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I recently stumbled upon this taskforce while proposing a WikiProject with the same scope. I am interested in reviving this project and reorganizing it in hopes of making it more active. To start, I would like to propose that the name of this task force be changed from pro gaming to eSports or Electronic Sports as this seems to be a more common term these days. —Entropy ( talk) 23:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
A question, as a follower of the League of Legends scene, where would I find guidelines for criteria or creating articles about LoL teams/players?(although, I have found that quite a few teams already exist from careers in other games) Blake ( Talk· Edits) 20:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
While I might agree that articles like MOBA may fall under the scope as being a particular genre of game, or particular game, suited to eSports, I'm not sure it should be within the scope of the task force. I have reverted an edit to MOBA for this reason.
I would suggest that the scope be limited to players, teams, and competitions. That keeps the task force scoped directly to the eSports portion of things. -- Izno ( talk) 13:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Get too broad, and you miss the point of having a task force dedicated to a topic.
Casters I would include, naturally, and did not mean to disinclude them.
I still don't think it would be necessary to tag the video games much less their genres. But take this with a grain of salt. -- Izno ( talk) 12:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Click the pie chart at the right to see the number of articles with each rating within the scope of our task force is shown at the right. Because of the high number of start- and stub-class articles, I think a priority should be getting these articles to at least C-status. —Entropy ( talk) 07:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I've
proposed a comprehensive cleanup of
WP:VG's inactive task forces (which would include redirecting all task force talk pages, including this one), if you'll take a look czar
♔
01:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This page has served as a redirect to the main WikiProject's talk page for two an a half years. I would like to suggest for it to become active once again. This is not necessarily because I think it will be particularly active, but simply because I think a separate space to discuss esports is downright 'needed'. There are a lot of questions related to esports specifically, such as dealing with tournament tables and rankings, notability of teams and players, specific types of images, etc. Just today, this edit was made. Seeing as there are currently many more reliable sources discussing esports, I think we can finally do some catch-up. Of course, there is still sadly very little interest in the subject here on Wikipedia, for various reasons. Dealing with this may be difficult, but let's see where we'll go from here. ~ Mable ( chat) 20:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
How notable are tournament results in an article on some (bi)annual tournament. As we all know, articles like DreamHack and Evolution Championship Series are 90% tables describing the results of all the tournaments. This really isn't how it should be done on Wikipedia, I would think. When I created Community Effort Orlando, I kept my focus on prose and writing about what the event is really about. A while later, an editor added a set of tables with tournament results to the article. Is there any merit to this? Should our article on DreamHack be changed massively? I was wondering what everyone's opinion on this is. One of the things I liked about creating articles on specific Evo tournaments was that it allowed me to move the tables to the article on the specific event, where it feels much more undue. What would be the best practices here? ~ Mable ( chat) 20:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to keep this discussion separate from the one above, but I do think it would be a good idea to make a decision regarding this. You gave the example of F0rest above, who seems to have a huge table that includes every tournament win that can be sourced. Personally, I think a solution to this will come over time: as we create more articles on distinct tournaments, we can simply list any high ranking on tournaments that we have an article for. I mean, looking at F0rest's page, I think we could already do this. A better solution may be to just describe someone's tournament history in prose. I tried to do this when creating the article on Fuudo, but I noticed quickly that having table as well just really clarifies all the information beautifully. In Fuudo's case, because the table is so short, this seems like a good deal. In F0rest's case... Urgh, I just don't know >.> ~ Mable ( chat) 10:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Prisencolin, you added to the task list that we might need to standardize our date format (2016-01-01 vs January 1, 2016). Per the manual of style, both formats are allowed (though the Korean style isn't usually applied in prose). I don't think standardizing a date format project-wise is a good idea. This is partly because of the WP:DATERET guideline that says you shouldn't change an article's date format after it is set in a certain way, or else people will just start to argue. I also believe that it isn't really important to do so. I know I'm personally going to continue using Korean-style dates for all articles I write for personal reasons, and I'll just follow whatever citation-style is set when I work on established articles. I don't think it's a good idea to change that practice... ~ Mable ( chat) 10:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I figured I'd just post links to previous discussions at WP:VG or elsewhere:
Currently sponsors are listed in the infoboxes of esports organizations. This appears to be a convention that has been borrowed from esports wikis since there is no precedent for this on pages for conventional sports organizations. I don't think this information is particularly relevant, and I'm concerned it most of all acts as an advert for these sponsors which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Kaas ( talk) 09:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I've been working on creating some tables for a LoL player's career statistics here, but I'm not sure how to format the section. I've currently sectioned it based on leagues, worlds, and "other", but perhaps doing so with domestic/international might be better. It doesn't look neat either way, but I'm at a loss of what to do. Zupotachyon Ping me ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I saw a special esports issue of Power Unlimited in a local magazine store.Skimming through it, it has a lot of information about the esports scene around games like Hearthstone, Starcraft, Overwatch, and various other titles. It also has an article about major controversies in the esports world, a list of best-payed competitive gamers, etc. I found fairly little about the fighting game community, sadly, which is the main reason why I'm hesitant to pick it up. I'm not really interested in most of the games discussed in the issue and am very unlikely to ever use the book as a source myself. However, I'm willing to buy it if other people want to use it as a source. I'd be really happy to translate articles to English and help out with that. If some people are interested, I'll buy it and make some requested translations available - if nobody shows any interest, I'm just gonna let the offer pass me by. ~ Mable ( chat) 10:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I came across this wiki page and noticed that it is really lacking tournaments. It is missing at least 10 tournaments in the past 2 years that have had over 50 entrants and at least 5 that have had over 100. I had made edits but they were removed due to lack of source. My source was the tournament registration site called smash.gg but it was taken down due to being a primary source. Our eSport does not often receive articles from the list of credible sources. I wondered why articles would be needed to report simply the results in a table form. At any rate can this page please be marked as incomplete if nothing else. Maniac379 ( talk) 23:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this section really necessary? For the most part, the players aren't notable, and the list will continue to grow exponentially over time. Would a better alternative be limiting it to notable players (players with pages, i.e. Seagull and xQc with Dallas Fuel)? JTP ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Imaqtpie has had his article deleted twice due to notability. I am working on a new draft at Draft:Imaqtpie and have been putting a lot of effort into it. Please take a look at it to give suggestions on how it could be improved, I'd really like his article to survive this time. Derek M ( talk) 23:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
tl;dr
Question: are there specific notability requirements for this project?
Answer: Not really, use
WP:GNG, wherein reliable sources include
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Reliable_sources
Maarsch (
talk)
09:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I just had my first article tagged as not notable and tagged for deletion. This was about a non esport thing, but I have started a draft for a Starcraft II caster. I can't find specific notability requirements for casters/commentators and if I'm to launch this page I'd like to to survive. Can anyone point me in the right direction for dealing with Draft:Kevin van der Kooi. Maarsch ( talk) 13:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
So, I'm wondering if this is an American Lawyer show thing where I have to prove notability, if only on a technicality. Or whether this is something where, if it is this hard to prove notability, I should just accept he isn't and move on. Maarsch ( talk) 09:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
This page is a mess and need much cleanup and revision. I have been working to add the names and nationalities of players and I have also updated the Fortnite, LoL, and PUBG sections but this is just alot to do.
MrCheese76 ( talk) 20:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Should articles about Esports players be their real name, or their in game nickname? I have seen both used very commonly. Lxxl ( talk) 04:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Does a scan of Box Art from a video game fall under fair use? If so, what version should I use (NTSC, PAL, ect.)? Also, does a picture that someone else took of an esports player fall under fair use if I have the consent of the picture taker? Thanks! User:Noble5034 ( talk) 11:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I was looking through some past AfDs and ran across my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Vitality. In that AfD discussion, I pointed out that it's time for notability guidelines specific to esports for such things as teams and players. It looks like I'm not alone, looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rise Nation (2018) and some proposals in 2016 at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 130. Is there any interest in drafting notability guidelines that cover esports specifically? Raymie ( t • c) 08:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
it's time for notability guidelines specific to esports for such things as teams and playersWP:GNG is sufficient for these topics. We do not need to go down the path of WP:NSPORTS, which has caused a mess of BLP violations and trivial factoids. -- Izno ( talk) 16:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I recently stumbled upon this taskforce while proposing a WikiProject with the same scope. I am interested in reviving this project and reorganizing it in hopes of making it more active. To start, I would like to propose that the name of this task force be changed from pro gaming to eSports or Electronic Sports as this seems to be a more common term these days. —Entropy ( talk) 23:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
A question, as a follower of the League of Legends scene, where would I find guidelines for criteria or creating articles about LoL teams/players?(although, I have found that quite a few teams already exist from careers in other games) Blake ( Talk· Edits) 20:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
While I might agree that articles like MOBA may fall under the scope as being a particular genre of game, or particular game, suited to eSports, I'm not sure it should be within the scope of the task force. I have reverted an edit to MOBA for this reason.
I would suggest that the scope be limited to players, teams, and competitions. That keeps the task force scoped directly to the eSports portion of things. -- Izno ( talk) 13:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Get too broad, and you miss the point of having a task force dedicated to a topic.
Casters I would include, naturally, and did not mean to disinclude them.
I still don't think it would be necessary to tag the video games much less their genres. But take this with a grain of salt. -- Izno ( talk) 12:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Click the pie chart at the right to see the number of articles with each rating within the scope of our task force is shown at the right. Because of the high number of start- and stub-class articles, I think a priority should be getting these articles to at least C-status. —Entropy ( talk) 07:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I've
proposed a comprehensive cleanup of
WP:VG's inactive task forces (which would include redirecting all task force talk pages, including this one), if you'll take a look czar
♔
01:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This page has served as a redirect to the main WikiProject's talk page for two an a half years. I would like to suggest for it to become active once again. This is not necessarily because I think it will be particularly active, but simply because I think a separate space to discuss esports is downright 'needed'. There are a lot of questions related to esports specifically, such as dealing with tournament tables and rankings, notability of teams and players, specific types of images, etc. Just today, this edit was made. Seeing as there are currently many more reliable sources discussing esports, I think we can finally do some catch-up. Of course, there is still sadly very little interest in the subject here on Wikipedia, for various reasons. Dealing with this may be difficult, but let's see where we'll go from here. ~ Mable ( chat) 20:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
How notable are tournament results in an article on some (bi)annual tournament. As we all know, articles like DreamHack and Evolution Championship Series are 90% tables describing the results of all the tournaments. This really isn't how it should be done on Wikipedia, I would think. When I created Community Effort Orlando, I kept my focus on prose and writing about what the event is really about. A while later, an editor added a set of tables with tournament results to the article. Is there any merit to this? Should our article on DreamHack be changed massively? I was wondering what everyone's opinion on this is. One of the things I liked about creating articles on specific Evo tournaments was that it allowed me to move the tables to the article on the specific event, where it feels much more undue. What would be the best practices here? ~ Mable ( chat) 20:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to keep this discussion separate from the one above, but I do think it would be a good idea to make a decision regarding this. You gave the example of F0rest above, who seems to have a huge table that includes every tournament win that can be sourced. Personally, I think a solution to this will come over time: as we create more articles on distinct tournaments, we can simply list any high ranking on tournaments that we have an article for. I mean, looking at F0rest's page, I think we could already do this. A better solution may be to just describe someone's tournament history in prose. I tried to do this when creating the article on Fuudo, but I noticed quickly that having table as well just really clarifies all the information beautifully. In Fuudo's case, because the table is so short, this seems like a good deal. In F0rest's case... Urgh, I just don't know >.> ~ Mable ( chat) 10:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Prisencolin, you added to the task list that we might need to standardize our date format (2016-01-01 vs January 1, 2016). Per the manual of style, both formats are allowed (though the Korean style isn't usually applied in prose). I don't think standardizing a date format project-wise is a good idea. This is partly because of the WP:DATERET guideline that says you shouldn't change an article's date format after it is set in a certain way, or else people will just start to argue. I also believe that it isn't really important to do so. I know I'm personally going to continue using Korean-style dates for all articles I write for personal reasons, and I'll just follow whatever citation-style is set when I work on established articles. I don't think it's a good idea to change that practice... ~ Mable ( chat) 10:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I figured I'd just post links to previous discussions at WP:VG or elsewhere:
Currently sponsors are listed in the infoboxes of esports organizations. This appears to be a convention that has been borrowed from esports wikis since there is no precedent for this on pages for conventional sports organizations. I don't think this information is particularly relevant, and I'm concerned it most of all acts as an advert for these sponsors which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Kaas ( talk) 09:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I've been working on creating some tables for a LoL player's career statistics here, but I'm not sure how to format the section. I've currently sectioned it based on leagues, worlds, and "other", but perhaps doing so with domestic/international might be better. It doesn't look neat either way, but I'm at a loss of what to do. Zupotachyon Ping me ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I saw a special esports issue of Power Unlimited in a local magazine store.Skimming through it, it has a lot of information about the esports scene around games like Hearthstone, Starcraft, Overwatch, and various other titles. It also has an article about major controversies in the esports world, a list of best-payed competitive gamers, etc. I found fairly little about the fighting game community, sadly, which is the main reason why I'm hesitant to pick it up. I'm not really interested in most of the games discussed in the issue and am very unlikely to ever use the book as a source myself. However, I'm willing to buy it if other people want to use it as a source. I'd be really happy to translate articles to English and help out with that. If some people are interested, I'll buy it and make some requested translations available - if nobody shows any interest, I'm just gonna let the offer pass me by. ~ Mable ( chat) 10:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I came across this wiki page and noticed that it is really lacking tournaments. It is missing at least 10 tournaments in the past 2 years that have had over 50 entrants and at least 5 that have had over 100. I had made edits but they were removed due to lack of source. My source was the tournament registration site called smash.gg but it was taken down due to being a primary source. Our eSport does not often receive articles from the list of credible sources. I wondered why articles would be needed to report simply the results in a table form. At any rate can this page please be marked as incomplete if nothing else. Maniac379 ( talk) 23:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this section really necessary? For the most part, the players aren't notable, and the list will continue to grow exponentially over time. Would a better alternative be limiting it to notable players (players with pages, i.e. Seagull and xQc with Dallas Fuel)? JTP ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Imaqtpie has had his article deleted twice due to notability. I am working on a new draft at Draft:Imaqtpie and have been putting a lot of effort into it. Please take a look at it to give suggestions on how it could be improved, I'd really like his article to survive this time. Derek M ( talk) 23:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
tl;dr
Question: are there specific notability requirements for this project?
Answer: Not really, use
WP:GNG, wherein reliable sources include
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Reliable_sources
Maarsch (
talk)
09:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I just had my first article tagged as not notable and tagged for deletion. This was about a non esport thing, but I have started a draft for a Starcraft II caster. I can't find specific notability requirements for casters/commentators and if I'm to launch this page I'd like to to survive. Can anyone point me in the right direction for dealing with Draft:Kevin van der Kooi. Maarsch ( talk) 13:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
So, I'm wondering if this is an American Lawyer show thing where I have to prove notability, if only on a technicality. Or whether this is something where, if it is this hard to prove notability, I should just accept he isn't and move on. Maarsch ( talk) 09:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
This page is a mess and need much cleanup and revision. I have been working to add the names and nationalities of players and I have also updated the Fortnite, LoL, and PUBG sections but this is just alot to do.
MrCheese76 ( talk) 20:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Should articles about Esports players be their real name, or their in game nickname? I have seen both used very commonly. Lxxl ( talk) 04:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Does a scan of Box Art from a video game fall under fair use? If so, what version should I use (NTSC, PAL, ect.)? Also, does a picture that someone else took of an esports player fall under fair use if I have the consent of the picture taker? Thanks! User:Noble5034 ( talk) 11:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I was looking through some past AfDs and ran across my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Vitality. In that AfD discussion, I pointed out that it's time for notability guidelines specific to esports for such things as teams and players. It looks like I'm not alone, looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rise Nation (2018) and some proposals in 2016 at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 130. Is there any interest in drafting notability guidelines that cover esports specifically? Raymie ( t • c) 08:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
it's time for notability guidelines specific to esports for such things as teams and playersWP:GNG is sufficient for these topics. We do not need to go down the path of WP:NSPORTS, which has caused a mess of BLP violations and trivial factoids. -- Izno ( talk) 16:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)