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The title of this page. It's really condescending and undignified. If I were young I would feel insulted by the implicit presumption that I'm an idiot. We need to decide. If this is addressed to youngsters we should say so and not try to talk down to them, some derivative of "Guideline for young editors". If this is for everyone it should be something like "Do not make things up."
Two earlier proposed moves failed, but that was last year when Wikipedia didn't have such an issue with credibility. Also, this was an essay then and the arguments against were based on that. Wikidemo 12:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't really around for the last discussion on the name, but from what I can see it got sidetracked and then fizzled out. However, some good points were raised, and I tend to agree that the name could be improved. I'd suggest "Wikipedia is not for things which you and your friends made up one day" along the lines of Jaysweet's suggestion. I think it has two advantages over the current title: first it's less likely to be read as patronising towards younger editors; and secondly it makes clear that it applies to things which were made up outside of school as well. I've seen it applied (hell, I've done it myself once or twice) at AfDs to articles along the lines of "This is a game invented by Joe Bloggs and me in the car park after work last summer" and while such articles certainly fit the spirit of the guideline, it's on the whole rather incongruous, and possibly insulting, to direct their creators to it. If the name is changed, the exact wording of the guideline would need a bit of changing as well, but that's easily done. Iain99 Balderdash and piffle 20:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
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What's with the "one day"? Confusion. Couldn't this helpful page just be called Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 08:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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I like "one day". Better ring, better rhythm, and it almost sets a scene. "Things made up", full stop, sounds abrupt and awkward to me. Originally, I believe this page was called "Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day". In a way, I liked that even more, as it had a very nice spoken-word ring, but I suppose it was too limiting. So "Wikipedia is not for things made up one day" is my favorite. I'm baffled that it could be confusing. How? Bishonen | tålk 16:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC).
Could someone maybe explain to me what is meant here by postmodern debate: “Verifiability isn't up for postmodern debate; it's a standard criterion.”? Thanks in advance! Gzhegozh talk 08:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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The title of this page. It's really condescending and undignified. If I were young I would feel insulted by the implicit presumption that I'm an idiot. We need to decide. If this is addressed to youngsters we should say so and not try to talk down to them, some derivative of "Guideline for young editors". If this is for everyone it should be something like "Do not make things up."
Two earlier proposed moves failed, but that was last year when Wikipedia didn't have such an issue with credibility. Also, this was an essay then and the arguments against were based on that. Wikidemo 12:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't really around for the last discussion on the name, but from what I can see it got sidetracked and then fizzled out. However, some good points were raised, and I tend to agree that the name could be improved. I'd suggest "Wikipedia is not for things which you and your friends made up one day" along the lines of Jaysweet's suggestion. I think it has two advantages over the current title: first it's less likely to be read as patronising towards younger editors; and secondly it makes clear that it applies to things which were made up outside of school as well. I've seen it applied (hell, I've done it myself once or twice) at AfDs to articles along the lines of "This is a game invented by Joe Bloggs and me in the car park after work last summer" and while such articles certainly fit the spirit of the guideline, it's on the whole rather incongruous, and possibly insulting, to direct their creators to it. If the name is changed, the exact wording of the guideline would need a bit of changing as well, but that's easily done. Iain99 Balderdash and piffle 20:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:INVENTED. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 28#Wikipedia:INVENTED until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
What's with the "one day"? Confusion. Couldn't this helpful page just be called Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 08:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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I like "one day". Better ring, better rhythm, and it almost sets a scene. "Things made up", full stop, sounds abrupt and awkward to me. Originally, I believe this page was called "Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day". In a way, I liked that even more, as it had a very nice spoken-word ring, but I suppose it was too limiting. So "Wikipedia is not for things made up one day" is my favorite. I'm baffled that it could be confusing. How? Bishonen | tålk 16:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC).
Could someone maybe explain to me what is meant here by postmodern debate: “Verifiability isn't up for postmodern debate; it's a standard criterion.”? Thanks in advance! Gzhegozh talk 08:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)