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Okay, a little late on this, but on 14 September I proposed Solfeggietto be merged into Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach. I put notices on the pages and even notified the creator of the former, but forgot to notify Wikiprojects! Anyway, feedback welcome. Eman235/ talk 23:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello again! According to the bio, this musician has been there done that, but I can't find much about him.. Are there perhaps references in French? He has a page at the French Wikipedia which is pretty well unsourced. — Anne Delong ( talk) 06:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I was alerted to this free ebook by Musicweb International. The author (Tobias Broeker) claims to have compiled a fairly comprehensive listing of 20th C works for Violin and Orchestra. All the usual warnings and disclaimers apply. This could prove to be a useful resource for expanding coverage.
The link is [1]
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Dear classical music experts: This article is about a variety of genres of music, but I decided to post a notice about it here because I know that this page is watched by editors who take music seriously. Not knowing what a "critical edition" is, I can't tell from reading the article if the items listed are books, sheet music collections, record albums or something else entirely. Two of the four references are written by past presidents of the publishing organization. The list of publications is all full of external links. Does anyone here have an opinion about how this article could be improved, or, if not, can point me to another Wikiproject which may be more suitable? — Anne Delong ( talk) 14:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I've started searching for sources to be used to expand this article. To date I've found several primary sources (newspaper articles) from Australia and New Zealand from the 1890's which I've linked to the talk page for the article.
I've not been so successful in turning up scholarly works. It seems that Everist's book dominates the search engines at the moment. If anyone can turn up good sources, especially as it relates to the attribution issue I would be very appreciative. Graham1973 ( talk) 03:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
General question: Mozart Forum / Pajot: do they count as WP:RS? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Despite the many qualities of Pajot's work seems like we have to start thinking of replacing Mozart Forum sourcing, with e.g. references to the sources Pajot mentions, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Pajot / Mozart Forum (only available through Archive.Org). Who's on board on this? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
After adding my article on the Violin Sonata in D major, K. Deest it occured to me that when/if I complete articles on Violin Sonatas attributed to Mozart, it might be worthwhile creating a category to link them with other articles on the forum covering works that have also been attributed to Mozart such as the Adélaïde Concerto or Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, K. 18, but I would not like to do so without obtaining a consensus first. Opinions please?
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Can we agree on this:
? Or are there still other names for such categories in the running? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's spurious and doubtful works are the works indicated as such in the latest version of the Köchel catalogue, or in any previous version (unless when moved to the main catalogue in more recent versions of the catalogue). Also works for which there has been a persistent attribution to Mozart, traceable in other reliable sources, without any mention in any version of the Köchel catalogue can be included in this category. Also compositions not removed from the main catalogue in its latest version, but with reliable sources doubting or disproving the attribution to Mozart, can be included in this category.
OK, started
(see also category definitions included there, improve if necessary)
→ some hands to get these properly filled? Tx! -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Bolding what I just added to WP:NCM#Key signature, catalogue number, opus number, and other additions to a composition's article title:
...use the numbers as in the original 1862 version of the Köchel catalogue in article titles as they appear the most recognisable, unless for numbers that moved from the Anhang (Anh.) to the actual catalogue (use oldest version where the number appears in the main section of the catalogue in that case). This does however not apply to compositions in Category:Mozart: spurious and doubtful works: these are preferably disambiguated by nickname, Anhang number or (attributed to Mozart), not by ", K. Deest". In this case the (Mozart) disambiguator is only possible for series integrity.:
(note that category sorting still needs to be looked at, but that's the next step) -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Renamings for Category:Compositions with a spurious or doubtful attribution:
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Beethovens renamed, Mozart list updated. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC) Updated 05:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
As I've mentioned in earlier messages I'm currently working on cleaning up some of the "lacunae" in the chamber music section. To date I have completed the following articles to what I'd term "preliminary" status.
I've left notes on the talk pages of some of these outlining points that need clearing up or expanding upon.
As soon as I have the information I will be working on the Lalo Piano Quintet.
My next planned project is the Saint-Saens Piano Quartet in B-flat major, Op. 41. The planned title will be "Piano Quartet in B-flat major (Saint-Saëns)" rather than "Piano Quartet No. 2 (Saint-Saëns)" because up until 1992 (At least as far as I can tell), the earlier E major Piano Quartet was unknown, therefore using Piano Quartet No.1/No.2 would be anacronistic.
I would like to know everyones thoughts on the above before I proceed though.
Graham1973 ( talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
This article has been completed, but I've had to leave the linkage to the score/critical report in the NMA because I don't understand exactly how to sort out the links, if anyone reads this and understands how to do so could they please add the links to the article. Graham1973 ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm planning to tackle the Lalo A flat major "Fantaisie-quintette" composed around 1862 as my next chamber music article. From an intial websearch I've found that the work was in manuscript up until very recently and in fact the first recording was only released this year. Thankfully the label in question, Continuo Classics does make their liner notes available, so I should be able to write a basic article. But I would like to ask if anyone has access to biographical information/scholarly articles or even knowledge of online theses in English discussing the work to let me know where I can find them. I want to make the article as comprehensive as I can. Graham1973 ( talk) 16:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I am currently accumulating information on this work, but my usual sources, dissertations and liner notes seem to be scarce on this piece. All I've so far been able to find out is that it was allegedly found amongst Beethovens papers after his death, was dated to the 1790s but was not published until 1906, but many of the intervening steps are missing. Can anyone point me to something online that I could use.
Have added Lento for Strings to this project after discovering one of the references is a page number without the details of the book(?) it came from. Will be linking the liner notes mentioned once I have located them. Graham1973
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Dear classical music experts: Since no one else was doing it, I started fixing up this article. I have rewritten a lot of it to avoid copy-paste, and removed a number of closely connected sources. My question is, should the names of the many musicians whom she has commissioned to create works so that she could perform them be included in the article? — Anne Delong ( talk) 02:08, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Would any members have a problem if I changed the name of the article of the incidental music composed by Schubert for this play to Rosamunde, D 797 (Schubert), to conform with the naming convention proposed for the Schubert sonata articles.
I do not propose to make this move unless there is a clear consensus.
Graham1973 ( talk) 11:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
-- Smerus ( talk) 14:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I have now rejigged the text and added the play's storyline.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be nice if each article about a particular public-domain composition had an external link to the relevant IMSLP hub (e.g., http://imslp.org/wiki/Le_Carnaval_des_Animaux_%28Saint-Saëns%2C_Camille%29). IMSLP is a great resource, but can be tricky to use for people who don't know to try "Bach Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" as well as "bwv 302" or "bach mighty fortress god". FourViolas ( talk) 19:32, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
As I've mentioned in earlier messages I'm currently working on cleaning up some of the "lacunae" in the chamber music section. To date I have completed the following articles to what I'd term "preliminary" status.
I've left notes on the talk pages of some of these outlining points that need clearing up or expanding upon.
As soon as I have the information I will be working on the Lalo Piano Quintet.
My next planned project is the Saint-Saens Piano Quartet in B-flat major, Op. 41. The planned title will be "Piano Quartet in B-flat major (Saint-Saëns)" rather than "Piano Quartet No. 2 (Saint-Saëns)" because up until 1992 (At least as far as I can tell), the earlier E major Piano Quartet was unknown, therefore using Piano Quartet No.1/No.2 would be anacronistic.
I would like to know everyones thoughts on the above before I proceed though.
Graham1973 ( talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
This article has been completed, but I've had to leave the linkage to the score/critical report in the NMA because I don't understand exactly how to sort out the links, if anyone reads this and understands how to do so could they please add the links to the article. Graham1973 ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm planning to tackle the Lalo A flat major "Fantaisie-quintette" composed around 1862 as my next chamber music article. From an intial websearch I've found that the work was in manuscript up until very recently and in fact the first recording was only released this year. Thankfully the label in question, Continuo Classics does make their liner notes available, so I should be able to write a basic article. But I would like to ask if anyone has access to biographical information/scholarly articles or even knowledge of online theses in English discussing the work to let me know where I can find them. I want to make the article as comprehensive as I can. Graham1973 ( talk) 16:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I am currently accumulating information on this work, but my usual sources, dissertations and liner notes seem to be scarce on this piece. All I've so far been able to find out is that it was allegedly found amongst Beethovens papers after his death, was dated to the 1790s but was not published until 1906, but many of the intervening steps are missing. Can anyone point me to something online that I could use.
Have added Lento for Strings to this project after discovering one of the references is a page number without the details of the book(?) it came from. Will be linking the liner notes mentioned once I have located them. Graham1973
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, this project is still active. Graham1973 ( talk) 02:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 50 | ← | Archive 53 | Archive 54 | Archive 55 | Archive 56 | Archive 57 | → | Archive 60 |
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej ( talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, a little late on this, but on 14 September I proposed Solfeggietto be merged into Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach. I put notices on the pages and even notified the creator of the former, but forgot to notify Wikiprojects! Anyway, feedback welcome. Eman235/ talk 23:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello again! According to the bio, this musician has been there done that, but I can't find much about him.. Are there perhaps references in French? He has a page at the French Wikipedia which is pretty well unsourced. — Anne Delong ( talk) 06:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I was alerted to this free ebook by Musicweb International. The author (Tobias Broeker) claims to have compiled a fairly comprehensive listing of 20th C works for Violin and Orchestra. All the usual warnings and disclaimers apply. This could prove to be a useful resource for expanding coverage.
The link is [1]
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Dear classical music experts: This article is about a variety of genres of music, but I decided to post a notice about it here because I know that this page is watched by editors who take music seriously. Not knowing what a "critical edition" is, I can't tell from reading the article if the items listed are books, sheet music collections, record albums or something else entirely. Two of the four references are written by past presidents of the publishing organization. The list of publications is all full of external links. Does anyone here have an opinion about how this article could be improved, or, if not, can point me to another Wikiproject which may be more suitable? — Anne Delong ( talk) 14:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I've started searching for sources to be used to expand this article. To date I've found several primary sources (newspaper articles) from Australia and New Zealand from the 1890's which I've linked to the talk page for the article.
I've not been so successful in turning up scholarly works. It seems that Everist's book dominates the search engines at the moment. If anyone can turn up good sources, especially as it relates to the attribution issue I would be very appreciative. Graham1973 ( talk) 03:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
General question: Mozart Forum / Pajot: do they count as WP:RS? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Despite the many qualities of Pajot's work seems like we have to start thinking of replacing Mozart Forum sourcing, with e.g. references to the sources Pajot mentions, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Pajot / Mozart Forum (only available through Archive.Org). Who's on board on this? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
After adding my article on the Violin Sonata in D major, K. Deest it occured to me that when/if I complete articles on Violin Sonatas attributed to Mozart, it might be worthwhile creating a category to link them with other articles on the forum covering works that have also been attributed to Mozart such as the Adélaïde Concerto or Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, K. 18, but I would not like to do so without obtaining a consensus first. Opinions please?
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Can we agree on this:
? Or are there still other names for such categories in the running? -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's spurious and doubtful works are the works indicated as such in the latest version of the Köchel catalogue, or in any previous version (unless when moved to the main catalogue in more recent versions of the catalogue). Also works for which there has been a persistent attribution to Mozart, traceable in other reliable sources, without any mention in any version of the Köchel catalogue can be included in this category. Also compositions not removed from the main catalogue in its latest version, but with reliable sources doubting or disproving the attribution to Mozart, can be included in this category.
OK, started
(see also category definitions included there, improve if necessary)
→ some hands to get these properly filled? Tx! -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Bolding what I just added to WP:NCM#Key signature, catalogue number, opus number, and other additions to a composition's article title:
...use the numbers as in the original 1862 version of the Köchel catalogue in article titles as they appear the most recognisable, unless for numbers that moved from the Anhang (Anh.) to the actual catalogue (use oldest version where the number appears in the main section of the catalogue in that case). This does however not apply to compositions in Category:Mozart: spurious and doubtful works: these are preferably disambiguated by nickname, Anhang number or (attributed to Mozart), not by ", K. Deest". In this case the (Mozart) disambiguator is only possible for series integrity.:
(note that category sorting still needs to be looked at, but that's the next step) -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Renamings for Category:Compositions with a spurious or doubtful attribution:
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Beethovens renamed, Mozart list updated. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC) Updated 05:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
As I've mentioned in earlier messages I'm currently working on cleaning up some of the "lacunae" in the chamber music section. To date I have completed the following articles to what I'd term "preliminary" status.
I've left notes on the talk pages of some of these outlining points that need clearing up or expanding upon.
As soon as I have the information I will be working on the Lalo Piano Quintet.
My next planned project is the Saint-Saens Piano Quartet in B-flat major, Op. 41. The planned title will be "Piano Quartet in B-flat major (Saint-Saëns)" rather than "Piano Quartet No. 2 (Saint-Saëns)" because up until 1992 (At least as far as I can tell), the earlier E major Piano Quartet was unknown, therefore using Piano Quartet No.1/No.2 would be anacronistic.
I would like to know everyones thoughts on the above before I proceed though.
Graham1973 ( talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
This article has been completed, but I've had to leave the linkage to the score/critical report in the NMA because I don't understand exactly how to sort out the links, if anyone reads this and understands how to do so could they please add the links to the article. Graham1973 ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm planning to tackle the Lalo A flat major "Fantaisie-quintette" composed around 1862 as my next chamber music article. From an intial websearch I've found that the work was in manuscript up until very recently and in fact the first recording was only released this year. Thankfully the label in question, Continuo Classics does make their liner notes available, so I should be able to write a basic article. But I would like to ask if anyone has access to biographical information/scholarly articles or even knowledge of online theses in English discussing the work to let me know where I can find them. I want to make the article as comprehensive as I can. Graham1973 ( talk) 16:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I am currently accumulating information on this work, but my usual sources, dissertations and liner notes seem to be scarce on this piece. All I've so far been able to find out is that it was allegedly found amongst Beethovens papers after his death, was dated to the 1790s but was not published until 1906, but many of the intervening steps are missing. Can anyone point me to something online that I could use.
Have added Lento for Strings to this project after discovering one of the references is a page number without the details of the book(?) it came from. Will be linking the liner notes mentioned once I have located them. Graham1973
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Dear classical music experts: Since no one else was doing it, I started fixing up this article. I have rewritten a lot of it to avoid copy-paste, and removed a number of closely connected sources. My question is, should the names of the many musicians whom she has commissioned to create works so that she could perform them be included in the article? — Anne Delong ( talk) 02:08, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Would any members have a problem if I changed the name of the article of the incidental music composed by Schubert for this play to Rosamunde, D 797 (Schubert), to conform with the naming convention proposed for the Schubert sonata articles.
I do not propose to make this move unless there is a clear consensus.
Graham1973 ( talk) 11:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
-- Smerus ( talk) 14:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I have now rejigged the text and added the play's storyline.-- Smerus ( talk) 08:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be nice if each article about a particular public-domain composition had an external link to the relevant IMSLP hub (e.g., http://imslp.org/wiki/Le_Carnaval_des_Animaux_%28Saint-Saëns%2C_Camille%29). IMSLP is a great resource, but can be tricky to use for people who don't know to try "Bach Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" as well as "bwv 302" or "bach mighty fortress god". FourViolas ( talk) 19:32, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
As I've mentioned in earlier messages I'm currently working on cleaning up some of the "lacunae" in the chamber music section. To date I have completed the following articles to what I'd term "preliminary" status.
I've left notes on the talk pages of some of these outlining points that need clearing up or expanding upon.
As soon as I have the information I will be working on the Lalo Piano Quintet.
My next planned project is the Saint-Saens Piano Quartet in B-flat major, Op. 41. The planned title will be "Piano Quartet in B-flat major (Saint-Saëns)" rather than "Piano Quartet No. 2 (Saint-Saëns)" because up until 1992 (At least as far as I can tell), the earlier E major Piano Quartet was unknown, therefore using Piano Quartet No.1/No.2 would be anacronistic.
I would like to know everyones thoughts on the above before I proceed though.
Graham1973 ( talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
This article has been completed, but I've had to leave the linkage to the score/critical report in the NMA because I don't understand exactly how to sort out the links, if anyone reads this and understands how to do so could they please add the links to the article. Graham1973 ( talk) 01:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm planning to tackle the Lalo A flat major "Fantaisie-quintette" composed around 1862 as my next chamber music article. From an intial websearch I've found that the work was in manuscript up until very recently and in fact the first recording was only released this year. Thankfully the label in question, Continuo Classics does make their liner notes available, so I should be able to write a basic article. But I would like to ask if anyone has access to biographical information/scholarly articles or even knowledge of online theses in English discussing the work to let me know where I can find them. I want to make the article as comprehensive as I can. Graham1973 ( talk) 16:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I am currently accumulating information on this work, but my usual sources, dissertations and liner notes seem to be scarce on this piece. All I've so far been able to find out is that it was allegedly found amongst Beethovens papers after his death, was dated to the 1790s but was not published until 1906, but many of the intervening steps are missing. Can anyone point me to something online that I could use.
Have added Lento for Strings to this project after discovering one of the references is a page number without the details of the book(?) it came from. Will be linking the liner notes mentioned once I have located them. Graham1973
Graham1973 ( talk) 02:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, this project is still active. Graham1973 ( talk) 02:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)