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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of Abkhazia-related articles, what a misleading name for a full purge of hundreds of other-topic index pages. Is this type of mass deletion of scores of unrelated and perfectly good and maintained articles allowed under such a name, and is this a record-setting deletion request? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Per the closer: "The result was no consensus. With the varying opinions on how to handle these pages—from deleting them all, keeping them all, keep the ones a certain editor is working on, keep the ones that are maintained, merge them all into the related outline pages, etc.—we've got ourselves an unmanageable WP:TRAINWRECK. Editors may want to consider other options in spirit of WP:ATD; perhaps smaller bundled or individual nominations where necessary. These indices are not absent of issues as pointed out in the discussion, but this mass nomination can not adequately address them." 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:57, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
The archiving and posting of the results of discussions should be complete and accurate.
A recent edit was
bowdlerizing
expurgating mischaracterizing
misrepresenting the comments of the closer and would likely mislead the casual reader.
- List of United States cities by area No consensus Per the closer: "Per the closer: {I was very close to closing this AfD with consensus to delete, due to notability concerns per WP:NLIST. The article itself contains no references to sources that discuss the topic of US cities and their areas, and why the area delineated by their borders is relevant or significant. The vast majority of this discussion didn't focus on finding or identifying sources that could be used to demonstrate the notability of this topic, which is, of course, required in order for any article to exist. However, towards the very bottom of the discussion, User:Newimpartial made a good faith effort to find a few sources. While these sources are somewhat tenuous in my opinion, I believe that they are just far enough over the line to cast doubt on whether this topic is non-notable, and push this discussion into "no consensus" territory. My advice for the editors working on this article would be to expand your search for sources that discuss the grouping of US cities by land area and include them in the article. Otherwise, this article will be at risk of being nominated for deletion again in a couple months' time (which, if it happens, should focus on a deeper analysis of the available sources to demonstrate notability)."
- List of the largest counties in the United States by area Per the closer: "The result was no consensus. Views are split between keep, merge and delete and I find it unlikely an agreement is going to happen."
- List of Canadian provinces and territories by area REDIRECTED Per the closer: The result was redirect to Provinces and territories of Canada.
I corrected the record. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Bowdlerizing"?? How about "summarizing" as a less WP:BITEY description please?
- The claim about the summaries being misleading is ridiculous, since you usually summarise "no consensus" results as "kept". Regards,
MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Didn't identify you. Nice of you to acknowledge your part. Whataboutism. Regards. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
I have only been back on the project for less than 24 hours, but I am already getting threats and PAs. Strange that nothing has changed. I think when I left Andrew was at ANI, possibly 7&6 as well, and I came back 6 months later - deja vu - Andrew is at ANI and 7&6 is at ARBCOM. I want to say that I notice the great work you all are doing. I also see that you picked up some exemplary editors. I miss editing with you all and I can't wait to whip an article into shape with you. Lightburst ( talk) 19:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Congratulations to the WP:ARS (in a way)
Two deletions initiated by one of our contributors.
Same two improved by two of our members.
Two nominations withdrawn by the same ARS contributor.
here and
there.
Proving that
WP:Before should really be the first order of business. And be sure to look at the deletion history of the articles before nominating.
Notability is not temporary.
Notability does not evaporate.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 16:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do appreciate editors who withdraw nominations, those who will update their analysis based on new information. I wish more AfD nominators would do that.
CT55555 (
talk) 23:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Or update based upon old information. The sources and the artile's history all existed before this fiasco. The only thing new was the improvement's to the article. Hopefully, lessons will be learned and internalized.
- The ' Epiphany' followed the intervention of two WP:ARS contributors. Thus proving the worth of this project. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 16:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
After the ANI Massacre a few years ago, this group hasn't been the same. It got hollowed out, sadly, I think it's fair to say it was a major loss for Wikipedia. Many articles that might have been worked on and improved over the past few years have instead been quietly deleted.
Likewise, after I recently posted a case here, I got accused of canvassing, and I think it threw the AfD toward a deletion. Even though only 1 person from ARS got involved, it's a weak point.
IMO the real strength of this group has been researching sources and improving articles. I would like to make posts here that basically say in effect please help improve the article because it's under imminent threat, but please do not participate in the AfD because it causes too much trouble with the community.
Such requests can be voluntary. It only requires the co-operation of readers here to also voluntarily not get involved in the AfD. Only the original poster asking for help can get involved in the AfD. It would be an "AfD-Free" posting. -- Green C 17:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
| This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list page. |
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2,
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| Article Rescue Squadron | |||
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| This project page was previously nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. The list of prior nominations is kept at Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron. |
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of Abkhazia-related articles, what a misleading name for a full purge of hundreds of other-topic index pages. Is this type of mass deletion of scores of unrelated and perfectly good and maintained articles allowed under such a name, and is this a record-setting deletion request? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Per the closer: "The result was no consensus. With the varying opinions on how to handle these pages—from deleting them all, keeping them all, keep the ones a certain editor is working on, keep the ones that are maintained, merge them all into the related outline pages, etc.—we've got ourselves an unmanageable WP:TRAINWRECK. Editors may want to consider other options in spirit of WP:ATD; perhaps smaller bundled or individual nominations where necessary. These indices are not absent of issues as pointed out in the discussion, but this mass nomination can not adequately address them." 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:57, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
The archiving and posting of the results of discussions should be complete and accurate.
A recent edit was
bowdlerizing
expurgating mischaracterizing
misrepresenting the comments of the closer and would likely mislead the casual reader.
- List of United States cities by area No consensus Per the closer: "Per the closer: {I was very close to closing this AfD with consensus to delete, due to notability concerns per WP:NLIST. The article itself contains no references to sources that discuss the topic of US cities and their areas, and why the area delineated by their borders is relevant or significant. The vast majority of this discussion didn't focus on finding or identifying sources that could be used to demonstrate the notability of this topic, which is, of course, required in order for any article to exist. However, towards the very bottom of the discussion, User:Newimpartial made a good faith effort to find a few sources. While these sources are somewhat tenuous in my opinion, I believe that they are just far enough over the line to cast doubt on whether this topic is non-notable, and push this discussion into "no consensus" territory. My advice for the editors working on this article would be to expand your search for sources that discuss the grouping of US cities by land area and include them in the article. Otherwise, this article will be at risk of being nominated for deletion again in a couple months' time (which, if it happens, should focus on a deeper analysis of the available sources to demonstrate notability)."
- List of the largest counties in the United States by area Per the closer: "The result was no consensus. Views are split between keep, merge and delete and I find it unlikely an agreement is going to happen."
- List of Canadian provinces and territories by area REDIRECTED Per the closer: The result was redirect to Provinces and territories of Canada.
I corrected the record. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Bowdlerizing"?? How about "summarizing" as a less WP:BITEY description please?
- The claim about the summaries being misleading is ridiculous, since you usually summarise "no consensus" results as "kept". Regards,
MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Didn't identify you. Nice of you to acknowledge your part. Whataboutism. Regards. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
I have only been back on the project for less than 24 hours, but I am already getting threats and PAs. Strange that nothing has changed. I think when I left Andrew was at ANI, possibly 7&6 as well, and I came back 6 months later - deja vu - Andrew is at ANI and 7&6 is at ARBCOM. I want to say that I notice the great work you all are doing. I also see that you picked up some exemplary editors. I miss editing with you all and I can't wait to whip an article into shape with you. Lightburst ( talk) 19:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Congratulations to the WP:ARS (in a way)
Two deletions initiated by one of our contributors.
Same two improved by two of our members.
Two nominations withdrawn by the same ARS contributor.
here and
there.
Proving that
WP:Before should really be the first order of business. And be sure to look at the deletion history of the articles before nominating.
Notability is not temporary.
Notability does not evaporate.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 16:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do appreciate editors who withdraw nominations, those who will update their analysis based on new information. I wish more AfD nominators would do that.
CT55555 (
talk) 23:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Or update based upon old information. The sources and the artile's history all existed before this fiasco. The only thing new was the improvement's to the article. Hopefully, lessons will be learned and internalized.
- The ' Epiphany' followed the intervention of two WP:ARS contributors. Thus proving the worth of this project. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 16:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
After the ANI Massacre a few years ago, this group hasn't been the same. It got hollowed out, sadly, I think it's fair to say it was a major loss for Wikipedia. Many articles that might have been worked on and improved over the past few years have instead been quietly deleted.
Likewise, after I recently posted a case here, I got accused of canvassing, and I think it threw the AfD toward a deletion. Even though only 1 person from ARS got involved, it's a weak point.
IMO the real strength of this group has been researching sources and improving articles. I would like to make posts here that basically say in effect please help improve the article because it's under imminent threat, but please do not participate in the AfD because it causes too much trouble with the community.
Such requests can be voluntary. It only requires the co-operation of readers here to also voluntarily not get involved in the AfD. Only the original poster asking for help can get involved in the AfD. It would be an "AfD-Free" posting. -- Green C 17:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)