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66.167.49.222 18:22, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC): It would be useful to allow a template to include a category and have that category apply to all articles including that template. In the current implementation of category support, including a category into a template does result in an article with the appropriate template and category included, but when you go to the category's article, it simply lists the template as another article in the category and does not descent down the implied level of indirection and list all articles which include the template. For example, check out Columbia River Plateau and Template:Oregon.
I made a little template for the occupations of politicians (and other people) you can see at the bottom of many pages. It's at Template:Occubox (didn't came up with a better name), and a little example can be seen at the bottom of my Sandbox. There's also a bug, as the president-link does not work. I don't have a clue why.. I'd like to hear other opinions about this and I'm not sure where to ask, so I'm doing it here. Move my comment if necessary. -- Conti| ✉ 15:43, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A good place to go for things like this in the future is Wikipedia:Help desk. Wikipedia Help Desk--not just for newcomers. This message brought to you by Wikipedians for helpfulness. [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 16:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I was excited when I first heard of Wikipedia:Categories because I apparently misunderstood and thought that the list which a category generates would then be useable as a template.
For instance, we have a list of diatonic functions at Category:Diatonic functions, which would fit perfectly at Diatonic function.
Given that this appears to be impossible, it seems like a waste of time for me to create categories since, as the page states, they are much like "What links here" except less useful. In almost all cases they show you a list (in meta-space) which it is then necessary to duplicate elsewhere (in non-meta space).
So, question one is: Am I mistaken and is this already possible? Question two: If it is not now possible, could it be done in the future? Hyacinth 20:30, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have written Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful, with input from User:Jamesday, the main database developer on the project. Meta-templates are basically templates used to commonize the format of yet other templates. One example is Template:Message box. There are a number of problems with using these, which look to outweigh the benefits. -- Netoholic @ 19:31, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful has now been proposed to be adopted as a true guideline. Please review and discuss on that pages talk page. -- Netoholic @ 22:49, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
As of 20:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC) the document itself says, "This proposal has been rejected by the community." The discussion is here. – Conrad T. Pino 20:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to, and if so how does one, create a template into which different information could be added? For example, a template added to a page which automatically takes as its heading the title of that page. Or a template which could be used on many pages with a blank spot for a page specific table, such as the following table within a table:
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Other diatonic intervals | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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unison | minor second | major second | minor third | major third | perfect fourth | tritone | perfect fifth | minor sixth | major sixth | minor seventh | major seventh | octave |
The bottom half of the table is Template:Diatonic intervals, while the top half is a table from Perfect fifth. The bottom half would be identical on all diatonic interval articles, while the top half would have different info for each. It's much more attractive and helpful as one table.
Is there a way to add {{Diatonic intervals}} and indicate content within (a blank space left for such a purpose in) that template? Thanks. Hyacinth 09:30, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perfect fifth | ||||||
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# semitones | Interval class | # cents in equal temperament | Most common diatonic name | Comparable just interval | # cents in just interval | Just interval vs. equal-tempered interval |
7 | 5 | 700 | perfect fifth | 3:2 | 702 | 2 cents larger |
But it could look better. Hyacinth 11:10, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(I've added this debate from the village pump here to archive it, hope it's the best place for it. Hiding 1 July 2005 09:01 (UTC))
There's something going on over at the articles relating to the 2005 English cricket season that I'm not sure is kosher, but which doesn't seem to be covered by any policies or policy proposals I've been able to find. A large number of small pages have been created detailing the events of individual cricket matches (for example, 2005 English cricket season/Middlesex v Worcestershire 1 May 2005) and then each of these small articles is transcluded into a number of very large articles that group them based on various criteria (the example linked above is transcluded into Worcestershire County Cricket Club in 2005, Middlesex County Cricket Club in 2005, National League Division One in 2005 and 2005 English cricket season (1-14 May)). Anyone know of any policies I might have missed (I've seen the stuff at Wikipedia:Transclusion), or have any opinions on what the policy on this sort of thing should be? Note that the fact that these cricket match subarticles are IMO in violation of Wikipedia:Subpages policy is a separate issue, at some point I'll be moving them all to non-subpage titles to correct this. I figured I should see what people thought of the transclusion issue first, though. Bryan 05:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your last clause, which I agree with. It should be avoided if possible. First I invite you to look at 2005 English cricket season (which is a work in progress) and all the related articles to see what we're doing, which is adding comprehensive encyclopaedic information about the season. It takes up a lot of time and a lot of maintaining - but it is dealing with the season from a wide range of perspectives which is just not offered by any other site or publication. It would be impossible to have such comprehensive coverage without transclusion (it would just take so many more hours to put together and maintain as to make it impossible). So here we have a choice between no articles and articles with transclusion - and that's an easy choice to make.
I totally agree that we should not, however, use transclusion willy-nilly. It is only on a very very small number of articles where there would be benefits. On those articles we should accept it because WP will benefit from those articles. In essence I'm saying that the guideline of "no transclusion", like all our guidelines, is not a law writ in stone, jguk 10:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Forget transclusion and subpages! When the hell did individual team matchs in regular season sports become encyclopedic and worth separate articles? Are we headed towards individual articles on each of the 84 games/season times however many teams are in the NBA, every year, let alone, NFL, NHL, MISL, MLB, Indian cricket, Australian rugby, CFL, Brazilian soccer, etc., etc., etc.? Is there something really that special about English cricket that is escaping me??? Niteowlneils 05:07, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I understand that "Wikipedia is not paper", but hard disk space and bandwith are not free. I don't see how the details of regular season sports matches can be considered encyclopedic in stand-alone articles or season summaries. No encyclopedia in the past has included them, and even Almanacs, which offer more detailed coverage of a given year, limit themselves to final standings, playoffs, and the championship. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not states "Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories (however, our sister project Wikinews does exactly that). Wikipedia does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that are currently in the news, and can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known."--I don't see how regular season matches have any inherent 'historical significance'. FWIW, [[{team name} in {year}]] articles don't seem encyclopedic, nor supported by precedent over the past 4 years of Wikipedia, to me, either. Niteowlneils 19:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yup, just because we have infinite space doesn't mean we should try to be the be-all end-all information repository. And once we're done with [[{team name} in {year}]] we should go for [[{Television series} episodes in {season}]]. -- W( t) 19:37, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)
partially adapted from comments by Jguk [1] [2]
Templates allow the use of identical text across multiple articles, and one can update all the articles with a single edit. This makes good sense for marginalia like stub messages and article series boxes, as noted.
It is possible to do this with entire sections of articles—one or more paragraphs of text, perhaps an image or two—as well, and this has potential applications. For example, one could write a separate template for each game of a sports season, then transclude the template into three separate articles: one on the season as a whole, one on one team's season, and another on the other team's season. Without that facility, maintaining such a series of articles would be a time-consuming task: every time a comma or typo were changed, or every time someone changed one article, either all three would need to be corrected or they would go out of kilter.
On the other hand, content that fits well into one article might not fit into another. The text might contain redundancies or irrelevancies, the formatting of the images might not be appropriate, the heading level might be wrong (and a heading is necessary to allow section editing), or the style might be inconsistent. One could not change this without messing up the other articles that use the template—or else abandoning the template entirely, thus defeating its purpose. It would be impossible to edit the article as a whole: one will necessarily be stuck with at least one section that resists any changes more significant than moving it to a different place within the article. Just look at this real-life example (using Wikipedia: namespace pages, which creates an entirely new set of problems, mainly for those who use the article content outside Wikipedia itself):
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/MCC v Warwickshire 8-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Cambridge UCCE v Essex 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Glamorgan v Cardiff UCCE 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Oxford UCCE v Gloucestershire 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Northamptonshire v Bradford&Leeds 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Somerset v Durham UCCE 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Sussex v Loughborough UCCE 9-11 April 2005}}
So: Is using templates for body text a good idea or a bad idea? — Charles P. (Mirv) 01:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I strongly agree with both Mav and Netoholic. Perhaps to reiterate - meta-templates are to be avoided. Read - don't use them ever, unless you have a *really, really good reason* to. And this is especially true where where the 'meat' of the article - the actual prose - is concerned. →Raul654 21:32, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Mav asked me to comment on this. I would briefly state the following:
-- Eloquence 22:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
I am going to summarize here an argument against transclusion that I previously made at Wikipedia_talk:What_is_a_featured_article#Size. I suggest that any good encyclopedia article synthesizes information into a cohesive whole, and that a good article should be greater than the sum of its parts. Assembling any article from generic pieces that are used elsewhere eliminates the opportunity to tailor the writing to the specific topic at hand, and precludes the creation of a cohesive article that flows well and is stylistically consistent. Using the old "forest and the trees" analogy, a transcluded article simply shows all the trees standing next to each other, and misses the opportunity to show the forest by synthesizing the pieces into a cohesive whole.
In this specific case, it is easy to see how a single cricket match should be written about differently in any number of articles it might be referenced in (forgive my ignorance of cricket that is about to become apparent :) ). A single match would best be written differently from the perspective of an article on the winning team, the losing team, the tournament / season, a single player who achieves a career best, another for whom it is his final match, et cetera. This argues against a single block of text being useful for multiple applications. Perhaps more importantly though, it eliminates the chance to put each game into context with the others, so that it feels like reading a series of newspaper clippings arranged chronologically, rather than an encyclopedia article discussing the season as a whole. The opportunity for integration is what is lacking, and it is sorely missed (and will be moreso as the article grows to cover the entire season). - Bryan is Bantman 16:58, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
So if I've understood the conversation above properly, the current situation is:
Is that about the size of it? -- Phil | Talk 06:53, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
I found one of these subpages while using Special:Randompage. If I hadn't seen the discussion here before, I could have felt tempted to add a category tag, or remove the section heading, or even worse (think of how pretty a cleanup tag would look there). This way of editing can be really confusing for a random editor. -- cesarb 00:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that a similar attempt at transcluding an article together has been made at Benelux (composite page), which has received a highly negative response on its VfD page: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Benelux (composite page). - Bryan is Bantman 23:46, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
There was also a similar attempt on a number of astrology-related pages a while back. The pages that are currently the articles Astrology and alchemy, Astrology and astronomy and Astrology and numerology were originally templates that were used to transclude identical sections into both of the articles they were about (ie, the first was in both astrology and alchemy). I changed them into stand-alone articles and replaced the transclusion with "see main article at" links instead, and the responses I got on the talk pages were appreciative. Bryan 19:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This debate appears to have died out without a particularly clear consensus. I'm going to start going through the cricket match articles in the next few days and moving them to non-subpage titles, I'm thinking that since I'll be updating the articles that transclude them anyway I'll change the transclusions into links. Any further comments or input? Bryan 02:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK. As it is evidently not allowed to transclude prose into different bits of an article, I think it's time for us cricket-and-transclusion-fans to concede a point. I think that, since it is so rare that we make edits to the actual match reports (most of them have had 3 - the write-up, and then two categorisations), and most of those edits are done when we add the match report to the composite article, we can use {{subst:}} to add the content instead - and move the "part-articles" out of the main namespace, where they don't really belong (as they are too insignificant on their own).
This would, when submitted, add the entire content of the subpage to the article, so that the net result is nigh-on identical to what we originally did, but it is a) more friendly to new editors, b) it allows changes to one article without editing the other (so that we can give a bit of info on one club's season that isn't relevant to the other club's, for example), c) it doesn't eat resources and d) it doesn't AFAIK violate any WP policies. The disadvantage is that whenever we do an edit (correcting a link or a detail), we need to put it into four different pages, so I was wondering whether we could keep the header link? That means that we as editors can go to the "What links here" page and find the pages we need to change immediately, instead of having to dig through all the different fortnight, club and league pages. I realise that it is confusing (as the link doesn't actually go anywhere), but is there a way of making a link unnoticeable to readers but still able to show up on What links here? Sam Vimes 2 July 2005 07:26 (UTC)
I disagree with you here. Customs and practices have developed to deal with the vast majority of articles as they are. But they should not be interpreted as though they are a hard and fast law. There is a general principle of " Ignore all rules". That doesn't mean ride roughshod over customs and practices and literally ignore all rules, but it does mean that we shouldn't see "rules" as being rock-ribbed. They are bendable and some rules can be ignored in certain circumstances if the case is right.
In the case of the 2005 English cricket season it is quite obvious that transclusion is entirely beneficial and that the whole series of articles would take considerably longer to put together if we did not use it. The benefits of transclusion far outweigh the disadvantages. So we should use it. It's commonsense really. It should be a slam dunk.
Of course, in other cases the costs of transclusion may outweigh the benefits - and in those cases (which are probably the overwhelming majority) - we shouldn't use it. Again, it is commonsense - a straightforward cost-benefit analysis.
As far as "compromise" is concerned - I really suggest that on a case-by-case basis the costs and benefits are weighed up, and a decision then made based on where scales end up, jguk 2 July 2005 08:10 (UTC)
Have a look at the Sustainable energy article for another attempt to use transclusion to add article content. See also Talk:Sustainable energy. Andrewa 23:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia talk:Template namespace#Transclusion within the article namespace. Andrewa 23:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I've encountered a few situations where it would be useful to transclude the contents of one section of one page into another. Will this ever be possible? - Omegatron 23:31, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
(archived here from village pump Hiding talk 14:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
Is there a policy on using transclusion within the article namespace?
This question comes from the latest edits to sustainable energy, until recently a redirect to renewable energy.
My immediate reaction was that this use of transclusion should be banned from the article namespace, but I'm wondering, are there times when it would be useful?
So my questions:
1. Is there any relevant policy that I've missed?
2. Are there instances where similar transclusion is working well?
3. Are there potential ways in which transclusion could work well (assuming a "no" to question 2)?
4. What should the policy be (assuming a "no" to question 1)?
Any help with this particular article would also be appreciated, it's a bit of a mess at present IMO but it could be worse and I'm trying to avoid it becoming an edit war. Andrewa 21:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The general principle is that we are here to compile an encyclopaedia. Usually there is no need for transclusion of text to help us achieve this goal - but there is not and should not be an absolute ban. In the very rare instances where transclusion does help this goal, we use it, jguk 22:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be problematic having specific guidelines - the real one is to just use commonsense, although I admit some people do have difficulties applying it sometimes! :) Any guidelines are bound to contain bits that some will try to interpret too rigidly. Also, I don't see this as being a real problem - when articles use transclusion inappropriately, they tend to get reverted fairly quickly, jguk 17:32, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Transclusion might be useful and justified for verb conjugations as well: I am currently battling with the formatting on French and Catalan conjugations. Interwiki links should be absent from pages to be transcluded, otherwise the target article will have multiple links. Physchim62 19:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
When this discussion dies down, and get's archived, would someone(maybe the archiver...) mind copying or linking it to [Wikipedia:Transclusion costs and benefits]]. That way, when this comes up again, we will have a nice list of previous discussion. Thanks! JesseW 08:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
The Human Development Index ( HDI) is a standard UN measure/ rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.
Thus, the following question is put to a vote:
Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template:
YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here
Thanks!
E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
There were lots of pages with lots of overlapping content about how to use templates. I consolidated it all on this page, but didn't have time to stitch it together neatly. So I tagged this page for cleanup, because it needs to be edited for coherence and to reduce repetition. -- Beland 04:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
There seems to some erm "discussion" [4] about useing templates to reduce the clutter that infoboxes produce in articles and it seems that every few days someone spots a "new" one and puts it up for TFD, given the lack of any guidance in this article I propse adding the following to the list of uses:
Of course if people don't agree this then the following:
So Clutter reduceing templates for/against/don't care:
ElvisThePrince 11:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I suggest adoption of a standard that all parameter names be lowercase. Template parameter names are sensitive to usage of upper and lower case. This means a template user has to know the proper case for a template. Related templates sometimes have parameters with different case. In addition to difficulty learning proper template usage, this causes difficulties when editing requires a change between two templates (until a consolidation began, {{ web_reference}} variants had conflicting parameter case usage). In addition, using uppercase leads to CamelCase variants. Wikipedia prefers names with lowercase except when necessary, and I suggest that as parameter names are not visible in articles that they be entirely lowercase. ( SEWilco 19:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
Along with usage of lowercase parameter names, I suggest that abbreviations and acronyms in parameter names also be in lowercase. For example, a parameter for a URL is used in some templates. A paramater should use the lowercase name "url". The URL often contains "HTTP" in lowercase, so users of such a parameter are already familiar with using lowercase exceptions to grammatical casing rules. ( SEWilco 19:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
I have commented out the following:
E.g.
Wikipedia template search for regnum
searches the Template and Template talk namespaces for "regnum".
However, this does not work if the search term exists as a pagename in any namespace!
where Search templates is an actual level 2 heading, so as not to mess up this table of contents.
I have a feeling this might be possible, but I am not sure if this belongs here. If it does, it needs to be wikified. x42bn6 Talk 02:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Are user templates allowed on the template namespace? Or should they stick to the user namespace? x42bn6 Talk 02:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Occasionally it happens that a user doesn't like the style of some template or another. He'll attempt to modify it, but will generally get reverted. Sometimes the ensuing talk page discussions lead to a compromise. Sometimes they don't. If the latter, it often happens that the editor who made the initial change creates a fork of the template, using his preferred style, and starts using it in articles. (Sometimes there's no discussion, no attempt to change the original template.) Examples of this include {{ spoiler 2}} and {{ album infobox 2}}, both currently on TfD.
Since templates exist mainly to standardize the presentation of certain pieces of information across a wide swathe of articles, this behavior defeats their purpose. Not only that: if one editor can create and use a template fork with his preferred style, what's to stop the next user who doesn't like either of the variations from doing the same? Or the user after him? This way lies madness.
Should this page actively discourage this kind of template forking? There's no other guideline on it, as far as I can tell.
(There are, of course, legitimate variant templates: the various numberings of Template:Babel, for example, or {{ user}} and {{ vandal}}, which are similar but have different intended uses. These need not be discouraged.)
— Charles P. (Mirv) 17:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
So I've got this large chunk (~2KB) of HTML code that I need to stick in an article. It looks like this:
I thought it might be nice to create a template with this code in it, so I wouldn't have to clutter up the article with something that will probably never get edited. I know it's not what templates are designed for, but do we have a policy that says I shouldn't do this? The table could potentially be included in more than one article (but probably not). I'm asking first so as to avoid a TFD. -- Fropuff 06:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Are templates under the GNU FDL? If so, do you only have to reference them in the template namespace, for example, in another wiki if they are modified? Or do you have to mention that they are dervived from Wikipedia in every use? Donbas 10:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm curious - is there a way a template can be used to set a 'template' format for a table that might be used across different pages but the table would be a list which might have an uncertain number of entries? IE: A template that sets a table with the heading row that titles columns, and then takes inputs for the contents of each row of the table for an undefined number of rows, or would I have to make a template for the header and outer brackets and then have a seperate template for a single row and keep repeating that template? Do you think that would be more efficient than just having a location to copy a formatted table code and just skipping templates entirely? TheHYPO 16:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember where, but I do recall reading that Documentation should go on a subpage which was then transcluded (like so: {{ /Doc}}). Has anyone else heard about this? -- Swift 20:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
;-)
). The reason I asked was that I think there was some good reason behind the subpage-solution.Above, at Wikipedia_talk:Template_namespace#User_templates, a user asked if a template for their use (presumed only) should be in the template space or in user space. The response was user space. I agree this is how it should be handled, but the project page of this talk page does not address this case. This has come up at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_29#Template:Fir0002. I'm thinking we should add some text to this project page to clearly cover this case. Something along the lines of, "If the template you want to create can only be used by you, you should create it in your user space instead. For example, you would make calls to the template with {{User:JohnDoe/Foo}} as opposed to {{Foo}}". Thoughts? -- Durin 13:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
From the project page, "Please list any custom messages you create on this page." Just where does that mean? I'm about to give one a try, butI do not see such a list. DGG 02:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I can hardly believe it, but there is a potential dispute brewing with Template:Sathya Sai Baba regarding the matter of separating followers and opponents. For the record I created the template and I object to the separation under the grounds that such a distinction is not needed at the present time, especially since a large number of the included articles are stub/start-class and have little content and to impose a large and unsightly template on those articles would be detrimental to the article layout. If and when more SSB-related articles are created and added to the template then we can think about separating or creating further distinctions, but not for now. This is how it is intended to look.
Other editors suggest that the separation is necessary in order to "provide clear, concise information and not to serve to confuse the reader by mixing up the information" (see edit summary), but I fail to see how this can be possible when both followers and opponents are grouped under the heading "Followers and opponents" which makes it perfectly clear that both are being displayed.
Perhaps there are similar disputes revolving around similar templates. Is this the correct place to ask for opinions on how templates like these should be constructed? Is there a template-relevant Manual of Style we can consult? Regards, Ekantik talk 16:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, you can take a look at:
So you can see all entries in all of our templates. Directly:
Greeting, from Germany de:Benutzer:Kolossos 20:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody take a look at the {{ LGBT sidebar}} template and determine why, unlike most infoboxes, text isn't wrapping around it? Per Woody's (Toronto), article text is continuing through the infobox in some cases, but it is wrapping correctly on other articles (e.g. gay bathhouse). Bearcat 01:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I came across Template:List LDS Temple USA West while reviewing Idaho related articles. I couldn't figure out why all this information was in the article on Idaho Falls Idaho Temple. Then I find it is a template being used in many individual temple articles. There are other similar templates in other region's temples. I have several problems with this template:
Templates should also not be used to create lists of links to other articles when a category or a See also list can perform the same function.
If this has been discussed before and the template OK'd, I will drop it. I am a fool for templates and user boxes, so it is not that I object to all such objects. There is no discussion on the template page and I am not stirring up a hornet's nest by myself. Yes! That's me.
I seek guidance in the best (if any) way to proceed. -- Robbie Giles 03:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we have a problem. Edward Tufte would not be amused.-- Knulclunk 03:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just read this "Template namespace" article, following a link from "Tip of the day". It says (in "Introduction") "Templates should also not be used to cite sources. See WP:CITE#TT and primary source transcluded templates TfD.". Both the "see" links in that sentence are dead, and surely the opening statement is not true - usage of {{cite}} is surely now the preferred way to cite sources? Does this page need an update, or have I misunderstood? PamD 07:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
New Netherland series |
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Exploration |
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The Patroon System |
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People of New Netherland |
Flushing Remonstrance |
This is a good solution: collapsible tables. If you want to edit a template, go to template:name, where name is the name of the template. For example, if you want to edit {{New Netherland}}, go to Template:New Netherland. It is a good example of use of a collapsible table. Erudecorp ? 06:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
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Whenever possible (if there are few permutations.), use an image instead of a template. Altering an image doesn't cause the subsequent pages to be remade. Erudecorp ? 20:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
The template {{ WikiProject Canada}} has a gap below it, both in its full form (as here) and in its nested form (as here). Some users have tried to fix it, but to no avail. Can someone please figure out what's wrong with it? Thank you. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a problem with some templates in the Queen article, and I'm not experienced enough with templates to figure out what it is. The {{Queen}} and inter-wiki FA templates after the "External links" section are showing up as links or not at all rather than being transcluded. There doesn't seem to be a problem with other articles that include the Queen template (see Bohemian Rhapsody for example). I've gone back to previous versions of the Queen article and it appears that the problem is long-standing.
Any ideas? ... discospinster talk 17:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The alignment of {{MLBAllStarGame}} is centered. I'd like to "align right" this template in a particular article. Is there some syntax I can use to over-ride the alignment of the template? Kingturtle ( talk) 18:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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66.167.49.222 18:22, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC): It would be useful to allow a template to include a category and have that category apply to all articles including that template. In the current implementation of category support, including a category into a template does result in an article with the appropriate template and category included, but when you go to the category's article, it simply lists the template as another article in the category and does not descent down the implied level of indirection and list all articles which include the template. For example, check out Columbia River Plateau and Template:Oregon.
I made a little template for the occupations of politicians (and other people) you can see at the bottom of many pages. It's at Template:Occubox (didn't came up with a better name), and a little example can be seen at the bottom of my Sandbox. There's also a bug, as the president-link does not work. I don't have a clue why.. I'd like to hear other opinions about this and I'm not sure where to ask, so I'm doing it here. Move my comment if necessary. -- Conti| ✉ 15:43, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A good place to go for things like this in the future is Wikipedia:Help desk. Wikipedia Help Desk--not just for newcomers. This message brought to you by Wikipedians for helpfulness. [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 16:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I was excited when I first heard of Wikipedia:Categories because I apparently misunderstood and thought that the list which a category generates would then be useable as a template.
For instance, we have a list of diatonic functions at Category:Diatonic functions, which would fit perfectly at Diatonic function.
Given that this appears to be impossible, it seems like a waste of time for me to create categories since, as the page states, they are much like "What links here" except less useful. In almost all cases they show you a list (in meta-space) which it is then necessary to duplicate elsewhere (in non-meta space).
So, question one is: Am I mistaken and is this already possible? Question two: If it is not now possible, could it be done in the future? Hyacinth 20:30, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have written Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful, with input from User:Jamesday, the main database developer on the project. Meta-templates are basically templates used to commonize the format of yet other templates. One example is Template:Message box. There are a number of problems with using these, which look to outweigh the benefits. -- Netoholic @ 19:31, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful has now been proposed to be adopted as a true guideline. Please review and discuss on that pages talk page. -- Netoholic @ 22:49, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
As of 20:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC) the document itself says, "This proposal has been rejected by the community." The discussion is here. – Conrad T. Pino 20:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to, and if so how does one, create a template into which different information could be added? For example, a template added to a page which automatically takes as its heading the title of that page. Or a template which could be used on many pages with a blank spot for a page specific table, such as the following table within a table:
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Other diatonic intervals | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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unison | minor second | major second | minor third | major third | perfect fourth | tritone | perfect fifth | minor sixth | major sixth | minor seventh | major seventh | octave |
The bottom half of the table is Template:Diatonic intervals, while the top half is a table from Perfect fifth. The bottom half would be identical on all diatonic interval articles, while the top half would have different info for each. It's much more attractive and helpful as one table.
Is there a way to add {{Diatonic intervals}} and indicate content within (a blank space left for such a purpose in) that template? Thanks. Hyacinth 09:30, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perfect fifth | ||||||
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# semitones | Interval class | # cents in equal temperament | Most common diatonic name | Comparable just interval | # cents in just interval | Just interval vs. equal-tempered interval |
7 | 5 | 700 | perfect fifth | 3:2 | 702 | 2 cents larger |
But it could look better. Hyacinth 11:10, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(I've added this debate from the village pump here to archive it, hope it's the best place for it. Hiding 1 July 2005 09:01 (UTC))
There's something going on over at the articles relating to the 2005 English cricket season that I'm not sure is kosher, but which doesn't seem to be covered by any policies or policy proposals I've been able to find. A large number of small pages have been created detailing the events of individual cricket matches (for example, 2005 English cricket season/Middlesex v Worcestershire 1 May 2005) and then each of these small articles is transcluded into a number of very large articles that group them based on various criteria (the example linked above is transcluded into Worcestershire County Cricket Club in 2005, Middlesex County Cricket Club in 2005, National League Division One in 2005 and 2005 English cricket season (1-14 May)). Anyone know of any policies I might have missed (I've seen the stuff at Wikipedia:Transclusion), or have any opinions on what the policy on this sort of thing should be? Note that the fact that these cricket match subarticles are IMO in violation of Wikipedia:Subpages policy is a separate issue, at some point I'll be moving them all to non-subpage titles to correct this. I figured I should see what people thought of the transclusion issue first, though. Bryan 05:15, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your last clause, which I agree with. It should be avoided if possible. First I invite you to look at 2005 English cricket season (which is a work in progress) and all the related articles to see what we're doing, which is adding comprehensive encyclopaedic information about the season. It takes up a lot of time and a lot of maintaining - but it is dealing with the season from a wide range of perspectives which is just not offered by any other site or publication. It would be impossible to have such comprehensive coverage without transclusion (it would just take so many more hours to put together and maintain as to make it impossible). So here we have a choice between no articles and articles with transclusion - and that's an easy choice to make.
I totally agree that we should not, however, use transclusion willy-nilly. It is only on a very very small number of articles where there would be benefits. On those articles we should accept it because WP will benefit from those articles. In essence I'm saying that the guideline of "no transclusion", like all our guidelines, is not a law writ in stone, jguk 10:43, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Forget transclusion and subpages! When the hell did individual team matchs in regular season sports become encyclopedic and worth separate articles? Are we headed towards individual articles on each of the 84 games/season times however many teams are in the NBA, every year, let alone, NFL, NHL, MISL, MLB, Indian cricket, Australian rugby, CFL, Brazilian soccer, etc., etc., etc.? Is there something really that special about English cricket that is escaping me??? Niteowlneils 05:07, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I understand that "Wikipedia is not paper", but hard disk space and bandwith are not free. I don't see how the details of regular season sports matches can be considered encyclopedic in stand-alone articles or season summaries. No encyclopedia in the past has included them, and even Almanacs, which offer more detailed coverage of a given year, limit themselves to final standings, playoffs, and the championship. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not states "Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories (however, our sister project Wikinews does exactly that). Wikipedia does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that are currently in the news, and can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known."--I don't see how regular season matches have any inherent 'historical significance'. FWIW, [[{team name} in {year}]] articles don't seem encyclopedic, nor supported by precedent over the past 4 years of Wikipedia, to me, either. Niteowlneils 19:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yup, just because we have infinite space doesn't mean we should try to be the be-all end-all information repository. And once we're done with [[{team name} in {year}]] we should go for [[{Television series} episodes in {season}]]. -- W( t) 19:37, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)
partially adapted from comments by Jguk [1] [2]
Templates allow the use of identical text across multiple articles, and one can update all the articles with a single edit. This makes good sense for marginalia like stub messages and article series boxes, as noted.
It is possible to do this with entire sections of articles—one or more paragraphs of text, perhaps an image or two—as well, and this has potential applications. For example, one could write a separate template for each game of a sports season, then transclude the template into three separate articles: one on the season as a whole, one on one team's season, and another on the other team's season. Without that facility, maintaining such a series of articles would be a time-consuming task: every time a comma or typo were changed, or every time someone changed one article, either all three would need to be corrected or they would go out of kilter.
On the other hand, content that fits well into one article might not fit into another. The text might contain redundancies or irrelevancies, the formatting of the images might not be appropriate, the heading level might be wrong (and a heading is necessary to allow section editing), or the style might be inconsistent. One could not change this without messing up the other articles that use the template—or else abandoning the template entirely, thus defeating its purpose. It would be impossible to edit the article as a whole: one will necessarily be stuck with at least one section that resists any changes more significant than moving it to a different place within the article. Just look at this real-life example (using Wikipedia: namespace pages, which creates an entirely new set of problems, mainly for those who use the article content outside Wikipedia itself):
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/MCC v Warwickshire 8-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Cambridge UCCE v Essex 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Glamorgan v Cardiff UCCE 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Oxford UCCE v Gloucestershire 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Northamptonshire v Bradford&Leeds 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Somerset v Durham UCCE 9-11 April 2005}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Sussex v Loughborough UCCE 9-11 April 2005}}
So: Is using templates for body text a good idea or a bad idea? — Charles P. (Mirv) 01:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I strongly agree with both Mav and Netoholic. Perhaps to reiterate - meta-templates are to be avoided. Read - don't use them ever, unless you have a *really, really good reason* to. And this is especially true where where the 'meat' of the article - the actual prose - is concerned. →Raul654 21:32, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Mav asked me to comment on this. I would briefly state the following:
-- Eloquence 22:44, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
I am going to summarize here an argument against transclusion that I previously made at Wikipedia_talk:What_is_a_featured_article#Size. I suggest that any good encyclopedia article synthesizes information into a cohesive whole, and that a good article should be greater than the sum of its parts. Assembling any article from generic pieces that are used elsewhere eliminates the opportunity to tailor the writing to the specific topic at hand, and precludes the creation of a cohesive article that flows well and is stylistically consistent. Using the old "forest and the trees" analogy, a transcluded article simply shows all the trees standing next to each other, and misses the opportunity to show the forest by synthesizing the pieces into a cohesive whole.
In this specific case, it is easy to see how a single cricket match should be written about differently in any number of articles it might be referenced in (forgive my ignorance of cricket that is about to become apparent :) ). A single match would best be written differently from the perspective of an article on the winning team, the losing team, the tournament / season, a single player who achieves a career best, another for whom it is his final match, et cetera. This argues against a single block of text being useful for multiple applications. Perhaps more importantly though, it eliminates the chance to put each game into context with the others, so that it feels like reading a series of newspaper clippings arranged chronologically, rather than an encyclopedia article discussing the season as a whole. The opportunity for integration is what is lacking, and it is sorely missed (and will be moreso as the article grows to cover the entire season). - Bryan is Bantman 16:58, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
So if I've understood the conversation above properly, the current situation is:
Is that about the size of it? -- Phil | Talk 06:53, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
I found one of these subpages while using Special:Randompage. If I hadn't seen the discussion here before, I could have felt tempted to add a category tag, or remove the section heading, or even worse (think of how pretty a cleanup tag would look there). This way of editing can be really confusing for a random editor. -- cesarb 00:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that a similar attempt at transcluding an article together has been made at Benelux (composite page), which has received a highly negative response on its VfD page: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Benelux (composite page). - Bryan is Bantman 23:46, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
There was also a similar attempt on a number of astrology-related pages a while back. The pages that are currently the articles Astrology and alchemy, Astrology and astronomy and Astrology and numerology were originally templates that were used to transclude identical sections into both of the articles they were about (ie, the first was in both astrology and alchemy). I changed them into stand-alone articles and replaced the transclusion with "see main article at" links instead, and the responses I got on the talk pages were appreciative. Bryan 19:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This debate appears to have died out without a particularly clear consensus. I'm going to start going through the cricket match articles in the next few days and moving them to non-subpage titles, I'm thinking that since I'll be updating the articles that transclude them anyway I'll change the transclusions into links. Any further comments or input? Bryan 02:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK. As it is evidently not allowed to transclude prose into different bits of an article, I think it's time for us cricket-and-transclusion-fans to concede a point. I think that, since it is so rare that we make edits to the actual match reports (most of them have had 3 - the write-up, and then two categorisations), and most of those edits are done when we add the match report to the composite article, we can use {{subst:}} to add the content instead - and move the "part-articles" out of the main namespace, where they don't really belong (as they are too insignificant on their own).
This would, when submitted, add the entire content of the subpage to the article, so that the net result is nigh-on identical to what we originally did, but it is a) more friendly to new editors, b) it allows changes to one article without editing the other (so that we can give a bit of info on one club's season that isn't relevant to the other club's, for example), c) it doesn't eat resources and d) it doesn't AFAIK violate any WP policies. The disadvantage is that whenever we do an edit (correcting a link or a detail), we need to put it into four different pages, so I was wondering whether we could keep the header link? That means that we as editors can go to the "What links here" page and find the pages we need to change immediately, instead of having to dig through all the different fortnight, club and league pages. I realise that it is confusing (as the link doesn't actually go anywhere), but is there a way of making a link unnoticeable to readers but still able to show up on What links here? Sam Vimes 2 July 2005 07:26 (UTC)
I disagree with you here. Customs and practices have developed to deal with the vast majority of articles as they are. But they should not be interpreted as though they are a hard and fast law. There is a general principle of " Ignore all rules". That doesn't mean ride roughshod over customs and practices and literally ignore all rules, but it does mean that we shouldn't see "rules" as being rock-ribbed. They are bendable and some rules can be ignored in certain circumstances if the case is right.
In the case of the 2005 English cricket season it is quite obvious that transclusion is entirely beneficial and that the whole series of articles would take considerably longer to put together if we did not use it. The benefits of transclusion far outweigh the disadvantages. So we should use it. It's commonsense really. It should be a slam dunk.
Of course, in other cases the costs of transclusion may outweigh the benefits - and in those cases (which are probably the overwhelming majority) - we shouldn't use it. Again, it is commonsense - a straightforward cost-benefit analysis.
As far as "compromise" is concerned - I really suggest that on a case-by-case basis the costs and benefits are weighed up, and a decision then made based on where scales end up, jguk 2 July 2005 08:10 (UTC)
Have a look at the Sustainable energy article for another attempt to use transclusion to add article content. See also Talk:Sustainable energy. Andrewa 23:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia talk:Template namespace#Transclusion within the article namespace. Andrewa 23:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I've encountered a few situations where it would be useful to transclude the contents of one section of one page into another. Will this ever be possible? - Omegatron 23:31, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
(archived here from village pump Hiding talk 14:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
Is there a policy on using transclusion within the article namespace?
This question comes from the latest edits to sustainable energy, until recently a redirect to renewable energy.
My immediate reaction was that this use of transclusion should be banned from the article namespace, but I'm wondering, are there times when it would be useful?
So my questions:
1. Is there any relevant policy that I've missed?
2. Are there instances where similar transclusion is working well?
3. Are there potential ways in which transclusion could work well (assuming a "no" to question 2)?
4. What should the policy be (assuming a "no" to question 1)?
Any help with this particular article would also be appreciated, it's a bit of a mess at present IMO but it could be worse and I'm trying to avoid it becoming an edit war. Andrewa 21:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The general principle is that we are here to compile an encyclopaedia. Usually there is no need for transclusion of text to help us achieve this goal - but there is not and should not be an absolute ban. In the very rare instances where transclusion does help this goal, we use it, jguk 22:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be problematic having specific guidelines - the real one is to just use commonsense, although I admit some people do have difficulties applying it sometimes! :) Any guidelines are bound to contain bits that some will try to interpret too rigidly. Also, I don't see this as being a real problem - when articles use transclusion inappropriately, they tend to get reverted fairly quickly, jguk 17:32, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Transclusion might be useful and justified for verb conjugations as well: I am currently battling with the formatting on French and Catalan conjugations. Interwiki links should be absent from pages to be transcluded, otherwise the target article will have multiple links. Physchim62 19:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
When this discussion dies down, and get's archived, would someone(maybe the archiver...) mind copying or linking it to [Wikipedia:Transclusion costs and benefits]]. That way, when this comes up again, we will have a nice list of previous discussion. Thanks! JesseW 08:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
The Human Development Index ( HDI) is a standard UN measure/ rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.
Thus, the following question is put to a vote:
Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template:
YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here
Thanks!
E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
There were lots of pages with lots of overlapping content about how to use templates. I consolidated it all on this page, but didn't have time to stitch it together neatly. So I tagged this page for cleanup, because it needs to be edited for coherence and to reduce repetition. -- Beland 04:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
There seems to some erm "discussion" [4] about useing templates to reduce the clutter that infoboxes produce in articles and it seems that every few days someone spots a "new" one and puts it up for TFD, given the lack of any guidance in this article I propse adding the following to the list of uses:
Of course if people don't agree this then the following:
So Clutter reduceing templates for/against/don't care:
ElvisThePrince 11:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I suggest adoption of a standard that all parameter names be lowercase. Template parameter names are sensitive to usage of upper and lower case. This means a template user has to know the proper case for a template. Related templates sometimes have parameters with different case. In addition to difficulty learning proper template usage, this causes difficulties when editing requires a change between two templates (until a consolidation began, {{ web_reference}} variants had conflicting parameter case usage). In addition, using uppercase leads to CamelCase variants. Wikipedia prefers names with lowercase except when necessary, and I suggest that as parameter names are not visible in articles that they be entirely lowercase. ( SEWilco 19:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
Along with usage of lowercase parameter names, I suggest that abbreviations and acronyms in parameter names also be in lowercase. For example, a parameter for a URL is used in some templates. A paramater should use the lowercase name "url". The URL often contains "HTTP" in lowercase, so users of such a parameter are already familiar with using lowercase exceptions to grammatical casing rules. ( SEWilco 19:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
I have commented out the following:
E.g.
Wikipedia template search for regnum
searches the Template and Template talk namespaces for "regnum".
However, this does not work if the search term exists as a pagename in any namespace!
where Search templates is an actual level 2 heading, so as not to mess up this table of contents.
I have a feeling this might be possible, but I am not sure if this belongs here. If it does, it needs to be wikified. x42bn6 Talk 02:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Are user templates allowed on the template namespace? Or should they stick to the user namespace? x42bn6 Talk 02:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Occasionally it happens that a user doesn't like the style of some template or another. He'll attempt to modify it, but will generally get reverted. Sometimes the ensuing talk page discussions lead to a compromise. Sometimes they don't. If the latter, it often happens that the editor who made the initial change creates a fork of the template, using his preferred style, and starts using it in articles. (Sometimes there's no discussion, no attempt to change the original template.) Examples of this include {{ spoiler 2}} and {{ album infobox 2}}, both currently on TfD.
Since templates exist mainly to standardize the presentation of certain pieces of information across a wide swathe of articles, this behavior defeats their purpose. Not only that: if one editor can create and use a template fork with his preferred style, what's to stop the next user who doesn't like either of the variations from doing the same? Or the user after him? This way lies madness.
Should this page actively discourage this kind of template forking? There's no other guideline on it, as far as I can tell.
(There are, of course, legitimate variant templates: the various numberings of Template:Babel, for example, or {{ user}} and {{ vandal}}, which are similar but have different intended uses. These need not be discouraged.)
— Charles P. (Mirv) 17:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
So I've got this large chunk (~2KB) of HTML code that I need to stick in an article. It looks like this:
I thought it might be nice to create a template with this code in it, so I wouldn't have to clutter up the article with something that will probably never get edited. I know it's not what templates are designed for, but do we have a policy that says I shouldn't do this? The table could potentially be included in more than one article (but probably not). I'm asking first so as to avoid a TFD. -- Fropuff 06:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Are templates under the GNU FDL? If so, do you only have to reference them in the template namespace, for example, in another wiki if they are modified? Or do you have to mention that they are dervived from Wikipedia in every use? Donbas 10:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm curious - is there a way a template can be used to set a 'template' format for a table that might be used across different pages but the table would be a list which might have an uncertain number of entries? IE: A template that sets a table with the heading row that titles columns, and then takes inputs for the contents of each row of the table for an undefined number of rows, or would I have to make a template for the header and outer brackets and then have a seperate template for a single row and keep repeating that template? Do you think that would be more efficient than just having a location to copy a formatted table code and just skipping templates entirely? TheHYPO 16:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember where, but I do recall reading that Documentation should go on a subpage which was then transcluded (like so: {{ /Doc}}). Has anyone else heard about this? -- Swift 20:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
;-)
). The reason I asked was that I think there was some good reason behind the subpage-solution.Above, at Wikipedia_talk:Template_namespace#User_templates, a user asked if a template for their use (presumed only) should be in the template space or in user space. The response was user space. I agree this is how it should be handled, but the project page of this talk page does not address this case. This has come up at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_29#Template:Fir0002. I'm thinking we should add some text to this project page to clearly cover this case. Something along the lines of, "If the template you want to create can only be used by you, you should create it in your user space instead. For example, you would make calls to the template with {{User:JohnDoe/Foo}} as opposed to {{Foo}}". Thoughts? -- Durin 13:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
From the project page, "Please list any custom messages you create on this page." Just where does that mean? I'm about to give one a try, butI do not see such a list. DGG 02:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I can hardly believe it, but there is a potential dispute brewing with Template:Sathya Sai Baba regarding the matter of separating followers and opponents. For the record I created the template and I object to the separation under the grounds that such a distinction is not needed at the present time, especially since a large number of the included articles are stub/start-class and have little content and to impose a large and unsightly template on those articles would be detrimental to the article layout. If and when more SSB-related articles are created and added to the template then we can think about separating or creating further distinctions, but not for now. This is how it is intended to look.
Other editors suggest that the separation is necessary in order to "provide clear, concise information and not to serve to confuse the reader by mixing up the information" (see edit summary), but I fail to see how this can be possible when both followers and opponents are grouped under the heading "Followers and opponents" which makes it perfectly clear that both are being displayed.
Perhaps there are similar disputes revolving around similar templates. Is this the correct place to ask for opinions on how templates like these should be constructed? Is there a template-relevant Manual of Style we can consult? Regards, Ekantik talk 16:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, you can take a look at:
So you can see all entries in all of our templates. Directly:
Greeting, from Germany de:Benutzer:Kolossos 20:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody take a look at the {{ LGBT sidebar}} template and determine why, unlike most infoboxes, text isn't wrapping around it? Per Woody's (Toronto), article text is continuing through the infobox in some cases, but it is wrapping correctly on other articles (e.g. gay bathhouse). Bearcat 01:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I came across Template:List LDS Temple USA West while reviewing Idaho related articles. I couldn't figure out why all this information was in the article on Idaho Falls Idaho Temple. Then I find it is a template being used in many individual temple articles. There are other similar templates in other region's temples. I have several problems with this template:
Templates should also not be used to create lists of links to other articles when a category or a See also list can perform the same function.
If this has been discussed before and the template OK'd, I will drop it. I am a fool for templates and user boxes, so it is not that I object to all such objects. There is no discussion on the template page and I am not stirring up a hornet's nest by myself. Yes! That's me.
I seek guidance in the best (if any) way to proceed. -- Robbie Giles 03:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we have a problem. Edward Tufte would not be amused.-- Knulclunk 03:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just read this "Template namespace" article, following a link from "Tip of the day". It says (in "Introduction") "Templates should also not be used to cite sources. See WP:CITE#TT and primary source transcluded templates TfD.". Both the "see" links in that sentence are dead, and surely the opening statement is not true - usage of {{cite}} is surely now the preferred way to cite sources? Does this page need an update, or have I misunderstood? PamD 07:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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The Patroon System |
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People of New Netherland |
Flushing Remonstrance |
This is a good solution: collapsible tables. If you want to edit a template, go to template:name, where name is the name of the template. For example, if you want to edit {{New Netherland}}, go to Template:New Netherland. It is a good example of use of a collapsible table. Erudecorp ? 06:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
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Whenever possible (if there are few permutations.), use an image instead of a template. Altering an image doesn't cause the subsequent pages to be remade. Erudecorp ? 20:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
The template {{ WikiProject Canada}} has a gap below it, both in its full form (as here) and in its nested form (as here). Some users have tried to fix it, but to no avail. Can someone please figure out what's wrong with it? Thank you. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a problem with some templates in the Queen article, and I'm not experienced enough with templates to figure out what it is. The {{Queen}} and inter-wiki FA templates after the "External links" section are showing up as links or not at all rather than being transcluded. There doesn't seem to be a problem with other articles that include the Queen template (see Bohemian Rhapsody for example). I've gone back to previous versions of the Queen article and it appears that the problem is long-standing.
Any ideas? ... discospinster talk 17:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The alignment of {{MLBAllStarGame}} is centered. I'd like to "align right" this template in a particular article. Is there some syntax I can use to over-ride the alignment of the template? Kingturtle ( talk) 18:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)