See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums for an infobox. Tuf-Kat 14:11, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
OK - it seems like no-one has touched this project for a while. If nobody minds, I'll take over for a while and try to revive and improve it.-- Moochocoogle 21:09, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
As these are created, please work towards proper formatting -- song titles go in "quotes", album titles are italicized. Also, if the intent is to have a comprehensive set of song articles for the albums so treated, it might make sense to go ahead and link songs (even ones that don't have articles yet) at the outset, or these links will have to be placed in later. Jgm 21:00, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Must confess to a profound dislike of the phrase "Off of (album name)". Could we use "From the album (album name)" instead? - MykReeve 00:55, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Some thoughts on this. I'm new to Wikipedia, but would like to contribute. I can't see the point of showing the previous and next songs on the album, it doesn't seem very useful. Also, how about showing chart positions? -- Auximines 15:19, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Rather than do a track listing at the end of the album box, why not have a singles' chronology if the article is on a single? Don't get me wrong, if the song was not a single then the current set up makes sense. However, singles are more likely to get articles, and thus the set up I'm suggesting would work better in most cases. -- [[User:LGagnon| LGagnon]] 02:26, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
Is anyone outside of Australia familiar with the Triple J Hottest 100? It is a fairly prominent chart (poll) in Australia, the largest of its kind in the world. Would listing it under 'chart success' for bands, albums and songs be appropriate? -- Chuq 22:40, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
To help sort out Category:Music stubs, I made a new stub template for specific song articles, Template:Song-stub. (I hope no one here minds. It seemed that there were an awful lot of song articles being tagged as music stubs.) To use it, just use {{song-stub}} instead of {{stub}}.
What do you do with a B-side that was actually included on an album and made the charts (example: The Jackson 5's " Who's Lovin' You", the b-side to "I Want You Back" and a #1 R&B hit of its own)? Do you use the yellow, green, or orange table? -- FuriousFreddy 07:34, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I notice that your WikiProject has not set down any guidelines for notability yet. I was hoping to consult them as to the notability of the song Vive la rose, which I have nominated for deletion. Has any discussion occurred yet as to what makes a song notable enough for its own article? -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:11, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Can someone write an article on this phrase/song/whatever? I am sick an tired of not knowing where this comes from, everytime an ad or movie preview uses that line. I have listed it on Wikipedia:Requested articles/music#Songs. Thanks, -- Spundun 05:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK, I finished making the infobox for this project, which can be seen here, and working examples are at Smells Like Teen Spirit and In My Place. It's not perfect yet and it has few differences with the proposed project. I guess you can edit it around and use it everywhere. I think it would be easier if we had this template. Oh yeah, someone please add the colour scheme because I was unaware of those three categories at the time of the making. and about the "from the album "<insert album>", would it be better to put it with the "Single by <artist>" or right below without being highlighted? If it is without highlighted below, it seems a bit hard to notice as it is not really an info about the song itself, but rather the artist, etc. I removed song from most thing because I do not think it's necessary, and also when it is a single CD, (or whatever), there would be more than one song, thus making it not a "Song length". I also put the "Chart position" in a separate place because there can be a lot of chart infos if we tried enough and it would look nicer to have it instead of getting mixed up with already full middle part. Anyways. WB 11:26, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
{{{Artist}}}<br>from the album ''{{{from Album}}}''
{{{Artist}}}<br>{{Source}}
This needs to be fixed, redirected from films to songs. -- Fantailfan 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:WikiProject Films|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:WikiProject banners|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] </noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch:{{{class}}} |FA=[[Category:FA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |A=[[Category:A-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |GA=[[Category:GA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |B=[[Category:B-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Start=[[Category:Start-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Stub=[[Category:Stub-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Dab=[[Category:Disambig-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Template=[[Category:Template-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Cat=[[Category:Category-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |=[[Category:No-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |#default=[[Category:Unassessed film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] }}</includeonly>
still points to Films.-- Fantailfan 11:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
When I was here earlier (see above discussion), I learned that songs recorded by more than one artist can have compund infoboxes added to them. However, there is an issue with the editors working on the Mariah Carey singles where seperate articles are being made for Carey's covers of hit or popular songs (examples: " I'll Be There" -> " I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", " O Holy Night" -> " O Holy Night (Mariah Carey song)"). Both of these articles were placed on Votes for deletion, with "O Holy Night (Mariah Carey song)" not reaching a consensus; "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)" is still being voted upon at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song). There should be a set precedent as far as how many articles for one song are needed in the Wikipedia; special rules cannot be made up for just one artist. -- FuriousFreddy 02:42, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I think there is a major question that has to be addressed here. While nowadays it is customary to have a songwriter who is also a singer, in bygone days songwriters and singers were two different professions, and a songwriter would put out a song which was normally recorded by more than one artist. Often, quite a few of these would chart -- an extreme example is "Again," which charted in at least 6 different versions in 1949! I have a major objection to using a title format like "Songname (atristname song)" because most of the songs I'm writing articles about were done by multiple artists. I would disambiguate by using the year composed rather than the artist. -- BRG 19:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
** INDEPENDENT COMMENT** I am very in favor of a standardized song titling. However, the Key to all of this is to form a permanent, comprehensive and usefull archive of this information, right? Therefore, the information, and any method of titling it, should be:
1) Comprehensive: all significant artists and recordings (including significant variations by the same artist, and texual revisions by the author, or others) should be mentioned, as much as feasible
2)Relatively searchable: irregardless of the searcher's initial bias knowledge, or lack thereof (ie: if an individual is not aware that "I will always love you" was originally performed by Dolly Parton in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, then they should still be able to find the information on this song)
3)Fully cross-referenced: so that the searcher can follow the information 'trail'
4)accurate
This is all obvious, but seemed to have gotten lost in the discussion. The methodology is irrelevant, so long as the need is fulfilled.
First, I'm really impressed with the work this WikiProject has done to standardise song pages. I think that the song infobox could be improved if a section for professional reviews were included. I know that allmusic.com writes reivews for very significant songs, and there are always reviews on the NME or dotmusic sites as well. Moreover, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums includes a section for professional reviews. What do you think?
Acegikmo1 04:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've created a template (at Template:Song infobox) based upon the format specified on the project page, and I've incorporated that template at Imagine (song) as an example. If you edit that page, you'll see that it is now a lot easier to use the standardized format you've defined. Cheers. -- Arcadian 13:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
FYI: Template:Song infobox has been nominated for deletion at Templates for deletion by WB. BlankVerse ∅ 14:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the issue of placing songs in bold needs to be discussed as there seems to be some inconsistences. When placing a song in bold, whether it be at the start of an article, in a table or list, etc. should the double quotation marks be bolded as well. That is should it be "Song" or "Song". I feel that we should agree on a format that can be used throughout.
My vote is for "Song" as this looks much neater, it more clearly highlights that fact that it is a song title and as such this is what I have been using. Ianblair23 22:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the "Song" template is too biased towards modern popular recorded music. There are many classic old songs that are no longer in copyright that would be perfect for posting on here but don't really fit in with the proposed template. Take a look at You're a Grand Old Flag for a great example. It has an image of the song sheet, information about the sont, and even the lyrics. And it's not copyrighted!
Are there any thoughts about this and how to set up pages for old sheet music? -- Markkawika 09:54, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I noticed a number of 12" MAXI Singles were color-coded in 'lightblue', instead of the standard 'yellow'. I think it was intially done in error, however I believe it makes sense to further categorize singles by color, as they are already noted as such in many of the infoboxes (IE - 45/single vs 12" 'MAXI Single', 'CD Single'.
Either way a decision should be made (add category or not), and either cleanup or promotion of additional song/single categories will be required. Barrettmagic 13:10 August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hi folks,
I just wanted to let you know about a new list of deletion debates related to articles on songs and albums. You can find it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Songs and albums.
If you find this list useful, please help maintain it by adding new items or archiving old ones. Thanks!
Oh, and please feel free to join the project. We need all the help we can get.
Cheers,
-- Visviva 15:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
The High and Mighty Color songs list. Im sorry if im just whining though. Gaijin Otaku 01:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The Template as it stands is out of keeping with the Manual of Style in a few respects:
Most problems in articles actually come from people ignoring the Project guidelines, or copying out-of-date versions of the template from other articles, or editing according to music-journalism norms under the (often very strong) impression that they're set out in the Project. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to bring the Christina Aguilera related articles up to project standards, but I'd like to be clear about whether or not an "airplay only" single, which wasn't released commercially can count as an orange header.
One person's decision does not suddenly make something policy. The person who edited that does not make it policy, nor does my deicision make it policy. To be fair, I've made that section neutral so that neither way is endorsed until we can reach a consensus, so EM, for the sake of being fair, don't revert it, and keep it neutral for now. Is that fair? OmegaWikipedia 00:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Allmusic.com has a complete list of all charting singles on Billboard charts including Hot 100 and other singles charts ie R&b country in its articles for the artist and the album. Top 40 charts has an extensive database of charts from 2000 onwards see [1] but beware of the popups. As an Australian, ARIA has an end-of-year charts from 1989 onwards and a list of certifications at the end of each year for singles and albums (platinum and gold). Australian musical charts aka the estimable Jamie from Monash has a subscription list of the Australian singles and album charts see [2]. There is a Yahoo group on charts where the UK charts are mailed out weekly. I understand that Guinness has a reliable book on UK hit singles.
Oz Music Charts has a list of #1 hits in the US, UK and Australia dating back to the 1950's. Songfacts.com lists US and UK chart positions on their database of songs see this article on Hotel California as an example. [3]
Uncle G asked me to outline how I found chart positions so this is my response. I would be grateful for other people to outline their sources. Capitalistroadster 14:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new infobox,
Template:Single infobox2, with new fields for chart positions, writers and music video director. This is primarily because many single articles don't use the original infobox, but the raw syntax instead, to allow those new fields to be included. Unfortunately, using raw syntax happens to increase article size, decreases the ease of editing the infobox, doesn't keep a consistent appearance of single articles throughout Wikipedia, and does not obey some of the WikiProject Music and Song guidelines (as well as Wikipedia's
manual of style). I wanted to remedy these problems, so I've started using it on
Mariah Carey single articles, such as
We Belong Together,
Hero (Mariah Carey song) and
Vision of Love. I hope that every many single articles will end up using either the original or new infoboxes, so that everything can be edited easily and from one place. Please tell me what you think.
Extraordinary Machine 22:42, 17 September 2005 (UTC) I admit it was a mistake to say "every" single article, but I stand by my other comments. 17:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The section states that "chart positions included should probably be for the artist's home chart, charts in English speaking countries and charts in which the single reached the Top 40.", but it also asks users to list positions in order of highest to lowest, regardless of the national chart.
Isn't the first condition sufficient enough, where we list an artist's home charts followed by any relevant English-speaking charts, and finally any additional Top 40 positions? Because when you view artist pages, their singles discography have always been listed in a similar order, with home charts followed by other relevant international positions. This leads to a kind of discrepancy in the formatting between the artist and singles pages.... -- Madchester 14:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
This needs to be established as set policy, because the seperations of articles covered by different people is ridiculous. It makes the encyclopedia cumbersome to read if a user has to click multiple articles to read about one song. Many of the splits border on the arbitrary, and without consistency, the Wikipedia is going to continue to look lobsioded and non-credible in the eyes of much of the public.
Articles on songs should not even be that big of a deal, or large to the point where a split is neccessitated. Or shall we simply sit and wait for someone to make articles for every major version of " The Star-Spangled Banner" before this issue is handled? -- FuriousFreddy 05:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there yet any official policy on this matter? Where can it be found? -- Bensin 14:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
can we lighten that purple up some, for readibility's sake (and maybe the b-sides' green as well)? -- FuriousFreddy 00:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Is there an infobox for folk tunes and older music? The one currently used for singles assumes a modern song that has been recorded by a single artist or group. But what about songs like " O Holy Night", " Dixie", or " Ode to Joy"? Has something for these been created? BrianSmithson 15:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
"Country House" | ||
Lyrics by: | Damon Albarn | |
Music by: | Damon Albarn / Graham Coxon / Alex James / Dave Rowntree | |
Published: | 1995 |
OK, here's an idea. It's very simple. Just a small, basic infobox for all songs with "Lyrics by", "Music by" and "Published". Singles can still use a single infobox as well. -- Moochocoogle 14:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
To align it with the existing conventions in WP:ALBUMS, I bolded the title of the song in the chronology section of the infobox. It's a practice that has already been used for quite some time for editors working on song articles. -- Madchester 19:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to register opposition to the idea that the song title in the chronology section of the infobox be bolded. There's no obvious reason to do this; all I can think of is aeshetics, but it looks slightly uglier to me.
On the subject of Wikilinks in the infobox, could it be made clear that multiple occurrences of years, names, etc., shouldn't be linked? I've had a number of run-ins with editors who insist on linking the same year up to four times in the same infobox, their justification being that it's in the template. The template, of course, can't distinguish between a new year and a duplicated one; the editor using it can. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for what constitutes a cover version for mentioning in song articles, or even better, what consititutes a notable cover worthy of mention? Some questions came up regarding " Hurt" ( Nine Inch Nails / Johnny Cash) that I'm looking for guidance on.
I appreciate any insight you have. -- Rynne 14:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
This is a copy of the message left on Madchester's Talk page by me, on account of (IMHO) improper reverts of my edits that only preserve outdated Album/Song project style guidelines and superfluous internal linking. While my language was strong, this is not meant as any type of smear or harrassment, but rather to bring to attention to instances where reverts to proper edits are being done to the detriment of the project. The opinions of anyone very familiar with the MoS guidelines on internal linking as well as the subtlely changing style guidelines of WP:Albums would be appreciated. - Liontamer 20:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
If Category:Fooband albums and Category:Fooband singles exist (as per current guidelines), should they be parented by Category: Fooband or not? Please add to discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Any_consensus_on_categories?. -- pfctdayelise 02:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I'm writing because I have worked on some single articles for Tori Amos (" Me and a Gun," " Crucify," " Silent All These Years" and " Professional Widow" so far), and I've run across a problem. The singles released in the UK and the US do not match up -- i.e., " Silent All These Years" was released earlier in the US and the UK; in the UK, other singles came first.
At this time, Amos, an American-born artist who I believe was living in America, was being handled by the Atlantic UK divison East/West Records. So whose chronology do I honor? That of the United States or the UK? (Not to mention that there were more released in Europe, but I haven't found enough info on those.)
I have not added infoboxes to some of these articles because I am not sure what to do. Jacqui ★ 16:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Some songs are singles that did not appear on any original album by the artiste, such as Hey Jude or She Loves You. Don't we need a different infobox for these songs? The She Loves You article is quite cluttered now. Johnleemk | Talk 11:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I've placed Dixie (song) on peer review. Feedback most appreciated. -- BrianSmithson 14:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are the infoboxes for singles of such a gaudy yellow color? In most cases, this color doesn't match the colors of the CD cover. imho a less shiny color would be more appropriate. -- MRB 16:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Think all the interesting songs have been covered? Think that they all have infoboxes? You might be surprised what songs are missing. I have created a list of notable songs (critically acclaimed or high chart position) that may not be covered in wikipedia as part of the Missing Encyclopedic Article wikiproject. The goal was to help identify songs of importance that "should be covered" by creating articles or redirects for redlinked songs and removing valid blue links (song is covered, has an infobox). For a comparison, you may want to see the companion list, list of notable albums. Any area where you can help would be awesome. Thanks!!! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 05:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Should promotional single infoboxes have their own colour? Underneath-it-All 01:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
A user created the page State_of_Maine_Song, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I thought I'd check over here to see if anyone here could take care of this and verify it. Cheers! Semiconscious · talk 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. You featured article candidates are probably A or B-class. Can you recommend any suitable song articles? We are also interested in your model (FA) articles. Please post your suggestions here.-- Shanel 21:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi - can someone please explain why my redirect from I Predict A Riot to I Predict a Riot is not working? It is just pretending I hadn't made the edit, but it's there in the history!. I'm confused! DJR ( Talk) 22:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice one - problem solved. Cheers, DJR ( Talk) 22:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I just created this cat and well... you have two competing things... will this category be useful? Maybe not... but, if we have "Arabic language songs" should we exclude English just because there are a lot more songs on Wikipedia in English? In any case... please come to the talk page since we need to decide this for all "English language foo". Thhanks. gren グレン 01:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I came across Category:Songs by the Supremes, which is named differently the all the other songs by artist. Apparently, there was a CfR vote in ( here) in September 2005, with half the votes saying "rename for constistency" and the other half saying "rename all the others; 'Songs by X' is better than 'X songs'". As far as I can see, no such umbrella nomination has been made. Thoughts on this? / skagedal ... 18:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't look like the current version of the infobox actually provides support for background color at all. In fact, the articles being used as examples for album tracks and B-sides are clearly using an outdated version of the infobox.
Maybe what needs to be done is to delete all references to background color and direct people to Template:Song infobox instead, and make a new infobox for B-sides? – Unint 19:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've seen two formats - which appear to result in the same thing - for WikiProject Songs Infoboxes. One starts like this:
{{Infobox Single | Name = <SINGLE NAME> | [ Cover = <PIC>] | Artist = <ARTIST> | from Album = <ALBUM> | etc.
The other starts like this:
{| id="toc" style="width:20em; margin:0 0 0.5em 1em; float:right;" !align="center" bgcolor="yellow" colspan="3"|"<SINGLE NAME>" |- |align="center" colspan="3"|[[Image:<PIC>|225px|Single cover]] |- !align="center" bgcolor="yellow" colspan="3"|Single by <ARTIST> |- !align="center" colspan="3"|From the album <br>''[[<ALBUM>]]'' |-
Which is correct? – Fantailfan 12:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
What if an article has several cover versions, with at least one being a single? Should the article have as many infoboxes as necessary, or should it just have an infobox for the main song? (For an example of the former, see (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.) I personally find it ugly, and so does at least one other person (who will probably nominate Satisfaction on FARC if the Satisfaction article isn't fixed up -- one of his complaints is that the infobox shouldn't be there). I'm not exactly eager to remove the infobox without input from other editors, however. Johnleemk | Talk 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
"(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" | |
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Song | |
Language | English |
Published | 1965 |
Songwriter(s) |
Mick Jagger, Keith Richards |
"Dixie" | |
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Song | |
Language | English |
Written | 1997 (earliest attested) |
Songwriter(s) | Daniel Decatur Emmett (disputed) |
I suppose I should archive what I deleted here. Everything was under the Infobox header. None of this is applicable to the current iteration of the infobox. (The colour scheme might be useful to some future project; plus some of those example articles need re-formatting.)
| [ Reviews = ] *
<ul><li>''[[All Music Guide]]'' [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4781DD848A47120C5913A43C0BF7EFD58FE42F58250234558C0B73E4A8F0274FD0ABADBCDAEF875B47CE3FE24A45805D6C3FE2781&sql=33:znev9jq0kr0t link] </li></ul>
Infoboxes for album tracks and B-sides can be found in the example articles below.
The background colours will vary by the type of song and the way it has been released. "Singles" are any songs released commercially as a music video or the A-side of a single (or one half of a double A-side). "Album tracks" are those songs that have been released on an artist's studio album but not as a single. "B-sides" are songs that have been included as the B-side to a single but have NOT appeared on a studio album. Soundtrack songs are songs that appear in films or musicals but have not been released commercially on their own or as part of an artist's studio album.
Singles | #FFFF00 (yellow) | |
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Album tracks | #FFA500 (orange) | |
B-sides | #2E8B57 (seagreen) | |
Soundtrack songs | #800080 (purple) |
Here are some examples of articles using the infoboxes:
– Unint 02:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
dose anyone know where to get them? diff subject now i have some info on crazy gnarls barkley song has sold 420.710 in the UK alone.
Can someone clarify something for me? Should an article on (song) be about the song itself (history of writing, how it's performed, talk about the lyrics), or is the article on (song) about the actual single release of the song? (the tracks and b-sides on the single, the format of the single, the length of the tracks, the publisher of the disc, etc.)
Because the infobox:Single that usually goes on these songs talks about the disc format and such. I'm looking at the page for Shoe Box E.P. ( Barenaked Ladies) which is a 4-song EP and basically the 'single' release for the song Shoe Box which has no article right now. Currently the E.P. article has the infobox for the song (the single) and in the body, a tracklist of the E.P. I was going to start a seperate article for the song than from the EP, but the Single Infobox I was going to move to the song's article has things like cover and format (CD) which seem to fit the E.P. article better.
What would be the best way to deal with this (the problem is that it's called 'E.P.' even though it's more like a single, and the only physical single release for this song) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheHYPO ( talk • contribs) .
I recently proposed a deletion recommendation for a category called "Weezer singles" on the grounds that it almost completely overlapped category:Weezer songs, and the recommendation passed. I find the overlap of "songs" and "singles" categories to be problematic, as nearly all noteworthy popular songs are singles (take a look at category:U2 singles and category:U2 songs, for example). So I'm inclined to recommmend on CfD that ALL categories named "(Artist) singles" be merged into their corresponding "(Artist) songs" category, if there is one. Please note that I'm not opposing the chronological heirarchy of "(Year) singles" categories or the lovely singles infobox, just the double categorization scheme (so a song might be in "U2 songs" and "1998 singles," but not "U2 singles"). I'd like to hear from people whether they oppose or support such a recommendation.-- Mike Selinker 05:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Could anybody here provide some feedback on the recent discussion at WikiProject Albums? Perhaps that discussion should be moved here. Jogers ( talk) 11:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks in advance. — Zee 11:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Information about the song (song story etc.) or the musical analysis? — Prodigenous Zee - 01:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm attempting to bring the many J-pop songs into line with current category and article naming styles. Some editors have put the names of the songs (and albums and band) in all-caps, a Japanese music affectation for songs like ALL FOR YOU. This seems like shouting, and in clear violation of the guideline, "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art." But it's just my opinion, and at least one editor doesn't share it. Does anyone else have any opinions on this?-- Mike Selinker 07:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
It also depends on what form you choose to use. I've seen just as many katakana and foreign words using normal capitalization as I have seen that use ALL CAPS. I think we should go with normal capitalization because it's already part of WP:MOS and it's easier to read in general. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 17:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
What is this "~title~"-convention some of you are referring to? -- chsf 14:57, 2006-10-09
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This is related to a discussion at Talk:Invisible (Jaded Era song) that I'm in the middle of. If an article covers a song that has been recorded by more than one act, then if/when it has to be disambiguated should it be done using the name of the act who recorded the most notable version of the song, or the name of the act who recorded the song first? I think the latter makes more logical sense (as well as avoiding POV issues), but I was wondering what other people thought about this. Extraordinary Machine 20:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Please give these discussions your attention. Uncle G 00:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
{{Template:WikiProjectSongs}}
This needs to be fixed, redirected from films to songs. -- Fantailfan 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
-- I've only done one template, but this snip
[[Category:WikiProject Films|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:WikiProject banners|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] </noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch:{{{class}}} |FA=[[Category:FA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |A=[[Category:A-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |GA=[[Category:GA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |B=[[Category:B-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Start=[[Category:Start-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Stub=[[Category:Stub-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Dab=[[Category:Disambig-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Template=[[Category:Template-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Cat=[[Category:Category-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |=[[Category:No-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |#default=[[Category:Unassessed film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] }}</includeonly>
still points to Films.-- Fantailfan 11:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
(1) How does one determine level of importance since WP:NOR and WP:NPOV apply? Should there also be "This article has been rated as X-importance on the importance scale importance scale"?
(2) Should WikiProject Songs have its own article importance grading scheme and assessment pages?
(3) How awesome would it be if there were links to the songs, so people could hear them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.66.210.229 ( talk • contribs).
The notice on the main page is outdated now as I just tagged at least 50 articles in the last hour. 23skidoo 16:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The Beatles is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 15:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've seen a number of songs tagged for this that do not fit the format: they are by that most prolific of songwriters Anonymous and do not have a release year.
A stub for "folksong" and "ballad" would probably help sort them out. Goldfritha 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this project is an excellent idea! Several of the articles I've contributed have been tagged for this project but I don't believe that they fit any of the stubs (for reasons outlined above). I'm interested in traditional songs from Wales, England, Ireland, Brittany, etc. They will all contain lyrics (as they are not subject to copyright) in the original language and a translation into English, as well as some information about the song. But many of the template fields do not apply. -- Maelor 17:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it is about time this makes wikipedia. It has made many night talks and has over 18,500 direct references on the web. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.84.58.231 ( talk • contribs) .
Anyone?
210.84.48.68 05:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it an actual song by an actual musician or band released on actual media (CD) in any English-speaking countries? Please. "Sit on My Face Stevie Nicks" is about as notable. -- Fantailfan 12:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw this template added to the talk page of this article about the Croatian anthem. I am just wondering if "national anthems" are going to be tagged with this for now on, so I do not revert by chance. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
... a single has been released three times but they are all essentially the same song? I guess I'm not making much sense. Here's what I am talking about :
In my opinion three articles is somewhat too much, but at the same time I may be wrong and this may be right. So what is the best thing to do here? Merge? — Prodigenous Zee - 01:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone willing and able to help me or find ratings information about Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other "such as sales figures...and which record charts the song has appeared on"? I would appreciate it much and it would be a quick and easy way to turn an article into a Featured article, per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other. Hyacinth 22:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that several song articles contain trajectories for a music video's day-to-day positions on the MTV Total Request Live countdown. I personally believe such trajectories are completely unnecessary and better suited to a fansite than a general purpose encyclopedia, and they violate the " Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" rule. What does everybody else think? Extraordinary Machine 17:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The lack of (sensible) responses on the above FA is getting quite depressing. Would any editors interested in songs please have a look at the article and leave a comment at the FAC? It would be appreciated, thank you. -- kingboyk 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Whitney Joins The JAMs, a minor KLF song, is on Peer Review. Your comments would be appreciated. -- kingboyk 14:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I just found this notice tag on a song talk page: This article has been automatically assessed as Stub-Class by WikiProject Songs because it uses a stub template. Then it asks whether I agree or not. What does it mean? - Freekee 14:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the double post, I decided at the last minute to post this one for review too. -- kingboyk 14:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I dont know what wikiproject this will belong to. So, I'll let you decide. -- Cat out 18:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The (my) article Dear Lord and Father of Mankind has been tagged as part of WP:Songs. In my opinion, while Hymns and Christian Songs could be part of this project, until the aims of the project are clear, it is a topic left out for the time being. They are not things like singles that need infoboxes so I am not sure what good the project can do. As a result, I have removed the tag, but am not saying that it should not be there in the future.
Good luck,
Mdcollins1984 21:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Articles about Hymns and other older/traditional songs of any religion, published or not, could at least receive the simple infobox "Lyrics by:, Music by:, Published:". robertjohnsonrj 16:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Several articles on my watchlist, including Marian antiphon, Celtic chant, and Ambrosian chant have just been tagged by this WikiProject. These articles do not discuss an individual song, but genres or repertories of songs. In some cases, like Celtic chant and Gallican chant, there are virtually no extent melodies. Do these articles fall under the scope of the project? Peirigill 18:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, how does this project handle songs that were composed prior to the advent of sales charts? Let's say that I write an article on Guillaume Dufay's historically notable motet Nuper rosarum flores. Does a choral work fall under the purview of this Wikiproject? Would I leave the chart listings blank? Would I put some notice like "not applicable" instead? Or would I use the rankings of the most popular commercially released recording? This will definitely matter in the case of Gregorian chants that were recorded on the album Chant. My apologies if these issues have been addressed before. Peirigill 18:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
She Loves You is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Would someone interested in Korn please review the Daddy (song) article and help provide sources for some of the material I removed this evening? The lyrics I believe are a copyright violation so those need not be restored. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Is this project actually proposing an article on every song ever released, regardless of whether or not it's even been released as a single? We have User:Andman8 creating an article on every cut on the album Mach 6 by an artist who is arguably not that well known, surely we don't need an article on every single song? I can bow to the idea of an article on songs that actually make important charts, but Andman8 is posting a Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs link on the Talk page of every single one of the album cut articles as if this is the goal of the project. User:Zoe| (talk) 02:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I could use some help at Talk:Old Dan Tucker. I'm working on an expansion of that article, but I need a little help with interpreting some of the musicologese of my sources. Thanks, — BrianSmithson 07:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm starting to notice some of the song articles linking to YouTube and other video hosting services for the song's music video. Some of the links are being removed because of copyright violation, but others are being kept. I can understand both sides of the issue. For those keeping, there are comparisons to linking to sites for the song's copyrighted lyrics. For those removing, there are arguments of linking to copyrighted information. I think some policy for links to music videos should be established on the project's main page to determine if these links are okay to not. Otherwise, the project may be divided between people who want to link to the music and those who do not. Quop 23:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and made the edit. It would seem okay. Also, I added in the condition about the copyright holder. Cha 00:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've just added support for this WikiProject to my AWB plugin for adding templates to talk pages and assessing articles. Please see User:Kingbotk/Plugin for more information. -- kingboyk 16:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
A Hard Day's Night (song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 20:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I see no reason for not having a "musical structure" section, in which the music itself is described (i.e. in an academic sort of way). Seeing as the music itself can be cited, this would not conflict with Wikipedia's original research policy. Also, if a user notates the music himself (as I did for " (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction,") there is no reason for a segment of each song to not be notated. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 22:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I found a reference to this project on Talk:Child_Ballads, but no other cross references. Now I do not want to interfer with conscious decision tacen after due discussions, I've not followed. However, if the lack of links are due to oversights, I'd like to add Child Ballads to the category Lists of Songs (since the list of the 305 types of Child ballads indeed is the bulk of that article); and I'd like to make the category Child Ballads to a subcategory of the category Songs. Is this OK? JoergenB 18:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I have nothing to say against your suggestion, Freekee. However, just in order to ensure that we speak the same language, let me remind you that Francis James Child did not write the 'popular English and Scottish ballads' he collected and edited. ('Popular' here is used in an older meaning 'related to the people'; i.e., concerning folklore.) A few of the texts he used were actually half a millenium old. Moreover, there is already a Category:Child Ballads (which I propose to put as a subcategory of Category:Songs). JoergenB 15:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that pop, jazz, and blues standards never seem to have infoboxes ... see Over the Rainbow, Fly Me to the Moon, My Funny Valentine, Take the A Train, Statesboro Blues, and many others of this ilk. The Single infobox is inappropriate for these, since most of them weren't singles in the modern sense, and the current Song infobox is oriented towards non-singles from a particular album and thus also inappropriate. Is there another kind of Song infobox out there that I'm not finding? Wasted Time R 21:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that song articles should not include tables showing a single's chart position week by week, although I can't find a specific guideline about that. Nevertheless, I don't think week-by-week tables are needed. This question arose because Don't Forget to Remember Me does include such tables. -- Metropolitan90 04:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I understand that there should be one article per song, and cover versions shouldn't have their own articles. I've done quite a lot of work changing articles about Will Young singles into articles about the songs, and have done some merging of cover versions and splitting of double A-sides. A couple of his covers (" The Long and Winding Road" and " Light My Fire") are now included in Category:Will Young songs. He also did covers of the songs " Hey Ya!", " I Get the Sweetest Feeling", " Beyond the Sea (song)", etc, but were released as B-sides (or in some cases, album tracks), so my question is, should these articles be included in Category:Will Young songs? — AnemoneProj e ctors ( talk) 11:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Get Back is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 19:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Layla is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 19:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've posted this on the WikiProject Music page too, but I'd like to offer my services in notating musical examples for any pages that may need them. You can see my work on Homophony and other pages; I think it really adds to the article. So, if anyone has any requests, fire away. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 22:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the Take on Me article has spoiler warnings inserted in the music video section and found it rather ridiculous. But I don't want to step on any toes and remove it, or warnings in any other song-articles I might stumble across, if this is in fact something that you, the fine people working on articles like that, believe belong there and might even have agreed upon. I can't see any discussions about it here, but I'm not familiar with this project or its history, so I thought I should ask. Thanks. Shanes 05:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if there is any formal process, but I'd like to work on this WikiProject. I enjoy music a (who doesn't).-- ¢² Connor K. 19:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The original page had a single line of text [6], so I redirect to the album it first appeared on Ace (album). Recently, the redirect was undone by an IP to [7]. I reinstated the redirect, but two IPs have now called it vandalism and called me a "page black-outer". Finally, I placed a {{mergeto}} on the page and am willing to discuss this proposal on the talk page. I believe that, unlike Truckin' or Dark Star (song), the song wasn't really notable to the band, being that they stopped playing it after 1974. The information provided on the page could easily be moved to the album page as a section after the track listing. Can someone comment? Am I in the wrong in my thinking? -- moe.RON talk | done | doing 23:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all: I am visiting this project as a result of my own campaign to wipe out all Unreferenced tags from the Z section of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Category:Articles_with_unsourced_statements&from=Z
Just finished editing the Ænema page. (Yes that ligature puts it back with the Z's.) Just about everything in it was Original Research. The only link was to the lyrics of the song. I have noticed the same thing with other aspects of Pop Culture. Everybody fancies himself an Expert.
I am no Expert myself, but it is my belief that ALL the articles in WikiP must be sourced and there must be no Original Research. Is that not the same case with the Songs project? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 07:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been going around replacing outdated and subst'ed album and song infoboxes, and I came across something interesting at the Metallica song pages. There is one template for each album that shows up on each song page. (example here: For Whom the Bell Tolls (song)). I think this might be a more appropriate approach than using the song infobox in some cases, especially for songs off albums where each song has its own page, for example the Led Zeppelin song pages, since the info in each infobox is nearly identical. Any thoughts? -- Alcuin 04:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could anybody tell me who this mysterious "Strada, bishop of Bologna" is, who is mentioned in the article? Strada is Italian and means "street". And that's what google says to me. No bishop of Bologna. No list of bishops of Bologna list any "Strada". Is this a fake? we are currently discussing this in the German Wikipedia because de:Gaudeamus igitur is candidating for the label "Lesenswert" (a kind of "featured article", second class). -- Rabe! 15:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I Want to Hold Your Hand is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 23:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe that Wikipedia song articles should include the songs lyrics. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.101.40 ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I am BRAND NEW to Wikipedia as a registered user. I just did my first bit of editing - I found a biography of an author whose birth year but not full birth date was shown, and I put in the actual date.
I have found a page called "Category:Neil Diamond songs" at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Neil_Diamond_songs
So far, there are four songs listed. I hope I can write articles for a few of his songs that don't have them yet. In the meantime, a song of his called "Red Red Wine" that is not listed on "Category:Neil Diamond songs" does have a Wikipedia entry at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Red_Wine
I would like to add this to the "Category:Neil Diamond songs" page. I tried to use the "edit this page" tab on this page, but when I clicked on it, all I got was a box containing the words "Category:Songs by artist|Diamond, Neil" contained within a couple of levels of brackets.
Can someone please point me in the direction of how to fill in this box so that I enter "Red Red Wine" without disturbing the other songs already in the list?
While "Red Red Wine" is most famous as done by UB40, Neil Diamond wrote and originally recorded this song. Also, "I'm a Believer", another song written by Neil that's more famous as done by other acts (the Monkees and Smash Mouth) than by Neil himself, appears on the "Category:Neil Diamond songs" page. Thus I feel that the inclusion of "Red Red Wine" is justified here.
Should WikiProjectSongs have an article assessment class entitled "List"? There is one for the "albums" project. I've come across at least 1 song-list article in my current songs class assessment project so far. robertjohnsonrj 23:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Over at the album project, we have a list of tasks to be done, and one of them is infobox conversion. Articles with an old style of infobox, or even tables instead of templates get tagged with {{ needsinfoboxconv}}. Then they get added to Category:Needs album infobox conversion. Notice how it says "album infobox"? Right now the category has over 100 articles, and most of them are songs. The reason I bring this up is I think it would be really cool of some of you guys could go through some and convert them. I'll probably do a few myself, but I thought maybe some of you might be willing to take on the task. Thanks! - Freekee 05:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I’ve been tagging a lot of articles for this project lately, and here’s an idea that occurs to me. There are currently around 22,000 separate articles in the scope of this project, which will require continuous maintainance and observation by this project, and, in many cases, only this project. That seems to me to be possibly too many, particularly considering that many are songs which have only appeared on one album, or are only known through one version. The naturally occurring continued expansion of the song project’s total article number coupled with the expansion of a given song’s article into multiple articles of it (for whatever reason), may increase the total number of song articles, maintainence and observation covered by the song project to an alarming rate. What would the rest of you think of the following proposal: For cases when the song is only known through only one context (i.e., one album and/or one version), use the current song page as a redirect to that song’s section on it’s album page, and cut and paste all the text from the song page into that song’s section on it’s album page? This idea would not necessarily apply to songs or song versions which are very notable on their own, such as songs included in the top 100 rock songs of all time or the song Yesterday (3000 versions). I imagine that there would be more than enough reason to keep them separate. Doing so would both reduce the number of pages to be observed for vandalism and maintained to a much more manageable number, and increase the possibility of the content of the article reaching featured article status, if only as a part of the Album article. Also, if the length of the content regarding a particular song were to be expanded to such length that it would make sense for it to have its own article, or if the album page just got too long, then it could be moved back into the old slot with the redirect removed. But collecting them like this could very easily make it easier and more likely for the content to expand more quickly. robertjohnsonrj 18:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
" It's My Life (Talk Talk song)" needs an infobox, and I'm not sure how to go about it. The cover version by No Doubt is more notable (by which I mean it charted higher); should it have its own article? Do I just put an infobox for Talk Talk's single? Do I put an infobox for both? — ShadowHalo 01:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
See [8]. This is not my field of expertise. Anyone else care to take it on? Zora 17:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the Category:song stubs have become very large, and what's more, categorisation of those seems to be very low. Would there by support for an Category:uncategorised songs maintenance category, on the same pattern as the existing Category:uncategorised albums? This could be periodically be populated by bot from the database dumps. Alai 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Real Love (The Beatles song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 18:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
How should I format the US charts for No Doubt's " Don't Speak"? It didn't chart on the Billboard Hot 100 because it wasn't released as a single for quite awhile. But it did chart #2 on the Modern Rock Tracks and #6 on Adult Contemporary. Should I include these in the infobox; if so, how should I format them? — ShadowHalo 07:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been removing chart trajectories based on WP:MUSIC's decision here, but it seems odd that one has to link to an archive for something like this. Is it alright if I add the decision about chart trajectories to the WP:SONG page? — ShadowHalo 00:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Rather large assumptions in the categories section: "Song articles should be placed into two categories, a subcategory of Category:Songs by artist ("Category:<Artist name> songs") and a subcategory of Category:Songs by year"
In the discussion for the article Willie's Lady, someone asked the necessary questions: "It was written in olde English- what year? by who?" Then I provided the same answer to both questions: No one knows.
Even songs by known authors may not have years. Goldfritha 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a precedent for songs that switched names between albums? Snakes on a Plane (Bring It) was renamed to Bring It (Snakes on a Plane) sometime between its release on Snakes on a Plane: The Album and Cobra Starship's newest album. There is some discussion on the talk page about the name, and the question was asked whether this had any precedent, so I figured the wikiproject would be best able to answer that.-- Miguel Cervantes 22:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I should query whether this article ( Star (Bryan Adams song)) should have a substantial proportion made up of lyrics, that are presumably copyrighted? 149.155.96.5 16:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!
I've seen many, many song articles containing a section titled "Song information" (or "About the song" or something similar), and I really don't see the sense in this. The entire article will contain information about the song, and readers know this, so how can information about the song be restricted to one section? (The presence of such headers in rather short articles violates Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Structure_of_the_article, but that's another matter.) Extraordinary Machine 18:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I note that Guantanamera is in Category:Joan Baez songs - surely that is wrong ? Otherwise Guantanemera has to go in the categories for everyone who has covered it. -- Beardo 19:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you do with the infobox when you have a song that has two different artists, each with a significant (top 40) version of it? Can you do two infoboxes stacked up? Is there a way to nest two infoboxes? - Freekee 04:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This project's guidelines currently state:
I'm not sure this is in line with the official policy at Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works:
Does there really need to be "proof" that a copyright holder is actively seeking to remove the lyrics from the site? On the contrary, it seems like there needs to be positive proof that the hosting site actually has permission before links to lyrics on external sites are used in song articles.
I have requested a copyright infringement check for links to Prince lyrics hosted on dtt-lyrics.com at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 December 17/Articles. Mike Dillon 22:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the project guidelines to match the policy stated on Wikipedia:Copyrights. - Freekee 23:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems like singles should be named after the a-side song, but I've been seeing quite a lot of singes named for the a-side and the b-side songs, such as [[Song A/Song B]]. Is this right? Should we put a stop to it? What about double A-side singles? - Freekee 16:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I've recently had a minor edit conflict with a member of this project. He basically cited WP:SONGS as a justification for reverting my edits. Regardless of the merits or not of my or his edits/approach there a serious issue here.
The way the edit summaries were phrased suggested WP:SONGS was something it's not. WP:SONGS is NOT a policy. Hell it's not even a guideline. It's a wikiproject. As such it has no authority to dictate how song articles are presented on wikipedia. And members of this project have no business trying to force other editors to conform to this projects ideas of how subjects should be presented. By all means discuss, and suggest looking at/contributing to this project as a way of building consensus. But I DON'T want to see more edit summaries saying "Revert. Does not follow WP:SONGS." or anything of that nature. exolon 00:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
This list is a disaster. I've been spending a lot of time removing songs by non-notable artists, but an even bigger problem with this list is that very few of the songs listed actually qualify as protest songs. The list is divided into several topical categories (Abortion, Drugs, War, etc.), and I'm finding that most of these songs do little more than mention or allude to the topic in question--they're not really protesting anything. If anyone wants to help me clean up this list, it would be appreciated.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any sort of guidelines consensus about including lists of covers in song articles? For example, today I encountered House of the Rising Sun (as a result of a Ref Desk question). I noticed that there was a spotty list of some 80 of the possibly infinite number of performers and bands that have done this song. Just looking through AMG will find you several hundred different artists have recorded it; pretty much everyone who has ever played a guitar has tried to cover it, it would appear, and many who haven't. Several of the names on the list couldn't be verified at all, including such minor bads as the Rolling Stones. I decided to do the same thing I've done before on articles on such standards as "Misty": I deleted the whole section, assuming that anyone who has done standards has likely covered the best-know standards, and besides which, an otherwise unannotated list of close to a 100 names isn't particularly helpful -- the linked article won't usually say anything about the song in question, so the reader still needs to hunt down just where the song was covered by the performer, which means running to AMG or some equivalent, and if they're there, what do they need the list in Wikipedia for in the first place? (They're also kinda ugly, but I suppose we could always make a multi-column list.)
I propose that we not include general lists of performers of frequently covered songs. Let's instead point them to the AMG entry about the song, the same way we point movie articles to IMDB.
Thoughts? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 05:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Sub-categories of Category:Songs by artist have the format, Category:Artist X songs. Sub-categories of Category:Songs by composer/ Category:Songs by lyricist have the format Category:Songs by Composer/Lyricist X. While I can think of reasons why one might want these two different formats, it poses a problem if the composer/lyricist is also a performer. Do we really want to have a category of Songs by Hank Williams of songs that he wrote, and another category called Hank Williams songs for all songs that he recorded, or should we have one format that is used all-around? In any case, fixing this looks like a major project for someone with a bot--and that wouldn't be me. - MrFizyx 23:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the "policy" that articles are about songs is incorrect. Please see Talk:Not Fade Away (song) for discussion, and the attached article for an example of what a mess it causes when 3 or more versions of the same song are sharing an article. No other topics share articles like this, with multiple infoboxes and what have you, why should songs be any different? -- kingboyk 16:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to direct your attention to User:Ryanpostlethwaite/WP:MUSIC (album) ( talk page), where we are drafting up new criteria for album notability. The single criterion we have right now just won't do! If you disagree with what is there, please make suggestions! (Originally from WikiProject Music) − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Could someone go through WP:SONG's featured articles and rate them on the importance scale? It seems like at the very least, the FA's should reflect how we want articles to be. ShadowHalo 18:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Are these allowed? I'm seeing them pop up more often. A current example: Jesus, Take the Wheel. The "last" and "next" single covers are shown as little thumbnails in the chronology. I'm tempted to remove them but I don't know how image policies work with these. Anyone have a clue? - eo 02:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
A quick overview for newcomers: The Kingbotk Plugin is a set of add-on tools for the wiki editor, AWB. In bot mode it offers robust templating for WikiProjects. In manual mode, it can also be used to help editors assess articles quickly and efficiently.
Per requests, myself and Reedy Boy ( talk · contribs) have just released a new version of the Kingbotk Plugin which is compatible with the latest AWB. To make things even easier, the plugin now ships with AWB. You may also have noticed my bot running over the last few days, testing the new version.
Since your WikiProject is one of the few which are programatically supported it's important that you inform us of any important changes to your WikiProject's template which have occurred in the last few months.
I hope you still find the tool useful. Comments, questions and bug reports to User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. Cheers. -- kingboyk 17:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC) PS I hope to have a new revision (version 1 release candidate 2) ready later today, for shipping with the next AWB release.
I saw in the The Sweet Escape (song) article a message: "Do not add the United World Chart to this list as it violates the guidelines set by the Wikiproject Songs". Where exactly does it say that in WP:SONG? More importantly, why can't the United World Chart be used in the "Chart Positions" section in the infobox. If it really can't be used, it should say that in the WikiProject page somewhere.... RaNdOm26 10:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious as to why a cover version, yet not the original has been articled here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastertechnician ( talk • contribs)
Hi. I just added the {{ songs}} template to Talk:Single (music) while closing a move request there. I don't really know whether that article belongs more properly to this project or to the Albums WikiProject, so if I mis-judged, can someone please fix that? Thanks. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
A couple of editors have been filling articles with chart listing (both in infoboxes and in tables) from Lithuania, Romania, Latvia, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. At this rate, articles will be swamped with such "information". Is there an approved list of charts for inclusion? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 23:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
ShadowHalo's point is a good one (and I second the request for sources). The point is, though, that if every article on a popular single is to have a table giving chart positions for every music chart in the world, it's going to look a mess. Given that this is the English-language Wikipedia, can't we assume that most readers are going to be uninterested in how well a single did in Lithuania? What other way to we have of keeping the tables down to a reasonable size? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 09:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, it isn't a future problem — I've already seen top-heavy articles. Also, the "Anglosphere" should have priority in general, other things being equal, because this is the English-language Wikipedia. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 15:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Many songs have been covered and it would be possible to have multiple infoboxes. This wouldn't be a problem if some songs hadn't been covered numerous times. For example the song " You Shook Me" I created an infobox for Muddy Waters' single. A Led Zeppelin one was later added, but not a Jeff Beck. Jeck Beck did the song before Led Zeppelin, so if they deserve one Beck most certainly does as well. The problem is that three infoboxes would expand well beyond all the text of the article and wouldn't look right. Would it be better to have only a Muddy Waters infobox or to add a Jeff Beck one? ufossuck 00:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to get some input on the usefulness of {{ Single entry}} (see Mi Sangre for an example). I was going to make some major changes to it, but I want to bring it here first to see if there would be consensus behind it. As is, the entries take up way too much space and provide completely unnecessary detail. Take The Sweet Escape; do we really need to know the track listing for each release of all of the singles when it's only an article about the album? Similarly, is it reasonable to include single covers and thorough lists of chart positions in an article about the album? With only two and a half singles, that section takes up half the article, and it seems just to be duplicating articles about the singles in a list-heavy format, when it should really be contained in prose. ShadowHalo 06:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago it was agreed that the "#" sign was generally unnecessary and undesirable (what else are "1", "37", etc., if not numbers?). They seem to have found themselves back into the infobox; was there a reason for this? I can't find it in the archives. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 22:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It was part of a long, sometimes acrimonious, but eventually fruitful debate about the chart tables (and infoboxes). -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 10:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
perhaps; I'd remembered it as being more general. Why, though, would the style be different between the two? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 11:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
On the page for John Denver a link to a complete list of songs would be good, also a list of movies and television shows in which his music has been featured. Personally I am looking for the title of a movie in which Paradise was featured in the credits. If anyone knows this let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccluresm ( talk • contribs)
As some of you may know, there's been some discussion regarding the number of WikiProject banners on article talk pages. There are three projects underway that attempt to "reduce the clutter". The first, of course, is the "small" option - see Small option for more info. The second is {{ WikiProjectBanners}}, which hides all the banners in a one-line box (see Smells Like Teen Spirit as an example). As has been discussed on that template's talk page, this option has the major disadvantage of hiding WikiProject banners, which defeats one of the purposes - to recruit new members. The third option is {{ WikiProjectBannerShell}}, which addresses that issue by reducing each banner to one line (with the option to view the full banner).
Now the reason I'm bringing this up is because adopting this third option requires a small alteration of a WikiProject's banner - to add the "nested=yes" parameter. I'd like to determine consensus within this project around the change and see if we can move forward with it. I've put together a sample of your banner with the new option ( code). As you can see, there would be no change to the banner if the "nested" parameter isn't there. If it *is* there, the banner would be part of the "within the scope of the following projects..." box.
Just a couple of the 20+ projects that have already implemented this option include: WP:MILHIST, WP:LGBT, WP:ALBUM, WP:India, WP:AVIATION, and WP:CCM.
Thoughts? Concerns? Would going ahead with the alteration be okay? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 15:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been trying to improve the God Save the Queen article. It is a notable song and has been sung regularly for at least 250 years (despite the fact that both words and tune are excruciatingly awful....sorry, is that POV?) I am trying to understand how the resources of this project (eg song template) might be applied in this case but it doesn't work too well. There isn't even a known author of either the words or the music, so not much to put in a template! Any ideas please? Bluewave 12:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The Michael Jackson song "Xscape" is officially named "Escape"
Go to Rodney Jerkin's official website www.darkchild.com and search for songs that he worked on for Michael Jackson's album Invincible in 2001.
Also ASCAP and BMI name it "Escape". "Xscape" is simply fan-fiction.
The article should be changed.
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums for an infobox. Tuf-Kat 14:11, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
OK - it seems like no-one has touched this project for a while. If nobody minds, I'll take over for a while and try to revive and improve it.-- Moochocoogle 21:09, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
As these are created, please work towards proper formatting -- song titles go in "quotes", album titles are italicized. Also, if the intent is to have a comprehensive set of song articles for the albums so treated, it might make sense to go ahead and link songs (even ones that don't have articles yet) at the outset, or these links will have to be placed in later. Jgm 21:00, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Must confess to a profound dislike of the phrase "Off of (album name)". Could we use "From the album (album name)" instead? - MykReeve 00:55, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Some thoughts on this. I'm new to Wikipedia, but would like to contribute. I can't see the point of showing the previous and next songs on the album, it doesn't seem very useful. Also, how about showing chart positions? -- Auximines 15:19, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Rather than do a track listing at the end of the album box, why not have a singles' chronology if the article is on a single? Don't get me wrong, if the song was not a single then the current set up makes sense. However, singles are more likely to get articles, and thus the set up I'm suggesting would work better in most cases. -- [[User:LGagnon| LGagnon]] 02:26, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
Is anyone outside of Australia familiar with the Triple J Hottest 100? It is a fairly prominent chart (poll) in Australia, the largest of its kind in the world. Would listing it under 'chart success' for bands, albums and songs be appropriate? -- Chuq 22:40, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
To help sort out Category:Music stubs, I made a new stub template for specific song articles, Template:Song-stub. (I hope no one here minds. It seemed that there were an awful lot of song articles being tagged as music stubs.) To use it, just use {{song-stub}} instead of {{stub}}.
What do you do with a B-side that was actually included on an album and made the charts (example: The Jackson 5's " Who's Lovin' You", the b-side to "I Want You Back" and a #1 R&B hit of its own)? Do you use the yellow, green, or orange table? -- FuriousFreddy 07:34, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I notice that your WikiProject has not set down any guidelines for notability yet. I was hoping to consult them as to the notability of the song Vive la rose, which I have nominated for deletion. Has any discussion occurred yet as to what makes a song notable enough for its own article? -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:11, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
Can someone write an article on this phrase/song/whatever? I am sick an tired of not knowing where this comes from, everytime an ad or movie preview uses that line. I have listed it on Wikipedia:Requested articles/music#Songs. Thanks, -- Spundun 05:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK, I finished making the infobox for this project, which can be seen here, and working examples are at Smells Like Teen Spirit and In My Place. It's not perfect yet and it has few differences with the proposed project. I guess you can edit it around and use it everywhere. I think it would be easier if we had this template. Oh yeah, someone please add the colour scheme because I was unaware of those three categories at the time of the making. and about the "from the album "<insert album>", would it be better to put it with the "Single by <artist>" or right below without being highlighted? If it is without highlighted below, it seems a bit hard to notice as it is not really an info about the song itself, but rather the artist, etc. I removed song from most thing because I do not think it's necessary, and also when it is a single CD, (or whatever), there would be more than one song, thus making it not a "Song length". I also put the "Chart position" in a separate place because there can be a lot of chart infos if we tried enough and it would look nicer to have it instead of getting mixed up with already full middle part. Anyways. WB 11:26, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
{{{Artist}}}<br>from the album ''{{{from Album}}}''
{{{Artist}}}<br>{{Source}}
This needs to be fixed, redirected from films to songs. -- Fantailfan 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:WikiProject Films|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:WikiProject banners|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] </noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch:{{{class}}} |FA=[[Category:FA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |A=[[Category:A-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |GA=[[Category:GA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |B=[[Category:B-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Start=[[Category:Start-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Stub=[[Category:Stub-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Dab=[[Category:Disambig-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Template=[[Category:Template-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Cat=[[Category:Category-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |=[[Category:No-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |#default=[[Category:Unassessed film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] }}</includeonly>
still points to Films.-- Fantailfan 11:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
When I was here earlier (see above discussion), I learned that songs recorded by more than one artist can have compund infoboxes added to them. However, there is an issue with the editors working on the Mariah Carey singles where seperate articles are being made for Carey's covers of hit or popular songs (examples: " I'll Be There" -> " I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)", " O Holy Night" -> " O Holy Night (Mariah Carey song)"). Both of these articles were placed on Votes for deletion, with "O Holy Night (Mariah Carey song)" not reaching a consensus; "I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song)" is still being voted upon at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/I'll Be There (Mariah Carey song). There should be a set precedent as far as how many articles for one song are needed in the Wikipedia; special rules cannot be made up for just one artist. -- FuriousFreddy 02:42, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
I think there is a major question that has to be addressed here. While nowadays it is customary to have a songwriter who is also a singer, in bygone days songwriters and singers were two different professions, and a songwriter would put out a song which was normally recorded by more than one artist. Often, quite a few of these would chart -- an extreme example is "Again," which charted in at least 6 different versions in 1949! I have a major objection to using a title format like "Songname (atristname song)" because most of the songs I'm writing articles about were done by multiple artists. I would disambiguate by using the year composed rather than the artist. -- BRG 19:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
** INDEPENDENT COMMENT** I am very in favor of a standardized song titling. However, the Key to all of this is to form a permanent, comprehensive and usefull archive of this information, right? Therefore, the information, and any method of titling it, should be:
1) Comprehensive: all significant artists and recordings (including significant variations by the same artist, and texual revisions by the author, or others) should be mentioned, as much as feasible
2)Relatively searchable: irregardless of the searcher's initial bias knowledge, or lack thereof (ie: if an individual is not aware that "I will always love you" was originally performed by Dolly Parton in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, then they should still be able to find the information on this song)
3)Fully cross-referenced: so that the searcher can follow the information 'trail'
4)accurate
This is all obvious, but seemed to have gotten lost in the discussion. The methodology is irrelevant, so long as the need is fulfilled.
First, I'm really impressed with the work this WikiProject has done to standardise song pages. I think that the song infobox could be improved if a section for professional reviews were included. I know that allmusic.com writes reivews for very significant songs, and there are always reviews on the NME or dotmusic sites as well. Moreover, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums includes a section for professional reviews. What do you think?
Acegikmo1 04:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've created a template (at Template:Song infobox) based upon the format specified on the project page, and I've incorporated that template at Imagine (song) as an example. If you edit that page, you'll see that it is now a lot easier to use the standardized format you've defined. Cheers. -- Arcadian 13:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
FYI: Template:Song infobox has been nominated for deletion at Templates for deletion by WB. BlankVerse ∅ 14:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the issue of placing songs in bold needs to be discussed as there seems to be some inconsistences. When placing a song in bold, whether it be at the start of an article, in a table or list, etc. should the double quotation marks be bolded as well. That is should it be "Song" or "Song". I feel that we should agree on a format that can be used throughout.
My vote is for "Song" as this looks much neater, it more clearly highlights that fact that it is a song title and as such this is what I have been using. Ianblair23 22:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the "Song" template is too biased towards modern popular recorded music. There are many classic old songs that are no longer in copyright that would be perfect for posting on here but don't really fit in with the proposed template. Take a look at You're a Grand Old Flag for a great example. It has an image of the song sheet, information about the sont, and even the lyrics. And it's not copyrighted!
Are there any thoughts about this and how to set up pages for old sheet music? -- Markkawika 09:54, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I noticed a number of 12" MAXI Singles were color-coded in 'lightblue', instead of the standard 'yellow'. I think it was intially done in error, however I believe it makes sense to further categorize singles by color, as they are already noted as such in many of the infoboxes (IE - 45/single vs 12" 'MAXI Single', 'CD Single'.
Either way a decision should be made (add category or not), and either cleanup or promotion of additional song/single categories will be required. Barrettmagic 13:10 August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hi folks,
I just wanted to let you know about a new list of deletion debates related to articles on songs and albums. You can find it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Songs and albums.
If you find this list useful, please help maintain it by adding new items or archiving old ones. Thanks!
Oh, and please feel free to join the project. We need all the help we can get.
Cheers,
-- Visviva 15:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
The High and Mighty Color songs list. Im sorry if im just whining though. Gaijin Otaku 01:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The Template as it stands is out of keeping with the Manual of Style in a few respects:
Most problems in articles actually come from people ignoring the Project guidelines, or copying out-of-date versions of the template from other articles, or editing according to music-journalism norms under the (often very strong) impression that they're set out in the Project. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm currently trying to bring the Christina Aguilera related articles up to project standards, but I'd like to be clear about whether or not an "airplay only" single, which wasn't released commercially can count as an orange header.
One person's decision does not suddenly make something policy. The person who edited that does not make it policy, nor does my deicision make it policy. To be fair, I've made that section neutral so that neither way is endorsed until we can reach a consensus, so EM, for the sake of being fair, don't revert it, and keep it neutral for now. Is that fair? OmegaWikipedia 00:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Allmusic.com has a complete list of all charting singles on Billboard charts including Hot 100 and other singles charts ie R&b country in its articles for the artist and the album. Top 40 charts has an extensive database of charts from 2000 onwards see [1] but beware of the popups. As an Australian, ARIA has an end-of-year charts from 1989 onwards and a list of certifications at the end of each year for singles and albums (platinum and gold). Australian musical charts aka the estimable Jamie from Monash has a subscription list of the Australian singles and album charts see [2]. There is a Yahoo group on charts where the UK charts are mailed out weekly. I understand that Guinness has a reliable book on UK hit singles.
Oz Music Charts has a list of #1 hits in the US, UK and Australia dating back to the 1950's. Songfacts.com lists US and UK chart positions on their database of songs see this article on Hotel California as an example. [3]
Uncle G asked me to outline how I found chart positions so this is my response. I would be grateful for other people to outline their sources. Capitalistroadster 14:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new infobox,
Template:Single infobox2, with new fields for chart positions, writers and music video director. This is primarily because many single articles don't use the original infobox, but the raw syntax instead, to allow those new fields to be included. Unfortunately, using raw syntax happens to increase article size, decreases the ease of editing the infobox, doesn't keep a consistent appearance of single articles throughout Wikipedia, and does not obey some of the WikiProject Music and Song guidelines (as well as Wikipedia's
manual of style). I wanted to remedy these problems, so I've started using it on
Mariah Carey single articles, such as
We Belong Together,
Hero (Mariah Carey song) and
Vision of Love. I hope that every many single articles will end up using either the original or new infoboxes, so that everything can be edited easily and from one place. Please tell me what you think.
Extraordinary Machine 22:42, 17 September 2005 (UTC) I admit it was a mistake to say "every" single article, but I stand by my other comments. 17:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The section states that "chart positions included should probably be for the artist's home chart, charts in English speaking countries and charts in which the single reached the Top 40.", but it also asks users to list positions in order of highest to lowest, regardless of the national chart.
Isn't the first condition sufficient enough, where we list an artist's home charts followed by any relevant English-speaking charts, and finally any additional Top 40 positions? Because when you view artist pages, their singles discography have always been listed in a similar order, with home charts followed by other relevant international positions. This leads to a kind of discrepancy in the formatting between the artist and singles pages.... -- Madchester 14:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
This needs to be established as set policy, because the seperations of articles covered by different people is ridiculous. It makes the encyclopedia cumbersome to read if a user has to click multiple articles to read about one song. Many of the splits border on the arbitrary, and without consistency, the Wikipedia is going to continue to look lobsioded and non-credible in the eyes of much of the public.
Articles on songs should not even be that big of a deal, or large to the point where a split is neccessitated. Or shall we simply sit and wait for someone to make articles for every major version of " The Star-Spangled Banner" before this issue is handled? -- FuriousFreddy 05:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there yet any official policy on this matter? Where can it be found? -- Bensin 14:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
can we lighten that purple up some, for readibility's sake (and maybe the b-sides' green as well)? -- FuriousFreddy 00:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Is there an infobox for folk tunes and older music? The one currently used for singles assumes a modern song that has been recorded by a single artist or group. But what about songs like " O Holy Night", " Dixie", or " Ode to Joy"? Has something for these been created? BrianSmithson 15:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
"Country House" | ||
Lyrics by: | Damon Albarn | |
Music by: | Damon Albarn / Graham Coxon / Alex James / Dave Rowntree | |
Published: | 1995 |
OK, here's an idea. It's very simple. Just a small, basic infobox for all songs with "Lyrics by", "Music by" and "Published". Singles can still use a single infobox as well. -- Moochocoogle 14:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
To align it with the existing conventions in WP:ALBUMS, I bolded the title of the song in the chronology section of the infobox. It's a practice that has already been used for quite some time for editors working on song articles. -- Madchester 19:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to register opposition to the idea that the song title in the chronology section of the infobox be bolded. There's no obvious reason to do this; all I can think of is aeshetics, but it looks slightly uglier to me.
On the subject of Wikilinks in the infobox, could it be made clear that multiple occurrences of years, names, etc., shouldn't be linked? I've had a number of run-ins with editors who insist on linking the same year up to four times in the same infobox, their justification being that it's in the template. The template, of course, can't distinguish between a new year and a duplicated one; the editor using it can. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines for what constitutes a cover version for mentioning in song articles, or even better, what consititutes a notable cover worthy of mention? Some questions came up regarding " Hurt" ( Nine Inch Nails / Johnny Cash) that I'm looking for guidance on.
I appreciate any insight you have. -- Rynne 14:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
This is a copy of the message left on Madchester's Talk page by me, on account of (IMHO) improper reverts of my edits that only preserve outdated Album/Song project style guidelines and superfluous internal linking. While my language was strong, this is not meant as any type of smear or harrassment, but rather to bring to attention to instances where reverts to proper edits are being done to the detriment of the project. The opinions of anyone very familiar with the MoS guidelines on internal linking as well as the subtlely changing style guidelines of WP:Albums would be appreciated. - Liontamer 20:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
If Category:Fooband albums and Category:Fooband singles exist (as per current guidelines), should they be parented by Category: Fooband or not? Please add to discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Any_consensus_on_categories?. -- pfctdayelise 02:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I'm writing because I have worked on some single articles for Tori Amos (" Me and a Gun," " Crucify," " Silent All These Years" and " Professional Widow" so far), and I've run across a problem. The singles released in the UK and the US do not match up -- i.e., " Silent All These Years" was released earlier in the US and the UK; in the UK, other singles came first.
At this time, Amos, an American-born artist who I believe was living in America, was being handled by the Atlantic UK divison East/West Records. So whose chronology do I honor? That of the United States or the UK? (Not to mention that there were more released in Europe, but I haven't found enough info on those.)
I have not added infoboxes to some of these articles because I am not sure what to do. Jacqui ★ 16:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Some songs are singles that did not appear on any original album by the artiste, such as Hey Jude or She Loves You. Don't we need a different infobox for these songs? The She Loves You article is quite cluttered now. Johnleemk | Talk 11:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I've placed Dixie (song) on peer review. Feedback most appreciated. -- BrianSmithson 14:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are the infoboxes for singles of such a gaudy yellow color? In most cases, this color doesn't match the colors of the CD cover. imho a less shiny color would be more appropriate. -- MRB 16:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Think all the interesting songs have been covered? Think that they all have infoboxes? You might be surprised what songs are missing. I have created a list of notable songs (critically acclaimed or high chart position) that may not be covered in wikipedia as part of the Missing Encyclopedic Article wikiproject. The goal was to help identify songs of importance that "should be covered" by creating articles or redirects for redlinked songs and removing valid blue links (song is covered, has an infobox). For a comparison, you may want to see the companion list, list of notable albums. Any area where you can help would be awesome. Thanks!!! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 05:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Should promotional single infoboxes have their own colour? Underneath-it-All 01:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
A user created the page State_of_Maine_Song, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I thought I'd check over here to see if anyone here could take care of this and verify it. Cheers! Semiconscious · talk 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. You featured article candidates are probably A or B-class. Can you recommend any suitable song articles? We are also interested in your model (FA) articles. Please post your suggestions here.-- Shanel 21:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi - can someone please explain why my redirect from I Predict A Riot to I Predict a Riot is not working? It is just pretending I hadn't made the edit, but it's there in the history!. I'm confused! DJR ( Talk) 22:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice one - problem solved. Cheers, DJR ( Talk) 22:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I just created this cat and well... you have two competing things... will this category be useful? Maybe not... but, if we have "Arabic language songs" should we exclude English just because there are a lot more songs on Wikipedia in English? In any case... please come to the talk page since we need to decide this for all "English language foo". Thhanks. gren グレン 01:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I came across Category:Songs by the Supremes, which is named differently the all the other songs by artist. Apparently, there was a CfR vote in ( here) in September 2005, with half the votes saying "rename for constistency" and the other half saying "rename all the others; 'Songs by X' is better than 'X songs'". As far as I can see, no such umbrella nomination has been made. Thoughts on this? / skagedal ... 18:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't look like the current version of the infobox actually provides support for background color at all. In fact, the articles being used as examples for album tracks and B-sides are clearly using an outdated version of the infobox.
Maybe what needs to be done is to delete all references to background color and direct people to Template:Song infobox instead, and make a new infobox for B-sides? – Unint 19:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've seen two formats - which appear to result in the same thing - for WikiProject Songs Infoboxes. One starts like this:
{{Infobox Single | Name = <SINGLE NAME> | [ Cover = <PIC>] | Artist = <ARTIST> | from Album = <ALBUM> | etc.
The other starts like this:
{| id="toc" style="width:20em; margin:0 0 0.5em 1em; float:right;" !align="center" bgcolor="yellow" colspan="3"|"<SINGLE NAME>" |- |align="center" colspan="3"|[[Image:<PIC>|225px|Single cover]] |- !align="center" bgcolor="yellow" colspan="3"|Single by <ARTIST> |- !align="center" colspan="3"|From the album <br>''[[<ALBUM>]]'' |-
Which is correct? – Fantailfan 12:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
What if an article has several cover versions, with at least one being a single? Should the article have as many infoboxes as necessary, or should it just have an infobox for the main song? (For an example of the former, see (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.) I personally find it ugly, and so does at least one other person (who will probably nominate Satisfaction on FARC if the Satisfaction article isn't fixed up -- one of his complaints is that the infobox shouldn't be there). I'm not exactly eager to remove the infobox without input from other editors, however. Johnleemk | Talk 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
"(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" | |
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Song | |
Language | English |
Published | 1965 |
Songwriter(s) |
Mick Jagger, Keith Richards |
"Dixie" | |
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Song | |
Language | English |
Written | 1997 (earliest attested) |
Songwriter(s) | Daniel Decatur Emmett (disputed) |
I suppose I should archive what I deleted here. Everything was under the Infobox header. None of this is applicable to the current iteration of the infobox. (The colour scheme might be useful to some future project; plus some of those example articles need re-formatting.)
| [ Reviews = ] *
<ul><li>''[[All Music Guide]]'' [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4781DD848A47120C5913A43C0BF7EFD58FE42F58250234558C0B73E4A8F0274FD0ABADBCDAEF875B47CE3FE24A45805D6C3FE2781&sql=33:znev9jq0kr0t link] </li></ul>
Infoboxes for album tracks and B-sides can be found in the example articles below.
The background colours will vary by the type of song and the way it has been released. "Singles" are any songs released commercially as a music video or the A-side of a single (or one half of a double A-side). "Album tracks" are those songs that have been released on an artist's studio album but not as a single. "B-sides" are songs that have been included as the B-side to a single but have NOT appeared on a studio album. Soundtrack songs are songs that appear in films or musicals but have not been released commercially on their own or as part of an artist's studio album.
Singles | #FFFF00 (yellow) | |
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Album tracks | #FFA500 (orange) | |
B-sides | #2E8B57 (seagreen) | |
Soundtrack songs | #800080 (purple) |
Here are some examples of articles using the infoboxes:
– Unint 02:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
dose anyone know where to get them? diff subject now i have some info on crazy gnarls barkley song has sold 420.710 in the UK alone.
Can someone clarify something for me? Should an article on (song) be about the song itself (history of writing, how it's performed, talk about the lyrics), or is the article on (song) about the actual single release of the song? (the tracks and b-sides on the single, the format of the single, the length of the tracks, the publisher of the disc, etc.)
Because the infobox:Single that usually goes on these songs talks about the disc format and such. I'm looking at the page for Shoe Box E.P. ( Barenaked Ladies) which is a 4-song EP and basically the 'single' release for the song Shoe Box which has no article right now. Currently the E.P. article has the infobox for the song (the single) and in the body, a tracklist of the E.P. I was going to start a seperate article for the song than from the EP, but the Single Infobox I was going to move to the song's article has things like cover and format (CD) which seem to fit the E.P. article better.
What would be the best way to deal with this (the problem is that it's called 'E.P.' even though it's more like a single, and the only physical single release for this song) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheHYPO ( talk • contribs) .
I recently proposed a deletion recommendation for a category called "Weezer singles" on the grounds that it almost completely overlapped category:Weezer songs, and the recommendation passed. I find the overlap of "songs" and "singles" categories to be problematic, as nearly all noteworthy popular songs are singles (take a look at category:U2 singles and category:U2 songs, for example). So I'm inclined to recommmend on CfD that ALL categories named "(Artist) singles" be merged into their corresponding "(Artist) songs" category, if there is one. Please note that I'm not opposing the chronological heirarchy of "(Year) singles" categories or the lovely singles infobox, just the double categorization scheme (so a song might be in "U2 songs" and "1998 singles," but not "U2 singles"). I'd like to hear from people whether they oppose or support such a recommendation.-- Mike Selinker 05:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Could anybody here provide some feedback on the recent discussion at WikiProject Albums? Perhaps that discussion should be moved here. Jogers ( talk) 11:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks in advance. — Zee 11:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Information about the song (song story etc.) or the musical analysis? — Prodigenous Zee - 01:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm attempting to bring the many J-pop songs into line with current category and article naming styles. Some editors have put the names of the songs (and albums and band) in all-caps, a Japanese music affectation for songs like ALL FOR YOU. This seems like shouting, and in clear violation of the guideline, "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art." But it's just my opinion, and at least one editor doesn't share it. Does anyone else have any opinions on this?-- Mike Selinker 07:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
It also depends on what form you choose to use. I've seen just as many katakana and foreign words using normal capitalization as I have seen that use ALL CAPS. I think we should go with normal capitalization because it's already part of WP:MOS and it's easier to read in general. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 17:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
What is this "~title~"-convention some of you are referring to? -- chsf 14:57, 2006-10-09
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This is related to a discussion at Talk:Invisible (Jaded Era song) that I'm in the middle of. If an article covers a song that has been recorded by more than one act, then if/when it has to be disambiguated should it be done using the name of the act who recorded the most notable version of the song, or the name of the act who recorded the song first? I think the latter makes more logical sense (as well as avoiding POV issues), but I was wondering what other people thought about this. Extraordinary Machine 20:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Please give these discussions your attention. Uncle G 00:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
{{Template:WikiProjectSongs}}
This needs to be fixed, redirected from films to songs. -- Fantailfan 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
-- I've only done one template, but this snip
[[Category:WikiProject Films|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:WikiProject banners|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] </noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch:{{{class}}} |FA=[[Category:FA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |A=[[Category:A-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |GA=[[Category:GA-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |B=[[Category:B-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Start=[[Category:Start-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Stub=[[Category:Stub-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Dab=[[Category:Disambig-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Template=[[Category:Template-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |Cat=[[Category:Category-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |=[[Category:No-Class film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] |#default=[[Category:Unassessed film articles|{{PAGENAME}}]] }}</includeonly>
still points to Films.-- Fantailfan 11:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
(1) How does one determine level of importance since WP:NOR and WP:NPOV apply? Should there also be "This article has been rated as X-importance on the importance scale importance scale"?
(2) Should WikiProject Songs have its own article importance grading scheme and assessment pages?
(3) How awesome would it be if there were links to the songs, so people could hear them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.66.210.229 ( talk • contribs).
The notice on the main page is outdated now as I just tagged at least 50 articles in the last hour. 23skidoo 16:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The Beatles is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 15:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've seen a number of songs tagged for this that do not fit the format: they are by that most prolific of songwriters Anonymous and do not have a release year.
A stub for "folksong" and "ballad" would probably help sort them out. Goldfritha 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this project is an excellent idea! Several of the articles I've contributed have been tagged for this project but I don't believe that they fit any of the stubs (for reasons outlined above). I'm interested in traditional songs from Wales, England, Ireland, Brittany, etc. They will all contain lyrics (as they are not subject to copyright) in the original language and a translation into English, as well as some information about the song. But many of the template fields do not apply. -- Maelor 17:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it is about time this makes wikipedia. It has made many night talks and has over 18,500 direct references on the web. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.84.58.231 ( talk • contribs) .
Anyone?
210.84.48.68 05:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it an actual song by an actual musician or band released on actual media (CD) in any English-speaking countries? Please. "Sit on My Face Stevie Nicks" is about as notable. -- Fantailfan 12:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw this template added to the talk page of this article about the Croatian anthem. I am just wondering if "national anthems" are going to be tagged with this for now on, so I do not revert by chance. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
... a single has been released three times but they are all essentially the same song? I guess I'm not making much sense. Here's what I am talking about :
In my opinion three articles is somewhat too much, but at the same time I may be wrong and this may be right. So what is the best thing to do here? Merge? — Prodigenous Zee - 01:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone willing and able to help me or find ratings information about Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other "such as sales figures...and which record charts the song has appeared on"? I would appreciate it much and it would be a quick and easy way to turn an article into a Featured article, per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other. Hyacinth 22:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that several song articles contain trajectories for a music video's day-to-day positions on the MTV Total Request Live countdown. I personally believe such trajectories are completely unnecessary and better suited to a fansite than a general purpose encyclopedia, and they violate the " Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" rule. What does everybody else think? Extraordinary Machine 17:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The lack of (sensible) responses on the above FA is getting quite depressing. Would any editors interested in songs please have a look at the article and leave a comment at the FAC? It would be appreciated, thank you. -- kingboyk 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Whitney Joins The JAMs, a minor KLF song, is on Peer Review. Your comments would be appreciated. -- kingboyk 14:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I just found this notice tag on a song talk page: This article has been automatically assessed as Stub-Class by WikiProject Songs because it uses a stub template. Then it asks whether I agree or not. What does it mean? - Freekee 14:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the double post, I decided at the last minute to post this one for review too. -- kingboyk 14:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I dont know what wikiproject this will belong to. So, I'll let you decide. -- Cat out 18:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The (my) article Dear Lord and Father of Mankind has been tagged as part of WP:Songs. In my opinion, while Hymns and Christian Songs could be part of this project, until the aims of the project are clear, it is a topic left out for the time being. They are not things like singles that need infoboxes so I am not sure what good the project can do. As a result, I have removed the tag, but am not saying that it should not be there in the future.
Good luck,
Mdcollins1984 21:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Articles about Hymns and other older/traditional songs of any religion, published or not, could at least receive the simple infobox "Lyrics by:, Music by:, Published:". robertjohnsonrj 16:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Several articles on my watchlist, including Marian antiphon, Celtic chant, and Ambrosian chant have just been tagged by this WikiProject. These articles do not discuss an individual song, but genres or repertories of songs. In some cases, like Celtic chant and Gallican chant, there are virtually no extent melodies. Do these articles fall under the scope of the project? Peirigill 18:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, how does this project handle songs that were composed prior to the advent of sales charts? Let's say that I write an article on Guillaume Dufay's historically notable motet Nuper rosarum flores. Does a choral work fall under the purview of this Wikiproject? Would I leave the chart listings blank? Would I put some notice like "not applicable" instead? Or would I use the rankings of the most popular commercially released recording? This will definitely matter in the case of Gregorian chants that were recorded on the album Chant. My apologies if these issues have been addressed before. Peirigill 18:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
She Loves You is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Would someone interested in Korn please review the Daddy (song) article and help provide sources for some of the material I removed this evening? The lyrics I believe are a copyright violation so those need not be restored. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Is this project actually proposing an article on every song ever released, regardless of whether or not it's even been released as a single? We have User:Andman8 creating an article on every cut on the album Mach 6 by an artist who is arguably not that well known, surely we don't need an article on every single song? I can bow to the idea of an article on songs that actually make important charts, but Andman8 is posting a Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs link on the Talk page of every single one of the album cut articles as if this is the goal of the project. User:Zoe| (talk) 02:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I could use some help at Talk:Old Dan Tucker. I'm working on an expansion of that article, but I need a little help with interpreting some of the musicologese of my sources. Thanks, — BrianSmithson 07:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm starting to notice some of the song articles linking to YouTube and other video hosting services for the song's music video. Some of the links are being removed because of copyright violation, but others are being kept. I can understand both sides of the issue. For those keeping, there are comparisons to linking to sites for the song's copyrighted lyrics. For those removing, there are arguments of linking to copyrighted information. I think some policy for links to music videos should be established on the project's main page to determine if these links are okay to not. Otherwise, the project may be divided between people who want to link to the music and those who do not. Quop 23:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and made the edit. It would seem okay. Also, I added in the condition about the copyright holder. Cha 00:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've just added support for this WikiProject to my AWB plugin for adding templates to talk pages and assessing articles. Please see User:Kingbotk/Plugin for more information. -- kingboyk 16:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
A Hard Day's Night (song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 20:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I see no reason for not having a "musical structure" section, in which the music itself is described (i.e. in an academic sort of way). Seeing as the music itself can be cited, this would not conflict with Wikipedia's original research policy. Also, if a user notates the music himself (as I did for " (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction,") there is no reason for a segment of each song to not be notated. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 22:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I found a reference to this project on Talk:Child_Ballads, but no other cross references. Now I do not want to interfer with conscious decision tacen after due discussions, I've not followed. However, if the lack of links are due to oversights, I'd like to add Child Ballads to the category Lists of Songs (since the list of the 305 types of Child ballads indeed is the bulk of that article); and I'd like to make the category Child Ballads to a subcategory of the category Songs. Is this OK? JoergenB 18:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I have nothing to say against your suggestion, Freekee. However, just in order to ensure that we speak the same language, let me remind you that Francis James Child did not write the 'popular English and Scottish ballads' he collected and edited. ('Popular' here is used in an older meaning 'related to the people'; i.e., concerning folklore.) A few of the texts he used were actually half a millenium old. Moreover, there is already a Category:Child Ballads (which I propose to put as a subcategory of Category:Songs). JoergenB 15:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that pop, jazz, and blues standards never seem to have infoboxes ... see Over the Rainbow, Fly Me to the Moon, My Funny Valentine, Take the A Train, Statesboro Blues, and many others of this ilk. The Single infobox is inappropriate for these, since most of them weren't singles in the modern sense, and the current Song infobox is oriented towards non-singles from a particular album and thus also inappropriate. Is there another kind of Song infobox out there that I'm not finding? Wasted Time R 21:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that song articles should not include tables showing a single's chart position week by week, although I can't find a specific guideline about that. Nevertheless, I don't think week-by-week tables are needed. This question arose because Don't Forget to Remember Me does include such tables. -- Metropolitan90 04:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I understand that there should be one article per song, and cover versions shouldn't have their own articles. I've done quite a lot of work changing articles about Will Young singles into articles about the songs, and have done some merging of cover versions and splitting of double A-sides. A couple of his covers (" The Long and Winding Road" and " Light My Fire") are now included in Category:Will Young songs. He also did covers of the songs " Hey Ya!", " I Get the Sweetest Feeling", " Beyond the Sea (song)", etc, but were released as B-sides (or in some cases, album tracks), so my question is, should these articles be included in Category:Will Young songs? — AnemoneProj e ctors ( talk) 11:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Get Back is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 19:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Layla is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 19:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've posted this on the WikiProject Music page too, but I'd like to offer my services in notating musical examples for any pages that may need them. You can see my work on Homophony and other pages; I think it really adds to the article. So, if anyone has any requests, fire away. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 22:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the Take on Me article has spoiler warnings inserted in the music video section and found it rather ridiculous. But I don't want to step on any toes and remove it, or warnings in any other song-articles I might stumble across, if this is in fact something that you, the fine people working on articles like that, believe belong there and might even have agreed upon. I can't see any discussions about it here, but I'm not familiar with this project or its history, so I thought I should ask. Thanks. Shanes 05:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if there is any formal process, but I'd like to work on this WikiProject. I enjoy music a (who doesn't).-- ¢² Connor K. 19:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The original page had a single line of text [6], so I redirect to the album it first appeared on Ace (album). Recently, the redirect was undone by an IP to [7]. I reinstated the redirect, but two IPs have now called it vandalism and called me a "page black-outer". Finally, I placed a {{mergeto}} on the page and am willing to discuss this proposal on the talk page. I believe that, unlike Truckin' or Dark Star (song), the song wasn't really notable to the band, being that they stopped playing it after 1974. The information provided on the page could easily be moved to the album page as a section after the track listing. Can someone comment? Am I in the wrong in my thinking? -- moe.RON talk | done | doing 23:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all: I am visiting this project as a result of my own campaign to wipe out all Unreferenced tags from the Z section of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Category:Articles_with_unsourced_statements&from=Z
Just finished editing the Ænema page. (Yes that ligature puts it back with the Z's.) Just about everything in it was Original Research. The only link was to the lyrics of the song. I have noticed the same thing with other aspects of Pop Culture. Everybody fancies himself an Expert.
I am no Expert myself, but it is my belief that ALL the articles in WikiP must be sourced and there must be no Original Research. Is that not the same case with the Songs project? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 07:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been going around replacing outdated and subst'ed album and song infoboxes, and I came across something interesting at the Metallica song pages. There is one template for each album that shows up on each song page. (example here: For Whom the Bell Tolls (song)). I think this might be a more appropriate approach than using the song infobox in some cases, especially for songs off albums where each song has its own page, for example the Led Zeppelin song pages, since the info in each infobox is nearly identical. Any thoughts? -- Alcuin 04:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, could anybody tell me who this mysterious "Strada, bishop of Bologna" is, who is mentioned in the article? Strada is Italian and means "street". And that's what google says to me. No bishop of Bologna. No list of bishops of Bologna list any "Strada". Is this a fake? we are currently discussing this in the German Wikipedia because de:Gaudeamus igitur is candidating for the label "Lesenswert" (a kind of "featured article", second class). -- Rabe! 15:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I Want to Hold Your Hand is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 23:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe that Wikipedia song articles should include the songs lyrics. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.101.40 ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I am BRAND NEW to Wikipedia as a registered user. I just did my first bit of editing - I found a biography of an author whose birth year but not full birth date was shown, and I put in the actual date.
I have found a page called "Category:Neil Diamond songs" at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Neil_Diamond_songs
So far, there are four songs listed. I hope I can write articles for a few of his songs that don't have them yet. In the meantime, a song of his called "Red Red Wine" that is not listed on "Category:Neil Diamond songs" does have a Wikipedia entry at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Red_Wine
I would like to add this to the "Category:Neil Diamond songs" page. I tried to use the "edit this page" tab on this page, but when I clicked on it, all I got was a box containing the words "Category:Songs by artist|Diamond, Neil" contained within a couple of levels of brackets.
Can someone please point me in the direction of how to fill in this box so that I enter "Red Red Wine" without disturbing the other songs already in the list?
While "Red Red Wine" is most famous as done by UB40, Neil Diamond wrote and originally recorded this song. Also, "I'm a Believer", another song written by Neil that's more famous as done by other acts (the Monkees and Smash Mouth) than by Neil himself, appears on the "Category:Neil Diamond songs" page. Thus I feel that the inclusion of "Red Red Wine" is justified here.
Should WikiProjectSongs have an article assessment class entitled "List"? There is one for the "albums" project. I've come across at least 1 song-list article in my current songs class assessment project so far. robertjohnsonrj 23:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Over at the album project, we have a list of tasks to be done, and one of them is infobox conversion. Articles with an old style of infobox, or even tables instead of templates get tagged with {{ needsinfoboxconv}}. Then they get added to Category:Needs album infobox conversion. Notice how it says "album infobox"? Right now the category has over 100 articles, and most of them are songs. The reason I bring this up is I think it would be really cool of some of you guys could go through some and convert them. I'll probably do a few myself, but I thought maybe some of you might be willing to take on the task. Thanks! - Freekee 05:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I’ve been tagging a lot of articles for this project lately, and here’s an idea that occurs to me. There are currently around 22,000 separate articles in the scope of this project, which will require continuous maintainance and observation by this project, and, in many cases, only this project. That seems to me to be possibly too many, particularly considering that many are songs which have only appeared on one album, or are only known through one version. The naturally occurring continued expansion of the song project’s total article number coupled with the expansion of a given song’s article into multiple articles of it (for whatever reason), may increase the total number of song articles, maintainence and observation covered by the song project to an alarming rate. What would the rest of you think of the following proposal: For cases when the song is only known through only one context (i.e., one album and/or one version), use the current song page as a redirect to that song’s section on it’s album page, and cut and paste all the text from the song page into that song’s section on it’s album page? This idea would not necessarily apply to songs or song versions which are very notable on their own, such as songs included in the top 100 rock songs of all time or the song Yesterday (3000 versions). I imagine that there would be more than enough reason to keep them separate. Doing so would both reduce the number of pages to be observed for vandalism and maintained to a much more manageable number, and increase the possibility of the content of the article reaching featured article status, if only as a part of the Album article. Also, if the length of the content regarding a particular song were to be expanded to such length that it would make sense for it to have its own article, or if the album page just got too long, then it could be moved back into the old slot with the redirect removed. But collecting them like this could very easily make it easier and more likely for the content to expand more quickly. robertjohnsonrj 18:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
" It's My Life (Talk Talk song)" needs an infobox, and I'm not sure how to go about it. The cover version by No Doubt is more notable (by which I mean it charted higher); should it have its own article? Do I just put an infobox for Talk Talk's single? Do I put an infobox for both? — ShadowHalo 01:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
See [8]. This is not my field of expertise. Anyone else care to take it on? Zora 17:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the Category:song stubs have become very large, and what's more, categorisation of those seems to be very low. Would there by support for an Category:uncategorised songs maintenance category, on the same pattern as the existing Category:uncategorised albums? This could be periodically be populated by bot from the database dumps. Alai 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Real Love (The Beatles song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 18:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
How should I format the US charts for No Doubt's " Don't Speak"? It didn't chart on the Billboard Hot 100 because it wasn't released as a single for quite awhile. But it did chart #2 on the Modern Rock Tracks and #6 on Adult Contemporary. Should I include these in the infobox; if so, how should I format them? — ShadowHalo 07:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been removing chart trajectories based on WP:MUSIC's decision here, but it seems odd that one has to link to an archive for something like this. Is it alright if I add the decision about chart trajectories to the WP:SONG page? — ShadowHalo 00:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Rather large assumptions in the categories section: "Song articles should be placed into two categories, a subcategory of Category:Songs by artist ("Category:<Artist name> songs") and a subcategory of Category:Songs by year"
In the discussion for the article Willie's Lady, someone asked the necessary questions: "It was written in olde English- what year? by who?" Then I provided the same answer to both questions: No one knows.
Even songs by known authors may not have years. Goldfritha 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a precedent for songs that switched names between albums? Snakes on a Plane (Bring It) was renamed to Bring It (Snakes on a Plane) sometime between its release on Snakes on a Plane: The Album and Cobra Starship's newest album. There is some discussion on the talk page about the name, and the question was asked whether this had any precedent, so I figured the wikiproject would be best able to answer that.-- Miguel Cervantes 22:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I should query whether this article ( Star (Bryan Adams song)) should have a substantial proportion made up of lyrics, that are presumably copyrighted? 149.155.96.5 16:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!
I've seen many, many song articles containing a section titled "Song information" (or "About the song" or something similar), and I really don't see the sense in this. The entire article will contain information about the song, and readers know this, so how can information about the song be restricted to one section? (The presence of such headers in rather short articles violates Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Structure_of_the_article, but that's another matter.) Extraordinary Machine 18:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I note that Guantanamera is in Category:Joan Baez songs - surely that is wrong ? Otherwise Guantanemera has to go in the categories for everyone who has covered it. -- Beardo 19:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you do with the infobox when you have a song that has two different artists, each with a significant (top 40) version of it? Can you do two infoboxes stacked up? Is there a way to nest two infoboxes? - Freekee 04:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This project's guidelines currently state:
I'm not sure this is in line with the official policy at Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works:
Does there really need to be "proof" that a copyright holder is actively seeking to remove the lyrics from the site? On the contrary, it seems like there needs to be positive proof that the hosting site actually has permission before links to lyrics on external sites are used in song articles.
I have requested a copyright infringement check for links to Prince lyrics hosted on dtt-lyrics.com at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 December 17/Articles. Mike Dillon 22:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the project guidelines to match the policy stated on Wikipedia:Copyrights. - Freekee 23:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems like singles should be named after the a-side song, but I've been seeing quite a lot of singes named for the a-side and the b-side songs, such as [[Song A/Song B]]. Is this right? Should we put a stop to it? What about double A-side singles? - Freekee 16:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I've recently had a minor edit conflict with a member of this project. He basically cited WP:SONGS as a justification for reverting my edits. Regardless of the merits or not of my or his edits/approach there a serious issue here.
The way the edit summaries were phrased suggested WP:SONGS was something it's not. WP:SONGS is NOT a policy. Hell it's not even a guideline. It's a wikiproject. As such it has no authority to dictate how song articles are presented on wikipedia. And members of this project have no business trying to force other editors to conform to this projects ideas of how subjects should be presented. By all means discuss, and suggest looking at/contributing to this project as a way of building consensus. But I DON'T want to see more edit summaries saying "Revert. Does not follow WP:SONGS." or anything of that nature. exolon 00:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
This list is a disaster. I've been spending a lot of time removing songs by non-notable artists, but an even bigger problem with this list is that very few of the songs listed actually qualify as protest songs. The list is divided into several topical categories (Abortion, Drugs, War, etc.), and I'm finding that most of these songs do little more than mention or allude to the topic in question--they're not really protesting anything. If anyone wants to help me clean up this list, it would be appreciated.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any sort of guidelines consensus about including lists of covers in song articles? For example, today I encountered House of the Rising Sun (as a result of a Ref Desk question). I noticed that there was a spotty list of some 80 of the possibly infinite number of performers and bands that have done this song. Just looking through AMG will find you several hundred different artists have recorded it; pretty much everyone who has ever played a guitar has tried to cover it, it would appear, and many who haven't. Several of the names on the list couldn't be verified at all, including such minor bads as the Rolling Stones. I decided to do the same thing I've done before on articles on such standards as "Misty": I deleted the whole section, assuming that anyone who has done standards has likely covered the best-know standards, and besides which, an otherwise unannotated list of close to a 100 names isn't particularly helpful -- the linked article won't usually say anything about the song in question, so the reader still needs to hunt down just where the song was covered by the performer, which means running to AMG or some equivalent, and if they're there, what do they need the list in Wikipedia for in the first place? (They're also kinda ugly, but I suppose we could always make a multi-column list.)
I propose that we not include general lists of performers of frequently covered songs. Let's instead point them to the AMG entry about the song, the same way we point movie articles to IMDB.
Thoughts? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 05:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Sub-categories of Category:Songs by artist have the format, Category:Artist X songs. Sub-categories of Category:Songs by composer/ Category:Songs by lyricist have the format Category:Songs by Composer/Lyricist X. While I can think of reasons why one might want these two different formats, it poses a problem if the composer/lyricist is also a performer. Do we really want to have a category of Songs by Hank Williams of songs that he wrote, and another category called Hank Williams songs for all songs that he recorded, or should we have one format that is used all-around? In any case, fixing this looks like a major project for someone with a bot--and that wouldn't be me. - MrFizyx 23:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the "policy" that articles are about songs is incorrect. Please see Talk:Not Fade Away (song) for discussion, and the attached article for an example of what a mess it causes when 3 or more versions of the same song are sharing an article. No other topics share articles like this, with multiple infoboxes and what have you, why should songs be any different? -- kingboyk 16:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to direct your attention to User:Ryanpostlethwaite/WP:MUSIC (album) ( talk page), where we are drafting up new criteria for album notability. The single criterion we have right now just won't do! If you disagree with what is there, please make suggestions! (Originally from WikiProject Music) − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 22:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Could someone go through WP:SONG's featured articles and rate them on the importance scale? It seems like at the very least, the FA's should reflect how we want articles to be. ShadowHalo 18:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Are these allowed? I'm seeing them pop up more often. A current example: Jesus, Take the Wheel. The "last" and "next" single covers are shown as little thumbnails in the chronology. I'm tempted to remove them but I don't know how image policies work with these. Anyone have a clue? - eo 02:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
A quick overview for newcomers: The Kingbotk Plugin is a set of add-on tools for the wiki editor, AWB. In bot mode it offers robust templating for WikiProjects. In manual mode, it can also be used to help editors assess articles quickly and efficiently.
Per requests, myself and Reedy Boy ( talk · contribs) have just released a new version of the Kingbotk Plugin which is compatible with the latest AWB. To make things even easier, the plugin now ships with AWB. You may also have noticed my bot running over the last few days, testing the new version.
Since your WikiProject is one of the few which are programatically supported it's important that you inform us of any important changes to your WikiProject's template which have occurred in the last few months.
I hope you still find the tool useful. Comments, questions and bug reports to User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. Cheers. -- kingboyk 17:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC) PS I hope to have a new revision (version 1 release candidate 2) ready later today, for shipping with the next AWB release.
I saw in the The Sweet Escape (song) article a message: "Do not add the United World Chart to this list as it violates the guidelines set by the Wikiproject Songs". Where exactly does it say that in WP:SONG? More importantly, why can't the United World Chart be used in the "Chart Positions" section in the infobox. If it really can't be used, it should say that in the WikiProject page somewhere.... RaNdOm26 10:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious as to why a cover version, yet not the original has been articled here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastertechnician ( talk • contribs)
Hi. I just added the {{ songs}} template to Talk:Single (music) while closing a move request there. I don't really know whether that article belongs more properly to this project or to the Albums WikiProject, so if I mis-judged, can someone please fix that? Thanks. - GTBacchus( talk) 05:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
A couple of editors have been filling articles with chart listing (both in infoboxes and in tables) from Lithuania, Romania, Latvia, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. At this rate, articles will be swamped with such "information". Is there an approved list of charts for inclusion? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 23:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
ShadowHalo's point is a good one (and I second the request for sources). The point is, though, that if every article on a popular single is to have a table giving chart positions for every music chart in the world, it's going to look a mess. Given that this is the English-language Wikipedia, can't we assume that most readers are going to be uninterested in how well a single did in Lithuania? What other way to we have of keeping the tables down to a reasonable size? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 09:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, it isn't a future problem — I've already seen top-heavy articles. Also, the "Anglosphere" should have priority in general, other things being equal, because this is the English-language Wikipedia. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 15:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Many songs have been covered and it would be possible to have multiple infoboxes. This wouldn't be a problem if some songs hadn't been covered numerous times. For example the song " You Shook Me" I created an infobox for Muddy Waters' single. A Led Zeppelin one was later added, but not a Jeff Beck. Jeck Beck did the song before Led Zeppelin, so if they deserve one Beck most certainly does as well. The problem is that three infoboxes would expand well beyond all the text of the article and wouldn't look right. Would it be better to have only a Muddy Waters infobox or to add a Jeff Beck one? ufossuck 00:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to get some input on the usefulness of {{ Single entry}} (see Mi Sangre for an example). I was going to make some major changes to it, but I want to bring it here first to see if there would be consensus behind it. As is, the entries take up way too much space and provide completely unnecessary detail. Take The Sweet Escape; do we really need to know the track listing for each release of all of the singles when it's only an article about the album? Similarly, is it reasonable to include single covers and thorough lists of chart positions in an article about the album? With only two and a half singles, that section takes up half the article, and it seems just to be duplicating articles about the singles in a list-heavy format, when it should really be contained in prose. ShadowHalo 06:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago it was agreed that the "#" sign was generally unnecessary and undesirable (what else are "1", "37", etc., if not numbers?). They seem to have found themselves back into the infobox; was there a reason for this? I can't find it in the archives. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 22:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It was part of a long, sometimes acrimonious, but eventually fruitful debate about the chart tables (and infoboxes). -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 10:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
perhaps; I'd remembered it as being more general. Why, though, would the style be different between the two? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 11:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
On the page for John Denver a link to a complete list of songs would be good, also a list of movies and television shows in which his music has been featured. Personally I am looking for the title of a movie in which Paradise was featured in the credits. If anyone knows this let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccluresm ( talk • contribs)
As some of you may know, there's been some discussion regarding the number of WikiProject banners on article talk pages. There are three projects underway that attempt to "reduce the clutter". The first, of course, is the "small" option - see Small option for more info. The second is {{ WikiProjectBanners}}, which hides all the banners in a one-line box (see Smells Like Teen Spirit as an example). As has been discussed on that template's talk page, this option has the major disadvantage of hiding WikiProject banners, which defeats one of the purposes - to recruit new members. The third option is {{ WikiProjectBannerShell}}, which addresses that issue by reducing each banner to one line (with the option to view the full banner).
Now the reason I'm bringing this up is because adopting this third option requires a small alteration of a WikiProject's banner - to add the "nested=yes" parameter. I'd like to determine consensus within this project around the change and see if we can move forward with it. I've put together a sample of your banner with the new option ( code). As you can see, there would be no change to the banner if the "nested" parameter isn't there. If it *is* there, the banner would be part of the "within the scope of the following projects..." box.
Just a couple of the 20+ projects that have already implemented this option include: WP:MILHIST, WP:LGBT, WP:ALBUM, WP:India, WP:AVIATION, and WP:CCM.
Thoughts? Concerns? Would going ahead with the alteration be okay? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 15:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been trying to improve the God Save the Queen article. It is a notable song and has been sung regularly for at least 250 years (despite the fact that both words and tune are excruciatingly awful....sorry, is that POV?) I am trying to understand how the resources of this project (eg song template) might be applied in this case but it doesn't work too well. There isn't even a known author of either the words or the music, so not much to put in a template! Any ideas please? Bluewave 12:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The Michael Jackson song "Xscape" is officially named "Escape"
Go to Rodney Jerkin's official website www.darkchild.com and search for songs that he worked on for Michael Jackson's album Invincible in 2001.
Also ASCAP and BMI name it "Escape". "Xscape" is simply fan-fiction.
The article should be changed.