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Can someone from Monmouthshire, or even Wales, take a look at Ty Gwyn, a disambiguation page which may need some cleanup or improvement.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what was iffy about that dab: I simply linked to already extant pages.
What we could use – if people here have the sources or time – would be even stub-length articles on the legends concerning the Ty Gwyn ar Dav parliament under Hywel Dda and the Ty Gwyn (monastery) led by Dewi Hen. We currently don't have either. — LlywelynII 11:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I find this band really catchy, so I dug up some reliable sources off gBooks and made a quick article on them. If anyone Welsh-speaking has a quick moment to translate a 3-line article, I'd appreciate it! Hopefully someone else likes punk music and would find this fun to add to cy.wiki. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 01:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Just curious. Does anyone have a source for Deputy First Minister of Wales? With such a source, we could move Deputy First Minister for Wales to Deputy First Minister of Wales. Thus matching with First Minister of Wales. -- GoodDay ( talk) 19:01, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've added 4 sources for the article-in-question. PS: It would be nice if we could have more input at that article's current RM. GoodDay ( talk) 12:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
It might be nice to have a Welsh-themed TFA on 1st March for a change... and I just happen to be one of the TFA delegates! Any ideas as to what we could use? Is Rhys ap Gruffydd up to scratch, for example? It passed FAC a long time ago and the primary author is long gone. Any other ideas spring to mind? If so, feel free to discuss here or - even better - make a nomination at WP:TFAR. If the instructions are a bit daunting, don't worry, let me know and I'll give you a hand. Diolch, Bencherlite Talk 21:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've noticed that The Welsh Wizard redirects to David Lloyd George, but I wonder if the term deserves disambiguation. As an American who follows the Premier League, to me Ryan Giggs and Gareth Bale are the Welsh Wizards. I tried googling the term, and the results are a bit inconclusive, although apparently Merlin counts too? What do you think? -- BDD ( talk) 21:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Since this is Wiki's home of all things leeky, I have to say this proposal will probably prompt some knee-jerk responses but kindly do hear me out, since I do think this is the best way forward.
A ap B or X ab Y is the English common name for almost all figures from Welsh history ( with the obvious exceptions). That's exactly what the articles should be named and those names should be included in the lead sentence. Even names from the era when they wrote filius, map, or whatever else... today, it's ap or ab when we talk about them.
While everyone here knows that those words mean "son of..." and are not last names but patronymics, many of our readers don't know that. Oddly, many of our editors don't know that: editing articles on Welsh royalty, it's not uncommon to see someone has filled out the {{ persondata}} with "NAME = Ap Llywelyn, Gruffydd" or even "NAME = FARFOG, TRIFFYN". Some proactive editors have begun adding notes to the lede sentence: things along the lines of "Gruffydd ap Llywelyn (English: 'Gruffydd, son of Llywelyn')". Aside from the ugliness (particulary to those of us already know what the word means), it misleadingly makes it look like that is the English form of the name whereas A ap B is already the proper English form these days.
If we did have to start the lead sentence with exactly the same name as the title, we would have to do it that way. But we do not have to start the sentence exactly that way: there are explicit exceptions to be made where it helps clarity and understanding. I think this is just such a case.
I propose we keep the pages exactly where they are and use X ab Y in running text and links but allow the style "A son of B ( Welsh: A ap B)" and "A the Epithet ( Welsh: A Ansoddair)" in the lead sentences of articles. We already do this with figures such as Rhodri the Great and it very clearly explains the meaning of the Welsh name and the fact that "ap B" is no surname at all and should not be handled as one. This would just permit us to use a similarly clean style to say, e.g., "Triffyn the Bearded (Welsh: Triffyn Farfog)" in the lead sentences of articles of less well-known figures, while keeping the title and other mentions as Triffyn Farfog.
(Obvious caveat: This applies to historic people before surnames became widespread in Wales. Obviously, more modern Welshfolk who are surnamed "ap Bethbynnag" shouldn't have that translated at all: it's simply their name—in a way quite unlike Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, whose name was simply "Gruffydd" but who was called the "son of Llywelyn" to distinguish him. That distinguishing nature btw means we should write X son of Y with no commas at all: it's a restrictive clause.)
So (deep breath)... thoughts? — LlywelynII 14:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, from my talk page, there is this:
Nevertheless, whether "X son of Y (Welsh: X ap Y)" looks better than "X ap Y (English:...)" is irrelevant. We should go with the sources...
— Daicaregos
I hope I made this clear above but (if not) his reasoning is confusing WP:COMMONNAME (regarding page titles, which always should be at the first place where people will search for them) with WP:LEADSENTENCE (regarding lead sentences, which are explicitly permitted to use exceptions in cases like this, where the meaning and use of ap is unclear to the average reader of the English Wikipedia.) — LlywelynII 15:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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Given that the membership here dislikes explaining the names in the form X son of Y (
Welsh: X ap Y), what is the preferred alternative?
— LlywelynII 13:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
The section Alternatives, above, is incomplete. The status quo is, of course, another possibility. Please note your preference below from these options – please add any comments to the following 'discussion' section.
A) The lead sentence to begin: “Ll ap C (xxxx–xxxx) was ...”
B) The lead sentence to begin: “Ll ap C (English: Ll son of C) (xxxx–xxxx) was ...”
C) Add a header ({{ welshname}}) saying (This is a Welsh name. It means X, son of Y.). Lead sentence per A) above.
D) A(n unspecified) change to the infobox only {{ infobox:welsh-bio}}. Lead sentence per A) above. (please add any detail if this is still proposed; delete if not)
Again, I think the hat notes are an interesting idea, but a gloss in the text is sufficient. In fact, it's likely better as not all of these articles use the patronymic. In any event, I hardly think this is something that needs to be enforced across all articles; the level of confusion simply isn't as great as it's being made out.
On another note, let's please take it down a notch. This minor issue isn't worth getting worked up about.-- Cúchullain t/ c 17:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't read the Welsh language and therefore find that an english-version being added, is helpful to me. I can't read the minds of other english-only readers, but can only assume the addition will help them aswell. GoodDay ( talk) 12:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
What does this mean? - "
I don't want to think Ghm is right that you're making this personal....." I've never said any such thing (assuming that by Ghm you mean me).
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Lloyd uses it so I assume it's not bogus, but Google is almost silent on the point: 7 (total) hits versus 300k for Aberffraw or Dinefwr. Anyone know any details about the place or what the modern Welsh form would be? Llys... something. — LlywelynII 10:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't seem to find any copy of the Brut y Saeson translated anywhere, even though various historians cite points from it that differ from the other chronicles. ( Rhodri Molwynog had a passage that wasn't clear, but I assume the Brut y Saeson isn't itself one of the Iolo forgeries, given its appearance in the Red Book &c. If it is a forgery, obviously translating it is unimportant and it'd be nice to have a notice put up on the new page.) I put up a page about it with links to three MSS. copies, but they're untranslated Welsh. I don't think it's very long, so if someone who can read Welsh has the time to just add a page a day to Wikisource, it'd be wonderful. — LlywelynII 17:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Weird. Google completely failed at this but then I just discovered a link to a translation buried in one of the Arch. Camb at an inappropriate place in one of someone's footnotes to a page on a random Welsh village. Hopefully, I'll be able to port it over to Wikisource over the next few days. — LlywelynII 22:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
It might interest the members of this project that the article Crachach is currently being discussed at WP:HD#Crachach article (Crachach). — Sebastian 00:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
After nearly a year of discussions with the National Library, National Museum of Wales, Cadw and the Royal Commission, the Welsh Language Wicipedia has just launched a Pilot which trials around 150 NLW images on a CC-BY-SA license. Should this be successful, then it's quite possible that more than 150,000 other images will follow. I've created a Template for the NLW image catalogue, and Fae has uploaded all 50 images using his bot, which you can find here. There's a bit of work on these images: adding onto relevant articles and categorising. Please feel free to spread the word! Can some one write a DYK, so that we can benefit from the number of clicks? We now await the other partners to follow suit. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 14:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
The National Library have just released all 1844 - 1910 Welsh and English language newspapers printed in Wales - totally out of copyright - in a digital format for our use! Take a look here. Brilliant stuff! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 21:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I have worked on expanding the Croesor Quarry article, and it is now fully referenced, apart from the short Current conditions section at the end. This appears to be two first-hand reports from explorers, which are unreferenced and are partially written like a guide book. I have added {Fact} tags and a {Manual} template to the section, explaining my reasoning on the talk page, but wondered if anyone had any advice on what to do. Apart from that, I think the article could now be assessed as B-class. Bob1960evens ( talk) 12:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed Skinsmoke is creating large numbers of Wales subcategories, to such a level that many have (and will only ever have) one item of content. For example I've already nominated Category:Bays of Cardiff and some others for deletion.
Surely there isn't an agreement here to categorise everything to the smallest geographical level? it seems to be counter-intuitive and contrary to the spirit of the guidance in WP:Overcategorization. Sionk ( talk) 11:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately there's a whole raft of village categories created for Denbighshire and other northern counties, with little more than the article about the village itself. I've spent a lot of time at WP:CFD and will leave it for someone else with an interest in north Wales to tidy things up if they so desire. Sionk ( talk) 21:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I recently re-did the Bodelwyddan page, and was wondering if people from the Wales Project would take a look over it? I don't think it's quite stub quality any longer? Korlus ( talk) 17:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there any template (similar to {{ NHLE}}) for citing sources like this one: " " "Bryn-yr-Hen-Bobl Chambered Tomb and Terrace". Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales. " ? And is this the best site to go to for authoritative info on Welsh standing stones etc? An editor is creating a lot of stubs, and is responsive to suggestions for improving them, but his sole source is one book, The Modern Antiquarian, and it would be useful to be able to add an authoritative External Link (as I did at Bryn yr Hen Bobl). Any thoughts? Pam D 19:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I have nominated John Dee for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 06:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Really good news about Wici Cymru: Barry Morgan the Archbishop of Wales has joined Rhys Ifans as Patrons. We also have received great news about the Welsh Government funding the training of new Wicipedian (and Wikipedian) editors along the Coast Path. Trainers will be needed, so please get yourselves accredited on the Wikimedia UK scheme as soon as possible. More info in the next few days. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 10:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Can I please draw your attention to a discussion on WMUK's Water Cooler. What triggered this discussion was that information (in this case regarding a Wikipedian in Residence at the National Library of Scotland) was only published on Wiki-en, disregarding the Scottish Gaelic and the Welsh language Wici, and others. As someone points out at the Water Cooler, WMUK have a responsibility for the indigenous languages of Britain as well as en, or change their name to Wikimedia England. The second reason for this discussion was my suggestion that the person employed as WiR should have some knowledge of Scottish Gaelic. Too much to ask, I fear! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 06:31, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Valid point which they should hear. You don't have to be a member of WMUK to contribute on the Water Cooler. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 05:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I have finally got round to doing something with the spreadsheet data from Cadw on the 4,186 Scheduled Monuments in Wales, and my plan is to generate lists covering all 22 principal areas. So far I have 'done properly' Blaenau Gwent and Bridgend. I can rapidly roll out the basic data, as shown for Caerphilly. The full 'list of lists' is shown at Scheduled Monuments in Wales, and you will see I have had to subdivide the counties with more than 250 entries. Any thoughts on the way I have proposed this would be welcome on the talk page, especially before I implement them! RobinLeicester ( talk) 00:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Wales for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot ( talk) 15:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I have created an article about Dr Thomas Bowles (1696–1773), an 18th-century English cleric whose churchwardens prosecuted him under ecclesiastical law for not being proficient in Welsh. The Cymmrodorion funded and publicised the prosecution as a test case. Would any fluent Welsh speaker like to add a Welsh language version of the article?
Dr Bowles once paid a Welsh speaker half a guinea to translate a sermon into Welsh. Please don't expect me to offer a reward!
Best wishes, Motacilla ( talk) 11:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Welsh law is a modern reality. It is also the term by which Cyfraith Hywel has been referred to by historians, prior to the Welsh Assembly's ability to pass national law. Wikipedia's article on laws passed by the Senedd is Contemporary Welsh Law. It begins “Contemporary Welsh Law is a term applied to the body of primary and secondary legislation generated by the National Assembly for Wales, according to devolved authority granted in the Government of Wales Act 2006.” Well yes, and no. The term is simply “Welsh law”. The word “contemporary” is redundant. My reason for posting here is to see how editors would suggest changes to the articles to reflect today's reality. Possibilities include:
Any suggestions or ideas welcome. Should we come to any agreement here, we can post on the article talk pages for an further comment. Daicaregos ( talk) 16:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi all. At last we have a Wikimedia UK Manager here at Wales, as published today on WMUK's home page. Keep a keen eye on the developments on this page, please, until I've set up a wikiproject. Llwybrau Byw! Living Paths! will need a few trainers - paid thanks to a Welsh Government grant! In the meentime can I also draw your attention to the Wikipedia (and Wicipedia!) Training Day in Monmouth on the 20th of this month. Details here. Hwyl! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 20:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm hoping I'm posting this question on the right Wikiproject page (other option seems to be Military History):
I've been going thru all of the various categories for Historians, and I was dismayed to discover that there is no Category:Historians of Wales -- only Category:Welsh historians, which was erroneously parented as a sub-category of Category:Historians of the British Isles along with Historians of England, Scotland and Cornwall. If there were just a handful of articles to look thru I would take care of this myself. But there are dozens of articles in Category:Welsh historians, many of which also belong in Category:Historians of Wales -- and of course, there may well be other non-Welsh historians who also belong in the Category. So I hope that a member of this Project will take on the task of creating and populating the missing category. Regards, Cgingold ( talk) 02:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
There has been some discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Settlements and civil parishes about the desirability of having an article about the total area for each parish/community, distinct from each village/settlement article. This would give an overview of settlements in the area, as well as local landscape, geology and geomorphology, nature reserves, scheduled monuments, archaeology, agriculture, land use, etc as appropriate, in a way that confuses things if a single article is trying to do both tasks. Some Welsh communities now have their own article, and some are presumed to be that because their principle settlement has the same name. This raises the question of how to disambiguate it. In England there are numerous 'placename (parish)' articles, and it is pretty clear this will refer to an area of land. Would the same be true of (for example) Moelfre (community)? (The List of communities in Wales does not have any examples that use this at present. The w:cy equivalent currently has 6 articles listed along the lines of Cadfarch (cymuned).) (Some places, of course, have town councils instead of community councils, although I notice, to pick a random example that Ammanford is described as 'a town and community'.) Can anyone on the ground comment on how a 'name (community)' formula would seem, and whether there is other established usage that would work better. RobinLeicester ( talk) 17:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
User:John has been systematically removing links to the Wales article from other articles (example here), on the grounds of " overlinking". My view is that this is a global encyclopedia, with many readers elsewhere in the world who will have little idea of where Wales is, or much about it - and so the links should remain. I've asked him to explain his reasoning here. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 20:21, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I dislike 'Wales' piped to 'Welsh' (
Welsh) but examination rather than elimination of those links is likely to be useful. My experience here is nearly limited to fantasy and children's writer biographies and book/series articles, where pipes to 'Welsh' and longer linknames that include the word are much more common than plain
Wales links. That experience suggests it will be useful for the project to examine all pages that include [[Wales|Welsh
and same with a space before or after the pipe. (If no one here knows to find those pages, some help service may be available, but I don't know it.) To check linkage of 'Welsh' in every article can be done without technical help and is likely to be worthwhile
Either Welsh language or Welsh people is likely to be a valuable replacement target and that will sometimes be true of Welsh literature (interesting on other grounds), Welsh mythology (where W folklore redirects), Welsh culture and Welsh geography (which redirect to X of Wales).
For "authentic Welsh background" that defines the English-language Tir na n-Og Award in children's and teen literature, one very particular case, I have linked Welsh background to Portal: Wales. It's evident that the committee interpretation of 'background' is not limited to the scope of any one W article. At the same time I have linked the award sponsor Welsh Books Council which provides a plain Wales link at one remove. [This is ongoing occasional work and the W links are not as a rule located in the lead or infobox.)
P.S. English Wikipedia is much bigger than its siblings and must have far more readers who are not native users of English. Does anyone here know how commonly other languages use 'Wales' and 'Welsh' as W names. That may be relevant to W links in general. In English we call the Germans German and the Dutch Dutch. Not everyone does and I doubt that these terms are high on the list of second-language teaching priorities. -- P64 ( talk) 21:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by Cadw. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?
In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in Wales, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?
Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by Cadw. These use pre formatted templates (eg Cadw header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.
The data still needs the attention of local editors:
For further information, please see Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom.
If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.
Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.
-- MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Today (9 September) the total uploaded images for each country on WLM are:
There are bits of Wales with gaps: everywhere apart from Ceredigion and Denbighshire! The Wales uploader is here, and you can upload more than 50 images at the time if you like! The data copies automatically, with only minor changes from image to image. I've also started tagging them to articles on cy. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 11:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks for the uploads!!! The final count is:
Now let's get them on Wiki! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 12:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Wales Coast Path#Sections 'for marketing purposes'. on whether we should have individual articles on the different sections of the Wales Coast Path, like this one. Comments welcome. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 10:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
At least two of Wales' largest establishments are refusing to free their photographic collections on a CC-BY-SA licence. Their reasoning is that they must show an income and secondly that all their content is on a "Crown Copyright" licence.
3 recent Freedom of Information Requests (FoIRs) asked for amounts of profit they had made by selling copies of these photos. I expected a profit of at least £30,00; these are the average amounts received in one year:
Two weeks ago they admitted: The commercial reuse (of our photographs) is a source of income for RCAHMW, and we may wish to levy a charge on such reuse by licensing it ourselves. Creative Commons license CC BY-SA would undermine this ability. FoIR February 2013
Income (before subtracting costs such as printing, admin etc): £3,900
Income (before subtracting costs such as printing, admin etc): £950 FoIR February 2013
These miniscule figures are the total income from resale of digitised photographs. Neither Cadw nor RC could give details of the costs involved in sourcing the images sold, printing, postage etc. It may well be that both are even making a loss! The average charges made of a single image (in both cases) is around £40; this means that Cadw only sold around 25 images in a whole year, and that may be to only one customer.
The first year Amgueddfa Cymru – National Museum Wales made a profit from the sale of images was in 2012 – 2013 with a profit of £1,201. I can confirm that all previous years we have not record any profits for the sale of images. FoIR September 2013
A Pilot project was started two years ago betwen RCAHMW, CADW, the National Museum and the National Library and Wicipedia Cymraeg to assertain the effect of placing 50 images from each of the 4 bodies on CC-BY-SA. Would the earth stop? By spring, RCAHMW and CADW had decided not to contribute! The National Library, however, has been breaking new ground as far as open content is concerned.
Their second reason for not placing these images in the public domain is that they are licenced on Crown Copyright. Crown Copyright allows a “delegation of authority” which would permit the images being free for both profit and non-profit use, but they are reluctant to use these powers. The people of Wales paid for these images over the years. The transparent, socialist Welsh Government we have, in my belief, wants them in the public domain and should now insist on that happening. These jewels have been locked up, hidden from view for too long.
It is my belief that hundreds of companies, businesses, academic bodies, publishers, television companies as well as non-profit communities - and Wikipedia - would use these locked-up resources (these hidden jewels) and in turn would develop new products and services that would help build up the Welsh economy. Images released on CC-BY-SA could be used to "sell" Wales on a world stage as a heritage tourism destination and used for inward investment – as well as informing the Welsh people themselves about their own heritage.
I estimate that we have 1,500 regular Wikipedians in Wales: let's get the images into the public domain as part of the Living Paths project! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear Wiki Project Wales.
We still have some places at the 2013 EduWiki conference in Cardiff, Wales.
The conference schedule is almost finalised
Wikimedia UK is delighted to be hosting this event in Wales and hope some local editors will sign up. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) ( talk) 15:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Sunday 13th October, 11am at Llandaff Cathedral - the Legal Service for Wales, attended by the new Lord Chief Justice, various leading judges with Welsh connections (all dressed in their finest), civic leaders, High Sheriffs, Lords Lieutenant etc etc. It might be a good opportunity, if anyone's around, to take some photographs of the procession. Bencherlite Talk 07:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Some additional thoughts here would be welcome. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:46, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmarthenshire Coast Path. Sionk ( talk) 10:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I have just created a page for Nantclwyd Hall, a listed building and home to lawn tennis in the UK. I would be pleased to see some of you expand this page. Please write on my talkpage if you can help. I won't be watching this talkpage. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
The Second Cardiff Meetup announcement has just been made. Details are available here where you can sign up. It will coincide with the EduWiki Conference. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 17:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
In case anyone's interested, User:Brough87 has been removing Argentina from the infobox of the Welsh language article on the grounds that "Welsh is not native to Argentina". Should you wish to weigh in, please do so here. garik ( talk) 00:37, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on what has happened to the River Usk page? After some edits by Verbcatcher it is now unavailable, a particular technical error I've never encountered on WP before. Geopersona ( talk) 05:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm fairly new here. Could I ask, is there any policy or guideline on linking equivalent articles in English and Welsh Wikis or helping to expand one or the other by translating content? I only ask because I'm expanding Crymych in Wikipedia and looked at Crymych in Wicipedia (though I don't speak Welsh - yet) and see it is different. Tony Holkham ( talk) 19:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Myself and FruitMonkey ( talk · contribs) have recently listed the article Arthur Gould (rugby union) – the 19th-century Welsh rugby players – at peer review. We're looking to take the article to FAC, and would appreciate any feedback. The review can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1. Cheers! - Shudde talk 10:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
English_exonyms#Wales. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
A heads up, please, for the Train the Trainers event in Cardiff, 1 - 2 February. The main English language page is here and if you prefer reading in Welsh then take a look at this page. Diolch yn fawr! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 14:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
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Can someone from Monmouthshire, or even Wales, take a look at Ty Gwyn, a disambiguation page which may need some cleanup or improvement.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what was iffy about that dab: I simply linked to already extant pages.
What we could use – if people here have the sources or time – would be even stub-length articles on the legends concerning the Ty Gwyn ar Dav parliament under Hywel Dda and the Ty Gwyn (monastery) led by Dewi Hen. We currently don't have either. — LlywelynII 11:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I find this band really catchy, so I dug up some reliable sources off gBooks and made a quick article on them. If anyone Welsh-speaking has a quick moment to translate a 3-line article, I'd appreciate it! Hopefully someone else likes punk music and would find this fun to add to cy.wiki. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 01:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Just curious. Does anyone have a source for Deputy First Minister of Wales? With such a source, we could move Deputy First Minister for Wales to Deputy First Minister of Wales. Thus matching with First Minister of Wales. -- GoodDay ( talk) 19:01, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've added 4 sources for the article-in-question. PS: It would be nice if we could have more input at that article's current RM. GoodDay ( talk) 12:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
It might be nice to have a Welsh-themed TFA on 1st March for a change... and I just happen to be one of the TFA delegates! Any ideas as to what we could use? Is Rhys ap Gruffydd up to scratch, for example? It passed FAC a long time ago and the primary author is long gone. Any other ideas spring to mind? If so, feel free to discuss here or - even better - make a nomination at WP:TFAR. If the instructions are a bit daunting, don't worry, let me know and I'll give you a hand. Diolch, Bencherlite Talk 21:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've noticed that The Welsh Wizard redirects to David Lloyd George, but I wonder if the term deserves disambiguation. As an American who follows the Premier League, to me Ryan Giggs and Gareth Bale are the Welsh Wizards. I tried googling the term, and the results are a bit inconclusive, although apparently Merlin counts too? What do you think? -- BDD ( talk) 21:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Since this is Wiki's home of all things leeky, I have to say this proposal will probably prompt some knee-jerk responses but kindly do hear me out, since I do think this is the best way forward.
A ap B or X ab Y is the English common name for almost all figures from Welsh history ( with the obvious exceptions). That's exactly what the articles should be named and those names should be included in the lead sentence. Even names from the era when they wrote filius, map, or whatever else... today, it's ap or ab when we talk about them.
While everyone here knows that those words mean "son of..." and are not last names but patronymics, many of our readers don't know that. Oddly, many of our editors don't know that: editing articles on Welsh royalty, it's not uncommon to see someone has filled out the {{ persondata}} with "NAME = Ap Llywelyn, Gruffydd" or even "NAME = FARFOG, TRIFFYN". Some proactive editors have begun adding notes to the lede sentence: things along the lines of "Gruffydd ap Llywelyn (English: 'Gruffydd, son of Llywelyn')". Aside from the ugliness (particulary to those of us already know what the word means), it misleadingly makes it look like that is the English form of the name whereas A ap B is already the proper English form these days.
If we did have to start the lead sentence with exactly the same name as the title, we would have to do it that way. But we do not have to start the sentence exactly that way: there are explicit exceptions to be made where it helps clarity and understanding. I think this is just such a case.
I propose we keep the pages exactly where they are and use X ab Y in running text and links but allow the style "A son of B ( Welsh: A ap B)" and "A the Epithet ( Welsh: A Ansoddair)" in the lead sentences of articles. We already do this with figures such as Rhodri the Great and it very clearly explains the meaning of the Welsh name and the fact that "ap B" is no surname at all and should not be handled as one. This would just permit us to use a similarly clean style to say, e.g., "Triffyn the Bearded (Welsh: Triffyn Farfog)" in the lead sentences of articles of less well-known figures, while keeping the title and other mentions as Triffyn Farfog.
(Obvious caveat: This applies to historic people before surnames became widespread in Wales. Obviously, more modern Welshfolk who are surnamed "ap Bethbynnag" shouldn't have that translated at all: it's simply their name—in a way quite unlike Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, whose name was simply "Gruffydd" but who was called the "son of Llywelyn" to distinguish him. That distinguishing nature btw means we should write X son of Y with no commas at all: it's a restrictive clause.)
So (deep breath)... thoughts? — LlywelynII 14:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, from my talk page, there is this:
Nevertheless, whether "X son of Y (Welsh: X ap Y)" looks better than "X ap Y (English:...)" is irrelevant. We should go with the sources...
— Daicaregos
I hope I made this clear above but (if not) his reasoning is confusing WP:COMMONNAME (regarding page titles, which always should be at the first place where people will search for them) with WP:LEADSENTENCE (regarding lead sentences, which are explicitly permitted to use exceptions in cases like this, where the meaning and use of ap is unclear to the average reader of the English Wikipedia.) — LlywelynII 15:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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Given that the membership here dislikes explaining the names in the form X son of Y (
Welsh: X ap Y), what is the preferred alternative?
— LlywelynII 13:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
The section Alternatives, above, is incomplete. The status quo is, of course, another possibility. Please note your preference below from these options – please add any comments to the following 'discussion' section.
A) The lead sentence to begin: “Ll ap C (xxxx–xxxx) was ...”
B) The lead sentence to begin: “Ll ap C (English: Ll son of C) (xxxx–xxxx) was ...”
C) Add a header ({{ welshname}}) saying (This is a Welsh name. It means X, son of Y.). Lead sentence per A) above.
D) A(n unspecified) change to the infobox only {{ infobox:welsh-bio}}. Lead sentence per A) above. (please add any detail if this is still proposed; delete if not)
Again, I think the hat notes are an interesting idea, but a gloss in the text is sufficient. In fact, it's likely better as not all of these articles use the patronymic. In any event, I hardly think this is something that needs to be enforced across all articles; the level of confusion simply isn't as great as it's being made out.
On another note, let's please take it down a notch. This minor issue isn't worth getting worked up about.-- Cúchullain t/ c 17:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't read the Welsh language and therefore find that an english-version being added, is helpful to me. I can't read the minds of other english-only readers, but can only assume the addition will help them aswell. GoodDay ( talk) 12:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
What does this mean? - "
I don't want to think Ghm is right that you're making this personal....." I've never said any such thing (assuming that by Ghm you mean me).
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Lloyd uses it so I assume it's not bogus, but Google is almost silent on the point: 7 (total) hits versus 300k for Aberffraw or Dinefwr. Anyone know any details about the place or what the modern Welsh form would be? Llys... something. — LlywelynII 10:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't seem to find any copy of the Brut y Saeson translated anywhere, even though various historians cite points from it that differ from the other chronicles. ( Rhodri Molwynog had a passage that wasn't clear, but I assume the Brut y Saeson isn't itself one of the Iolo forgeries, given its appearance in the Red Book &c. If it is a forgery, obviously translating it is unimportant and it'd be nice to have a notice put up on the new page.) I put up a page about it with links to three MSS. copies, but they're untranslated Welsh. I don't think it's very long, so if someone who can read Welsh has the time to just add a page a day to Wikisource, it'd be wonderful. — LlywelynII 17:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Weird. Google completely failed at this but then I just discovered a link to a translation buried in one of the Arch. Camb at an inappropriate place in one of someone's footnotes to a page on a random Welsh village. Hopefully, I'll be able to port it over to Wikisource over the next few days. — LlywelynII 22:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
It might interest the members of this project that the article Crachach is currently being discussed at WP:HD#Crachach article (Crachach). — Sebastian 00:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
After nearly a year of discussions with the National Library, National Museum of Wales, Cadw and the Royal Commission, the Welsh Language Wicipedia has just launched a Pilot which trials around 150 NLW images on a CC-BY-SA license. Should this be successful, then it's quite possible that more than 150,000 other images will follow. I've created a Template for the NLW image catalogue, and Fae has uploaded all 50 images using his bot, which you can find here. There's a bit of work on these images: adding onto relevant articles and categorising. Please feel free to spread the word! Can some one write a DYK, so that we can benefit from the number of clicks? We now await the other partners to follow suit. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 14:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
The National Library have just released all 1844 - 1910 Welsh and English language newspapers printed in Wales - totally out of copyright - in a digital format for our use! Take a look here. Brilliant stuff! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 21:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I have worked on expanding the Croesor Quarry article, and it is now fully referenced, apart from the short Current conditions section at the end. This appears to be two first-hand reports from explorers, which are unreferenced and are partially written like a guide book. I have added {Fact} tags and a {Manual} template to the section, explaining my reasoning on the talk page, but wondered if anyone had any advice on what to do. Apart from that, I think the article could now be assessed as B-class. Bob1960evens ( talk) 12:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed Skinsmoke is creating large numbers of Wales subcategories, to such a level that many have (and will only ever have) one item of content. For example I've already nominated Category:Bays of Cardiff and some others for deletion.
Surely there isn't an agreement here to categorise everything to the smallest geographical level? it seems to be counter-intuitive and contrary to the spirit of the guidance in WP:Overcategorization. Sionk ( talk) 11:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately there's a whole raft of village categories created for Denbighshire and other northern counties, with little more than the article about the village itself. I've spent a lot of time at WP:CFD and will leave it for someone else with an interest in north Wales to tidy things up if they so desire. Sionk ( talk) 21:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I recently re-did the Bodelwyddan page, and was wondering if people from the Wales Project would take a look over it? I don't think it's quite stub quality any longer? Korlus ( talk) 17:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there any template (similar to {{ NHLE}}) for citing sources like this one: " " "Bryn-yr-Hen-Bobl Chambered Tomb and Terrace". Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales. " ? And is this the best site to go to for authoritative info on Welsh standing stones etc? An editor is creating a lot of stubs, and is responsive to suggestions for improving them, but his sole source is one book, The Modern Antiquarian, and it would be useful to be able to add an authoritative External Link (as I did at Bryn yr Hen Bobl). Any thoughts? Pam D 19:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I have nominated John Dee for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 06:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Really good news about Wici Cymru: Barry Morgan the Archbishop of Wales has joined Rhys Ifans as Patrons. We also have received great news about the Welsh Government funding the training of new Wicipedian (and Wikipedian) editors along the Coast Path. Trainers will be needed, so please get yourselves accredited on the Wikimedia UK scheme as soon as possible. More info in the next few days. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 10:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Can I please draw your attention to a discussion on WMUK's Water Cooler. What triggered this discussion was that information (in this case regarding a Wikipedian in Residence at the National Library of Scotland) was only published on Wiki-en, disregarding the Scottish Gaelic and the Welsh language Wici, and others. As someone points out at the Water Cooler, WMUK have a responsibility for the indigenous languages of Britain as well as en, or change their name to Wikimedia England. The second reason for this discussion was my suggestion that the person employed as WiR should have some knowledge of Scottish Gaelic. Too much to ask, I fear! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 06:31, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Valid point which they should hear. You don't have to be a member of WMUK to contribute on the Water Cooler. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 05:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I have finally got round to doing something with the spreadsheet data from Cadw on the 4,186 Scheduled Monuments in Wales, and my plan is to generate lists covering all 22 principal areas. So far I have 'done properly' Blaenau Gwent and Bridgend. I can rapidly roll out the basic data, as shown for Caerphilly. The full 'list of lists' is shown at Scheduled Monuments in Wales, and you will see I have had to subdivide the counties with more than 250 entries. Any thoughts on the way I have proposed this would be welcome on the talk page, especially before I implement them! RobinLeicester ( talk) 00:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Wales for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot ( talk) 15:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I have created an article about Dr Thomas Bowles (1696–1773), an 18th-century English cleric whose churchwardens prosecuted him under ecclesiastical law for not being proficient in Welsh. The Cymmrodorion funded and publicised the prosecution as a test case. Would any fluent Welsh speaker like to add a Welsh language version of the article?
Dr Bowles once paid a Welsh speaker half a guinea to translate a sermon into Welsh. Please don't expect me to offer a reward!
Best wishes, Motacilla ( talk) 11:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Welsh law is a modern reality. It is also the term by which Cyfraith Hywel has been referred to by historians, prior to the Welsh Assembly's ability to pass national law. Wikipedia's article on laws passed by the Senedd is Contemporary Welsh Law. It begins “Contemporary Welsh Law is a term applied to the body of primary and secondary legislation generated by the National Assembly for Wales, according to devolved authority granted in the Government of Wales Act 2006.” Well yes, and no. The term is simply “Welsh law”. The word “contemporary” is redundant. My reason for posting here is to see how editors would suggest changes to the articles to reflect today's reality. Possibilities include:
Any suggestions or ideas welcome. Should we come to any agreement here, we can post on the article talk pages for an further comment. Daicaregos ( talk) 16:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi all. At last we have a Wikimedia UK Manager here at Wales, as published today on WMUK's home page. Keep a keen eye on the developments on this page, please, until I've set up a wikiproject. Llwybrau Byw! Living Paths! will need a few trainers - paid thanks to a Welsh Government grant! In the meentime can I also draw your attention to the Wikipedia (and Wicipedia!) Training Day in Monmouth on the 20th of this month. Details here. Hwyl! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 20:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm hoping I'm posting this question on the right Wikiproject page (other option seems to be Military History):
I've been going thru all of the various categories for Historians, and I was dismayed to discover that there is no Category:Historians of Wales -- only Category:Welsh historians, which was erroneously parented as a sub-category of Category:Historians of the British Isles along with Historians of England, Scotland and Cornwall. If there were just a handful of articles to look thru I would take care of this myself. But there are dozens of articles in Category:Welsh historians, many of which also belong in Category:Historians of Wales -- and of course, there may well be other non-Welsh historians who also belong in the Category. So I hope that a member of this Project will take on the task of creating and populating the missing category. Regards, Cgingold ( talk) 02:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
There has been some discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Settlements and civil parishes about the desirability of having an article about the total area for each parish/community, distinct from each village/settlement article. This would give an overview of settlements in the area, as well as local landscape, geology and geomorphology, nature reserves, scheduled monuments, archaeology, agriculture, land use, etc as appropriate, in a way that confuses things if a single article is trying to do both tasks. Some Welsh communities now have their own article, and some are presumed to be that because their principle settlement has the same name. This raises the question of how to disambiguate it. In England there are numerous 'placename (parish)' articles, and it is pretty clear this will refer to an area of land. Would the same be true of (for example) Moelfre (community)? (The List of communities in Wales does not have any examples that use this at present. The w:cy equivalent currently has 6 articles listed along the lines of Cadfarch (cymuned).) (Some places, of course, have town councils instead of community councils, although I notice, to pick a random example that Ammanford is described as 'a town and community'.) Can anyone on the ground comment on how a 'name (community)' formula would seem, and whether there is other established usage that would work better. RobinLeicester ( talk) 17:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
User:John has been systematically removing links to the Wales article from other articles (example here), on the grounds of " overlinking". My view is that this is a global encyclopedia, with many readers elsewhere in the world who will have little idea of where Wales is, or much about it - and so the links should remain. I've asked him to explain his reasoning here. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 20:21, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I dislike 'Wales' piped to 'Welsh' (
Welsh) but examination rather than elimination of those links is likely to be useful. My experience here is nearly limited to fantasy and children's writer biographies and book/series articles, where pipes to 'Welsh' and longer linknames that include the word are much more common than plain
Wales links. That experience suggests it will be useful for the project to examine all pages that include [[Wales|Welsh
and same with a space before or after the pipe. (If no one here knows to find those pages, some help service may be available, but I don't know it.) To check linkage of 'Welsh' in every article can be done without technical help and is likely to be worthwhile
Either Welsh language or Welsh people is likely to be a valuable replacement target and that will sometimes be true of Welsh literature (interesting on other grounds), Welsh mythology (where W folklore redirects), Welsh culture and Welsh geography (which redirect to X of Wales).
For "authentic Welsh background" that defines the English-language Tir na n-Og Award in children's and teen literature, one very particular case, I have linked Welsh background to Portal: Wales. It's evident that the committee interpretation of 'background' is not limited to the scope of any one W article. At the same time I have linked the award sponsor Welsh Books Council which provides a plain Wales link at one remove. [This is ongoing occasional work and the W links are not as a rule located in the lead or infobox.)
P.S. English Wikipedia is much bigger than its siblings and must have far more readers who are not native users of English. Does anyone here know how commonly other languages use 'Wales' and 'Welsh' as W names. That may be relevant to W links in general. In English we call the Germans German and the Dutch Dutch. Not everyone does and I doubt that these terms are high on the list of second-language teaching priorities. -- P64 ( talk) 21:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by Cadw. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?
In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in Wales, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?
Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by Cadw. These use pre formatted templates (eg Cadw header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.
The data still needs the attention of local editors:
For further information, please see Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom.
If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.
Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.
-- MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Today (9 September) the total uploaded images for each country on WLM are:
There are bits of Wales with gaps: everywhere apart from Ceredigion and Denbighshire! The Wales uploader is here, and you can upload more than 50 images at the time if you like! The data copies automatically, with only minor changes from image to image. I've also started tagging them to articles on cy. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 11:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks for the uploads!!! The final count is:
Now let's get them on Wiki! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 12:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Wales Coast Path#Sections 'for marketing purposes'. on whether we should have individual articles on the different sections of the Wales Coast Path, like this one. Comments welcome. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 10:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
At least two of Wales' largest establishments are refusing to free their photographic collections on a CC-BY-SA licence. Their reasoning is that they must show an income and secondly that all their content is on a "Crown Copyright" licence.
3 recent Freedom of Information Requests (FoIRs) asked for amounts of profit they had made by selling copies of these photos. I expected a profit of at least £30,00; these are the average amounts received in one year:
Two weeks ago they admitted: The commercial reuse (of our photographs) is a source of income for RCAHMW, and we may wish to levy a charge on such reuse by licensing it ourselves. Creative Commons license CC BY-SA would undermine this ability. FoIR February 2013
Income (before subtracting costs such as printing, admin etc): £3,900
Income (before subtracting costs such as printing, admin etc): £950 FoIR February 2013
These miniscule figures are the total income from resale of digitised photographs. Neither Cadw nor RC could give details of the costs involved in sourcing the images sold, printing, postage etc. It may well be that both are even making a loss! The average charges made of a single image (in both cases) is around £40; this means that Cadw only sold around 25 images in a whole year, and that may be to only one customer.
The first year Amgueddfa Cymru – National Museum Wales made a profit from the sale of images was in 2012 – 2013 with a profit of £1,201. I can confirm that all previous years we have not record any profits for the sale of images. FoIR September 2013
A Pilot project was started two years ago betwen RCAHMW, CADW, the National Museum and the National Library and Wicipedia Cymraeg to assertain the effect of placing 50 images from each of the 4 bodies on CC-BY-SA. Would the earth stop? By spring, RCAHMW and CADW had decided not to contribute! The National Library, however, has been breaking new ground as far as open content is concerned.
Their second reason for not placing these images in the public domain is that they are licenced on Crown Copyright. Crown Copyright allows a “delegation of authority” which would permit the images being free for both profit and non-profit use, but they are reluctant to use these powers. The people of Wales paid for these images over the years. The transparent, socialist Welsh Government we have, in my belief, wants them in the public domain and should now insist on that happening. These jewels have been locked up, hidden from view for too long.
It is my belief that hundreds of companies, businesses, academic bodies, publishers, television companies as well as non-profit communities - and Wikipedia - would use these locked-up resources (these hidden jewels) and in turn would develop new products and services that would help build up the Welsh economy. Images released on CC-BY-SA could be used to "sell" Wales on a world stage as a heritage tourism destination and used for inward investment – as well as informing the Welsh people themselves about their own heritage.
I estimate that we have 1,500 regular Wikipedians in Wales: let's get the images into the public domain as part of the Living Paths project! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear Wiki Project Wales.
We still have some places at the 2013 EduWiki conference in Cardiff, Wales.
The conference schedule is almost finalised
Wikimedia UK is delighted to be hosting this event in Wales and hope some local editors will sign up. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) ( talk) 15:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Sunday 13th October, 11am at Llandaff Cathedral - the Legal Service for Wales, attended by the new Lord Chief Justice, various leading judges with Welsh connections (all dressed in their finest), civic leaders, High Sheriffs, Lords Lieutenant etc etc. It might be a good opportunity, if anyone's around, to take some photographs of the procession. Bencherlite Talk 07:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Some additional thoughts here would be welcome. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:46, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmarthenshire Coast Path. Sionk ( talk) 10:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I have just created a page for Nantclwyd Hall, a listed building and home to lawn tennis in the UK. I would be pleased to see some of you expand this page. Please write on my talkpage if you can help. I won't be watching this talkpage. Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 02:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
The Second Cardiff Meetup announcement has just been made. Details are available here where you can sign up. It will coincide with the EduWiki Conference. Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 17:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
In case anyone's interested, User:Brough87 has been removing Argentina from the infobox of the Welsh language article on the grounds that "Welsh is not native to Argentina". Should you wish to weigh in, please do so here. garik ( talk) 00:37, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on what has happened to the River Usk page? After some edits by Verbcatcher it is now unavailable, a particular technical error I've never encountered on WP before. Geopersona ( talk) 05:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm fairly new here. Could I ask, is there any policy or guideline on linking equivalent articles in English and Welsh Wikis or helping to expand one or the other by translating content? I only ask because I'm expanding Crymych in Wikipedia and looked at Crymych in Wicipedia (though I don't speak Welsh - yet) and see it is different. Tony Holkham ( talk) 19:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Myself and FruitMonkey ( talk · contribs) have recently listed the article Arthur Gould (rugby union) – the 19th-century Welsh rugby players – at peer review. We're looking to take the article to FAC, and would appreciate any feedback. The review can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1. Cheers! - Shudde talk 10:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
English_exonyms#Wales. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
A heads up, please, for the Train the Trainers event in Cardiff, 1 - 2 February. The main English language page is here and if you prefer reading in Welsh then take a look at this page. Diolch yn fawr! Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 14:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)