This project page co-ordinates activities to improve articles and images related to research and curated by the Toodyay Museums.
Toodyaypedia is a WikiTown
QRpedia project based around
Toodyay, Western Australia. The project is a collaborative project between,
Shire of Toodyay, Toodyay Historical Society and
Wikimedia Australia the Toodyay Museums are working to add authoritative content to Wikipedia and to encourage other organisations in Western Australia to do the same.
The goal is to share Toodyay related information and stories with the world along with information about its people and places.
WikiTown/Toodyaypedia is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of
Australia and
Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the
project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles
(as suggested by
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage II worksheet) which says by its uses of {{
cite journal|journal=Toodyaypedia}} that Toodyaypedia is a journal written by Robyn Taylor and published by the
Shire of Toodyay. This is consistent with the story in the
April 2015 Toodyay Herald (page 12) which says that "Robyn has been commissioned by the Shire to write draft profiles ..."
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia says that "Toodyaypedia is a WikiTown
QRpedia project", and
QRpedia is defined as "a ... system which uses QR codes to deliver Wikipedia articles". This is consistent with the Shire's
2013-1014 Annual Report (various pages - search for "Toodyaypedia") which says (for example, p5) that "Under this project volunteers enter heritage and historical information on Toodyay’s buildings in Wikipedia."
The problem is that Wikipedia articles are using Toodyaypedia articles as references, but based on
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia the casual reader could easily think that Wikipedia was referring to itself, in violation of
WP:CIRCULAR.
I'm not questioning Taylor's credentials, or the use of her work as a reliable source, but I suggest that:
Taylor is a
subject-matter expert writing new material that is being published by the Shire, thus satisfying the requirements of
WP:RS,
WP:SOURCE.
The Shire's project is (also) called Toodyaypedia.
References in articles to the journal/series Toodyaypedia should link to the relevant section of
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia to explain the connection, eg:
@
Mitch Ames: Thanks! How did you find it? And do you think it's okay to use those coordinates? (Seems fine to me, but maybe I'm not correct.)
SamWilson 11:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The
Everett's Cottage article tells us where it is: "Situated in North St ... immediately behind the site of the former
Queen's Head Hotel". The Queen's Head does have coordinates, so it's easy to go there an have a look around with
Google Street View. (I know
OpenStreetMap is free, open, and philosophically a good thing, but Google still has its uses.)
Mitch Ames (
talk) 11:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless we have reason to believe that Street View is wrong (doesn't match the map / coords), I'd treat it as a reliable source. However, strictly speaking this is actually
WP:SYN. Google doesn't mark the building as Everett's Cottage, and I'm deducing the coords from two sources - the article for the approximate location and what the building looks like, and Street View - neither of which says "Everett's Cottage is at these coords". (But I wouldn't remove the coords on those grounds if they were added.)
Mitch Ames (
talk) 12:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Mitch Ames: Good points! Well, I've added its coords now. And it's now on OSM too:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-31.52271/116.42562 I've been adding a bunch of other OSM→Wikidata links too, so we can have building outlines on infobox maps. Let me know if you happen across any I've missed.
SamWilson 12:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
I notice that the coords do not appear on the article
Everett's Cottage. Should they appear there automagically? Would it help if Wikipedia and Wikidata agreed on the casing of "cottage"?
This project page co-ordinates activities to improve articles and images related to research and curated by the Toodyay Museums.
Toodyaypedia is a WikiTown
QRpedia project based around
Toodyay, Western Australia. The project is a collaborative project between,
Shire of Toodyay, Toodyay Historical Society and
Wikimedia Australia the Toodyay Museums are working to add authoritative content to Wikipedia and to encourage other organisations in Western Australia to do the same.
The goal is to share Toodyay related information and stories with the world along with information about its people and places.
WikiTown/Toodyaypedia is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of
Australia and
Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the
project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles
(as suggested by
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage II worksheet) which says by its uses of {{
cite journal|journal=Toodyaypedia}} that Toodyaypedia is a journal written by Robyn Taylor and published by the
Shire of Toodyay. This is consistent with the story in the
April 2015 Toodyay Herald (page 12) which says that "Robyn has been commissioned by the Shire to write draft profiles ..."
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia says that "Toodyaypedia is a WikiTown
QRpedia project", and
QRpedia is defined as "a ... system which uses QR codes to deliver Wikipedia articles". This is consistent with the Shire's
2013-1014 Annual Report (various pages - search for "Toodyaypedia") which says (for example, p5) that "Under this project volunteers enter heritage and historical information on Toodyay’s buildings in Wikipedia."
The problem is that Wikipedia articles are using Toodyaypedia articles as references, but based on
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia the casual reader could easily think that Wikipedia was referring to itself, in violation of
WP:CIRCULAR.
I'm not questioning Taylor's credentials, or the use of her work as a reliable source, but I suggest that:
Taylor is a
subject-matter expert writing new material that is being published by the Shire, thus satisfying the requirements of
WP:RS,
WP:SOURCE.
The Shire's project is (also) called Toodyaypedia.
References in articles to the journal/series Toodyaypedia should link to the relevant section of
WP:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia to explain the connection, eg:
@
Mitch Ames: Thanks! How did you find it? And do you think it's okay to use those coordinates? (Seems fine to me, but maybe I'm not correct.)
SamWilson 11:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The
Everett's Cottage article tells us where it is: "Situated in North St ... immediately behind the site of the former
Queen's Head Hotel". The Queen's Head does have coordinates, so it's easy to go there an have a look around with
Google Street View. (I know
OpenStreetMap is free, open, and philosophically a good thing, but Google still has its uses.)
Mitch Ames (
talk) 11:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless we have reason to believe that Street View is wrong (doesn't match the map / coords), I'd treat it as a reliable source. However, strictly speaking this is actually
WP:SYN. Google doesn't mark the building as Everett's Cottage, and I'm deducing the coords from two sources - the article for the approximate location and what the building looks like, and Street View - neither of which says "Everett's Cottage is at these coords". (But I wouldn't remove the coords on those grounds if they were added.)
Mitch Ames (
talk) 12:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Mitch Ames: Good points! Well, I've added its coords now. And it's now on OSM too:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-31.52271/116.42562 I've been adding a bunch of other OSM→Wikidata links too, so we can have building outlines on infobox maps. Let me know if you happen across any I've missed.
SamWilson 12:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
I notice that the coords do not appear on the article
Everett's Cottage. Should they appear there automagically? Would it help if Wikipedia and Wikidata agreed on the casing of "cottage"?
