that at least you're interested in not being a clued-out idiot.
User:Djodjo666 ( talk) 14:45, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Very well then, you've shown me that you're more intelligent than my first impression of you made me believe. You've brought up some very good points here and I can tell you've done a lot of research. While explaining universal health care around the world in a detailed way such as you've suggested would be good for the article, the information presented on a diagram such as this map can only be so complex, so thus it must be heavily simplified as there isn't room on the map to go into great detail about each country's health care system.
Djodjo666, 2:56, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
The file has been updated, based on the paper: [5]. This paper provides a 3rd party classification of UHC, based on legislation and achievement of coverage metrics. If additional sources are found to demonstrate that additional countries meet these criteria, or if we want to add a refinement to the map (for example, listing all countries that have achieved 80% coverage of insurance or birth attendance), that should be considered.-- KarlB ( talk) 21:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The map created by Karl.brown/Obiwankenobi ( talk | contribs) on July 17, 2012 is inaccurate and misleading and its source is not reliable:
Which uses health insurance coverage percentages from Table A2.2. Formal coverage in social health protection on pages 83–90 of Appendix II in:
Which for OECD countries is based on 2003 statistics in:
But major discrepancies/errors are found in Table A2.2 of the 2008 ILO paper vs. OECD Total public and primary private health insurance coverage statistics for 2003 for Chile (96.0% vs. 66.1%), Israel (9.0% vs. 100%), Mexico (78.6% vs. 46.5%), United States (100% vs. 85.0%), making all ILO-based health insurance coverage data (and world maps based on it) unreliable.
In addition to being based on unreliable ILO health insurance coverage data, the 2010 Stuckler et al. symposium background paper has other problems:
This Wikipedia map was altered from the 2010 Stuckler et al. paper map to include an additional 17 countries that the paper (dubiously) says have passed health legislation that explicitly states that the entire population is covered by a health plan that grants them access to a core set of services, but have not achieved >90% skilled birth attendance (4 countries) or >90% health insurance coverage (12 countries + the United States which the ILO says has achieved 100% health insurance coverage but has not). This Wikipedia map highlights these 17 additional countries as: "Nations with legislated mandate for Universal health coverage, but which have not yet reached thresholds above." It is not credible to highlight El Salvador (ILO 59.6%), Bolivia (ILO 66.9%), and the Congo (ILO …%) as being closer to providing universal health care than Poland (OECD 97.5%), Lithuania (ILO …%), and Lebanon (ILO 95.1%).
Apatens (
talk) 16:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Mexico more or less has a universal health care system, as most hospitals, etc in urban areas are generally free/subsidized. -- HappyStumpy ( talk) 00:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The Isle of Man should be coloured green too (the small grey dot in the middle of the British Isles. It has the Isle of Man Health Service ( https://www.gov.im/dhss/) which offers universal coverage on the island and has reciprical health agreements with over 30 other countries including the UK and Ireland.-- XANIA - ЗAНИA Wikipedia talk | Wikibooks talk 21:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Going forward, for simplicity, let's move all discussion to here, since this map is used in several different wikis:
Most countries have a constitutional mandate requiring universal health care, or designating health care as a right, and a lot of these on the map have not been colored orange/pink including: Mexico, Peru, China, Libya, Egypt, Kenya, Ethiopia, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Kazakhstan to name a few. All these countries have a legislated mandate for health care. ZacharyGeorgeNN ( talk) 00:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Turkey does have a universal healthcare system 94.123.194.206 ( talk) 13:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
So does China. -- GuyWithoutAUsername ( talk) 22:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Barbados, Belarus, Bhutan, Bulgaria, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Egypt, Georgia, Ghana, India, Iran, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, North Korea, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Serbia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Syria, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela should also be coloured orange because they have some type of universal health care as well.
User:Djodjo666 ( talk) 18:56, July 5, 2012 ( UTC)
Ok, let me clear up these "vague terms" for you: places that "have some type of" universal health care already have universal health care and places that are "attempting to achieve" universal health care don't have universal health care yet but are considering getting it. Whoever the hell you are, please try to think of the answers to questions like these yourself before bothering other people about them. I feel like I'm teaching a 2-year-old when I'm answering these questions because the answers are just so obvious that anyone who isn't completely brain dead can figure them out. I thank you for attempting to achieve knowledge like that because it means that at least you're interested in not being a clued-out idiot.
User:Djodjo666 ( talk) 14:45, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Very well then, you've shown me that you're more intelligent than my first impression of you made me believe. You've brought up some very good points here and I can tell you've done a lot of research. While explaining universal health care around the world in a detailed way such as you've suggested would be good for the article, the information presented on a diagram such as this map can only be so complex, so thus it must be heavily simplified as there isn't room on the map to go into great detail about each country's health care system.
Djodjo666, 2:56, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
The file has been updated, based on the paper: [5]. This paper provides a 3rd party classification of UHC, based on legislation and achievement of coverage metrics. If additional sources are found to demonstrate that additional countries meet these criteria, or if we want to add a refinement to the map (for example, listing all countries that have achieved 80% coverage of insurance or birth attendance), that should be considered.-- KarlB ( talk) 21:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The map created by Karl.brown/Obiwankenobi ( talk | contribs) on July 17, 2012 is inaccurate and misleading and its source is not reliable:
Which uses health insurance coverage percentages from Table A2.2. Formal coverage in social health protection on pages 83–90 of Appendix II in:
Which for OECD countries is based on 2003 statistics in:
But major discrepancies/errors are found in Table A2.2 of the 2008 ILO paper vs. OECD Total public and primary private health insurance coverage statistics for 2003 for Chile (96.0% vs. 66.1%), Israel (9.0% vs. 100%), Mexico (78.6% vs. 46.5%), United States (100% vs. 85.0%), making all ILO-based health insurance coverage data (and world maps based on it) unreliable.
In addition to being based on unreliable ILO health insurance coverage data, the 2010 Stuckler et al. symposium background paper has other problems:
This Wikipedia map was altered from the 2010 Stuckler et al. paper map to include an additional 17 countries that the paper (dubiously) says have passed health legislation that explicitly states that the entire population is covered by a health plan that grants them access to a core set of services, but have not achieved >90% skilled birth attendance (4 countries) or >90% health insurance coverage (12 countries + the United States which the ILO says has achieved 100% health insurance coverage but has not). This Wikipedia map highlights these 17 additional countries as: "Nations with legislated mandate for Universal health coverage, but which have not yet reached thresholds above." It is not credible to highlight El Salvador (ILO 59.6%), Bolivia (ILO 66.9%), and the Congo (ILO …%) as being closer to providing universal health care than Poland (OECD 97.5%), Lithuania (ILO …%), and Lebanon (ILO 95.1%).
Apatens (
talk) 16:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Mexico more or less has a universal health care system, as most hospitals, etc in urban areas are generally free/subsidized. -- HappyStumpy ( talk) 00:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The Isle of Man should be coloured green too (the small grey dot in the middle of the British Isles. It has the Isle of Man Health Service ( https://www.gov.im/dhss/) which offers universal coverage on the island and has reciprical health agreements with over 30 other countries including the UK and Ireland.-- XANIA - ЗAНИA Wikipedia talk | Wikibooks talk 21:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)