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Kansas uses K-X (Kansas highway) and Michigan uses M-X (Michigan highway). This seems to be a similar case, in that NC X seems to be the only term used. If that causes ambiguity, NC X (North Carolina highway) can be used to disambiguate. -- SPUI ( T - C) 09:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
What is "NC"? A naming convention? -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 17:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Kansas and Michigan still have "(Michigan highway)" and "(Kansas highway)" after them. Therefore, if we go through with the "NC x" format, should we add "(North Carolina highway)" after all the articles or just the ones that need a disambig? / I know at the naming convention there was no concensus on the "Route 4 (North Carolina)" format. / Well, the common language for US Highways is "US x". Everybody near my residence always says "get on US 52", but the article is named "U.S. Highway 52", which is the term printed on the green road signs. The NC road signs around here use the format "N.C. Hwy 150" for route 150. / I went looking for what popular websites and maps are using for our benefit. The NC Scenic Byway map uses the format: "N.C. Route x". Southeastroads.com uses "North Carolina x", http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nc/ uses "NC x", this article (Carolina journal) uses "N.C. Route x", the infamous ncroads.com site uses "N.C. x", the NCDOT sponsored Outer Banks Task Force uses "NC x", NC Ferry system uses "N.C. x", state-ends.com uses "NC x" (of course, that site references ncroads), http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/ uses "North Carolina x". Conclusion: "NC x" or "N.C. x" is probably the most common format used on the web; however, if we use that we would have to specify between "NC x" congressional districts, "NC x" with nautical craft and aircraft, NC 17 movie rating, etc. Some of those articles are probably more popular than some NC road. The disambig pages may interfere with the infobox, so tweaking might be needed. I just feel "highway" or "route" needs to be somewhere in the title, so I can have a vague understanding of what the article is about before I have to read it. -- TinMan 17:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Obviously somebody can't read the line directly above on the NC 24 article:
If you want to know more about that naming convention, here's a discussion on the poll: Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll and here is where that big debate took place: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways. Use these to help formulate your argument.
(Refering to SPUI's comment about AjaxSmack's comment) It wasn't worded in the best fashion, but I think I know what he means. NC doesn't always mean North Carolina, nor should. To be honest, I don't know why this is such a big deal. Do you just hate the style that we have? We're not talking about whether people can find an article, becuase a person can type in either format and still get to the same page; no, instead we're debating what the big black letters at the top of the article should say. No other state uses a format that is abbreviated that much for the title, even Michigan. Wikipedia has a long history of leaving the abbreviated versions of terms for the redirects and disambiguation pages. Just take Camp Lejuene for instance; it redirects to a longer, more official-sounding Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune. Also look at every city and CDP in the US: they are all in "City, Full State Name" format instead of the abbreviated "City, SN"; yet if you search for "City, SN", it will redirect to the main article. I could give you many more examples in Wikipedia and in book encyclopedias where the abbereviated and "common language" versions redirect ("See such and such" in book) or disambiguate to the longer, more official-sounding name. These route articles should be no different. If we go through with the change, North Carolina routes would be some of the hardest to find. Someone would have to know our little abbreviation "NC x" to access a route article without going through a bunch of seaching. So, with all that said, I have a proposal: We keep the article titles in the "North Carolina State Highway x" format (or just take out the "state" to prevent the so-called " neologism" because it just says "North Carolina Highway x" on the road signs) and the first bold letters of the article can be in the "NC x" format (which SPUI seems to already have changed. The "NC x" format can be used throughout the rest of the article if you want and the "NC x" pages should redirect to the main article. This way everyone knows what the article is about before opening it and it should show up on Google if you type "North Carolina Highway x" or "NC x" (may have to add the word wiki in the search until it gets popular). We're creating a better encyclopedia, not a slang dictionary. I think this is a reasonable compromise. What do y'all think? -- TinMan 18:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I see a lot more usage of "NC Highway X" than "North Carolina Highway X". Would that be acceptable? -- SPUI ( T - C) 05:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
That goes back to the abbreviation thing again. NC could mean anything. -- TinMan 22:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Way back when we were having debates at the Washington state highway WikiProject, someone pointed out that the abbreviation SR is much more widely used than "State Route". Nevertheless, while there are two different naming conventions in use, both have "State Route" spelled out. Why? Well, to quote SPUI himself, "We don't put pages at abbreviations." It may be true that "North Carolina State Highway X" is a neologism; I agree with TinMan's "North Carolina Highway X" proposal. It's consistent with Maryland's compromise, which uses "Maryland Route X", even though the most common usage is "MD X". -- NORTH talk 02:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't been around to reply recently. SPUI, I see your point with U.S. Highways, but I have to disagree, referring back to my argument about other states and counties. Like NORTH said, NC is very vague; it could be North Cumberland to someone in England or something (bad example). Also, no other state abbreviates its state name for highway articles as common practice... so, I think it should be "North Carolina" for organization and universality purposes, recognizing that this is an international encyclopedia where postal/state code abbreviations should not dictate article titles. To do just use "NC x", I think, is a neologism in itself. -- TinMan 05:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I couldn't think of a good headline.
Now that all the PNGs are done, I went through the articles and added them in where they need to be. Every article now has either an infobox or a shield image at the top and a succession box at the bottom.
If you create an infobox for a route that doesn't have one yet, please remove the duplicate shield image and succession box. -- NORTH talk 05:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I promised SVGs above, but unfortunately I can't get them to work. (See NC 2, NC 3, and NC 903.) Oh well, so sad. I may work on creating the missing PNGs by the end of the week, however. -- NORTH talk 21:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
PNGs are done! -- NORTH talk 02:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I was just passing through when I noticed this section here. From the way it appears, the NC shield (2di-s anyway) is just a black square with a white rhombus in the center, so it wouldn't be too difficult to make. If anyone still wants SVGs for North Carolina, I'd be more than happy to make them. -- TMF T - C 19:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Jayron brought up an issue that I've been debating with myself for some time. How should we handle the "Major Junctions" part of the NC highways infobox. As a basic guideline, I've been including every junction with a freeway, whether it's I-40, US 421 (west of Winston-Salem), or NC 147 for all the routes. For short routes (less than 50 miles or so) or routes that don't have many junctions with other routes, I've included some of the minor junctions. If the state highway is is about 10 miles long, many times I just leave out the major junctions section altogether. For the really long state highways, I've tried to merge the major junctions and the major cities sections by listing the biggest junctions in the major cities. I really try not to leave out any cities if I can because these state highways may be the most important roads in these areas. Sometimes, if I can incorporate those cities in the article, I can leave them out of the infobox. The infoboxes shouldn't be lengthy, but I've been having trouble weighing principles, as in the case of NC 211. So I guess we need to come up with a guideline for which junctions should go in the major junctions section, which cities go in the major cities section and what should we do with route concurrencies (should that have its own box)? I think we should try to have no more than eight junctions in the major junctions section. What do y'all think? I would appreciate comment from members on this WikiProject as well as from experienced Wikipedians in routeboxes (like SPUI). -- TinMan 19:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea on how to do this. 1) All U.S. and Interstate Highways are "major" and 2) State Highways are "major" if they, at the point of the junction, are maintained comparable to U.S. and Interstate Routes. (major throughfares in cities and/or multilane divided roads and/or freeways) Thus, NC 147 is "major" as it is a freeway. NC 97, probably not so, since it is a 2 lane shoulderless road for much of its route.
Another idea, more subjective, should be "Would any person in their right mind take this routing." For example, NC 50 parallels I-40 as it crosses several NC routes. It would make no sense to list NC 50 in the infobox of say, NC 210, which less than 1 mile away crosses I-40, since anyone traveling NC 50 would do better to take I-40. Thus, the NC 210/NC 50 junction is not "major".
OTOH, NC 49 provides a reasonably shorter route between Asheboro and Charlotte than the interstates or U.S. Highways, and is a fairly heavily traveled road. Likewise NC 24 between Charlotte and Fayetteville. Any road that crosses these between these cities SHOULD list them in their info boxes.
Some roads depend on which section is being considered. For example, NC 87 is an important highway between Sanford & Fayetteville, but much less so around, say, Reidsville.
Perhaps what we should do is devise a sort of canonical list of "major" highways first, and only put those in the info boxes of other routes.
Jayron32 19:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I'd just like to point out the standard that we've been using for with "near", "at", and "in". If a junction is more than five miles outside the limits of a city, then use the term "near" (i.e. I-40 near Winston-Salem;). If the junction is on the city limits border or less than five miles from the city limits, generally use "at" (i.e. US 74 at Bolton;). If the junction is within the city limits, use the term "in" (i.e. NC 11 in Wilson). This is the general guideline for those terms in the Major Junctions and Termini sections on the Infobox. -- TinMan 20:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, if you can help it, don't add a "Cities" section unless there are many cities/towns/villages that are not listed in your Major junctions box that the route goes THROUGH (meaning, enters the city limits); if it goes through a rural area of Durham outside the city, don't add Durham. Plus, termini cities are not included in the Cities section. -- TinMan 20:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
OK. So what to do about concurrencies? I would agree that short concurrencies, like say the NC 42/US 70 concurrency in Clayton, or other places where two routes share a short stretch of pavement when passing through a downtown area would qualify more as "junctions", but what about LONG concurrencies, like say NC 24/27 or even NC 50/US 70? List it twice in the junction section? Create a new section in the info box? Or handle it in the route description writeup? Create a new header in the write-up maybe? -- Jayron32 18:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 00:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I'm trying to find abbreviations that we can use for the infobox (mainly the main junctions box and termini). If there are concurrencies, I usually only state the type of highway once. (for example: US 15/ 501). The goal is to keep the junctions on one line if possible. The problem I come to is with Business Routes. Should I use BUS US 15 or US 15 BUS or US 15 Bus or Bus US 15 or US 15 BR or BR US 15? If I just use the whole word "Business", it gets really unasthetically pleasing. Personally, I like US 15 Bus. -- TinMan 03:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know what you think of this method. I will be digging through all the redlinked NC Roadways and cross referencing them to the NCDOT GIS site to determine the shorter roads and start by pulling county maps for those 1-county roads to get basic information. Do you prefer inclusion of an infobox & stub or a full article? Id like to get the infoboxes put up and hopefuly that will foster development of the stub pages... Rob110178 15:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
As with many changes, there are consequences. Since we've all agreed at WP:SRNC to change to the "North Carolina Highway x" format, the word "state" will be removed from all the article titles in the near future when we get approval. This may cause a few minor problems that we need to think about. The category right now for our state highways is Category:North Carolina State Highways. Changing this category to "Category:North Carolina Highways" may create confusion, since US highways, Interstates, and other routes and freeways are also considered North Carolina Highways. How would we name the category so that we just have NC routes and not US 158 or Bryan Boulevard? Should we keep the cat name the same? Should we change it to "North Carolina Routes"? What do y'all think? -- TinMan 04:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Just as a heads up, NC Highway 55 is linked from wikinews regarding the big fire in Apex... Good chance for some visibility! Rob110178 22:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
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I decided to take a quick stroll through the page and make a list of pages that need to be generated. Maybe this will make it a little easier to find something specific to do! I will continue to work on this, let me know what you think as a start! Rob110178 14:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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As a heads-up, I fixed the NCSH cleanup template a while ago to accept the second parameter for rationale. I'd add rationale for the five or so lacking such, but I'm not as familiar with the nuances of this project as other editors. -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems that it has been a bit quiet lately. I was looking at the structure section and all it does is reference articles that are preferred. If someone changes these reference articles, than new editors may not format correctly. For the sake of consistency, I would like to suggest the following structure for NCSH:
If anyone has any thoughts on this suggested structure, please sound off! Lets get a consensus on this and work on improving on the Project!! Rob110178 00:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what would be the best term for it, but I've been adding sections for "Nearby attractions" or "Nearby landmarks" (since not all are "attractions") and listing local icons... not statues or water tanks, but maybe a university or a mall or air force base or theme park... stuff that travelers may visit or notice or be near to. What do you all think? As for those sections listed above by TMF, I agree. Just put some kind of intro section (untitled of course) at the top and don't just go straight into Route description. The intro tells what NC xx is, the Route description tells where it goes etc. And yes, infobox goes at the top. As for termini, I would put them under Route description. They don't really deserve their own sections. -- TinMan 03:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking at the NCSH talk template and compared to other talk templates, it seems like ours is woefully lacking. I will attempt to create a reference on the talk page for the template, we can add alot of features, is there anything that the community would like to see to facilitate better visibility on our project? Rob110178 02:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Have all of the images in this project been updated? I can check this using AWB if everyone wants. We need to look at getting new members... It seems to be getting a bit quiet around here, I know I have been guilty as well, but is anyone else alive? :-) Rob110178 10:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming for the NC highway infoboxes that we should be trying to have all Interstate links redirect to the appropriate "Interstate XX in North Carolina" article, i.e. [[Interstate 40 in North Carolina|I-40]]. Well, apparently this has been in use for a while but I found instead of typing all that out over and over you can just pipe trick it with [[I-40 (NC)|]]. That's just so much easier and I thought that I'd share. :) -- Triadian 18:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, a while back, we as a Wikiproject agreed to start the articles for NC state highways with the abbreviated and most commonly used "NC XX" form and use that form throughout the article. This is different from a lot of other states, with exceptions like Michigan: M-4 (Michigan highway). This, seems to have worked out well as a compromise. My issue is with links to other NC state highways within a NC state highway article. At WP:USRD, I was told that links for NC should be North Carolina Highway x within the main text of the article, which makes sense for all articles except for NC highways. Let's say I'm typing an article on NC 8 and I'm describing its route, which crosses North Carolina Highway 150 and North Carolina Highway 67. Can't I just use NC 150 and NC 67 when I'm describing? It seems silly to have just NC 8 as the only abbreviated form and the rest in expanded form. Any thoughts? -- Triadian 18:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Should anything be changed or added before I nominate this as a good article? -- NE2 04:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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Kansas uses K-X (Kansas highway) and Michigan uses M-X (Michigan highway). This seems to be a similar case, in that NC X seems to be the only term used. If that causes ambiguity, NC X (North Carolina highway) can be used to disambiguate. -- SPUI ( T - C) 09:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
What is "NC"? A naming convention? -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 17:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Kansas and Michigan still have "(Michigan highway)" and "(Kansas highway)" after them. Therefore, if we go through with the "NC x" format, should we add "(North Carolina highway)" after all the articles or just the ones that need a disambig? / I know at the naming convention there was no concensus on the "Route 4 (North Carolina)" format. / Well, the common language for US Highways is "US x". Everybody near my residence always says "get on US 52", but the article is named "U.S. Highway 52", which is the term printed on the green road signs. The NC road signs around here use the format "N.C. Hwy 150" for route 150. / I went looking for what popular websites and maps are using for our benefit. The NC Scenic Byway map uses the format: "N.C. Route x". Southeastroads.com uses "North Carolina x", http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nc/ uses "NC x", this article (Carolina journal) uses "N.C. Route x", the infamous ncroads.com site uses "N.C. x", the NCDOT sponsored Outer Banks Task Force uses "NC x", NC Ferry system uses "N.C. x", state-ends.com uses "NC x" (of course, that site references ncroads), http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/ uses "North Carolina x". Conclusion: "NC x" or "N.C. x" is probably the most common format used on the web; however, if we use that we would have to specify between "NC x" congressional districts, "NC x" with nautical craft and aircraft, NC 17 movie rating, etc. Some of those articles are probably more popular than some NC road. The disambig pages may interfere with the infobox, so tweaking might be needed. I just feel "highway" or "route" needs to be somewhere in the title, so I can have a vague understanding of what the article is about before I have to read it. -- TinMan 17:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Obviously somebody can't read the line directly above on the NC 24 article:
If you want to know more about that naming convention, here's a discussion on the poll: Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll and here is where that big debate took place: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways. Use these to help formulate your argument.
(Refering to SPUI's comment about AjaxSmack's comment) It wasn't worded in the best fashion, but I think I know what he means. NC doesn't always mean North Carolina, nor should. To be honest, I don't know why this is such a big deal. Do you just hate the style that we have? We're not talking about whether people can find an article, becuase a person can type in either format and still get to the same page; no, instead we're debating what the big black letters at the top of the article should say. No other state uses a format that is abbreviated that much for the title, even Michigan. Wikipedia has a long history of leaving the abbreviated versions of terms for the redirects and disambiguation pages. Just take Camp Lejuene for instance; it redirects to a longer, more official-sounding Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune. Also look at every city and CDP in the US: they are all in "City, Full State Name" format instead of the abbreviated "City, SN"; yet if you search for "City, SN", it will redirect to the main article. I could give you many more examples in Wikipedia and in book encyclopedias where the abbereviated and "common language" versions redirect ("See such and such" in book) or disambiguate to the longer, more official-sounding name. These route articles should be no different. If we go through with the change, North Carolina routes would be some of the hardest to find. Someone would have to know our little abbreviation "NC x" to access a route article without going through a bunch of seaching. So, with all that said, I have a proposal: We keep the article titles in the "North Carolina State Highway x" format (or just take out the "state" to prevent the so-called " neologism" because it just says "North Carolina Highway x" on the road signs) and the first bold letters of the article can be in the "NC x" format (which SPUI seems to already have changed. The "NC x" format can be used throughout the rest of the article if you want and the "NC x" pages should redirect to the main article. This way everyone knows what the article is about before opening it and it should show up on Google if you type "North Carolina Highway x" or "NC x" (may have to add the word wiki in the search until it gets popular). We're creating a better encyclopedia, not a slang dictionary. I think this is a reasonable compromise. What do y'all think? -- TinMan 18:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I see a lot more usage of "NC Highway X" than "North Carolina Highway X". Would that be acceptable? -- SPUI ( T - C) 05:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
That goes back to the abbreviation thing again. NC could mean anything. -- TinMan 22:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Way back when we were having debates at the Washington state highway WikiProject, someone pointed out that the abbreviation SR is much more widely used than "State Route". Nevertheless, while there are two different naming conventions in use, both have "State Route" spelled out. Why? Well, to quote SPUI himself, "We don't put pages at abbreviations." It may be true that "North Carolina State Highway X" is a neologism; I agree with TinMan's "North Carolina Highway X" proposal. It's consistent with Maryland's compromise, which uses "Maryland Route X", even though the most common usage is "MD X". -- NORTH talk 02:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't been around to reply recently. SPUI, I see your point with U.S. Highways, but I have to disagree, referring back to my argument about other states and counties. Like NORTH said, NC is very vague; it could be North Cumberland to someone in England or something (bad example). Also, no other state abbreviates its state name for highway articles as common practice... so, I think it should be "North Carolina" for organization and universality purposes, recognizing that this is an international encyclopedia where postal/state code abbreviations should not dictate article titles. To do just use "NC x", I think, is a neologism in itself. -- TinMan 05:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I couldn't think of a good headline.
Now that all the PNGs are done, I went through the articles and added them in where they need to be. Every article now has either an infobox or a shield image at the top and a succession box at the bottom.
If you create an infobox for a route that doesn't have one yet, please remove the duplicate shield image and succession box. -- NORTH talk 05:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I promised SVGs above, but unfortunately I can't get them to work. (See NC 2, NC 3, and NC 903.) Oh well, so sad. I may work on creating the missing PNGs by the end of the week, however. -- NORTH talk 21:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
PNGs are done! -- NORTH talk 02:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I was just passing through when I noticed this section here. From the way it appears, the NC shield (2di-s anyway) is just a black square with a white rhombus in the center, so it wouldn't be too difficult to make. If anyone still wants SVGs for North Carolina, I'd be more than happy to make them. -- TMF T - C 19:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Jayron brought up an issue that I've been debating with myself for some time. How should we handle the "Major Junctions" part of the NC highways infobox. As a basic guideline, I've been including every junction with a freeway, whether it's I-40, US 421 (west of Winston-Salem), or NC 147 for all the routes. For short routes (less than 50 miles or so) or routes that don't have many junctions with other routes, I've included some of the minor junctions. If the state highway is is about 10 miles long, many times I just leave out the major junctions section altogether. For the really long state highways, I've tried to merge the major junctions and the major cities sections by listing the biggest junctions in the major cities. I really try not to leave out any cities if I can because these state highways may be the most important roads in these areas. Sometimes, if I can incorporate those cities in the article, I can leave them out of the infobox. The infoboxes shouldn't be lengthy, but I've been having trouble weighing principles, as in the case of NC 211. So I guess we need to come up with a guideline for which junctions should go in the major junctions section, which cities go in the major cities section and what should we do with route concurrencies (should that have its own box)? I think we should try to have no more than eight junctions in the major junctions section. What do y'all think? I would appreciate comment from members on this WikiProject as well as from experienced Wikipedians in routeboxes (like SPUI). -- TinMan 19:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea on how to do this. 1) All U.S. and Interstate Highways are "major" and 2) State Highways are "major" if they, at the point of the junction, are maintained comparable to U.S. and Interstate Routes. (major throughfares in cities and/or multilane divided roads and/or freeways) Thus, NC 147 is "major" as it is a freeway. NC 97, probably not so, since it is a 2 lane shoulderless road for much of its route.
Another idea, more subjective, should be "Would any person in their right mind take this routing." For example, NC 50 parallels I-40 as it crosses several NC routes. It would make no sense to list NC 50 in the infobox of say, NC 210, which less than 1 mile away crosses I-40, since anyone traveling NC 50 would do better to take I-40. Thus, the NC 210/NC 50 junction is not "major".
OTOH, NC 49 provides a reasonably shorter route between Asheboro and Charlotte than the interstates or U.S. Highways, and is a fairly heavily traveled road. Likewise NC 24 between Charlotte and Fayetteville. Any road that crosses these between these cities SHOULD list them in their info boxes.
Some roads depend on which section is being considered. For example, NC 87 is an important highway between Sanford & Fayetteville, but much less so around, say, Reidsville.
Perhaps what we should do is devise a sort of canonical list of "major" highways first, and only put those in the info boxes of other routes.
Jayron32 19:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I'd just like to point out the standard that we've been using for with "near", "at", and "in". If a junction is more than five miles outside the limits of a city, then use the term "near" (i.e. I-40 near Winston-Salem;). If the junction is on the city limits border or less than five miles from the city limits, generally use "at" (i.e. US 74 at Bolton;). If the junction is within the city limits, use the term "in" (i.e. NC 11 in Wilson). This is the general guideline for those terms in the Major Junctions and Termini sections on the Infobox. -- TinMan 20:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, if you can help it, don't add a "Cities" section unless there are many cities/towns/villages that are not listed in your Major junctions box that the route goes THROUGH (meaning, enters the city limits); if it goes through a rural area of Durham outside the city, don't add Durham. Plus, termini cities are not included in the Cities section. -- TinMan 20:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
OK. So what to do about concurrencies? I would agree that short concurrencies, like say the NC 42/US 70 concurrency in Clayton, or other places where two routes share a short stretch of pavement when passing through a downtown area would qualify more as "junctions", but what about LONG concurrencies, like say NC 24/27 or even NC 50/US 70? List it twice in the junction section? Create a new section in the info box? Or handle it in the route description writeup? Create a new header in the write-up maybe? -- Jayron32 18:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 00:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I'm trying to find abbreviations that we can use for the infobox (mainly the main junctions box and termini). If there are concurrencies, I usually only state the type of highway once. (for example: US 15/ 501). The goal is to keep the junctions on one line if possible. The problem I come to is with Business Routes. Should I use BUS US 15 or US 15 BUS or US 15 Bus or Bus US 15 or US 15 BR or BR US 15? If I just use the whole word "Business", it gets really unasthetically pleasing. Personally, I like US 15 Bus. -- TinMan 03:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know what you think of this method. I will be digging through all the redlinked NC Roadways and cross referencing them to the NCDOT GIS site to determine the shorter roads and start by pulling county maps for those 1-county roads to get basic information. Do you prefer inclusion of an infobox & stub or a full article? Id like to get the infoboxes put up and hopefuly that will foster development of the stub pages... Rob110178 15:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
As with many changes, there are consequences. Since we've all agreed at WP:SRNC to change to the "North Carolina Highway x" format, the word "state" will be removed from all the article titles in the near future when we get approval. This may cause a few minor problems that we need to think about. The category right now for our state highways is Category:North Carolina State Highways. Changing this category to "Category:North Carolina Highways" may create confusion, since US highways, Interstates, and other routes and freeways are also considered North Carolina Highways. How would we name the category so that we just have NC routes and not US 158 or Bryan Boulevard? Should we keep the cat name the same? Should we change it to "North Carolina Routes"? What do y'all think? -- TinMan 04:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Just as a heads up, NC Highway 55 is linked from wikinews regarding the big fire in Apex... Good chance for some visibility! Rob110178 22:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
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I decided to take a quick stroll through the page and make a list of pages that need to be generated. Maybe this will make it a little easier to find something specific to do! I will continue to work on this, let me know what you think as a start! Rob110178 14:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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As a heads-up, I fixed the NCSH cleanup template a while ago to accept the second parameter for rationale. I'd add rationale for the five or so lacking such, but I'm not as familiar with the nuances of this project as other editors. -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems that it has been a bit quiet lately. I was looking at the structure section and all it does is reference articles that are preferred. If someone changes these reference articles, than new editors may not format correctly. For the sake of consistency, I would like to suggest the following structure for NCSH:
If anyone has any thoughts on this suggested structure, please sound off! Lets get a consensus on this and work on improving on the Project!! Rob110178 00:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what would be the best term for it, but I've been adding sections for "Nearby attractions" or "Nearby landmarks" (since not all are "attractions") and listing local icons... not statues or water tanks, but maybe a university or a mall or air force base or theme park... stuff that travelers may visit or notice or be near to. What do you all think? As for those sections listed above by TMF, I agree. Just put some kind of intro section (untitled of course) at the top and don't just go straight into Route description. The intro tells what NC xx is, the Route description tells where it goes etc. And yes, infobox goes at the top. As for termini, I would put them under Route description. They don't really deserve their own sections. -- TinMan 03:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just looking at the NCSH talk template and compared to other talk templates, it seems like ours is woefully lacking. I will attempt to create a reference on the talk page for the template, we can add alot of features, is there anything that the community would like to see to facilitate better visibility on our project? Rob110178 02:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Have all of the images in this project been updated? I can check this using AWB if everyone wants. We need to look at getting new members... It seems to be getting a bit quiet around here, I know I have been guilty as well, but is anyone else alive? :-) Rob110178 10:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming for the NC highway infoboxes that we should be trying to have all Interstate links redirect to the appropriate "Interstate XX in North Carolina" article, i.e. [[Interstate 40 in North Carolina|I-40]]. Well, apparently this has been in use for a while but I found instead of typing all that out over and over you can just pipe trick it with [[I-40 (NC)|]]. That's just so much easier and I thought that I'd share. :) -- Triadian 18:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, a while back, we as a Wikiproject agreed to start the articles for NC state highways with the abbreviated and most commonly used "NC XX" form and use that form throughout the article. This is different from a lot of other states, with exceptions like Michigan: M-4 (Michigan highway). This, seems to have worked out well as a compromise. My issue is with links to other NC state highways within a NC state highway article. At WP:USRD, I was told that links for NC should be North Carolina Highway x within the main text of the article, which makes sense for all articles except for NC highways. Let's say I'm typing an article on NC 8 and I'm describing its route, which crosses North Carolina Highway 150 and North Carolina Highway 67. Can't I just use NC 150 and NC 67 when I'm describing? It seems silly to have just NC 8 as the only abbreviated form and the rest in expanded form. Any thoughts? -- Triadian 18:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. master son T - C 16:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Should anything be changed or added before I nominate this as a good article? -- NE2 04:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
In response to a few issues that came up, we are giving a reminder to all state highway wikiprojects and task forces:
Regards, Rschen7754 ( T C) 05:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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