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At the Harry Trott FAC discussion, I have been asked to use a consistent form for the phrase "the Ashes" ot "The Ashes" (note the capitalisation of the "T") I agree with the suggestion that we should at least be consistent inside each article but I would suggest a project-wide style would be appropriate. There is no guidance on this topic on the cricket article style guide at WP:CRIC#STYLE.
I prefer "the Ashes" but can see a rationale for capitalising the "The" if the trophy name is "The Ashes" rather than the "Ashes" Others thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 04:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Note that even in the main article on the topic both forms are used interchangeably. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 07:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I've updated WP:CRIC#STYLE to capture these points. Please let me know if any additions or amendments are needed. BlackJack | talk page 09:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
One reviewer at the FAC has criticised this section: "Seems like trivia". There are similar sections in many football FAs (including some I've been involved in). They're less common in cricket articles I suppose because outside of the subcontinent cricket doesn't have anything like the same mass appeal as football.
My stance on this is that the information in the section is all notable, referenced and hangs together relatively well. Some of it is arguably not exactly pop cult, but section headings are rarely rigorous even at FA - they're there to give a reader an expectation of what he'll find there (and help him to find what he's after through the TOC).
In short, I think it's fine, but I promised to solicit other opinions and you lot are ruthless! Give it to me straight... -- Dweller ( talk) 09:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I really do need some more opinions, to help garner consensus... Please??? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Another series of reverts has been taking place on the cricket article over this question of cricket's global popularity status. I think we are going to need admin intervention before long.
My take on this issue is the following, which I've written on the article's talk page:
I'd be interested to know if other members think the claim is at all useful. BlackJack | talk page 09:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
z 00:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
(restart) I have made it quite clear what type of source I think is needed for a claim of this nature. From my comment above: "a claim of that nature, to my mind would require peer-reviewed research from a credible institution." Different types of claims clearly require differing standards of evidence. A claim likely to be challenged, such as this one needs something more than a throwaway reference in a story about local cricket in the US. I don't think we are likely to come to any agreement on this one. If you are not happy about this, feel free to take it to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, stating the fact in question and the source you want to use to support it. Otherwise, as the consensus view is unanimously against inclusion, it is time to move on. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 22:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I've thought about this for a couple of days, and I've concluded that I don't like it. The problem is that it's meaningless. Unless the source says under what measure it's the world's second most popular sport, the claim is easily falsified. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 20:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Thugchildz, remember that Wikipedia proceeds by consensus. I'm afraid you'll have to accept that, whatever you think is right or wrong, consensus is clearly against you on this point. You've had plenty of chance to explain, and the community doesn't agree with you. It's time to let it go. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 09:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this consensus. As there's no objective way of defining "popularity" (no. of participants? no. of professional participants? TV audiences?) nor, really, of defining "sport" (Chess, anyone?), this is an argument you can't win Thugchildz, sorry. And while my heart says that football must indeed be #1, my NPOV/NOR head says we can't even say that, let alone that cricket is #2. If you'd like to narrow the claim to, I dunno, #2 sport in terms of TV audience and you have stats to prove it, it'd conform to NPOV and NOR. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
It is enough to assert that cricket is a major world sport. The article doesn't need someone's opinion that cricket is more popular than another major sport. That adds nothing to the article and it would immediately annoy someone who supports, say, athletics or swimming. The fact that cricket is a major sport is the effect of its huge popularity. We don't do ourselves any favours by boasting about how popular we think we are in comparison to other sports. The article is meant to describe the sport so that a reader who is unfamilar with it can, hopefully, learn a lot about it, but that reader does not want propaganda of the "we are better than them" sort. BlackJack | talk page 20:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a good forking scheme? The article is 60k in prose. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 01:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Please chime in with your opinions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#Two_more_FAC_issues. Thank you. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
... just did something rather nifty for Essex, I think this article is horrifically under written (no infobox!) and he will certainly be getting some attention soon, how about we spruce it up? SGGH speak! 20:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- "Only seven players have surpassed his total, all at a much lower rate Sachin Tendulkar (who required 159 innings to do so), Matthew Hayden (167 innings), Ricky Ponting (170 innings), Sunil Gavaskar (174 innings), Jacques Kallis (200 innings), Brian Lara (205 innings) and Steve Waugh (247 innings)" you don't really needed to list them all. Maybe just say who was the quickest.
- "Next best is Brian Lara with 9 in 232 innings (4%), Walter Hammond with 7 in 140 innings (5%) and Kumar Sangakkara 6 in 110 innings (5%)." again don't need to list them all.
I think it's useful to have the contexts of how his records dominate, in that those who come close in one respect (number of hundreds, or number of double hundreds) have taken more innings to do so, or a far lower %. We've listed all seven of the centurions and the next best three double centurions. The three is subjective, but seems sensible (esp. as once you go to 5 double hundreds, the number of individuals begins to rise quickly) the seven objective. What does the WikiProject think? -- Dweller ( talk) 12:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I really do need some more opinions, to help garner consensus... Please??? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
So, one opinion for 7/3 and one for 1/1. I think either is logical and defensible. Need more opinions to find consensus. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
"Don Bradman’s splendid entry in Wikipedia ..."! -- Dweller ( talk) 09:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
And, by the way, good work to see Wikipedia article's being praised rather than blamed for the downfall of society. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This notion of one six in a career needs to be checked. D. Dyer a member of ACS recently compiled a list of all sixes hit for Notts since scorebooks were kept. Asked at a recent meal how many sixes he hit in his career, Reg Simpson said, Oh not many. In fact he hit over a hundred! I believe there is a claim that ED Weekes hit one six but I've seen thatr this is not true. Another player who claims are made about few sixes is MC Cowdrey. Stats show he hit a few including 2 in 2 balls as late as 1974. The Bradman claim MAY, I say MAY be one of these little stories. It's also worth remembering that the Aussie grounds (and often the UK ones) utilised the full field. Fieldgoalunit ( talk) 20:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Another member of the 1948 Australians has been listed at peer review. Any and all comments would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
...need to be watched for vandalism for the next day or so. I have briefly protected both KP and Colly to weather any initial backlash from whats happened in the game. I suspect this is being too cautious but it can never hurt. 606 is hoppin', and many of the writers there are wikipedia users and casual writers.
SGGH
speak! 18:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been using these criteria for a few weeks now. They were introduced to WP:CRIC earlier this year but are already used by other projects, though the details are rarely the same.
I think we need a rethink about both the wordings and the sequence. I'd like to propose that we change from this:
to this:
The existing criteria 2-4 are effectively about the basic content. Is there enough of it, is it accurate, is it well written, is it structured? I would say that an article that fails any of these should be rated a stub and I think that therefore these three criteria should become nos 1-3 in the sequence. So, having first determined that the article is not a stub, the reviewer can go onto the more exacting criteria around navigation, references and supporting materials.
My rationale for wording changes includes the need to consider WP:NPOV and to check that adequate linkages have been created from the article to other articles. I think we need to say more about grammar and stress that we expect good use of English.
Please discuss. All ideas and feedback welcome. BlackJack | talk page 09:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I've changed the criteria to the proposed ones above. We'll see how they go. It's easy to change them again if anyone thinks of anything else. BlackJack | talk page 18:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I facebooked TMS asking if they (or a fan) would release a pic of Geoffrey Boycott for the article. Maybe they will restraining order me! SGGH speak! 21:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed a lot of red links on the list of female England test cricketers so I've at least started an article on each of them, despite the usual minor skirmishes with the deletion brigade. There's a dearth of articles on players from other test playing countries which might be something to address in the long term. The article on Sarah Potter was greatly improved thanks to a certain editor on here and any other contributions would be welcome. At least our girls still hold the Ashes! Nick mallory ( talk) 11:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Do we want to go down this path in having lists of every match? What next, List of Tests? We do have List of Ashes series (and others), but they're more specific. Moondyne 08:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Article is now prod'ed accordingly. Moondyne 04:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
As there seems to be no consensus to delete this, I've deprodded it accordingly. Moondyne 14:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
For the Ian Johnson (cricketer) article, I am looking for the version of the Laws of Cricket that applied in 1954-55. This is to support a claim in the article about the (alleged) watering of the wicket in the MCG Test of that series. An online source would be beaut, but the exact wording of the watering clause and a reference to an appropriate printed copy of Wisden (I don't own any copies of Wisden at all) would be suitable. Thanks, Mattinbgn\ talk 00:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I think the image would still be under UK copyright, which lasts a bit longer than Australian. I'll look up the laws/playing conditions in the 1954 or 1955 Wisdens this evening UK time. Johnlp ( talk) 14:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you all for your help. If anyone is interested feel free to comment at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Ian Johnson (cricketer)/archive1
Did Ishant bowl at 158 kph yesterday? Please keep an eye on his article. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 04:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Speedboy Salesman has again changed a few articles to indicate that players are bats and not batsmen. Didn't we establish consensus that we'd use batsman? Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at England cricket team. The infobox has a user advert. Could someone take a look at all such incidents? All such adverts should be kept off the main namespace. Plus, shoulnd't the infobox of the england team contain the ECB logo instead of a long distance photo of some players? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 701 of the articles assigned to this project, or 6.3%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
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Can photos with a some rights reserved licence on Flickr such as [3] , [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] be used on Wikipedia? Can we crop [9], or would that be a derivative work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeer.ag ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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This is a new article I've created and would appreciate assistance in expanding the list. If you can remember an English cricketer who also played professional football from an article you made, or have read, then please add them to the list. Thanks guys. Crickettragic ( talk) 00:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Ian Johnson is now a Featured article candidate. A reviewer has requested a check of punctuation etc. and if anyone could take a look and fix any problems they find, it would be much appreciated. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel this article is a little premature? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 03:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I changed back some edits from a very useful copy-edit on Ian Johnson by Mdcollins1984 (thank you!) that, at first, I thought were in error. I have generally used "First Test", "Second Test" etc. when writing cricket articles and I am sure I saw this written somewhere. These were changed in the copy-edit to "second Test", "third Test" etc. Having a look for some guidance I couldn't find anything written and checking articles I see a mixture of styles used for this. Is there a project standard and if not should we have one? Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 09:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
While this may be a longshot, I was wondering if anyone had heard of Arie Molenaar [10]? I came across some info from 1949 that stated he was the best fast bowler in the Netherlands (taking six wickets against a touring MCC side) and had been signed by Lancashire League team Ramsbottom for the 1950 season when he was charged with "provoking the murder" of a shopkeeper in the dying days of WWII. He was gaoled for 10 years. So, while he was never a first-class cricketer, he sounds interesting enough for an article but obviously a bit more information would be great. -- Roisterer ( talk) 05:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I tried to nominate List of international cricket centuries by Sourav Ganguly which I created on the lines of List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar for peer review, but I seem to have messed up Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Review. I tried to fix, but I couldn't. I'd be very grateful if someone could look over it. Abeer.ag ( talk) 13:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
His player page will need to be updated, but I'm afraid I'm here to make a slightly silly comment. There's a link from the Cricinfo story about the T20 game's cancellation to this scorecard for Worcs v Gloucs in 2000. A note at the bottom says "Match to be replayed on 4th July, after it was discovered Worcestershire had played an eligible player." Yes, sic! Loganberry ( Talk) 00:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Following the superb efforts by many people including User:Dweller, User:The Rambling Man and User:Mattinbgn to get The Don up to FA standard, shouldn't we put a similar effort into getting The Great Cricketer himself up where he belongs?
There is already substantial content in the WG article but it does need a serious overhaul and in particular it needs a settled bibliographical section from which to draw meaningful information about the importance of his family; his "shamateurism"; his career (obviously); his illnesses and his medical qualifications; and his immense influence upon the development of cricket.
One of the main criticisms I have of the article as it stands is the fund of "stories" it contains: for example, the one about the train is also attributed to Thornton, the one about the bails to Jupp. The saga of Jones bowling the ball through his beard should be covered in one sentence.
If anyone is interested in forming a WG task force, I'm with you. BlackJack | talk page 18:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Busillis has moved this article to Imran Khan (Pakistani cricketer), and edited a large number of links that pointed to Imran Khan. I was surprised to see this, and asked Busillis's reasoning. The reply implied that the Bollywood actor by the same name was now a big enough star for "Imran Khan" not automatically to be associated with the cricketer. As I'm not familiar with the actor, I can't be sure about this, but from reading his article it doesn't give the impression of a major, established, Imran-the-cricketer-rivalling star, more an impressive up-and-comer. Can anyone here give a more knowledgeable summary? Loganberry ( Talk) 19:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 40 | ← | Archive 45 | Archive 46 | Archive 47 | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 |
At the Harry Trott FAC discussion, I have been asked to use a consistent form for the phrase "the Ashes" ot "The Ashes" (note the capitalisation of the "T") I agree with the suggestion that we should at least be consistent inside each article but I would suggest a project-wide style would be appropriate. There is no guidance on this topic on the cricket article style guide at WP:CRIC#STYLE.
I prefer "the Ashes" but can see a rationale for capitalising the "The" if the trophy name is "The Ashes" rather than the "Ashes" Others thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 04:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Note that even in the main article on the topic both forms are used interchangeably. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 07:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I've updated WP:CRIC#STYLE to capture these points. Please let me know if any additions or amendments are needed. BlackJack | talk page 09:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
One reviewer at the FAC has criticised this section: "Seems like trivia". There are similar sections in many football FAs (including some I've been involved in). They're less common in cricket articles I suppose because outside of the subcontinent cricket doesn't have anything like the same mass appeal as football.
My stance on this is that the information in the section is all notable, referenced and hangs together relatively well. Some of it is arguably not exactly pop cult, but section headings are rarely rigorous even at FA - they're there to give a reader an expectation of what he'll find there (and help him to find what he's after through the TOC).
In short, I think it's fine, but I promised to solicit other opinions and you lot are ruthless! Give it to me straight... -- Dweller ( talk) 09:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I really do need some more opinions, to help garner consensus... Please??? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Another series of reverts has been taking place on the cricket article over this question of cricket's global popularity status. I think we are going to need admin intervention before long.
My take on this issue is the following, which I've written on the article's talk page:
I'd be interested to know if other members think the claim is at all useful. BlackJack | talk page 09:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
z 00:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
(restart) I have made it quite clear what type of source I think is needed for a claim of this nature. From my comment above: "a claim of that nature, to my mind would require peer-reviewed research from a credible institution." Different types of claims clearly require differing standards of evidence. A claim likely to be challenged, such as this one needs something more than a throwaway reference in a story about local cricket in the US. I don't think we are likely to come to any agreement on this one. If you are not happy about this, feel free to take it to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, stating the fact in question and the source you want to use to support it. Otherwise, as the consensus view is unanimously against inclusion, it is time to move on. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 22:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I've thought about this for a couple of days, and I've concluded that I don't like it. The problem is that it's meaningless. Unless the source says under what measure it's the world's second most popular sport, the claim is easily falsified. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 20:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Thugchildz, remember that Wikipedia proceeds by consensus. I'm afraid you'll have to accept that, whatever you think is right or wrong, consensus is clearly against you on this point. You've had plenty of chance to explain, and the community doesn't agree with you. It's time to let it go. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 09:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this consensus. As there's no objective way of defining "popularity" (no. of participants? no. of professional participants? TV audiences?) nor, really, of defining "sport" (Chess, anyone?), this is an argument you can't win Thugchildz, sorry. And while my heart says that football must indeed be #1, my NPOV/NOR head says we can't even say that, let alone that cricket is #2. If you'd like to narrow the claim to, I dunno, #2 sport in terms of TV audience and you have stats to prove it, it'd conform to NPOV and NOR. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
It is enough to assert that cricket is a major world sport. The article doesn't need someone's opinion that cricket is more popular than another major sport. That adds nothing to the article and it would immediately annoy someone who supports, say, athletics or swimming. The fact that cricket is a major sport is the effect of its huge popularity. We don't do ourselves any favours by boasting about how popular we think we are in comparison to other sports. The article is meant to describe the sport so that a reader who is unfamilar with it can, hopefully, learn a lot about it, but that reader does not want propaganda of the "we are better than them" sort. BlackJack | talk page 20:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a good forking scheme? The article is 60k in prose. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 01:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Please chime in with your opinions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#Two_more_FAC_issues. Thank you. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
... just did something rather nifty for Essex, I think this article is horrifically under written (no infobox!) and he will certainly be getting some attention soon, how about we spruce it up? SGGH speak! 20:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- "Only seven players have surpassed his total, all at a much lower rate Sachin Tendulkar (who required 159 innings to do so), Matthew Hayden (167 innings), Ricky Ponting (170 innings), Sunil Gavaskar (174 innings), Jacques Kallis (200 innings), Brian Lara (205 innings) and Steve Waugh (247 innings)" you don't really needed to list them all. Maybe just say who was the quickest.
- "Next best is Brian Lara with 9 in 232 innings (4%), Walter Hammond with 7 in 140 innings (5%) and Kumar Sangakkara 6 in 110 innings (5%)." again don't need to list them all.
I think it's useful to have the contexts of how his records dominate, in that those who come close in one respect (number of hundreds, or number of double hundreds) have taken more innings to do so, or a far lower %. We've listed all seven of the centurions and the next best three double centurions. The three is subjective, but seems sensible (esp. as once you go to 5 double hundreds, the number of individuals begins to rise quickly) the seven objective. What does the WikiProject think? -- Dweller ( talk) 12:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I really do need some more opinions, to help garner consensus... Please??? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
So, one opinion for 7/3 and one for 1/1. I think either is logical and defensible. Need more opinions to find consensus. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
"Don Bradman’s splendid entry in Wikipedia ..."! -- Dweller ( talk) 09:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
And, by the way, good work to see Wikipedia article's being praised rather than blamed for the downfall of society. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This notion of one six in a career needs to be checked. D. Dyer a member of ACS recently compiled a list of all sixes hit for Notts since scorebooks were kept. Asked at a recent meal how many sixes he hit in his career, Reg Simpson said, Oh not many. In fact he hit over a hundred! I believe there is a claim that ED Weekes hit one six but I've seen thatr this is not true. Another player who claims are made about few sixes is MC Cowdrey. Stats show he hit a few including 2 in 2 balls as late as 1974. The Bradman claim MAY, I say MAY be one of these little stories. It's also worth remembering that the Aussie grounds (and often the UK ones) utilised the full field. Fieldgoalunit ( talk) 20:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Another member of the 1948 Australians has been listed at peer review. Any and all comments would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
...need to be watched for vandalism for the next day or so. I have briefly protected both KP and Colly to weather any initial backlash from whats happened in the game. I suspect this is being too cautious but it can never hurt. 606 is hoppin', and many of the writers there are wikipedia users and casual writers.
SGGH
speak! 18:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been using these criteria for a few weeks now. They were introduced to WP:CRIC earlier this year but are already used by other projects, though the details are rarely the same.
I think we need a rethink about both the wordings and the sequence. I'd like to propose that we change from this:
to this:
The existing criteria 2-4 are effectively about the basic content. Is there enough of it, is it accurate, is it well written, is it structured? I would say that an article that fails any of these should be rated a stub and I think that therefore these three criteria should become nos 1-3 in the sequence. So, having first determined that the article is not a stub, the reviewer can go onto the more exacting criteria around navigation, references and supporting materials.
My rationale for wording changes includes the need to consider WP:NPOV and to check that adequate linkages have been created from the article to other articles. I think we need to say more about grammar and stress that we expect good use of English.
Please discuss. All ideas and feedback welcome. BlackJack | talk page 09:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I've changed the criteria to the proposed ones above. We'll see how they go. It's easy to change them again if anyone thinks of anything else. BlackJack | talk page 18:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I facebooked TMS asking if they (or a fan) would release a pic of Geoffrey Boycott for the article. Maybe they will restraining order me! SGGH speak! 21:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed a lot of red links on the list of female England test cricketers so I've at least started an article on each of them, despite the usual minor skirmishes with the deletion brigade. There's a dearth of articles on players from other test playing countries which might be something to address in the long term. The article on Sarah Potter was greatly improved thanks to a certain editor on here and any other contributions would be welcome. At least our girls still hold the Ashes! Nick mallory ( talk) 11:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Do we want to go down this path in having lists of every match? What next, List of Tests? We do have List of Ashes series (and others), but they're more specific. Moondyne 08:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Article is now prod'ed accordingly. Moondyne 04:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
As there seems to be no consensus to delete this, I've deprodded it accordingly. Moondyne 14:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
For the Ian Johnson (cricketer) article, I am looking for the version of the Laws of Cricket that applied in 1954-55. This is to support a claim in the article about the (alleged) watering of the wicket in the MCG Test of that series. An online source would be beaut, but the exact wording of the watering clause and a reference to an appropriate printed copy of Wisden (I don't own any copies of Wisden at all) would be suitable. Thanks, Mattinbgn\ talk 00:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I think the image would still be under UK copyright, which lasts a bit longer than Australian. I'll look up the laws/playing conditions in the 1954 or 1955 Wisdens this evening UK time. Johnlp ( talk) 14:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you all for your help. If anyone is interested feel free to comment at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Ian Johnson (cricketer)/archive1
Did Ishant bowl at 158 kph yesterday? Please keep an eye on his article. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 04:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Speedboy Salesman has again changed a few articles to indicate that players are bats and not batsmen. Didn't we establish consensus that we'd use batsman? Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at England cricket team. The infobox has a user advert. Could someone take a look at all such incidents? All such adverts should be kept off the main namespace. Plus, shoulnd't the infobox of the england team contain the ECB logo instead of a long distance photo of some players? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, 701 of the articles assigned to this project, or 6.3%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 17:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
This article's Featured list removal candidate page is still open at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of English Twenty20 International cricketers. I encourage any contributors to visit the page in an attempt to resolve any outstanding comments before the nomination is closed. Matthewedwards ( talk • contribs • email) 06:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Can photos with a some rights reserved licence on Flickr such as [3] , [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] be used on Wikipedia? Can we crop [9], or would that be a derivative work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeer.ag ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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This is a new article I've created and would appreciate assistance in expanding the list. If you can remember an English cricketer who also played professional football from an article you made, or have read, then please add them to the list. Thanks guys. Crickettragic ( talk) 00:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Ian Johnson is now a Featured article candidate. A reviewer has requested a check of punctuation etc. and if anyone could take a look and fix any problems they find, it would be much appreciated. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel this article is a little premature? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 03:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I changed back some edits from a very useful copy-edit on Ian Johnson by Mdcollins1984 (thank you!) that, at first, I thought were in error. I have generally used "First Test", "Second Test" etc. when writing cricket articles and I am sure I saw this written somewhere. These were changed in the copy-edit to "second Test", "third Test" etc. Having a look for some guidance I couldn't find anything written and checking articles I see a mixture of styles used for this. Is there a project standard and if not should we have one? Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 09:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
While this may be a longshot, I was wondering if anyone had heard of Arie Molenaar [10]? I came across some info from 1949 that stated he was the best fast bowler in the Netherlands (taking six wickets against a touring MCC side) and had been signed by Lancashire League team Ramsbottom for the 1950 season when he was charged with "provoking the murder" of a shopkeeper in the dying days of WWII. He was gaoled for 10 years. So, while he was never a first-class cricketer, he sounds interesting enough for an article but obviously a bit more information would be great. -- Roisterer ( talk) 05:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I tried to nominate List of international cricket centuries by Sourav Ganguly which I created on the lines of List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar for peer review, but I seem to have messed up Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Review. I tried to fix, but I couldn't. I'd be very grateful if someone could look over it. Abeer.ag ( talk) 13:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
His player page will need to be updated, but I'm afraid I'm here to make a slightly silly comment. There's a link from the Cricinfo story about the T20 game's cancellation to this scorecard for Worcs v Gloucs in 2000. A note at the bottom says "Match to be replayed on 4th July, after it was discovered Worcestershire had played an eligible player." Yes, sic! Loganberry ( Talk) 00:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Following the superb efforts by many people including User:Dweller, User:The Rambling Man and User:Mattinbgn to get The Don up to FA standard, shouldn't we put a similar effort into getting The Great Cricketer himself up where he belongs?
There is already substantial content in the WG article but it does need a serious overhaul and in particular it needs a settled bibliographical section from which to draw meaningful information about the importance of his family; his "shamateurism"; his career (obviously); his illnesses and his medical qualifications; and his immense influence upon the development of cricket.
One of the main criticisms I have of the article as it stands is the fund of "stories" it contains: for example, the one about the train is also attributed to Thornton, the one about the bails to Jupp. The saga of Jones bowling the ball through his beard should be covered in one sentence.
If anyone is interested in forming a WG task force, I'm with you. BlackJack | talk page 18:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Busillis has moved this article to Imran Khan (Pakistani cricketer), and edited a large number of links that pointed to Imran Khan. I was surprised to see this, and asked Busillis's reasoning. The reply implied that the Bollywood actor by the same name was now a big enough star for "Imran Khan" not automatically to be associated with the cricketer. As I'm not familiar with the actor, I can't be sure about this, but from reading his article it doesn't give the impression of a major, established, Imran-the-cricketer-rivalling star, more an impressive up-and-comer. Can anyone here give a more knowledgeable summary? Loganberry ( Talk) 19:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)