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First off, I wanted to appologize to User:Aboutmovies for wiping out his work, but as User:Katr67 had pointed out on the talk page, I was working on it (and have been for the last 5-6 hours). I just wanted to point out, Wikipedia has a grading scale that is clearly within their guidlines (takes the guesswork away from us) on how to grade article, I believe it is best to stick with their scale rather than trying to create our own and trying to find our own articles for examples. Most of the articles have no class rating or importance rating, so those need to be done as time allows. The table on the assessment page will update once a day early in the morning, so don't expect it to change right after you add the right tags to an article. If you want to make sure the tag is working go to that articles class or importance page list and look for the article to be listed there. Theophilus75 22:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the article to retain everyone's input, changing the examples back to Oregon ones. Hope that works. Katr67 23:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there an Oregon "A" article that anyone knows of? If we don't have one maybe we should put one from another state for now until we do have one. Ideas? Theophilus75 19:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Columbia River is rated "A" by the BC WikiProject, though "B" by the Version 0.5 team for geography articles. Not sure it's had any sort of review. Katr67 20:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the "A" articles trying to find one that was sort of related to Oregon or at least in the same region, which is how I found Columbia River, about which rating I understand completely, AM... Boy Scouts is OK I guess, but I was hoping to use something regional (any region, not just ours) in character, as long as it wasn't in California. ;) You're right we should just make one though. Katr67 04:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Can the "List" classification be added so when we classify them as List they will be removed from "unassessed"? They should not be rated Stub-FA as they have their own ratings guidelines including a Featured List status. Thank you. Aboutmovies 01:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Even before using the script I would add List for the class as I've seen it while doing assessment for other projects. The List was already a part of the template system as it would show "List" as the class when I would add it (if it wasn't in the template programming it would have shown as an error). Aboutmovies 04:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Of the following Category:Oregon sub categories these are complete including all sub cats of these:
Aboutmovies 04:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done as much of T through Z as I can (I created or heavily contributed to the remaining articles), so it would be great if someone can finish off the 35 or so articles left. I'll move on to other letters tomorrow. Aboutmovies 20:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from Aboutmovies talk page: Since you did the excellent Oregon article assessments, I wonder if you could add a row on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oregon/Assessment page for Lists so people know how to rate them, and when they should be rated out of the list category and into Start/B/etc. Are some lists always going to be lists, or is there some magic criteria to lift them out of it? For example, I added pictures (stealing your idea from the judges page, btw) to the List of United States Representatives from Oregon page, thinking that might help it get rated higher, but it was still tagged as a list. I'm not sure what other info it could have, so is that list always going to be a list? Just wondering your thoughts and thought you could start us standardizing that review criterion. -- Sprkee 18:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from Sprkee talk page: Per the conversation that's been on the assessment page between you, me, and 75, I believe lists should be classified as lists until they reach FL ( featured list status) as they are different in scope than regular articles and do not fall into the regular assessment classifications, that's why there is a seperate listing for lists in featured content seperate from regular articles and no GA class. Personally, I'm not someone that uses lists that much (out of roughly 150 articles I've started only one is a list), and would probably not try to make one into featured status or improve up the food chain, but that's me. I see them as a good Wikipedia tool in the sense of an index and for navigation, but not particularly encyclopedic. But as you pointed out it is more up to WPOR to decide how we want to handle Lists. Maybe we could go with FL (featured list), LA (list A class), LB (list B class), and List (for all other lists)? Your thoughts? Aboutmovies 19:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Lists are not FA, they are FL and have a seperate criteria (see above), such as in Talk:List of Anuran families where it is FL. Aboutmovies 19:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Moving from Aboutmovies' talk page:
Every article that was tagged for Oregon now has a class and importance level assigned to it. - T-75| talk| contribs 06:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice work getting all the assessments done! Just to revisit the original plan, this was our target importance breakdown:
With all articles now assessed, the actual breakdown is:
We're right on for the Top importance, but it looks like we may have been a little conservative in our assessments. There are probably more "High" importance articles in those Mid-range articles, and likewise some "Mid" importance in the Low articles. I'm not suggesting that Aboutmovies kill himself with the script again, and there are certainly enough articles to keep us busy at the top end for now, but it might be worthwhile to revisit some of the original assessment criteria. As a starting point, maybe all Governors should be High, all Senators and Congressmen are Mid, all cities with over 10,000 are Mid... and so on. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Something to chew on. Awesome that we got this far this fast! -- Sprkee 17:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I thought there was a general rule against assessing articles if you were "involved" with that article. I know there is for GA, but looking through the assessment FAQ/guidelines it does not appear there is one for below the GA class status. However, it appears as a WikiProject we can add this feature for assessments involving WPOR tags at least. One, I wanted to see if anyone else knew if/where an actual prohibition/frowned upon rule exists. And two, if anyone else shared my concern and thought we might want to add this criteria to the main WPOR assessment page. I personally do not assess articles I have made significant contributions to (sort of a COI problem as I see it), except as Stub since you can't go lower than that. Any thoughts, suggestions? Aboutmovies 00:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
1) Add to the lead: Only members of this wikiproject should make determinations as to the importance factor listing under this wikiproject’s banner, as non-members are likely unfamiliar with the goals of this wikiproject. 2) Add to the lead: Editors who work on an article should not determine the class (Stub/Start/B) of that article to avoid a conflict of interest. However, unsubstantive work such as fixing punctuation or adding categories and wikilinks does not bar an editor from determining the class, unless that work determined the difference between classes. If have improved an article and would like a new assessment, list it below under Requests for assessment. Also, since there is no rating lower than Stub, feel free to rate an article you have created as that classification. Downgrading an article to Stub after working on that article can be perceived as a conflict of interest.
These should address some concerns about bias in the process. Please comment below. Aboutmovies 18:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know a way to conveniently view, for instance, all the "start" class articles that are "high" importance? (In other words, a cross-tabulation of two categories.) - Pete ( talk) 22:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that many (most?) of the school districts in Oregon are rated as "Mid" importance. Is this by design? I woulda thought they'd all be "Low"--which some are. In any case, shouldn't they all have the same rating? I can't think what would make one school district more equal than others. In any case, if we can agree on the importance level, could one-a y'all with yer newfangled aut-o-mated tools fix 'em so they're the same? A good job for a new admin maybe? ;-) -- Esprqii ( talk) 23:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
(undent) I think your methodology sounds good, but I just couldn't see it in place. There are a lot more Mid than you mention, including smaller districts like Ashland School District (Oregon), Milton-Freewater Unified School District, Neah-Kah-Nie School District, and St. Helens School District, to take a random assortment. As you note, it was early in our assessment days and I remember that you were assessing hundreds of articles in bulk, so it's understandable that things slipped through. Just another thing to fix one of these days. -- Esprqii ( talk) 05:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Ten largest as of 2008:
These should be bumped to Mid if not already. Aboutmovies ( talk) 05:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 02:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Need to fix redlinks to moved categories and add what the "Redir" category is for. Katr67 ( talk) 19:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to quite a few stub articles for Oregon, making up about half of all the articles. I recently looked over some and decided to talke on Culture of Oregon To increase it's size and detail. I believe it is right about to the point of being ready to be a start article. I upgaded it as such but I would love for someone else to look it over and make a final call and let me know what to add. I am going to look for additional information as well for it so I can attempt to bring it up as far as i can. I was thinking it would be a good idea to try to update as many stubs as we can to bring them to atleast start level. This would be a very large goal I know but if we start from the high importance level ones and work our way down we can get alot of the articles people would be more likely to use up to a decent level. Let me know what you think thanks guys. MathewDill ( talk) 00:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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First off, I wanted to appologize to User:Aboutmovies for wiping out his work, but as User:Katr67 had pointed out on the talk page, I was working on it (and have been for the last 5-6 hours). I just wanted to point out, Wikipedia has a grading scale that is clearly within their guidlines (takes the guesswork away from us) on how to grade article, I believe it is best to stick with their scale rather than trying to create our own and trying to find our own articles for examples. Most of the articles have no class rating or importance rating, so those need to be done as time allows. The table on the assessment page will update once a day early in the morning, so don't expect it to change right after you add the right tags to an article. If you want to make sure the tag is working go to that articles class or importance page list and look for the article to be listed there. Theophilus75 22:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the article to retain everyone's input, changing the examples back to Oregon ones. Hope that works. Katr67 23:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there an Oregon "A" article that anyone knows of? If we don't have one maybe we should put one from another state for now until we do have one. Ideas? Theophilus75 19:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Columbia River is rated "A" by the BC WikiProject, though "B" by the Version 0.5 team for geography articles. Not sure it's had any sort of review. Katr67 20:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through the "A" articles trying to find one that was sort of related to Oregon or at least in the same region, which is how I found Columbia River, about which rating I understand completely, AM... Boy Scouts is OK I guess, but I was hoping to use something regional (any region, not just ours) in character, as long as it wasn't in California. ;) You're right we should just make one though. Katr67 04:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Can the "List" classification be added so when we classify them as List they will be removed from "unassessed"? They should not be rated Stub-FA as they have their own ratings guidelines including a Featured List status. Thank you. Aboutmovies 01:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Even before using the script I would add List for the class as I've seen it while doing assessment for other projects. The List was already a part of the template system as it would show "List" as the class when I would add it (if it wasn't in the template programming it would have shown as an error). Aboutmovies 04:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Of the following Category:Oregon sub categories these are complete including all sub cats of these:
Aboutmovies 04:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I've done as much of T through Z as I can (I created or heavily contributed to the remaining articles), so it would be great if someone can finish off the 35 or so articles left. I'll move on to other letters tomorrow. Aboutmovies 20:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from Aboutmovies talk page: Since you did the excellent Oregon article assessments, I wonder if you could add a row on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oregon/Assessment page for Lists so people know how to rate them, and when they should be rated out of the list category and into Start/B/etc. Are some lists always going to be lists, or is there some magic criteria to lift them out of it? For example, I added pictures (stealing your idea from the judges page, btw) to the List of United States Representatives from Oregon page, thinking that might help it get rated higher, but it was still tagged as a list. I'm not sure what other info it could have, so is that list always going to be a list? Just wondering your thoughts and thought you could start us standardizing that review criterion. -- Sprkee 18:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved from Sprkee talk page: Per the conversation that's been on the assessment page between you, me, and 75, I believe lists should be classified as lists until they reach FL ( featured list status) as they are different in scope than regular articles and do not fall into the regular assessment classifications, that's why there is a seperate listing for lists in featured content seperate from regular articles and no GA class. Personally, I'm not someone that uses lists that much (out of roughly 150 articles I've started only one is a list), and would probably not try to make one into featured status or improve up the food chain, but that's me. I see them as a good Wikipedia tool in the sense of an index and for navigation, but not particularly encyclopedic. But as you pointed out it is more up to WPOR to decide how we want to handle Lists. Maybe we could go with FL (featured list), LA (list A class), LB (list B class), and List (for all other lists)? Your thoughts? Aboutmovies 19:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Lists are not FA, they are FL and have a seperate criteria (see above), such as in Talk:List of Anuran families where it is FL. Aboutmovies 19:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Moving from Aboutmovies' talk page:
Every article that was tagged for Oregon now has a class and importance level assigned to it. - T-75| talk| contribs 06:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice work getting all the assessments done! Just to revisit the original plan, this was our target importance breakdown:
With all articles now assessed, the actual breakdown is:
We're right on for the Top importance, but it looks like we may have been a little conservative in our assessments. There are probably more "High" importance articles in those Mid-range articles, and likewise some "Mid" importance in the Low articles. I'm not suggesting that Aboutmovies kill himself with the script again, and there are certainly enough articles to keep us busy at the top end for now, but it might be worthwhile to revisit some of the original assessment criteria. As a starting point, maybe all Governors should be High, all Senators and Congressmen are Mid, all cities with over 10,000 are Mid... and so on. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Something to chew on. Awesome that we got this far this fast! -- Sprkee 17:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I thought there was a general rule against assessing articles if you were "involved" with that article. I know there is for GA, but looking through the assessment FAQ/guidelines it does not appear there is one for below the GA class status. However, it appears as a WikiProject we can add this feature for assessments involving WPOR tags at least. One, I wanted to see if anyone else knew if/where an actual prohibition/frowned upon rule exists. And two, if anyone else shared my concern and thought we might want to add this criteria to the main WPOR assessment page. I personally do not assess articles I have made significant contributions to (sort of a COI problem as I see it), except as Stub since you can't go lower than that. Any thoughts, suggestions? Aboutmovies 00:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
1) Add to the lead: Only members of this wikiproject should make determinations as to the importance factor listing under this wikiproject’s banner, as non-members are likely unfamiliar with the goals of this wikiproject. 2) Add to the lead: Editors who work on an article should not determine the class (Stub/Start/B) of that article to avoid a conflict of interest. However, unsubstantive work such as fixing punctuation or adding categories and wikilinks does not bar an editor from determining the class, unless that work determined the difference between classes. If have improved an article and would like a new assessment, list it below under Requests for assessment. Also, since there is no rating lower than Stub, feel free to rate an article you have created as that classification. Downgrading an article to Stub after working on that article can be perceived as a conflict of interest.
These should address some concerns about bias in the process. Please comment below. Aboutmovies 18:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know a way to conveniently view, for instance, all the "start" class articles that are "high" importance? (In other words, a cross-tabulation of two categories.) - Pete ( talk) 22:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that many (most?) of the school districts in Oregon are rated as "Mid" importance. Is this by design? I woulda thought they'd all be "Low"--which some are. In any case, shouldn't they all have the same rating? I can't think what would make one school district more equal than others. In any case, if we can agree on the importance level, could one-a y'all with yer newfangled aut-o-mated tools fix 'em so they're the same? A good job for a new admin maybe? ;-) -- Esprqii ( talk) 23:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
(undent) I think your methodology sounds good, but I just couldn't see it in place. There are a lot more Mid than you mention, including smaller districts like Ashland School District (Oregon), Milton-Freewater Unified School District, Neah-Kah-Nie School District, and St. Helens School District, to take a random assortment. As you note, it was early in our assessment days and I remember that you were assessing hundreds of articles in bulk, so it's understandable that things slipped through. Just another thing to fix one of these days. -- Esprqii ( talk) 05:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Ten largest as of 2008:
These should be bumped to Mid if not already. Aboutmovies ( talk) 05:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt ( talk) 02:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Need to fix redlinks to moved categories and add what the "Redir" category is for. Katr67 ( talk) 19:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to quite a few stub articles for Oregon, making up about half of all the articles. I recently looked over some and decided to talke on Culture of Oregon To increase it's size and detail. I believe it is right about to the point of being ready to be a start article. I upgaded it as such but I would love for someone else to look it over and make a final call and let me know what to add. I am going to look for additional information as well for it so I can attempt to bring it up as far as i can. I was thinking it would be a good idea to try to update as many stubs as we can to bring them to atleast start level. This would be a very large goal I know but if we start from the high importance level ones and work our way down we can get alot of the articles people would be more likely to use up to a decent level. Let me know what you think thanks guys. MathewDill ( talk) 00:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)