Please update: the MNLA have taken Gao as of Mar 31/Apr 1 (depending on time zones). See here: [1] . Thank you Metaknowledge ( talk) 00:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Please update again: MNLA/Ancar Dine have taken Tombouctou as of Apr 1. See here: [2] . Thank you - Metaknowledge ( talk) 16:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Also taken: w:Ber, Mali. See here (Français): [3] Thank you Metaknowledge ( talk) 21:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Niafunke, Diré and Goundam are taken by the rebells. I don't have a source, but contact to some people there. There is no town left in teh north that is controlledby the Malien government or military (as all recent sources about the region tell).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.152.133.128 ( talk • contribs)
Which does red represent, and which grey? The map is not clear. Since they are different groups with very different aims, can they be put in different rows, specifying which color burst means which group?-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 15:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree. In fact, there probably shouldn't be two colors at all - the situation has changed a lot, and the MNLA rebels aren't known to control any towns at all anymore. Should we revert it? Evzob ( talk) 16:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
needs changed-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to improve the map showing the area bombing of the French Air Force. -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 18:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
-- Liquidinsurgency ( talk) 01:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The map is incorrect, it shows all towns as controlled by islamist - this is wrong many are controlled by MNLA! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomstewiki ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
This image was designed, and still appears to be for, a map of the Tuareg rebellion. The current situation is quite different. There is no more independence movement, the Islamists want an Islamic Mali, so having something such as "Area claimed" in a map involving Islamist control is wrong. It also no longer makes any sense to group the MNLA and the Islamists, as they are no longer allied, and the MNLA have lost the population centres anyway. I suggest this file is moved back to the end of the Tuareg rebellion, when they unilaterally declared a ceasefire, and the latest one uploaded under a new title, such as "Mali Islamist conflict" or something similar (no real preference on what it's called). Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 18:41, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
14 Jan 2013: en:Diabaly#January_2013_rebel_occupation. Boud ( talk) 21:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
en:Douentza: Defence Minister Le Drian announces Douentza retaken by Malian forces with French support: Liberation, Le Figaro - both cite a single Ministry communique. Boud ( talk) 16:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Anyone else think the map currently looks as if the French are bombing their own towns? -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 06:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I would like the airstrike symbols to be removed from the map since this distracts from the main purpose; to show who holds what. Also, I would like to ad a green (mali green) spiked thingie around government held towns. Any objections? -- U5K0 ( talk) 23:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Quick note, the date needs updating on the map to the 26th 176.255.163.206 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
A new movement has been created in Kidal See fr:Mouvement islamique de l'Azawad and FT/Reuters. It is no longer clear if Ansar Dine still controls Kidal or Menaka. Teofilo talk 14:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The French have taken Hombori: [6], [7], [8], etc. noclador ( talk) 13:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
French soldiers captured Léré. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/01/25/262489.html -- 77.21.26.124 ( talk) 18:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Unnamed city in the map(in blue) are named: Labbezanga (east - south of Gao)Sources: Labbezenga, Google Maps, OpenStreetMap... I'm not sure for the other unnamed city at the west maybe: Tilemsi. -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 00:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
What are the sources for MNLA holding some border towns on the map? EllsworthSK ( talk) 00:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
noclador ( talk) 13:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like the claim that Gao has been taken is contested. [10] We might need to change this back.-- Futuretrillionaire ( talk) 13:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The map shows an area of Malian/French control extending SW from Gao. News reports though said the French took a bridge over the Niger, and troops moved (or were expected to move) from there to Gao (see for example http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/world/africa/france-mali-intervention.html?hpw ). This would be to the SE of Gao. Some French troops were flown in (and have parachuted in elsewhere in Mali), so the frontline may be very fluid and hard to define, but it seems there should be an indication of Malian/French control at least in some part of the area SE of Gao. MayerG ( talk) 01:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The French are about to enter Léré: [12] noclador ( talk) 17:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need that red border indicating rebel-held territory? I find it very hard to edit, and it gives the misleading impression that all the rebel groups are "united".-- Futuretrillionaire ( talk) 19:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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Could the label "AQMI" be corrected to AQIM? I tried to do it myself, but I'm presuming the file is protected, because I get a "You cannot overwrite this file" error. Mnmazur ( talk)
It seems Timbuktu is now in control by French-Mali forces. Can anyone else confirm? http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/french-malian-troops-secure-timbuktu/137629/ http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758554.shtml http://www.euronews.com/2013/01/27/french-and-malian-forces-secure-timbuktu/ The cities in between Lere and Timbuktu lies within the road to Timbuktu, so probably in government control as well. Kadrun ( talk) 18:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Done- I've changed Timbuktu to contested.--
FutureTrillionaire (
talk)
20:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
It looks like the French and Malians have been fully retaken the city. [14]-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 20:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
MNLA claims to be in control of Kidal [15]. Should it be switched to contested until confirmation? EllsworthSK ( talk) 15:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed Kidal and Tessalit to under MNLA control, since the MNLA claim is not contested by anyone.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 20:13, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Pourquoi une carte aussi importante et sur un conflit impliquant la France est-elle en anglais ? On y compernd rien sans légende en français ! Merci de faire quelque chose — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.89.192.74 ( talk) 09:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Source: Map of France 24: http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/element_multimedia/image/carte%20mali%20new.JPG And 20 minutes (newspaper) : http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/mali/story/Les-islamistes-perdent-encore-du-terrain-16725479 > "Des soldats tchadiens et nigériens contrôlaient aussi les villes de Ménaka et Anderamboukane, près de la frontière avec le Niger" translation: Chadians and Nigerians soldiers controlled also the cities of Menaka and Anderamboukane, near the border of Niger.
ECOWAS control Menaka and Anderamboukane (border of Niger) -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 08:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
It misses an "i" and it should also have an acute accent on the "e".
146.50.144.75 (
talk) 11:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Done --
Orionist ★
talk
09:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
No Islamist presence in Dire [1]. Dire lies near the main road to Timbuktu from the south. It is most likely to be in Mali government control, but no sources say who actually controls Dire. Kadrun ( talk) 18:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Radio France Internationale - Les soldats tchadiens et nigériens sont quant à eux entrés ce mardi 29 janvier 2013 dans la localité d'Ansongo. - "Chadian and Nigerien soldiers entered Ansongo on 29 Jan 2013." Boud ( talk) 23:46, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/element_multimedia/image/Mali-carte_30-01.jpg Kidal was captured by the Malian and French forces. Tessalit is "contested". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdel-31 ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
The MNLA asserts that Kidal is controlled by cooperating MNLA and French forces, and denies that MIA maintains any presence in the city contrary to what is being reported. Unknown if this is confirmed, but I figured it worth mentioning. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 21:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Bourem under Niger and Chad forces control : RFI, Le Soir. -- 193.49.65.10 ( talk) 12:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Kidal are controlled: http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20130202-mali-armee-tchadienne-prend-position-kidal-mnla -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 11:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
MNLA claims they have menaka, move to mnla or contested control? http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/02/05/uk-mali-rebels-idUKBRE91410220130205 169.233.216.128 ( talk) 17:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Malian, French & Allied troops controls most of Northern Mali, there is no town controlled by the islamists anymore, Therefore the town "Ghourma Raous" should not be listed as held by Ansar Dine but by the Allied forces. Therefore, Allied troops entered Aguelhok and Tessalit today [17] [18] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Densaga ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
As the French/Malian forces have now retaken almost all of the rebel-held towns (with the taking of Kidal, Aguelhok and Tessalit, the small towns shown as remaining in rebel hands likely as much reflect incomplete information than incomplete recapture) the map is becoming progressively less informative in documenting the overall struggle. I have replaced it to show the historical holdings of the rebels, but perhaps a different style of illustrating the conflict would be better. Agricolae ( talk) 03:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The way the map is currently being used actually constitutes a sort of misinformation... and even if not for that, this is outdated. There should be a map showing the initial control and then the changes in control, perhaps with arrows and dates... -- Yalens ( talk) 15:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
146.50.145.80 ( talk) 11:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Please update: the MNLA have taken Gao as of Mar 31/Apr 1 (depending on time zones). See here: [1] . Thank you Metaknowledge ( talk) 00:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Please update again: MNLA/Ancar Dine have taken Tombouctou as of Apr 1. See here: [2] . Thank you - Metaknowledge ( talk) 16:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Also taken: w:Ber, Mali. See here (Français): [3] Thank you Metaknowledge ( talk) 21:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Niafunke, Diré and Goundam are taken by the rebells. I don't have a source, but contact to some people there. There is no town left in teh north that is controlledby the Malien government or military (as all recent sources about the region tell).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.152.133.128 ( talk • contribs)
Which does red represent, and which grey? The map is not clear. Since they are different groups with very different aims, can they be put in different rows, specifying which color burst means which group?-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 15:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree. In fact, there probably shouldn't be two colors at all - the situation has changed a lot, and the MNLA rebels aren't known to control any towns at all anymore. Should we revert it? Evzob ( talk) 16:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
needs changed-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
It would be nice to improve the map showing the area bombing of the French Air Force. -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 18:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
-- Liquidinsurgency ( talk) 01:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The map is incorrect, it shows all towns as controlled by islamist - this is wrong many are controlled by MNLA! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomstewiki ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
This image was designed, and still appears to be for, a map of the Tuareg rebellion. The current situation is quite different. There is no more independence movement, the Islamists want an Islamic Mali, so having something such as "Area claimed" in a map involving Islamist control is wrong. It also no longer makes any sense to group the MNLA and the Islamists, as they are no longer allied, and the MNLA have lost the population centres anyway. I suggest this file is moved back to the end of the Tuareg rebellion, when they unilaterally declared a ceasefire, and the latest one uploaded under a new title, such as "Mali Islamist conflict" or something similar (no real preference on what it's called). Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 18:41, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
14 Jan 2013: en:Diabaly#January_2013_rebel_occupation. Boud ( talk) 21:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
en:Douentza: Defence Minister Le Drian announces Douentza retaken by Malian forces with French support: Liberation, Le Figaro - both cite a single Ministry communique. Boud ( talk) 16:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Anyone else think the map currently looks as if the French are bombing their own towns? -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 06:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I would like the airstrike symbols to be removed from the map since this distracts from the main purpose; to show who holds what. Also, I would like to ad a green (mali green) spiked thingie around government held towns. Any objections? -- U5K0 ( talk) 23:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Quick note, the date needs updating on the map to the 26th 176.255.163.206 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
A new movement has been created in Kidal See fr:Mouvement islamique de l'Azawad and FT/Reuters. It is no longer clear if Ansar Dine still controls Kidal or Menaka. Teofilo talk 14:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The French have taken Hombori: [6], [7], [8], etc. noclador ( talk) 13:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
French soldiers captured Léré. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/01/25/262489.html -- 77.21.26.124 ( talk) 18:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Unnamed city in the map(in blue) are named: Labbezanga (east - south of Gao)Sources: Labbezenga, Google Maps, OpenStreetMap... I'm not sure for the other unnamed city at the west maybe: Tilemsi. -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 00:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
What are the sources for MNLA holding some border towns on the map? EllsworthSK ( talk) 00:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
noclador ( talk) 13:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like the claim that Gao has been taken is contested. [10] We might need to change this back.-- Futuretrillionaire ( talk) 13:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The map shows an area of Malian/French control extending SW from Gao. News reports though said the French took a bridge over the Niger, and troops moved (or were expected to move) from there to Gao (see for example http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/world/africa/france-mali-intervention.html?hpw ). This would be to the SE of Gao. Some French troops were flown in (and have parachuted in elsewhere in Mali), so the frontline may be very fluid and hard to define, but it seems there should be an indication of Malian/French control at least in some part of the area SE of Gao. MayerG ( talk) 01:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The French are about to enter Léré: [12] noclador ( talk) 17:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need that red border indicating rebel-held territory? I find it very hard to edit, and it gives the misleading impression that all the rebel groups are "united".-- Futuretrillionaire ( talk) 19:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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Could the label "AQMI" be corrected to AQIM? I tried to do it myself, but I'm presuming the file is protected, because I get a "You cannot overwrite this file" error. Mnmazur ( talk)
It seems Timbuktu is now in control by French-Mali forces. Can anyone else confirm? http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/french-malian-troops-secure-timbuktu/137629/ http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758554.shtml http://www.euronews.com/2013/01/27/french-and-malian-forces-secure-timbuktu/ The cities in between Lere and Timbuktu lies within the road to Timbuktu, so probably in government control as well. Kadrun ( talk) 18:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Done- I've changed Timbuktu to contested.--
FutureTrillionaire (
talk)
20:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
It looks like the French and Malians have been fully retaken the city. [14]-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 20:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
MNLA claims to be in control of Kidal [15]. Should it be switched to contested until confirmation? EllsworthSK ( talk) 15:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed Kidal and Tessalit to under MNLA control, since the MNLA claim is not contested by anyone.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 20:13, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Pourquoi une carte aussi importante et sur un conflit impliquant la France est-elle en anglais ? On y compernd rien sans légende en français ! Merci de faire quelque chose — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.89.192.74 ( talk) 09:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Source: Map of France 24: http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/element_multimedia/image/carte%20mali%20new.JPG And 20 minutes (newspaper) : http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/mali/story/Les-islamistes-perdent-encore-du-terrain-16725479 > "Des soldats tchadiens et nigériens contrôlaient aussi les villes de Ménaka et Anderamboukane, près de la frontière avec le Niger" translation: Chadians and Nigerians soldiers controlled also the cities of Menaka and Anderamboukane, near the border of Niger.
ECOWAS control Menaka and Anderamboukane (border of Niger) -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 08:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
It misses an "i" and it should also have an acute accent on the "e".
146.50.144.75 (
talk) 11:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Done --
Orionist ★
talk
09:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
No Islamist presence in Dire [1]. Dire lies near the main road to Timbuktu from the south. It is most likely to be in Mali government control, but no sources say who actually controls Dire. Kadrun ( talk) 18:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Radio France Internationale - Les soldats tchadiens et nigériens sont quant à eux entrés ce mardi 29 janvier 2013 dans la localité d'Ansongo. - "Chadian and Nigerien soldiers entered Ansongo on 29 Jan 2013." Boud ( talk) 23:46, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/element_multimedia/image/Mali-carte_30-01.jpg Kidal was captured by the Malian and French forces. Tessalit is "contested". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdel-31 ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
The MNLA asserts that Kidal is controlled by cooperating MNLA and French forces, and denies that MIA maintains any presence in the city contrary to what is being reported. Unknown if this is confirmed, but I figured it worth mentioning. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 21:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Bourem under Niger and Chad forces control : RFI, Le Soir. -- 193.49.65.10 ( talk) 12:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Kidal are controlled: http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20130202-mali-armee-tchadienne-prend-position-kidal-mnla -- Abdel-31 ( talk) 11:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
MNLA claims they have menaka, move to mnla or contested control? http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/02/05/uk-mali-rebels-idUKBRE91410220130205 169.233.216.128 ( talk) 17:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Malian, French & Allied troops controls most of Northern Mali, there is no town controlled by the islamists anymore, Therefore the town "Ghourma Raous" should not be listed as held by Ansar Dine but by the Allied forces. Therefore, Allied troops entered Aguelhok and Tessalit today [17] [18] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Densaga ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
As the French/Malian forces have now retaken almost all of the rebel-held towns (with the taking of Kidal, Aguelhok and Tessalit, the small towns shown as remaining in rebel hands likely as much reflect incomplete information than incomplete recapture) the map is becoming progressively less informative in documenting the overall struggle. I have replaced it to show the historical holdings of the rebels, but perhaps a different style of illustrating the conflict would be better. Agricolae ( talk) 03:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The way the map is currently being used actually constitutes a sort of misinformation... and even if not for that, this is outdated. There should be a map showing the initial control and then the changes in control, perhaps with arrows and dates... -- Yalens ( talk) 15:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
146.50.145.80 ( talk) 11:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)