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I'm figuring to send out to the various projects notice of the directory so that they all can make any improvements or corrections in their listings. I also intend to subtly (as subtly as I get, anyway) mention the possibility of perhaps beginning collaborations and assessments if they have not already done so, partially on the basis of the colums in the directory. I'm also working on a similarly-organized list of portals, which I am currently developing. However, I note that many of these portals seem to exist independent of projects. Should I attempt a draft of a note to the portal managers which might not "turn off" the portal managers or not? You all have much more experience in this than I do, so I very much welcome any input in this potentially delicate matter.
There is also questions to be asked about some of these portals. Specifically, are there any similar guidelines in place for determining when a portal is defunct? Also, I note that one portal which relates to the new Germany project is, of course,
Portal:Nazism. As a person of German ancestry, I'm kind of put out by having the low point of my ancestral fatherland getting that extraordinary degree of attention. Does anyone think it might be a decent idea to create an alternative World War II portal to replace complement the Nazism portal?
Badbilltucker 19:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey everyone, just joined the project. I founded WikiProject Guitarists so I am familiar with the ongoing issues of scope overlap that have been discussed here.
Anyway, what can I do? My first thought after reviewing the to-do list is that I could sort through the Proposed list. A good start would be to alphabetize for easiest browsing - I think anyone browsing that list would be better served by alpha rather than chronological organization. I could also contact people who have proposed projects that are still listed after a defined length of time to find out if they plan to create it or just delist the proposal, etc.
Thoughts? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 19:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
So, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. If a WikiProject has their own peer review page, we want to encourage placing requests there, and they can be linked or transcluded on the main PR page? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I just want to make sure I have a handle on what needs to be done. We approach WikiProject coordinators and ask them to:
Is that correct? Will it be problematic if editors still post requests to the main list? There must be peer review requests that won't fall under the scope of any WikiProject. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 15:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So, now that the directory seems to be taking shape, what would be the best way to clean up Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects?
My suggestion:
Thoughts? Does any of that seem sensible, or am I way off here? Kirill Lokshin 23:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
NCurs e work 07:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I almost forgot. I was playing around with a template idea for helping us with organizing proposed projects. One of the problems I see is that it's hard to keep updated on if anyone has commented or taken interest in a proposed project, since there's so many sharing one edit history. I was thinking we could do some transclusion kind of like an AfD page does, using the temp page that users are supposed to make. I threw this together, Template:wpp1, and when you do {{subst:wpp1|Project Name}} on a new user subpage you get the basic layout that proposals use (with automatic date-stamp). Then they can fill things out, and them put the temp page contents in the <noincude> section. Then they list their page on the proposal page via {{User:User Name/Subpage name}}.
Like an AfD or FAC, etc, users can track discussion and such on an individual subpage, but without making two different subpages. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 19:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I was planning on proposing a WikiProject for South Dakota articles, but should I wait until you guys decide what you're going to do? - Lex 18:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The list of portals which I have created to accompany the list of projects which we will be sending out to the various projects is at User:B2T2/Portal. If there are no objections, I anticipate sending information about the new, expanded, directory out to the various projects starting tomorrow, giving them an opportunity to make any changes they see fit related to their own projects until the beginning of November. At that time, we could substitute the more recent draft of the directory in for the current draft. Badbilltucker 16:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, the draft of the letter I am intending to send out is at User:B2T2/Letter. I figure I'll try to send it out in about six hours from now. Anyone who sees this, please feel free to make any changes you deem called for in it by that time. B2T2 15:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So, this isn't a WikiProject about sorting out councils then, is it? Simply south 19:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
It looks like someone involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism and counter-terrorism merged some templates and other material from Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism into his own project. The founder of the latter project is understandably upset about it. Maybe someone with more experience than me should step in to handle this one; I don't think I'm qualified. B2T2 22:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
May I recommend that certain templates be made that classify a WikiProject by Activity so new users will not join a dead project? I think that much can be done to improve the WikiProject system, perhaps even limiting their creation to where a critical mass has already formed. I fell strongly on the issue of the large amount of inactive projects; see my essay.-- Here T oHelp 01:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else think we should discourage the use of people labeling themselves as a "founder" of a WikiProject? I don't think we should "forbid" it or anything like that, but it just rubs me the wrong way whenever I see someone make that claim. It sends the wrong message about WikiProjects, as WikiProjects have no hierarchy. -- Ned Scott 02:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I note that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Underground, founded by someone we all know and love, has recently decided that it qualifies under the Technology section of the directory at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science#Technology. This raises the issue of when, if ever, we assert some degree of control over the directory, which I believe we can do as it is, literally, our creature. I really, really look forward to hearing from some of you soon regarding this matter. Badbilltucker 15:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Basically ready to go ahead with the tentative working draft of the directory, upon completion of two things. (1) I have no idea where to put the new WikiProject Beekeeping, and am waiting for a response from the project's creator. (2) Only one group seems to have wanted to include itself in areas where it really might not qualify, that being Doctor Who. It is already included the BBC section, and has been added to the Television and British TV shows sub-sections of User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory by Josiah Rowe. Frankly, I expected many more and worse redundancies than these. Personally, I think inclusion in the BBC main subsection of Broadcasting makes the other two redundant, and would prefer if they remained out of them, because if Doctor Who can fit there, so can all the other BBC and ITV productions, making the sub-cat that much bigger. If anyone has any thoughts before beekeeping tells me where they think they belong and I hopefully finalize the list, please indicate as much. Thanks. Badbilltucker 18:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
It’s nice to see a central place for projects. Would it make sense to open up a few sub-pages for the “main objectives”? I’ve modified a navigation template for the page (User:Bookandcoffee/Sandbox) that reflects the sub-section, and I added a third section for “Proposals” - not in the sense of new projects, but for bouncing around new ideas for established projects. Good? Bad? Otherwise? :)--
Bookandcoffee 18:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
{{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Navigation}} - Well there's my best effort. I'll leave it here for you to decide if you want to use it or not. Cheers.-- Bookandcoffee 22:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I worked up a rough idea of how we could handle proposal submission. Please see User:Aguerriero/Proposal. The idea is that this would be at the top of the new proposal page, located at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals. So if someone wants to submit a new proposal, they use the inputbox. All they have to do is append the name of their project to the end, click Create, and it gives them a template to fill in. When they save, it creates a subpage to /Proposals named whatever their project is. I think. ;) We'd have to have a bot check for new subpages and transclude them to the main list, which is under the heading Current Proposals.
Possible issues:
Anyway, let me know what you think. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I have proposed to members of WikiProject Hard Rock that the WikiProject be expanded to include rock music in general, as there isn't one that exists. The creator is all for it, and I haven't gotten any other response as the WikiProject is inactive. So I would like to get going on expanding it, so how would I go about that? Is it possible to move all the related pages to new names, or just start a new project? -- Reaper X 23:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to organize something like this in nl:, but what i miss is an elaboration on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide#Common_pitfalls. Aleichem 13:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
First, thanks for your work trying to (re)organize the WikiProject's structure. Second, I'll now proceed to step on some toes and get my nose broken! :-)
I have several questions regarding "closer to home" (for you) problems with the categories in Category:WikiProject Council :
I certainly have come across these issues/problems with categories in many other areas of the encyclopedia--and I know there's a project page, that's how I wound up here, trying to bring a little order into a disordered world. But this is an especially proper place to raise these questions since a number of admins appear to be members of the team and yet these are "newbie" type problems? --Thanks for your "considered" response. RCEberwein | Talk 14:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure where else to bring this, so I hope you can help. I've essentially taken over Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal and have been restructuring it as well as building it up to standards. However, I've run into a serious problem with another wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Rational Skepticism. Our scope is exactly the same, but their goal is essentially to 'correct' POV from our project (and in general), which has created a very adversarial atmosphere. I'm not quite sure how to remedy this; a merger seems like the best option, but I'm not sure it could happen voluntarily. Any thoughts? -- InShaneee 02:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#Relativity -- plange 19:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that people are starting to tag actual WikiProjects with this thing, which seems to be a rather bad idea. Given that we've basically moved (or are in the process of moving) all the pages of interest to us under the main project as subpages, do we actually need this? If it's going to cause problems, it seems better to just get rid of it. Kirill Lokshin 14:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
We now have a Wikipedia:WikiProject Counter-Jihad Education Taskforce. So far as I can tell, the purpose seems to be to cover articles relataing to Islamic terrorism. It also has the "little green footballs" picture which I have learned to have reservations about. It also seems to intentionally, potentially be a POV fork. The scope, "all topics about Islam and about terrorism". seems to be wholly inapprorpriate to the other stated goal, Islamic terrorism. To quote Sergeant Schultz, "I know nothing" about this and sincerely hope that one or more of the rest of you might be able to help this editor and his project, one way or another. Thank you. Badbilltucker 21:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
These may not be new:
Summary WikiProject stats:
Cheers-- Ling.Nut 22:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
On a similar but not totally related note, some bright spark knocked together a script to provide more detailed WikiProject article stats, including % of articles at each grade. See Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index#Article_counts. -- kingboyk 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I feel that WikiProject Trivia Cleanup is very much a POV project and the actions taken by its members should be assessed to determine whether the project is necessary and should continue as it has. The members seem to have a very narrow viewpoint on what constitutes "too much trivia", and I believe that if they apply this viewpoint to Wikipedia as a whole, they will leave a significant number of articles "gutted" in their wake. This is especially true for articles whose subject matter is by nature trivia-heavy, such as articles for pop-culture-referencing entertainment such as episodes of South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc., where noting such references are an integral part of the description. Just one man's opinion, of course, but I thought this should be noted. -- Pennyforth 16:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope that got your attention. This morning, I looked at the list of Wikipedia CD selections, and the first one I pulled up,
Basilica of San Francesco d'Assisi, had yet to have any of the relevant project banners placed on it. Now, it has one. But this does bring into focus just how many articles have yet to be assessed, even important and relatively high-quality ones. If this situation continues, it will be much harder for many of these important or relatively high-quality articles to get any attention. I will try to start tagging the CD selections, but there's a very big limit on what I will be able to do on my own.
I wonder what the rest of you think of the following proposals. Right now, there still exist significant areas of human knowledge which do not have any specific close ties to any projects. These include radio, the nations of Russia, France, Italy, and, yes, the UK, anthropology, and many of the families and species of organic life. Do any of you think it might be a good idea to maybe list on the
Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects these projects which seem to be conspicuous by their absence, maybe under a different section? Also, if and when most of the big areas are covered, what would you all think of creating a different group, maybe one listed on the community portal, which would have the function of basically performing triage on as-yet unassessed articles, determining their relative quality and placing the appropriate banners on them? IF, and that is a big if, both of these things could be done, it would be a lot easier for everyone else to know what's out there and what needs most improvement.
I, of course, can and will do nothing really useful, simply throw out questions which I myself cannot answer. However, I would be very interested in the responses, if any. Thank you.
Badbilltucker 20:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I can see a lot of value in identifying CD selections and trying to marry them to one or more WikiProjects (wait, wouldn't that be polygamy?). That falls under the category "Things I thought someone had probably already done" but the more time I spend here, the more things I find in that category that aren't actually done. :) I would be willing to help out. And now that you mention it, I might consider starting WikiProject Italy. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all I've been noticing lately that some article talk pages are getting a huge number of tags - so many that they're hiding the talk discussion. By tags, I mean both WikiProject (WP) and non-WP tags, but mainly the former. An example would have been Albert Einstein, but that's just undergone a serious trim (hence prompting this idea).
I'd like to put forward two seperate proposals for clearing up this mess, and returning talk pages to their proper use:
I personally prefer #2, so I'll elaborate on that a little. Template-wise, I'd suggest something like the following:
{{TalkTemplate | wikiprojects={{physics|importance=high}} {{WPBiography|priority=}} | featured={{FAC}} | goodarticle={{GA}} | rating=A }}
This could then set up a bar at the top of the page, which would reveal all of the tags in an appropriate order when the "show" button is pressed. Such show/hide buttons are currently used in various places in talk templates around wikipedia.
Note that I'm also suggesting that the ratings of the article, currently done on per-wikiproject basis, are done once. While I recognize that different WPs may want to rate the article differently, I have yet to see this in practice. I guess the importance tags would be a different matter.
What do people here think to this suggestion? Mike Peel 12:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
(move indent):This all sounds pretty top-downish to me. I suspect that the response to attempts to impose such top-down initiatives will probably be "Says who? Show me the policy/guideline?" [Speaking frankly, that would be my response as well.]-- Ling.Nut 17:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Two obvious responses:
Kirill Lokshin 18:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
(move indents):
-- Ling.Nut 21:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Correction: I would never fight other peoples' right to follow such a proposal. If someone tries to force me to implement it, I will fight... of course. It might even be enough to make me quit Wikipedia; not that templates are important, but that principles are. -- Ling.Nut 22:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I haven't actually read much of this discussion yet, but if it's involving boxes at the top of talk pages then you guys might be interested in the new changes to
Wikipedia:Talk page templates#Small option. --
Ned Scott 05:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Kill talkheader and put it into Mediawiki namespace, please. That one truly is clutter. -- kingboyk 10:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I love the new template, and wonder whether the rest of you think that the list of proposed projects should be included on it. I would think so, as it would both serve as a link on that page to the council guide, which a lot of project proposers could benefit from reading, and so that the members of this group can more closely monitor activity on that page. Badbilltucker 19:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, since there don't seem to be any objections, I've moved the proposed project page to a subpage here. Kirill Lokshin 13:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this is the right place for this (if not someone direct me in the right direction) - after looking at the output of many wikiproject, I feel strongly that every project should try and solicit at least 2 members who have no interest in that particular subject but are willing to look in as a general reader. Many wiki projects seems to be turning out articles by fans for fans. A guiding hand from the start might help reduce a lot of the massive rewrites that some articles now seem to require. -- Charlesknight 23:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Specifically redirects such as WikiProject Tulips redirecting to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tulips (and the like). Join the discussion! Girolamo Savonarola 21:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
How do you know if a WikiProject has been acceted?
I've found two recent joiners are having some troubles with Wikipedia:WikiProject Silver Dollar City and the new proposed WikiProject Africa. Should we maybe contact those who join to see why they're joining? Badbilltucker 02:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I go about editing this project template: {{subst:WikiProject|Name of project}}
. I'm just working out how to create a project with a view to possibly starting one in the future. Or would I be better off copying the code from another WP page and trimming as required? Thanks
RHB 21:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
It is a good idea for WikiProjects to use the rating system, but this inludes having that rating information in the WikiProject banner. The problem is that coding WikProject banners to inlcude this rating system requires quite a good coding experience (just see {{ WPBeatles}}). Could it be possible to set up a small directory of volunteers willing to code templates to inlcude the rating system, maybe a list of users that you could contact? Nautica Shad e s 17:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The project isn't underway yet, but when (if) it is, I will consider doing that. This actually made me thought of something else though. How about creating a sample banner, which includes all of this, but instead of the WikiProject this or WIkiproject that, it just has a blank space. Users could then copy and past this, then fill in the appropriate places. Nautica Shad e s 17:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I added {{ Inactive}} to Category: WikiProject Council templates and added the {{ WPCouncil}} banner to its talk page, but I was wondering if this template should have a link to the Council, just like {{ Historical}} links to The Village Pump. What do you think? Nautica Shad e s 17:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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I'm figuring to send out to the various projects notice of the directory so that they all can make any improvements or corrections in their listings. I also intend to subtly (as subtly as I get, anyway) mention the possibility of perhaps beginning collaborations and assessments if they have not already done so, partially on the basis of the colums in the directory. I'm also working on a similarly-organized list of portals, which I am currently developing. However, I note that many of these portals seem to exist independent of projects. Should I attempt a draft of a note to the portal managers which might not "turn off" the portal managers or not? You all have much more experience in this than I do, so I very much welcome any input in this potentially delicate matter.
There is also questions to be asked about some of these portals. Specifically, are there any similar guidelines in place for determining when a portal is defunct? Also, I note that one portal which relates to the new Germany project is, of course,
Portal:Nazism. As a person of German ancestry, I'm kind of put out by having the low point of my ancestral fatherland getting that extraordinary degree of attention. Does anyone think it might be a decent idea to create an alternative World War II portal to replace complement the Nazism portal?
Badbilltucker 19:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey everyone, just joined the project. I founded WikiProject Guitarists so I am familiar with the ongoing issues of scope overlap that have been discussed here.
Anyway, what can I do? My first thought after reviewing the to-do list is that I could sort through the Proposed list. A good start would be to alphabetize for easiest browsing - I think anyone browsing that list would be better served by alpha rather than chronological organization. I could also contact people who have proposed projects that are still listed after a defined length of time to find out if they plan to create it or just delist the proposal, etc.
Thoughts? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 19:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
So, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. If a WikiProject has their own peer review page, we want to encourage placing requests there, and they can be linked or transcluded on the main PR page? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I just want to make sure I have a handle on what needs to be done. We approach WikiProject coordinators and ask them to:
Is that correct? Will it be problematic if editors still post requests to the main list? There must be peer review requests that won't fall under the scope of any WikiProject. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 15:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So, now that the directory seems to be taking shape, what would be the best way to clean up Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects?
My suggestion:
Thoughts? Does any of that seem sensible, or am I way off here? Kirill Lokshin 23:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
NCurs e work 07:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I almost forgot. I was playing around with a template idea for helping us with organizing proposed projects. One of the problems I see is that it's hard to keep updated on if anyone has commented or taken interest in a proposed project, since there's so many sharing one edit history. I was thinking we could do some transclusion kind of like an AfD page does, using the temp page that users are supposed to make. I threw this together, Template:wpp1, and when you do {{subst:wpp1|Project Name}} on a new user subpage you get the basic layout that proposals use (with automatic date-stamp). Then they can fill things out, and them put the temp page contents in the <noincude> section. Then they list their page on the proposal page via {{User:User Name/Subpage name}}.
Like an AfD or FAC, etc, users can track discussion and such on an individual subpage, but without making two different subpages. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 19:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I was planning on proposing a WikiProject for South Dakota articles, but should I wait until you guys decide what you're going to do? - Lex 18:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The list of portals which I have created to accompany the list of projects which we will be sending out to the various projects is at User:B2T2/Portal. If there are no objections, I anticipate sending information about the new, expanded, directory out to the various projects starting tomorrow, giving them an opportunity to make any changes they see fit related to their own projects until the beginning of November. At that time, we could substitute the more recent draft of the directory in for the current draft. Badbilltucker 16:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, the draft of the letter I am intending to send out is at User:B2T2/Letter. I figure I'll try to send it out in about six hours from now. Anyone who sees this, please feel free to make any changes you deem called for in it by that time. B2T2 15:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So, this isn't a WikiProject about sorting out councils then, is it? Simply south 19:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
It looks like someone involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism and counter-terrorism merged some templates and other material from Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism into his own project. The founder of the latter project is understandably upset about it. Maybe someone with more experience than me should step in to handle this one; I don't think I'm qualified. B2T2 22:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
May I recommend that certain templates be made that classify a WikiProject by Activity so new users will not join a dead project? I think that much can be done to improve the WikiProject system, perhaps even limiting their creation to where a critical mass has already formed. I fell strongly on the issue of the large amount of inactive projects; see my essay.-- Here T oHelp 01:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else think we should discourage the use of people labeling themselves as a "founder" of a WikiProject? I don't think we should "forbid" it or anything like that, but it just rubs me the wrong way whenever I see someone make that claim. It sends the wrong message about WikiProjects, as WikiProjects have no hierarchy. -- Ned Scott 02:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I note that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Underground, founded by someone we all know and love, has recently decided that it qualifies under the Technology section of the directory at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science#Technology. This raises the issue of when, if ever, we assert some degree of control over the directory, which I believe we can do as it is, literally, our creature. I really, really look forward to hearing from some of you soon regarding this matter. Badbilltucker 15:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Basically ready to go ahead with the tentative working draft of the directory, upon completion of two things. (1) I have no idea where to put the new WikiProject Beekeeping, and am waiting for a response from the project's creator. (2) Only one group seems to have wanted to include itself in areas where it really might not qualify, that being Doctor Who. It is already included the BBC section, and has been added to the Television and British TV shows sub-sections of User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory by Josiah Rowe. Frankly, I expected many more and worse redundancies than these. Personally, I think inclusion in the BBC main subsection of Broadcasting makes the other two redundant, and would prefer if they remained out of them, because if Doctor Who can fit there, so can all the other BBC and ITV productions, making the sub-cat that much bigger. If anyone has any thoughts before beekeeping tells me where they think they belong and I hopefully finalize the list, please indicate as much. Thanks. Badbilltucker 18:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
It’s nice to see a central place for projects. Would it make sense to open up a few sub-pages for the “main objectives”? I’ve modified a navigation template for the page (User:Bookandcoffee/Sandbox) that reflects the sub-section, and I added a third section for “Proposals” - not in the sense of new projects, but for bouncing around new ideas for established projects. Good? Bad? Otherwise? :)--
Bookandcoffee 18:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
{{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Navigation}} - Well there's my best effort. I'll leave it here for you to decide if you want to use it or not. Cheers.-- Bookandcoffee 22:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I worked up a rough idea of how we could handle proposal submission. Please see User:Aguerriero/Proposal. The idea is that this would be at the top of the new proposal page, located at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals. So if someone wants to submit a new proposal, they use the inputbox. All they have to do is append the name of their project to the end, click Create, and it gives them a template to fill in. When they save, it creates a subpage to /Proposals named whatever their project is. I think. ;) We'd have to have a bot check for new subpages and transclude them to the main list, which is under the heading Current Proposals.
Possible issues:
Anyway, let me know what you think. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I have proposed to members of WikiProject Hard Rock that the WikiProject be expanded to include rock music in general, as there isn't one that exists. The creator is all for it, and I haven't gotten any other response as the WikiProject is inactive. So I would like to get going on expanding it, so how would I go about that? Is it possible to move all the related pages to new names, or just start a new project? -- Reaper X 23:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to organize something like this in nl:, but what i miss is an elaboration on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide#Common_pitfalls. Aleichem 13:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
First, thanks for your work trying to (re)organize the WikiProject's structure. Second, I'll now proceed to step on some toes and get my nose broken! :-)
I have several questions regarding "closer to home" (for you) problems with the categories in Category:WikiProject Council :
I certainly have come across these issues/problems with categories in many other areas of the encyclopedia--and I know there's a project page, that's how I wound up here, trying to bring a little order into a disordered world. But this is an especially proper place to raise these questions since a number of admins appear to be members of the team and yet these are "newbie" type problems? --Thanks for your "considered" response. RCEberwein | Talk 14:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure where else to bring this, so I hope you can help. I've essentially taken over Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal and have been restructuring it as well as building it up to standards. However, I've run into a serious problem with another wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Rational Skepticism. Our scope is exactly the same, but their goal is essentially to 'correct' POV from our project (and in general), which has created a very adversarial atmosphere. I'm not quite sure how to remedy this; a merger seems like the best option, but I'm not sure it could happen voluntarily. Any thoughts? -- InShaneee 02:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#Relativity -- plange 19:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that people are starting to tag actual WikiProjects with this thing, which seems to be a rather bad idea. Given that we've basically moved (or are in the process of moving) all the pages of interest to us under the main project as subpages, do we actually need this? If it's going to cause problems, it seems better to just get rid of it. Kirill Lokshin 14:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
We now have a Wikipedia:WikiProject Counter-Jihad Education Taskforce. So far as I can tell, the purpose seems to be to cover articles relataing to Islamic terrorism. It also has the "little green footballs" picture which I have learned to have reservations about. It also seems to intentionally, potentially be a POV fork. The scope, "all topics about Islam and about terrorism". seems to be wholly inapprorpriate to the other stated goal, Islamic terrorism. To quote Sergeant Schultz, "I know nothing" about this and sincerely hope that one or more of the rest of you might be able to help this editor and his project, one way or another. Thank you. Badbilltucker 21:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
These may not be new:
Summary WikiProject stats:
Cheers-- Ling.Nut 22:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
On a similar but not totally related note, some bright spark knocked together a script to provide more detailed WikiProject article stats, including % of articles at each grade. See Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index#Article_counts. -- kingboyk 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I feel that WikiProject Trivia Cleanup is very much a POV project and the actions taken by its members should be assessed to determine whether the project is necessary and should continue as it has. The members seem to have a very narrow viewpoint on what constitutes "too much trivia", and I believe that if they apply this viewpoint to Wikipedia as a whole, they will leave a significant number of articles "gutted" in their wake. This is especially true for articles whose subject matter is by nature trivia-heavy, such as articles for pop-culture-referencing entertainment such as episodes of South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc., where noting such references are an integral part of the description. Just one man's opinion, of course, but I thought this should be noted. -- Pennyforth 16:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope that got your attention. This morning, I looked at the list of Wikipedia CD selections, and the first one I pulled up,
Basilica of San Francesco d'Assisi, had yet to have any of the relevant project banners placed on it. Now, it has one. But this does bring into focus just how many articles have yet to be assessed, even important and relatively high-quality ones. If this situation continues, it will be much harder for many of these important or relatively high-quality articles to get any attention. I will try to start tagging the CD selections, but there's a very big limit on what I will be able to do on my own.
I wonder what the rest of you think of the following proposals. Right now, there still exist significant areas of human knowledge which do not have any specific close ties to any projects. These include radio, the nations of Russia, France, Italy, and, yes, the UK, anthropology, and many of the families and species of organic life. Do any of you think it might be a good idea to maybe list on the
Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects these projects which seem to be conspicuous by their absence, maybe under a different section? Also, if and when most of the big areas are covered, what would you all think of creating a different group, maybe one listed on the community portal, which would have the function of basically performing triage on as-yet unassessed articles, determining their relative quality and placing the appropriate banners on them? IF, and that is a big if, both of these things could be done, it would be a lot easier for everyone else to know what's out there and what needs most improvement.
I, of course, can and will do nothing really useful, simply throw out questions which I myself cannot answer. However, I would be very interested in the responses, if any. Thank you.
Badbilltucker 20:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I can see a lot of value in identifying CD selections and trying to marry them to one or more WikiProjects (wait, wouldn't that be polygamy?). That falls under the category "Things I thought someone had probably already done" but the more time I spend here, the more things I find in that category that aren't actually done. :) I would be willing to help out. And now that you mention it, I might consider starting WikiProject Italy. -- Aguerriero ( talk) 21:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all I've been noticing lately that some article talk pages are getting a huge number of tags - so many that they're hiding the talk discussion. By tags, I mean both WikiProject (WP) and non-WP tags, but mainly the former. An example would have been Albert Einstein, but that's just undergone a serious trim (hence prompting this idea).
I'd like to put forward two seperate proposals for clearing up this mess, and returning talk pages to their proper use:
I personally prefer #2, so I'll elaborate on that a little. Template-wise, I'd suggest something like the following:
{{TalkTemplate | wikiprojects={{physics|importance=high}} {{WPBiography|priority=}} | featured={{FAC}} | goodarticle={{GA}} | rating=A }}
This could then set up a bar at the top of the page, which would reveal all of the tags in an appropriate order when the "show" button is pressed. Such show/hide buttons are currently used in various places in talk templates around wikipedia.
Note that I'm also suggesting that the ratings of the article, currently done on per-wikiproject basis, are done once. While I recognize that different WPs may want to rate the article differently, I have yet to see this in practice. I guess the importance tags would be a different matter.
What do people here think to this suggestion? Mike Peel 12:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
(move indent):This all sounds pretty top-downish to me. I suspect that the response to attempts to impose such top-down initiatives will probably be "Says who? Show me the policy/guideline?" [Speaking frankly, that would be my response as well.]-- Ling.Nut 17:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Two obvious responses:
Kirill Lokshin 18:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
(move indents):
-- Ling.Nut 21:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Correction: I would never fight other peoples' right to follow such a proposal. If someone tries to force me to implement it, I will fight... of course. It might even be enough to make me quit Wikipedia; not that templates are important, but that principles are. -- Ling.Nut 22:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I haven't actually read much of this discussion yet, but if it's involving boxes at the top of talk pages then you guys might be interested in the new changes to
Wikipedia:Talk page templates#Small option. --
Ned Scott 05:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Kill talkheader and put it into Mediawiki namespace, please. That one truly is clutter. -- kingboyk 10:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I love the new template, and wonder whether the rest of you think that the list of proposed projects should be included on it. I would think so, as it would both serve as a link on that page to the council guide, which a lot of project proposers could benefit from reading, and so that the members of this group can more closely monitor activity on that page. Badbilltucker 19:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, since there don't seem to be any objections, I've moved the proposed project page to a subpage here. Kirill Lokshin 13:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this is the right place for this (if not someone direct me in the right direction) - after looking at the output of many wikiproject, I feel strongly that every project should try and solicit at least 2 members who have no interest in that particular subject but are willing to look in as a general reader. Many wiki projects seems to be turning out articles by fans for fans. A guiding hand from the start might help reduce a lot of the massive rewrites that some articles now seem to require. -- Charlesknight 23:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Specifically redirects such as WikiProject Tulips redirecting to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tulips (and the like). Join the discussion! Girolamo Savonarola 21:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
How do you know if a WikiProject has been acceted?
I've found two recent joiners are having some troubles with Wikipedia:WikiProject Silver Dollar City and the new proposed WikiProject Africa. Should we maybe contact those who join to see why they're joining? Badbilltucker 02:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I go about editing this project template: {{subst:WikiProject|Name of project}}
. I'm just working out how to create a project with a view to possibly starting one in the future. Or would I be better off copying the code from another WP page and trimming as required? Thanks
RHB 21:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
It is a good idea for WikiProjects to use the rating system, but this inludes having that rating information in the WikiProject banner. The problem is that coding WikProject banners to inlcude this rating system requires quite a good coding experience (just see {{ WPBeatles}}). Could it be possible to set up a small directory of volunteers willing to code templates to inlcude the rating system, maybe a list of users that you could contact? Nautica Shad e s 17:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The project isn't underway yet, but when (if) it is, I will consider doing that. This actually made me thought of something else though. How about creating a sample banner, which includes all of this, but instead of the WikiProject this or WIkiproject that, it just has a blank space. Users could then copy and past this, then fill in the appropriate places. Nautica Shad e s 17:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I added {{ Inactive}} to Category: WikiProject Council templates and added the {{ WPCouncil}} banner to its talk page, but I was wondering if this template should have a link to the Council, just like {{ Historical}} links to The Village Pump. What do you think? Nautica Shad e s 17:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)