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The result was keep. The initial discussion was about whether the sourcing of the article - both at the nomination and sources added later - meets the various WP:SIGCOV and WP:NPROF prongs; it seems like the consensus on that point was trending in favour of them meeting it. The accusations against the nominator are not a particularly good keep rationale. The later keep arguments along the lines of WP:NAUTHOR have gone uncontested from what I can see. All this suggests that people here have come to a keep consensus. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 13:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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All sources either have conflicts of interest with the person or are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person. I therefore believe (and a DuckDuckGo search confirms) that outside of sources he has a COI with, his own publications, or niche blogs there is not enough coverage of him to merit an article based on lack of notability. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 22:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
As can be seen, there are no reputable, independent sources that show Taner Edis is notable.
One of the conference participants, Taner Edis, said he never encountered creationist undertones when he was growing up in Turkey in the 1970s. “I first noticed creationism when I came to America for graduate school,” said Dr. Edis, now a professor of physics at Truman State University in Missouri. He thought it an American oddity. Some years later, while browsing a bookstore on a visit to Turkey, Dr. Edis found books about creationism filed in the science section. “It actually caught me by surprise,” he said. In Turkey, officially a secular government but now ruled by an Islamic party, the teaching of evolution has largely disappeared, at least below the university level, and the science curriculum in public schools is written in deference to religious beliefs, Dr. Edis said."
Who finances these efforts is “a big question that no one knows the answer to,” said another recipient, Taner Edis, a physicist at Truman State University in Missouri who studies issues of science and religion, particularly Islam. Dr. Edis grew up in a secular household in Turkey and has lived in the United States since enrolling in graduate school at Johns Hopkins, where he earned his doctorate in 1994. He said Mr. Yahya’s activities were usually described in the Turkish press as financed by donations. “But what that can mean is anybody’s guess,” he said. Support for creationism is also widespread among Muslims, said Dr. Edis, whose book “An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam” was published by Prometheus Books this spring. “Taken at face value, the Koran is a creationist text,” he said, adding that it would be difficult to find a scholar of Islam “who is going to be gung-ho about Darwin.”
7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. Criterion 7 may be satisfied, for example, if the person is frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area. A small number of quotations, especially in local news media, is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.
“That seems implausible -- this book is expensive,” said Taner Edis, a Turkish-American physicist whose 2007 book “An Illusion of Harmony” analyzed Islam’s approach to science. “And to my knowledge, it’s not selling like hotcakes.” Edis doubted the rumors of funds from U.S. creationists, saying: “American creationists I talk to basically envy Harun Yahya’s financial resources. If there were any fund flowing, it would be from Adnan Oktar to the creationists.”. Again, a passing mention about him where Edis's work isn't discussed at all. He is just talking about an islamic creationist having a lot of money. Additionally, my point was not the locality of the news, but the frequency and prominence of his mentions within the news articles. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
In his paper “‘Quran-science’: scientific miracles from the 7th century?”, Taner Edis notes that “Astronomy is fertile territory for the imaginations of apologists seeking to show that the Quran exhibits knowledge far beyond what would be possible in the 7th century environment of its origin”.The paper? a blog post. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
A small number of quotations is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
To count towards satisfying Criterion 1, citations need to occur in peer-reviewed scholarly publications such as journals or academic books.and
There are other considerations that may be used as contributing factors (usually not sufficient individually) towards satisfying Criterion 1: significant academic awards and honors (see below); service on editorial boards of scholarly publications; publications in especially prestigious and selective academic journals; publication of collected works; special conferences dedicated to honor academic achievements of a particular person; naming of academic awards or lecture series after a particular person; and others.Additionally,
For the purposes of partially satisfying Criterion 1, [...] Ordinary colloquia and seminar talks and invited lectures at scholarly conferences, standard research grants, named post-doctoral fellowships, visiting appointments, or internal university awards are insufficient for this purpose.. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 12:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person, but book reviews are evidence that an author is notable, per the relevant wiki-notability guideline. XOR'easter ( talk) 16:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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Linter errors. |
(No difference)
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The result was keep. The initial discussion was about whether the sourcing of the article - both at the nomination and sources added later - meets the various WP:SIGCOV and WP:NPROF prongs; it seems like the consensus on that point was trending in favour of them meeting it. The accusations against the nominator are not a particularly good keep rationale. The later keep arguments along the lines of WP:NAUTHOR have gone uncontested from what I can see. All this suggests that people here have come to a keep consensus. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 13:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
All sources either have conflicts of interest with the person or are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person. I therefore believe (and a DuckDuckGo search confirms) that outside of sources he has a COI with, his own publications, or niche blogs there is not enough coverage of him to merit an article based on lack of notability. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 22:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
As can be seen, there are no reputable, independent sources that show Taner Edis is notable.
One of the conference participants, Taner Edis, said he never encountered creationist undertones when he was growing up in Turkey in the 1970s. “I first noticed creationism when I came to America for graduate school,” said Dr. Edis, now a professor of physics at Truman State University in Missouri. He thought it an American oddity. Some years later, while browsing a bookstore on a visit to Turkey, Dr. Edis found books about creationism filed in the science section. “It actually caught me by surprise,” he said. In Turkey, officially a secular government but now ruled by an Islamic party, the teaching of evolution has largely disappeared, at least below the university level, and the science curriculum in public schools is written in deference to religious beliefs, Dr. Edis said."
Who finances these efforts is “a big question that no one knows the answer to,” said another recipient, Taner Edis, a physicist at Truman State University in Missouri who studies issues of science and religion, particularly Islam. Dr. Edis grew up in a secular household in Turkey and has lived in the United States since enrolling in graduate school at Johns Hopkins, where he earned his doctorate in 1994. He said Mr. Yahya’s activities were usually described in the Turkish press as financed by donations. “But what that can mean is anybody’s guess,” he said. Support for creationism is also widespread among Muslims, said Dr. Edis, whose book “An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam” was published by Prometheus Books this spring. “Taken at face value, the Koran is a creationist text,” he said, adding that it would be difficult to find a scholar of Islam “who is going to be gung-ho about Darwin.”
7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. Criterion 7 may be satisfied, for example, if the person is frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area. A small number of quotations, especially in local news media, is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.
“That seems implausible -- this book is expensive,” said Taner Edis, a Turkish-American physicist whose 2007 book “An Illusion of Harmony” analyzed Islam’s approach to science. “And to my knowledge, it’s not selling like hotcakes.” Edis doubted the rumors of funds from U.S. creationists, saying: “American creationists I talk to basically envy Harun Yahya’s financial resources. If there were any fund flowing, it would be from Adnan Oktar to the creationists.”. Again, a passing mention about him where Edis's work isn't discussed at all. He is just talking about an islamic creationist having a lot of money. Additionally, my point was not the locality of the news, but the frequency and prominence of his mentions within the news articles. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
In his paper “‘Quran-science’: scientific miracles from the 7th century?”, Taner Edis notes that “Astronomy is fertile territory for the imaginations of apologists seeking to show that the Quran exhibits knowledge far beyond what would be possible in the 7th century environment of its origin”.The paper? a blog post. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
A small number of quotations is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
To count towards satisfying Criterion 1, citations need to occur in peer-reviewed scholarly publications such as journals or academic books.and
There are other considerations that may be used as contributing factors (usually not sufficient individually) towards satisfying Criterion 1: significant academic awards and honors (see below); service on editorial boards of scholarly publications; publications in especially prestigious and selective academic journals; publication of collected works; special conferences dedicated to honor academic achievements of a particular person; naming of academic awards or lecture series after a particular person; and others.Additionally,
For the purposes of partially satisfying Criterion 1, [...] Ordinary colloquia and seminar talks and invited lectures at scholarly conferences, standard research grants, named post-doctoral fellowships, visiting appointments, or internal university awards are insufficient for this purpose.. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 12:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person, but book reviews are evidence that an author is notable, per the relevant wiki-notability guideline. XOR'easter ( talk) 16:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)